Pneumonia or not pneumonia--that is the question (paraphrasing Mr. Shakespeare)
I am posting an article here by Nina Illingworth with the full knowledge that some may find this offensive. So, like the motion Picture Rating Board I rate this article NFTS (Not for thin-skinned).
Ms. Illingworth likes the F bomb as much as Henry Killinger liked dropping cluster bombs on Laos. But let that not detract from her story. I did write about the paradox of Hillary's pneumonia and her oh-so rapid recovery
From this article, the take-away messages are these:
Hillary can't even get her lies straight
She was irresponsible in not taking her physician's advice
If she truly had pneumonia, she got better faster than the speed of sound (cough, cough)
Viral or bacterial, you don't get in the face of a 5 year old exposing the innocent child to your infectious agents (one of which is most certainly infectious bullshit).
To paraphrase David Axelrod, "antibiotics can cure pneumonia--but can't cure bullshit". And this is exactly what the majority of the public believes about Clinton--that they can't believe anything about Clinton.
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Her rally today is 3:45 pm EDT in NC
I assume there will be video of her arriving. Maybe they will stream the rally live (althoght I doubt it b/c they never know when she will fade). I assume she has already left the oxygen tent this morning in Chappaqua.
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So I wonder...
...what her doctors are giving her to give her those bursts of energy and focus that she's been able to pull off over the past few months? You think maybe she's on meth?
I don't know if such stimulants would make the possibility of a seizure less likely or not, but they have surely been giving her something to help her cope with her failing body.
Of course, the problem with such 'fixes', they may be starting to have a negative accumulative effect, eh?
I'm beginning to think that she may be very seriously ill, possibly in a life-threatening way...
James Kroeger
Yeah. The fact that her personal doctor accompanied her
to the 9/11 ceremony is pretty telling. If it's as bad as a Michael Jackson scenario, she won't make it 6 more weeks without a public incident.
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The fabrication of reality is
The fabrication of reality is quite amazing.
Hillary recovered quickly because she was rehydrated, probably a IV fluid administered. That will do the trick. Her doctor stated she was rehydrated.
So Hillary has allergies, and bacterial pneumonia. She became dehydrated and fainted. Hillary was rehydrated and several hours later addressed the media
Her doctor did not state she was being administered stimulants.
I'm sorry, but at this point you'd still
believe anything her "doctors" say? The whole point of that article, and a good one by the way, was the fact that one lie after another has been told in a pretty transparent attempt to hide whatever the real problem may be. IF this isn't that big a deal, then why make it one? By lying about it they make it more unbelievable every day.
I still shake my head at how damned dumb her campaign has been. One lie after another and these people still think we'll believe anything they say? The lies are the problem here, not necessarily whatever illness she may have. But by hiding any health problems as they have, they've left themselves wide open for just this type of speculation.
And I hardly think her doctors would tell us if she was being given stimulants, why tell the truth now when lying comes so naturally for them?
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I am still shaking my head at
anyone who is taking them at their word, when they've demonstrably lied again and again and again.
And she has the full force of the media lying on her behalf
I can't even begin to guess at how many "news" reports I've read that described what occurred on 9/11 with Hillary as she attempted to enter the van as "she appeared to stumble". I'd guess 3/4 of the news reports I've read used those exact words.
Perhaps I just have a misunderstanding of the true meaning of the word stumble. I've always thought of it as what happens when your toe unexpectedly catches the uneven crack in the sidewalk. I suspect I could have been wrong all of these years. I really wonder what the media would have to see on video before using the terms , falling, face plant, collapsing, seizure, unconscious or crash and burn.
Media using the phrase "appeared to stumble" is just unbelievably insulting to anyone who watched that video. And a lot of people have watched those videos! Perhaps they are trying to connect with anyone who didn't see the video.
For those old enough to remember, it reminds me of the film clip used by Wild World of Sports years ago of the ski jumper crashing and burning and was described then as "The agony of defeat". Today's media would view that film clip and describe it as he "appeared unsteady on his landing". It's truly to the point you can't believe a damn thing that comes from Hillary Clinton or the media.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
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For those not old enough to remember...
