Robert Reich Bites the Dust, Finally Goes There

He apparently could not help himself. Sure, he was a Former Clinton Admin official.

In the last couple of years when he became involved with grassroots political activism over FB and at TOP, decided to give him another chance, then was happy to see that he endorsed Bernie, explained many issues in a way that a broader public could understand them. Critic of the status quo Dem Party and surely a thorn in the side of the DLC.

But now, like Bernie, he seems to have gone back to supporting 'Lesser Evilism.'

https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/photos/a.389150527764216.100736.1424740...

May I have a word with those of you Bernie supporters who consider Donald Trump to be no worse than Hillary Clinton? It’s a point of view a number of you have expressed on this page, and it's dead wrong.

As I said when I endorsed Bernie for president, I view Hillary as enormously qualified to be president of the political system we now have. She is smart, capable, and experienced. I endorsed Bernie because I thought he would help create the political system we need. But Bernie will not be the Democratic nominee. That does not mean the end of the movement Bernie advanced. That movement was never about Bernie; it was about reclaiming our democracy and our economy. And that movement will live on, and it will grow. It needs your continuing activism and your tenacity.

You are, of course, entitled to support anyone you wish to. But if you don’t get behind Hillary you increase the odds that Donald Trump will be president. That would be a disaster for America and the world. Trump is a menace. He is not just unsuited to being the president of the United States – a bigoted narcissist who incites and excuses violence – but his presidency would threaten everything this nation stands for: tolerance, inclusion, freedom of the press, equal justice, and equal opportunity. It would make it far more difficult ever to achieve the progressive goals you and I share.

What do you think?

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See what he did there ? Is it CYA from a former Clintonite who knows what they do to those who challenge them?

Read post here that Nader thinks Sanders 'endorsement' of HRC has set the party up for more exposure and more people deciding to leave it for an alternative. Maybeso, maybeknot.

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Yeah yeah yeah, I know you don't do Facebook.
Guess what, I haven't lived in a home with a TeeVee since the 60's. Fun facts, huh!

But if you do use Facebook, if you have some spare time, would like to suggest going there to read some very excellent rebuttals to Reich in the comments to that post, which are in turn, of course, piled on by the Hillary Supporters with all the tired old arguments, tribalism, etc.

Nice try Robert Reich, trying to make this about fear of Trump. Good to see that your own supporters did not let this go unchallenged.

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divineorder's picture

would be a [...] President. Heh.

And they also said the revolution was about us.

So what's next? joe shikspak and others here are posting some good ideas.

I'll vote for Jill Stein again, but voting, meh. What will I do beyond that?

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"You are, of course, entitled to support anyone you wish to. But if you don’t get behind Dr. Jill Stein you increase the odds that Hillary Clinton will be president. That would be a disaster for America and the world. Hillary is a menace. She is not just unsuited to being the president of the United States – a corrupt war criminal who incites wars for personal profit – but her presidency would threaten everything this nation stands for: tolerance, inclusion, freedom of the press, equal justice, fair elections, and equal opportunity. It would make it far more difficult ever to achieve the progressive goals you and I share."

I fixed it for him.

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notice how none of the sheepdogging demotrolls that are now flacking for hillary seem to offer any apology for her record as a war mongering, neoliberal-globalized trade-promoting, fracking queen.

She is smart, capable, and experienced.

yes, and she has a record.

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yet.

I would indict Hillary Clinton: Opposing view
Matthew Whitaker 7:45 p.m. EDT July 5, 2016
FBI director's judgment was that 'no reasonable prosecutor' would bring the case. I disagree.

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A rap sheet of crimes against democracy; crimes against the wage earning class; and crimes favoring neoliberalism above all else.

There are, what?, a million or more people killed or displaced from wars and military actions she has favored either by vote or by deed as Secretary of State.

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Column: Why is Hillary Clinton still a hawk?

In an era of endless military conflict, anti-war sentiment abides among Democrats. In 2004, their presidential nomination went to John Kerry, who was strongly critical of George W. Bush's handling of the war in Iraq. In 2008 they chose Barack Obama, largely because he had opposed that war. This year, 12 million people cast ballots for Bernie Sanders, who voted against it.

According to Gallup, 68 percent of Democrats think the Iraq War was a mistake — compared with just 31 percent of Republicans. Two out of 3 reject the use of ground combat troops against Islamic State.

