The Time To Ditch Bernie Is Now

Headline in today's The Hill: Sanders: "Clinton Will Play Vital Role In Future Of The Democratic Party."

So, now that the lingering "will he, or won't he run in 2020" doubt is settled, it's time to put Bernie in a nostalgia basket and push on. Apparently, his run really was a well-scripted sheepdogging effort to herd lefties and Millennials into the Killary fold. Look at the wreckage left in the wake: shellshocked Bernie delegates, tossed aside by the DNC; betrayed and poorer supporters who, once again, drank the Cool-aid of hope and real change; Trumpism now rules the land; third party dreams dashed. I don't have any answers. All I know is: the demoralization is complete and the Democratic party is dead.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign306532-sanders-clinton-will-play-vit...

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for the correct link.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

be a democrat. Or progressive, or liberal.

Bernie is either in the air over the shark, or else he's already jumped it.

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. "There have been a few times this past week where all I wanted to do was curl up with a good book and our dogs and never leave the house again.

Though I hear Assange favors cats.

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Did you see the Ecuadorian embassy cat? (16 sec)

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

OLinda's picture

I had seen a picture, but not the video. So cute.

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kitty! Wonder whose idea the tie was? He looks like a cat to be respected...

I-m so happy

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either unisex attempt at fashion by Julian Assange, or he is going crazy, being cooped up so long, and fell into whimsical second childhood to cope. Her outfit was in honor of the Swedish official who visited this week to grill Assange on the "rape" charges he is facing. "Embassy Cat" is her temporary moniker and she has her own Twitter account and is promoting WikiLeaks on the website via for-sale items, like T-shirts emblazoned with her photo. She has quite a following, and write-ups in Time, RT and elsewhere. She was a gift from Julian's children, who visited him this summer.

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"Sophia"(wisdom) is my pick. Also 'Sophie" works as a calling name.

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He has a point, she won the popular vote. But that was mostly everyone trying to stop Trump. The most disliked candidate ever. If they give her a role, then we definitely need a new party.

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In 2015, the Clintonistas were saying to each other than they had "leverage" over Bernie.

A newly released email from WikiLeaks’ Podesta files shows top-level Clinton campaign members discussing the “leverage” that they have over Sanders to control how he spoke about Hillary Clinton during the primary race in May of last year, and another shows them scheduling Sanders’ endorsement of Clinton and planning how they’ll use it to rally the progressive vote in December of last year.

Although Caitlin interprets this as being proof that Bernie was pressured:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3680558/new-wikileaks-emails-suggest-bernie-san...

The truth is, we have no idea what that "leverage" consisted of, carrots or sticks.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Why in the world is this continued judas goatiing and/or sheepdogging of Progressives excusable? If he's that compromised then he needs to just quit now and go to that vacation home he and his wife recently bought. Or level with the people who can barely afford necessities let alone a vacattion home and ask for their support and get the neo-liberal's collective foot off his throat. REGARDLESS, lying to the 'left' and attempting to rehabilitate the Clinton name is not the way to end a career. This 'he's been threatened' is no defense. That is not our problem and should not become our proplem.

Of course he could be doing this of his own free will. In which case he really needs to go away. We can get by without him. He' not to be trusted.

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For whatever reason, I don't know why. I never said in my comment above that Bernie was to be trusted. In fact, if you look at my comments in this diary, you'll see I'm absolutely on the other side. I agree with you that he should step down or at least stop attempting to pretend he's fighting for some progressive something or other. I'm not defending him and never was. My assertion that Bernie was probably blackmailed is not about rehabilitating Sanders' reputation, and it never was. It's you that keeps putting it on that basis. I'm trying to get at the truth, using logic and evidence.

I disagree with you on this much: I don't believe this was a sheepdog operation from the beginning. I think Bernie started off sincere, and at some point, probably in June when he got that phone call from Obama, they showed him the leash they had on him, and pulled him in, thinking he could then serve as a useful sheepdog. Since June, he has absolutely been a sheepdog, no question. After he went to Obama, Biden, and Reid to no avail, he became part of the Clinton machine and started doing what he was told. Being appointed head of Outreach by Chuck Schumer basically underlines that: they might as well put a sign around his neck saying Official DNC Sheepdog--Do Not Pet Me, I'm Working. So OF COURSE we shouldn't follow him anywhere or listen to what he's saying! Not now.