[video:https://youtu.be/oXMAqSdYfS8]
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
Was the IV bag and apparatus available in the car
or at Chelsea's? I do not buy the dehydration excuse for one second. The specific causes and symptoms of dehydration would rule this out.
HRC denies that she fainted. However, fainting does not seem to be a symptom of bacterial pneumonia anyway, but none of the common symptoms have been claimed.
Bacterial pneumonia is contagious. What kind of judgement does it take to avoid hugging a young child when you allegedly have pneumonia?
Her doctor was not on the scene or at Chelsea's according to the campaign, so exactly what or how does she know about the treatment that HRC received?
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Kind of makes me think
Of those old scary movies where the mad scientist is experimenting, trying to find a way to make the monster he's created in his laboratory walk and talk.
Good article
Thanks for the link!
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
I just read the linked article
and found it to be a very good summary of the situation involving Clinton's health issues, examined from a very calm and rational perspective. I hope others here will read it also.
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That was not my take on the
That was not my take on the article.
I thought the article was purposely deceitful by the absence of known facts.
Hillary fainted from dehydration not Pneumonia, I think that is a key fact to purposely leave out. After Hillary was "rehydrated" she was fine.
I also read the predisposition to be biased against Hillary from the writing.
It comes down to this:
How do we know HRC campaign is lying? Their lips are moving.
If $hillary hadn't already corrupted any pretense of honesty, maybe we could believe at least a portion of what her campaign states as fact.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when we are afraid of the light.
--Plato
Nope
No one knows that is a fact. That is what you have been told is a fact.
the fact is Hillary was
the fact is Hillary was dehydrated, the facts are that fainting is consistant symptom of dehydration. The fact is Hillary was rehydrated. Fact is Hillary according to her doctor was fine after rehydration.
Facts are Hillary was being treated for the pneumonia 48 hours before the dehydration episode with antibiotics.
There is no evidence for any other cause of fainting
So yes it is a fact.
That's what you were told
so it's hearsay to you. In other words, you weren't there. So the only "fact" here is that you were told....something.
You must be new here
The facts are what the doctor
The facts are what the doctor released in a statement as to her health. The doctor has test results from which a factual conclusion can be made.
the doctor is highly regarded. I guess it is possible the doctor would falsify her diagnosis or lie to the public, but I find that very improbable.
It seems the more likely scenario is people would rather create a conspiracy theory than except the doctors findings based on tried and proved methods of testing as a factual diagnosis.
The doctor is complicit along with the rest of Team Clinton
She releases only what Hillary wants the news media to know, when she wants them to know it (or is forced to give them a somewhat credible story).
Up until Sunday it was "nothing to see here, she's perfectly healthy, move along".
Sunday she admitted that Ms. Clinton had been diagnosed with "pneumonia" on Friday and "advised" to rest (Ms. Clinton did nothing of the sort), and blamed Ms. Clinton's 9/11 collapse on becoming "overheated" (79 degrees, humidity in the 40s 12-20 mph breeze) and "dehydrated" (not exactly dehydration weather, but if she was stupid enough not to drink anything for hours beforehand, remotely possible). Note: despite sensational reports, Dr. Bardack was not in NYC and did not see or treat Ms. Clinton until after her return to Chappaqua.
Wednesday she admitted, for the first time, that Ms. Clinton had surgery in January to drain a serious ear infection. The "pneumonia" is "mild non-contagious bacterial" (oxymoron unless it was aspiration pneumonia), but Ms. Clinton is "recovering well with antibiotics and rest", and remains "healthy and fit to serve".
Uh-huh.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Then I conclude her campaign lied.
And I question as to why, because...
why lie if the truth is just so nothingburger?
I despise being lied to.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Because lying is what they DO. n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
It's like their first reaction to anything
is to lie. It is just so obvious, and yet, they stand there with their hair collectively gone up in a five-alarm-fire, telling me how nice all the flowers smell.
That TV appearance? When the camera zooms out, was it just me, or did anyone else feel like they could have been watching a Project: Runway segment?
Even lies about Kaine.
Hillary and her VP pick seem to have different recall of current events:
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-kaine-pneumonia-22...
Having a hellfight with that link
because I DO NOT have Flash installed. None of the "flash blocker" options do a damn thing to remove the obnoxious blocking box that DEMANDS that I install Adobe Flash.