Then there is Hillary Clinton, who will be this year's nominee. Few Democrats have more consistently favored the use of military force. She voted for the Iraq War. As secretary of state, she urged Obama to escalate the war in Afghanistan.

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I find this one of the most fearful things about her.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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The unindicted part because she, her donors and fellow-lackeys are grossly wealthy parasites who are smart, capable and experienced psychopaths and have carefully staffed themselves everywhere to corrupt every office and agency, as did Bush? (Anything's seemingly justified with them, or at least to Hillary, if the Republicans did it first, as she made evident in the debates.)

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This is especially true of serial killers.

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

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She can actually get all that terrible shit done!

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Hillary supporters expect that her policies and proposals be adopted by everybody. Used to believe that $15 min. wage was needed. Well, now you better believe $12. Now shut up or Hillary will lose the election. Want to believe that bombing Libya and supporting jihadists in Syria is bad. Well, now you must believe Libya was okay, and moderate head choppers are fighting for freedom. Now shut up or Hillary will lose the election. In other words, you must believe in the re-invention of Clinton--no questions ask. I suppose this attitude will go forward after the election if she wins. If she wants to bomb Moscow or invade the
Crimea, well, you just better go along with it.

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you ya little shit! LOL it's a joke.

"Yeah yeah yeah, I know you don't do Facebook."
"Guess what, I haven't lived in a home with a TeeVee since the 60's. Fun facts, huh!"

Still do what they tell you, but fun! You go. Smile

Is There Something Wrong With People Who Do Not Use Facebook?

Personally, I think a more worrying trend than people not having Facebook accounts is revealed by cases of employers in the U.S. demanding that job applicants hand over their Facebook passwords or “friend” their bosses so that the latter can snoop on them. Perhaps, all this hysteria about some people not having accounts is really a cloak to justify an increasing invasion of privacy. Surely, trying to stigmatise or marginalise people who choose not to conform to popular social trends and demanding access to people’s private communications are hardly compatible with the values of liberal democracy.

As intended: Millions of Facebook users have no idea they’re using the internet

Not f'd — you won't find me on Facebook

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in my house.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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FB is EXACTLY what the 'Net was designed for - except FB is the pissiest of piss poor models - and Users did not expect to be followed around, pestered... yada yada...
but other than that, FB indeed is the internet users expected and sought. Twitter is an even crappier model, but could kick FB's ass if it would double characters from 140 to 300, Live video embed, Live audio embed.

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repeatedly that they don't do facebook. But apparently, nothing will stop people from announcing same. Biggrin

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still adjusting to the more serious venue here.

People who don't do Facebook retain more privacy, and more power to themselves. Fact. Well , for now they do .Most probably maybe. .

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employers in the U.S. demanding that job applicants hand over their Facebook passwords or “friend” their bosses

I'm relieved that I was never so desperate for a job that I would have felt I couldn't just walk out while tossing off a FU over my shoulder. But ... what do employers do when a prospective employee says, completely truthfully, "I'm not on Facebook"?

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I wonder why he suddenly wants to go back to the same way of thinking that led to this ridiculous mess?

Unity ain't gonna be an easy thing for them, is it? I think the folks who normally played the role of facilitating unity have all fled the party.

Meanwhile, I guess they'll continue to talk like this (this election has made it so difficult to mock our opponents):

Of course Bernie's ideas are better! No one here is suggesting otherwise and polling shows that voters agree with Bernie on nearly every issue. We're reality based and that's reality so let's talk about reality, just like we always do. Speaking of reality, Hillary is more electable, so that means we have to go with her. It's too bad that Democrats don't get to choose the president directly! Right! We'd choose Bernie right now! Hell yeah, we would! But we have to think about November. We can't risk making Republicans mad because they'll say some very mean things if we do. We also have to appeal to Independents in November. Good luck getting them to consider Bernie! Bernie was an Independent yesterday and today he is calling himself a Democrat. It's like Bernie got on TV and said that Independent votes don't matter and then he grabbed his crotch and flipped them the bird at the same time just to make sure that Independents knew he meant to insult them on purpose. You must be new to politics if you think Independents will forget about that insult anytime soon! Yeah, regrettably, for a very serious person who thinks about things real hard, the conclusion is inevitable. I tried thinking about it real hard three times in a row and came up with Hillary all three times. Well, maybe not three times in a row because one time I forgot what I was thinking about and had to start over but first I called a do-over on that one and then the next one came up Hillary, so that's pretty much the same thing as three times in a row and since I called a do-over prior to starting over, that means I can say it that way when I want to. And trust me, I didn't want it to come up that way because I like Bernie way better. Because I'm a progressive. Just like you. Maybe a little bit more than you. So that means I like Bernie better. But I'm also a grown-up and this is the way grown-ups make decisions because pragmatism, so I have to go with Clinton. Are you a grown-up? I didn't think to ask if you knew about pragmatism, but I just looked it up and it means that we have to do it this way.