Would it help if I said one thousand more times that it's really shitty what was done, not only to Progressives but to the entire American people, by first "crushing Bernie Sanders to paste" as the Podesta emails suggested they should do, and then trotting out a zombie version of his campaign to fool us with so we'd continue to funnel money, time, and faith into the Democratic Party that had just screwed us? You have no fucking idea how much I hate the Democratic party establishment at this point. I was tricked into coming back to them once (Howard Dean/John Kerry 2003-2010), believing they could be reformed. This time, I became a Dem again only to vote for Bernie, and always intended to become an independent again at the end, regardless. There's nothing that happened this cycle that has changed my mind about that. I did not vote Democratic in the general, and I'm leaving for good as soon as I find time to get down to the damned Superintendent of Elections.

Does that make my position clear? I'm not Bernie Sanders' PR firm. I *am* interested in how people like the Clinton machine control people, especially politicians, because that has some relevance for the long run. More generally, I'm interested in using logic and analysis of evidence to uncover the truth.

If anybody gives a shit what I think, this is what I think: we can't trust any DC politician, and we should listen to none of them, including Sanders.

Does that make my position clear?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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It's the same as it always was.

But, question:

It was my understanding that Bernie went to the Dems way back when to discuss his possible candidacy on the Democratic ticket. There was a negotiation at that time. Then, he switched his Party and began to organize.

Wasn't the arrangement made back then?

Surely, some understanding was worked out with the DNC, then. Hillary was already the presumed winner. The sheepdogging talk started before things got rolling. In an impartial way, I thought it was probably a good idea. I ignored his campaign until March 2016, when the Party started infighting.

Now, looking back, Sanders ideas sounded crazy and radical when he started. (The nation had shifted so far right.) I think that was the idea. He would be a fringe candidate with a utopian vision. And in the midst of it, it seemed like his fringe caught fire and took on a life of its own. He was supposed to drop out. It was a sure thing. Poor Markos thought so.

Did you ever get the idea that his popularity was completely unplanned?

I guess if that were true, it would have been in the emails.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

just to keep certain ideas alive in American politics. He didn't bank on the fact that America was this ready for his ideas, and would rally to him so powerfully. I think it took him a bit aback. However, I think he is a person of some integrity, and I think simply throwing the election to Hillary was a bridge too far for him. So he didn't drop out on March 15, and he kept going, with the idea of a contested convention.

I don't think Bernie signed on to be a sheepdog or run a false campaign. But I think he did probably assume that he, with only 3% of the country even knowing who he was, a guy who calls himself a socialist, a guy without much charisma, wouldn't be able to seriously challenge the behemoth that is the Clinton machine. If he had dropped out when they wanted him to and campaigned for her starting in April, I'd believe the whole thing was a sheepdog operation. The way it went, I think he was stuck between his sense of political duty to his supporters and the power structure that he didn't, really, want to be in a life-and-death struggle with.

Remember when some of Hill's people got irate at Bernie, saying "that wasn't in the agreement?"

They were pissed because he was actually, really, competing with her--something that I bet none of them--or him--imagined would be possible.

So, no, I don't think he was engaging in that campaign for the purpose of shepherding us into the Dems--I think he engaged in that campaign to make sure certain ideas didn't get flushed down the memory hole. And yes, I think he did (for the most part) run a real campaign against Hillary (the place where that fell down was his refusal to deal with election fraud). However, starting in June with the phone call from Obama, the trip to DC to meet with Obama, Biden, and Reid, he folded his operation and became a willing part of the Clinton machine. Since then it's been all sheepdog, all the way.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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You are thoughtful.

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post ANYWHERE accusing you of anything, let alone defending Sanders. I don't know where you came up with that.

It said that you didn't KNOW what they have on Sanders that allows them to put pressure on him. That is ALL your post says. And I answered THAT ONE POST, I didn't go looking up and down the thread to see if you posted anything else because there was no need. Because my point was STRICTLY SAYING that if he's going to pander for the Clinton creature because someone is holding something over his head IT IS TIME TO GO.

And if you've got anything that can be called 'evidence', real and provable evidence, that would explain his actions and sudden turn into Clinton's BFF, then please share it. All the rest of us have are guesses and speculation. And I don't care whether or not he started off trying to herd us into the veal pen, all that I know is that is all he's trying to do NOW.