Very disappointing and annoying.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Adobe flash is free, but get it from their website.
Some of the screen pop-ups asking you to download Flash player now are loaded with malware as I found out to my regret.
Also Flash is horribly buggy and a security risk
Firefox keeps having to disable it because of security holes, and Adobe is very very slow to fix them - some never have been fixed, if I recall correctly.
What's going on with the Politico link is apparently a badly coded webpage. (Most pages nowadays at least offer the option of running video under HTML5, but not that one!)
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Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/15/hillary-clinton-returns-...
I wonder
Who dared to ask that, and if they'll still be around tomorrow.
"Clinton was further asked what it might signify for their partnership that she had waited two days to tell Kaine of her pneumonia, to which she responded that she has been in recent communication with the Virginia senator but refused to go into further detail."
You certainly appear to be a gullible one
It must be difficult to obtain water when you're surrounded by secret service agents. You'd think with the numerous incidents of "dehydration" someone in her entourage would be responsible for carrying around a few bottles of water and having her drink some regularly so she wouldn't get dehydrated!
If I had one incident of dehydration as severe as some of "dehydration events", I'd never leave home without a couple bottles, just in case. The whole story is pure, unadulterated bullshit. You should get your bullshit detector serviced. It's obviously not calibrated correctly.
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The doctor could be precluded from saying anything more.
IANAL, but reading the government's website on health information privacy, two things leap out:
1. It would appear that the patient, HRC, could limit the medical information being disclosed to just that information she wants to disclose. And that would be all the doctor could talk about.
2. The law also instructs the doctor to provide "the minimum amount of protected health information needed" to address the issue. I take that to mean that there could be more to the story, but the doctor is advised to limit her media statement to the minimum that she believes necessary, and to omit anything else that might be relevant.
Again, I am not a lawyer, so if a HIPAA lawyer disagrees, I will stand corrected.
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Have you verified your source...
If it came from the HRC team it is suspect...
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There is only one source for
There is only one source for the diagnosis. That is Hillary's doctor. Everything else is just speculation and gossiping.
Nice try!
Shopkeeper your loyalty is endearing, but it won't change our vote.
diagnoses and speculations
Barring an unusual degree of honest disclosure, however, speculate we will -- and must. Will you or nill you, the medical condition of the President of the United States (or anyone aspiring to that office) is our business.
Don't want your health to be anybody's business but yours? Then remain a private person. It's that simple -- and should be.
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Have you seen the video? She
Have you seen the video? She did not faint. She couldn't move at first and then only with very jerky motions.
Right... Given the Doctor Shopping we've seen so far...
For letters and answers regarding Hillary's health I'll call Bullshit right now...
OTOH if she wants to check in at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland, for a complete exam, and release all records, I might find that believable...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
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There's a lot unsaid
There's apparently a lot that Hillary's doctor(s) are not saying, either, assuming that they are telling the truth in what they *are* saying. "Clinton has noncontagious pneumonia" potentially covers a lot of territory. If true, it would tell us some things, but could very well not be telling us a lot of other things that are also true.
From the various things the doctors have said so far, I can tell you that they are parsing their statements. (I'm not a medical doctor, but I am a lawyer, and I know parsing when I see it.)
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Fact
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/G2y8Sx4B2Sk
F the F'n D's
Are you saying medical test
Are you saying medical test results are not factual?
Have you seen those test results?
All I have seen is conclusions and contradictory ones at that.
Also, and forgive me the personal nature of this statement, but i don't trust you are that well informed on the issue or you are trying to obfuscate. You were denying Hillary had prior episodes of dehydration, when this has been something that the Clintons have given as the reason for her falling, etc. and is common knowledge easily accessible onthe internet. And not just quotes but videos of them making the statements.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Correct. We are saying that...
Correct. We are saying that the "medical test results are not factual" .... in fact, we are saying that those alleged fucking medical test results are TOTAL FUCKING LIES. And furthermore, we are saying that anyone who believes they are factual is clueless and has not been paying attention, and last but not least, we are saying that anyone who suggests that they are factual is a HillBot Shill. Get a clue.