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run a fair & honest primary: no lying, cheating purging & election fraud

Unfortunately, that will never happen if we can't figure out a way to wake up the populace. Sad

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Yaldabaoth, Saklas I'm calling you. Samael. You're not alone. I said, you're not alone, in your darkness. You're not alone, baby. You're not alone. "Original Sinsuality" Tori Amos

Apparently people don't like to cross the Mafia in case of, in example, waking to their horse's head in their bed, or the Clinton's, in case of finding their cat's skull on their porch, assuming that a warning such as this is given by those serving them or the same masters.

People have children and grandchildren; threats against them often succeed where others fail. That sort of thing is hard to withstand. And I would put nothing past the Clinton's or various of the corporate interests/billionaire to whom they owe billions and for which they expect the world. But there, I personally would count keeping the psychopaths out of public office and global control more than any more immediate loss of career, money and/or life threatened in order to achieve the ability to unrestrainedly destroy life on Earth itself for increased short-term profits and totalitarian power with the ruthless disregard of all else along the way.

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Sorry, but I do not now - nor will I ever Trust Hillary Clinton.

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bolds mine

I haven't made up my mind who to vote for (or if I will vote at all). I am; however, tired of the thought process that would lay a Trump presidency at the feet of Bernie Sanders supporters. The DNC was determined, by hook or by crook, to nominate Hillary Clinton. Hold them accountable for the outcome.

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Never again.

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he wrote this piece about a month ago, from the other side of the pond: The Continued Rise of the Populist Right

[...] If you are a neo-liberal you cannot be effectively against fascism or right-wing populism because the policies you support create the necessary conditions for both. You are the enablers and you have no story about how life can get better for the people who are looking for one. You’ve been in power for about 40 years now, your methods have been tried, and all they have done is make ordinary people poorer and create lots and lots of billionaires.

You may say you oppose fascism, but you are creating the conditions under which it flourishes. This is true of Cameron, Blair, Thatcher, both Clintons, both Bush’s, Reagan, and every politician who supports or supported neo-liberal policies.

You are enablers of fascism. The post-war economy was created to make sure that something like fascism could not happen again, and you dismantled it.

You worthless, greedy, foolish, stupid wastes of human skin.[...]

Thanks

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All kindsa stuff about Trump, but nothing positive to say about Hillary.

Probably because there's nothing to recommend her.

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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Two compelling bits:

“Our next president just pledged to do everything we have been campaigning for,” said executive director Raven Brooks after Clinton addressed the conference via a recorded video and promised to take modest steps toward campaign finance reform.

Link to Clinton's message is embedded in post - she apparently thinks there may be Sanders supporters at NN - perhaps she did not read of the Exodus.

Another vid is a short Guardian piece on the history of political conventions in the U.S., but I can't figure out how to grab the link.

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6 pages of comments on this Guardian article that was propaganda for unity behind clinton and was amazed at the resistance among Bernie and Indies to the bs.article and Clinton.

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Reading about the progressive protests/walk-out described in the article made my heart lift with hope. Kudos to all involved - keep the Bern alive and cauterize the corruption!

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Jason Fitichner of the Mercatus Center (George Mason U), to suit me.

They seem to have formed an NPR economic 'tag team.' And, they disagree on almost nothing!

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that's all they got. Sorry I'm as scared (maybe more scared) of Killery, the war monger.
11 min of promoting a European and Russian war- it would boost our economy.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh5pqJc5z-U]

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Kerry also urged U.S. citizens in Turkey to stay indoors and to be in touch with family and friends.

The Defense Department also released a statement saying it is "taking appropriate steps to ensure the safety and security of our service members, civilians, their families and our facilities."

The Pentagon said the coup attempt had so far made no impact on the Incirlik air base, and said anti-Islamic State air operations from Incirlik are continuing.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton also weighed in Friday night. The former secretary of state echoed Kerry's remarks, saying, "We should all urge calm and respect for laws, institutions, and basic human rights and freedoms — and support for the democratically elected civilian government."