Relax, no one accused you of ANYTHING.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

I am guessing we will never know but I would argue it doesn't matter. I live in Burlington and, in this moment, with what I have seen, I wouldn't even follow Bernie to the local coffee shop. Whether by design, intention or not, we were sold out and it will continue as long as we allow it.

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I hate to take the ice cubes outta your anti-Bernie Kool-Aid, but that home purchase was funded by the sale of Jane Sander's inherited family home in Maine.

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he got the money in some nefarious way. I'm just saying he has his, gotten however it was gotten, but now he needs to knock off the nonsense and quit telling those WHO DON'T HAVE THEIRS that the Clinton creature is an honest person and that she has a place in the American political scene. Now would be the perfect time to go on a vacation because he's become useless to the Progressives in the party, in the Green Party, and to Independents.

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from the article:

“I will admit, coming here tonight wasn't the easiest thing for me," Clinton said. "There have been a few times this past week where all I wanted to do was curl up with a good book and our dogs and never leave the house again."

I wonder if she realizes just how many millions of people there are the world over who would fervently endorse those sentiments? Following her devastating defeat in the 2016 presidential election, Hillary Clinton dropped from sight and was never seen in public again. Now there is a sentence I would truly have loved to read in her obit!

On the subject of Sanders, have to agree that he is looking more and more like a "Vichy Democrat" and less and less like a true champion of the common folk. Through his embrace of Democrats like Clinton, Obama and Schumer, Bernie is telling us in no uncertain terms that it's important to build an alliance between "progressives" like himself and the neoliberal Democratic Party establishment.

In other words, between one faction that wants to empower and improve the lives of ordinary citizens, and another dedicated to picking their pockets, depriving them of a meaningful voice, destroying their financial security, and generally selling them down the river.

Yeah, without a doubt, that should work. This is as clueless and insulting as someone in the 1850's saying the anti-slavery movement should make common cause with "enlightened" slave owners.

The basic reality is that on some issues, you really can't "split the difference." At some point, it's necessary for a moral person to draw a line in the sand, and say that you're either on one side or the other. Bernie is not, and really never has been, willing to do that. So sadly, he is basically useless. Time for anyone interested in really meaningful change to turn the page and move on.

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the same he made in Philly. Polite, but no real support for Her Highness. SAme ol' Bernie. "My candidacy brought millions of new voters to the polls - most of whom voted for Hillary." Well, he was right on the first half, polite on the second. We'll hear less (if anything) about Hillary from Bernie as Bernie 2.0 emerges at a venue near you.

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Poor Bernie, the neolib Dems blame him for their loss, and the progressives attack him for being a sheepdog. (a really, really bad one apparently)

Bernie has become some sort of political Rorschach test for the left.

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because supporting Hillary says a whole lot about a person. Doesn't say the person is bad, but does say that the person can be intimidated by entrenched political power or manipulated by boogeyman tactics.

As far as Bernie goes, he's one of those people, for whatever reason. I don't know his reasons, and it doesn't matter much. He won't lead us anywhere useful because he's incapable of revolutionary action and he's living in an era where corruption is so endemic and powerful that reform is basically impossible.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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In his case supporting Hillary might very well have been a manifestation of his sincere belief that Trump would be worse for working people than Clinton. You and I may disagree with him on that conclusion, but I haven't seen any evidence that he's insincere.
You believe revolutionary action is needed, and cannot come from within the Democratic Party, and I agree with that. Bernie does not, obviously.
As far as sheepdogging goes; that's in the eye of the beholder. The fact that Hill's people blame him for driving voters away from their candidate doesn't help his CV as a sheepdog. One could argue that if he was sheepdogging, he chased the sheep into Trump's field. One could; I won't.
I prefer actual evidence to supposition, so I'll wait and see if he's willing to get balls-deep in the Neoliberal slime to save the Democrats.

We'll see.

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Before even taking the Oath of Office, Trump has:

1. Ended the TPP, a trade deal Bernie was vehemently opposed to. Hill's private face would have implemented it, after Obama forced it through the lame duck session.
2. Ended the spectre of president Clinton starting WWlll with Russia, after declaring a Syrian fly-free zone.

Not a bad week's work, eh Bernie? W