Hillary collapsed and had to be dragged like a limp doll into that van and there was a poorly executed cover up with a bullshit spin about pneumonia that does not even hold up to medical scrutiny. The lady either has Front Lob Epilepsy and that was a major seizure, or she has advanced stages of Parkinson's Disease, both of which have been discussed at length on this site, or she has some other major chronic illness that they are covering up that would prevent her from performing the function of CinC of the US ARMED FORCES. The evidence of this has been mounting for months and this latest episode on 9/11 is the most damning evidence thus far, but we all fully expect there to be an even worse one in the near future. Hillary Clinton and her entire campaign have been pathological serial liars about virtually everything and you dare suggest we should accept their word about her health at face value? Are you insane? Do you think we are insane? Yeah, sure, and I got this bridge in Brooklyn, I will sell it to you, dirt cheap!
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
I think you are correct
Think they'll ever figure out they're wasting their time here?
(h/t to whoever posted that here, I laugh and laugh every time I look at it
What test was used (and released) to demonstrate dehydration?
I know what tests showed in my case when I was hospitalized to reverse dehydration.
Perhaps you have the ear of her handlers - if they would like us to believe this story, they could back it up with some lab results.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Why does she become dehydrated so easily and often
to the point of passing out and possibly convulsing? What kind of idiot knowing that she becomes dehydrated easily and has fallen, passed out, suffering concussions at least twice allows herself to be so dehydrated that she cannot stand for an hour in cool breezy weather? Why doesn't she carry some form of hydration along with the hot sauce in her purse? What kind of overheated dumb fuck does not at least take her jacket off?
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
What evidence is there that
What evidence is there that Hillary has had any other episodes of dehydration?
Their own statements
Over and over. But you are wise in questioning it as everything that comes out of their mouths are lies.
Here is but one link. Maybe you havent been following the news but for years i have beenreading and hearinf from the horses' mouths how Hillary became dehydrated.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-bill-clinton-water-dehydra...
PS edited for too many accidental commas
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Is that the quote that was edited
to remove the word "frequently", as though it was a misstatement - when it may have been a major slip?
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That was on CNN--people actually saw that one
initially. They edited his, umm, "mis-speak" out.
I think that was actually made in reference to the fainting
He said it happens frequently but that was quickly edited out. I'm not sure if he was attributing the fainting to dehydration.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
It didn't sound like he was, either....
Yep! This one...
Before the edit...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4NGNhT0_iY]
and After the edit...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jy7-3m5HFE]
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Dehydration was the official explanation for her concussion
in 2012.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/us-hillary-clinton-concussion/
Thank you for facts.
Thank you for facts.
I am not not sure two episodes of dehydration in a five year period can be considered a pattern. My mother has had two episodes of dehydration. One was side effect of medicine the other was just simply not taking in enough fluids while having a long spell of diarrhea. I'd guess the episodes were about 5-6 years apart.
Not really relevant, IMO
I was just answering your question.
As others on this thread have pointed out, Bill Clinton recently said this has happened to her
frequentlymore than once, and her campaign started floating the story that "she won't drink water" right after the incident.They evidently want people to think it's not unusual for her to get so dehydrated she passes out from it. And that she's too dumb to even drink enough water to avoid it, as well as not taking her doctor's advice to rest and recover from her supposed pneumonia. Pretty sad.
Personally I'm not buying the "dehydrated" excuse for what just happened, and who knows if it's really what lead to her fall and concussion in 2012 or not. There's really no way to ascertain "facts" when it comes to the Clintons. But this story is just not sounding plausible to me.
Maybe the shouldn't
Take that road. I have a 96 year old grandmother who gets herself dehydrated because she hates drinking water. The doctors tell me it is very common when people have dementia. Oops! Maybe they should rethink their spin......
One plausible reason for recurrent dehydration, which I doubt
is Addison's disease. that,if untreated could cause hypotension (low blood pressure) and dehydration. Hey , if it was good enough for JFK, then surely it's good enough for HRC.
David Brock: Are you listening--this could be used as spin number 4 explaining her collapse--and I am certain voters will believe your re-diagnosis as much as the first 3. DB, did you forget which is the latest excuse? No hints now.
Fainted?
Fainted? Was that what was happening, when she tried to move after leaning against a cement pillar while the van arrived - and she convulsed, collapsed, needed two people to hold her as upright as possible, before she was dragged into the van - losing a shoe on the way.
Dehydration - so why didn't anyone give her a bottle of water?
Why was the traveling press corps kept confined, so they couldn't follow her out of the event?
Think Gary Byrne has the most accurate description of what happened, and it wasn't fainting or dehydration. Even her staff couldn't come up with anything for almost 90 minutes - took hours before her doctor had a shot at an explanation - useless.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-13/former-hillary-secret-service-a...
Seems obvious her sycophants can up with "fainting" and "pneumonia" because those are known terms to most of the public, and of course, they are not chronic conditions.
Axe nails it again, and when you've lost Axe, really time to pack your bags:
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/775308081794199552?lang=en
I'm biased against The Mad Bomber
and I could careless what ails her of if she drops dead. It would be nice if a house in Kansas got flung into DC by some strange derangement in time and space and landed on her wicked self. Where's our Glenda to flutter down and tell us to click our heels?
There isn't one the Powers that own the place would simply find the nearest replacement puppet and the show would go on. All this carrying on about Hillary's health along with following the evil shenanigans emanating from the courtiers and the propagandists of the Empire and their puppets in provinces that represent the royal court of oligarchical collectivists.
Who gives a shit really? Maybe the people who mistakenly think a female nasty bad ass psycho killer some how represents the only choice and justifies this by identifying with the fact she's a woman or a Democrat. Right she's not quite as obviously or honest about her diseased mind as The Hairball but she's evil. She's having a hard time regardless of her health selling her and the people she represents pure evil as something anyone wants to consent to.
So what if I'm biased against The Mad Bomber. If she's now hydrated and back in action seems to me irrelevant to the 99%'s political situation. I think on a persona level about Cheney who managed to reek havoc for decades without a functioning heart. He and Hillary are just replaceable cogs in the 'inevitable' globalized brave new world. Get rid of one pigs head fucker like Cameron and another one takes their place.
My concern is not with the inner workings of this insane 'world as we find it' but to find a way outside and in to pry it off humanities face. Why waste precious energy or time dealing with a Mad bomber's health problems. Dead or alive sick or healthy the woman is a pox among many on humanity and the planet.
The Irony of calling that article "purposely deceitful"
when it outlines a litany of purposely deceitful actions by the Clinton campaign is pretty rich.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Fortunately we only have a few
Shills here for the Mad Bomber...
So we don't see a lot of it like at TOP where all credibility is lost...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
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Counter-narratives often
seem to be no more welcome here, than they were at TOP. If you don't believe that Hillary is the Devil Incarnate, you're in for a rough ride.
native
Rough ride?
How many people have been banned?
I probably shouldn't speak for Nina--
but my guess is, that like about 56% of the American population, she finds Hillary untrustworthy.
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Did you watch ANY of the videos or see any of the photos?
First, Nina's article does a good job of laying out the waves of lying that occurred throughout the day. Her evidence is hotlinked in the text. Even if you want to believe Hillary's own team, their stories contradict each other, and noticeably change to fit the differing waves of information that come out.
Second, you don't need to wear sunglasses for pneumonia. How do YOU explain those glasses she had on that look exactly like anti-seizure lenses. If she was dehydrated, why did NO ONE give her water? She had medical staff with her. If she had pneumonia, wouldn't they have water with them? And why would they give her a neurological check instead?
And most importantly, that was not fainting. That was a seizure. Her body was stiff, her head tilted back, not forward, her arms angled behind her in a way no one would hold them if they felt dizzy or faint. She jerked before she tried to walk, and continued to spasm as her staff moved her. She was unable to assist them. She couldn't even move her arms in the direction of grabbing any of them. This was before she tipped forward and they shoved her in the van.
That's before you get into all the coughing fits all year, all the reports she can't walk up even a couple of stairs, including eye witness accounts. There are photos of her wearing her special glasses for neurologically caused double vision on the "Stronger Together" campaign plane. She was supposed to be completely cured of all the effects of her concussion, including the double vision, years ago.
She had a seizure on Sunday, because she has some kind of very serious neurological problem, which is apparently getting worse. You might as well accept that now, even if you choose to vote for her. We'll all be getting President Kaine sooner rather than later if she's inaugurated.
Sorry -- This was a reply to Shopkeeper2
I forgot to click to post for ages, then finally did, thinking it would be placed where I had started the comment. Now I see it's basically unnecessary, as so many others are covering this.
Sorry.
Aspiration pneumonia is the only "non-contagious" pneumonia
In the latest letter her "doctor" claims "non-contagious bacterial pneumonia" --- unfortunately for the cover-up bacterial pneumonia is contagious. Except, non-contagious bacterial pneumonia is usually aspiration pneumonia, which can be an underlying cause of a bacterial pneumonia. It is not spread by coughing because the bacteria live with little to no oxygen.
The underlying causes of aspiration pneumonia are throwing up, brain injury, Parkinsons, and ALS.
1. "Many contagious pneumonias have names, such as bacterial pneumonia, viral pneumonia, Mycoplasma pneumonia, and MRSA (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) pneumonia, that indicate the type of pathogen infecting the lung. Some pneumonias have names that are not as clear (for example, "walking pneumonia," which indicates a milder form of Mycoplasma pneumonia). There are many other descriptive terms, such as community-acquired pneumonia, hospital-acquired pneumonia, and aspiration pneumonia (examples that suggest the source of the organism[s] causing the pneumonia)."
http://www.medicinenet.com/is_pneumonia_contagious/article.htm
2. What is pneumococcal disease?
Pneumococcal disease is an infection caused by Streptococcus pneumoniae bacteria (“pneumococcus”). These bacteria can cause many types of illnesses, including: pneumonia (infection of the lungs), ear infections, sinus infections, meningitis (infection of the covering around the brain and spinal cord), and bacteremia (blood stream infection). Pneumococcus bacteria are spread through coughing, sneezing, and close contact with an infected person.
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/diseases/pneumococcal-disease-streptococcus-...
3. Aspiration pneumonia, also called anaerobic pneumonia, is an infection of the lungs caused by a type of bacteria called anaerobic bacteria. The infection is usually not contagious. The type of bacteria that cause this infection live best in places that have little or no oxygen, such as the mouth and intestine.
4. Aspiration pneumonia can be caused by: stomach content entering your lungs after you throw up; a brain injury or other condition that affects your normal gag reflex; diseases such as ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Parkinson’s disease or strokes, which can make swallowing difficult; or throwing up when passed out due to over-medication
https://www.nursinghomelawcenter.org/choking-accidents/elderly-patients-...
From the Light House.
And sometime around 60 y/o, a Pneumoccal vaccine is given
now to prevent infection by the Strep. I have had one.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Aspiration of stomach contents...
If it was good enough for Bonzo Bonham, it is good enough for Her Heinous.
Excellent article, BTW.
Or , the doctor stated it was
Or , the doctor stated it was non- contagious because it had been 48 hours since taking antibiotics.
Except Today
Hillary said she didn't start antibiotics until AFTER she collapsed. That would mean she intentionally exposed everybody at the ceremony and that little girl.
Unless she lied today.
Or she's mentally incompetent and couldn't get her rehearsed answer out correctly.
She can't keep track of her lies, because she *always* lies
about everything, all the time.
She couldn't come up with a single true statement to save her life. (Possibly exaggeration, but not by much!)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
"I Am a Liar." Enjoy the Paradox. nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Related to the
Barber's paradox, with resolution having to do with the replacement of "naive" set theory with the Zermelo-Fraenkel axiomatisation.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
My Brain Hurts... lol nt
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Trying to compare
I am studying Clinton's type of coughing with different causes. Here is how allergy coughs symptoms are described,
What i think we have seen, numerous times is aspiration coughing.
From the Light House.
do you have any prior
do you have any prior training in distinguishing the differences of coughs in patients?
Honestly we really don't need arm chair doctors.
Shopkeeper - your push back on this
is obviously not going well.
This is one that isn't going away soon. The best thing Hillary could do now is come out with the truth to the public.
She has already claimed brain injury is what prevented her remembering anything at all about the security protocols she was supposed to be using as SoS.
She has also claimed to have "short-circuited" - her excuse for providing misleading information about her emails.
That's funny, I thought the
That's funny, I thought the wild Alex Jones health conspiracies and wild and rampant speculation was not going well.
I will believe the actual medical reports and doctors statements before I believe a bunch of arm chair doctors and hack journalists.
I would do the same for your Trump.
Few here would claim Trump as "their" candidate.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I don't know any here who could claim Trump is their candidate
... but it's not like we all haven't had that flung at us a time or two.
I love my country and the people in it and want a president who feels the same. Unfortunately, we don't have such a candidate on a major party ticket at present.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
The speculation wasn't really catching on, until Sunday
when she made a major mistake in judgment by attending the ceremony knowing she was ill, having her personal doctor tending to her, right at her side, yet still "becoming dehydrated" and having an incident in public that can't be easily explained, followed by her campaign acting like a bunch of flailing, lying fools trying to cover up whatever actually happened.
Now the speculation has a lot of new fuel, and is spreading beyond this site and a few right wing outlets. The fact that folks like you are suddenly here trying to tamp it down only adds credibility to the idea that the Clinton people are really worried about it now. Oopsie!
I am not suddenly here. I
I am not suddenly here. I will say that I have defended Hillary almost solely as it pertains to health Issues. I can not defend most of her policy positions. I will say I am not a fan of the far right speculation and conspiracy theory that is being published here. If I wanted that I would go to Utube. I came here for the fearce defense of progressive politics, which is not occurring at Kos. You will find most of my posts in the last month at Kos in defense of Jill Stein and will not criticize anyone for voting green. I will certainly vote Hillary over Trump if it comes to that, I will write in Jill in Indiana if I am certain my vote will not stop Trump from winning this state.
If you believe that realistic fact-based speculation
is automatically equivalent to "conspiracy theory", and you're not a fan of it, it's entirely possible that this is not quite the right blog to be on.
Look, save yourself the agony. Realistic, fact-based speculation among grown-ups is not automatically equivalent to "conspiracy theory" and "alex jones" and "right-wing". That's very insulting when it's not true. If you're not a fan of it, perhaps you could avoid posts that have anything to do with it?
Shopkeeper2, suddenly here or not,
keep in mind, most here detest her heinous, meaning hrc, and will not vote for her for any reason. That has to be okay with you or you will run into a lot of push-back. For example, defending her medical lies is bringing you that very push-back. If you want to defend, however, you need to provide links, as well. You have been making statements asking others for links without backing up your claims with links, either. Not acceptable.
You like her, we get it. Most here don't like her. That has to be okay with you.
Have a beautiful evening!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I am Okay with the Hillary
I am Okay with the Hillary hate. I am not okay with carrying far right wing water for them. I disliked Clinton policies and have never voted for either. I have voted Green Twice which is probably more than most users here.
I will probably write in Jill, but if need be and it should get closer in Indiana, I will vote Hillary. Of course if it gets close in Indiana it probably won't matter if Hillary or Trump wins so We will see how it goes.
I have spent a lot of time chastising hit diaries against Jill and Bernie, And have criticized Clinton's policies often on DKos. I don't hate Hillary, I don't like their policies. And yes I've criticized them for their arm twisting and power politics. The reality is there are still some bridges to the Democratic Party with progressives, I really think the world of Barbara Lee.
There are no bridges with the Republican Party, they viciously hate every progressive and liberal. I also see nothing productive in creating lies about someone's personal health and it is a bridge burning endeavor. So if it's Okay I would like to bring my point of view into these essays for balence.
sure there are bridges from progressives to the Dems.
the problem is, they are all one-way toll bridges.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Excellent response.
Excellent response.
Bernie used a bridge that damn near won progressives the primary.
Yes.
And the DNC dynamited the bridge, using nefarious, unethical and immoral methods various and sundry, and is now attempting to march Sanders' supporters at gunpoint over those one-way toll bridges and back into the "fold". All of the effort, all of the money, all of the hope, all of the clearly expressed policy principles of an enormous fraction of Democratic party primary voters have been met with disdain and contempt, as exemplarized by HRC's choice of Kaine, as well as demands by HRC's partisans for the full, cheery, happy support -- in money, time and votes - of those same disdained primary voters.
No, indeed, the bridges are all one way.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
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