Yah right, she should urge that, except when she don't.

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endorsement of HRC was all about NATO and war. Made me want to puke.

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It's simple for me.

Donald Trump is an idiot. He will be rejected by foreign governments. And thus I don't believe he can survive and become a President for a longer period of time. Outside forces will bring him down.

Hillary Clinton has a long, long record of being extremely determined to gain power against whoever doesn't want her (or formerly her husband) in power. That makes her dangerous, even if we know so many things about her contradictory statements of the past. She will bring outside forces down, not the other way around. So, there is no question in my mind who to fear more.

The choice is between an idiot and a fixated power hungry supposedly "do-gooder", who has played a non-trivial role in promoting wars and chaos overseas and may very well do so in the future.

I don't know, it seems to me, not enough Americans have experienced wars on their own soil and foreign powers' bombs raining on their cities. They just can't relate to that. And therefore can't include that experience in their analysis. Nobody, who wasn't on a receiving end of your own neighborhood and livelihood's destruction, can do it. I think it's just our human condition to not be able to relate to it on an emotional level, if we haven't experienced it in our own lives personally, and to relate to it on an intellectual level, most often doesn't do the trick.

I don't blame Robert Reich for anything he said. I don't think it's a sell-out on his side at all, I think it's the only thing his intellect can bring forward and it's not that bad. He explained a lot of important things to us less educated folks, and I still thank him for that.

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try and broaden his intellect before he opines so plaintively to his lessers, ya think? I mean, I am sure you are right when you say this--and it's not stupid to say, I might add:

I think it's the only thing his intellect can bring forward

And I wouldn't fault him for it, either, necessarily, at least not outright. It's just that, given that's the best he can do, who is he to compel anyone else to vote against their best interests? I am supposed to consider his "insider expertise", but in the end, he's still advising me to do something which is not acceptable. It is no more acceptable than Bernie asking me to do so, btw.

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and absolutely don't have what he says to take into account. I mean, it's a freaking FB post, so what?

Bernie has endorsed Clinton, that doesn't mean you have to follow Bernie's supposed support for her either. People discuss endlessly what his "endorsement" meant. In the end it's pretty irrelevant what everybody think it meant, poker, chess or sell out or what have you. There will be an election held.

I don't know how many people have to vote in a Presidential election to be it a valid election. If there has to be a minimum number of votes to be cast or not, I don't know.. And if it should be that the electoral college system is so bad that a President could be electect by less than 20 or 30 percent of the whole population, oh well, then you are in a big pile of pooh anyhow.

Vote your conscience. That's all. And if your conscience tells you that not voting is the only thing you can reconcile with your conscience, then don't vote. In the end it's all up to you and how you will be able to live with the decision you made. That's valid for Bernie and Reich and all others as well. Can't change that, can't help it either.

I would not vote, if I had the permission to vote. If someone says to you the fact that you did not vote, enabled the "more evil" person to win, then my answer would be, the people, who voted for the perceived more evil person are responsible for that supposed winner, not those who didn't vote for that person. It's a baloney, crappy argument, discussed over and over and it's time to not listen to it anymore.

It's getting enervating, doesn't it?

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I mean, it's a freaking FB post, so what?....Bernie has endorsed Clinton, that doesn't mean you have to follow Bernie's supposed support for her either.

Let me stress, I completely agree with you. But his post is posted with HIS expertise in mind--so ideally, that's what the reader is supposed to take away from the post:

consider any "insider expertise"

There are a million FB posts from nobodies like you and me. So the fact that Reich is a "somebody", by comparison, that is supposed to make you feel better about taking his advice, shutting up, and getting in line behind HRC.

No one has to do that. Thing is, the more we read and post these pieces, the easier it is to get accustomed to the idea and the ultimate giving in to the "lesser of two evils". You start telling yourself "well, it's not so bad, and he's right" and this and that and the other thing.

And that's what crooks like Hillary count on.

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so we can resist to accept the "lesser of two evils" thingy. I am telling myself, "well, it's so bad, you can't sell this to me anymore. Try something else, Mister."

Heh, one can resist, no?

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and we certainly can resist and we certainly should. It's just that not everybody is reading it and understanding that

it's so bad, you can't sell this to me anymore.

Which is where the guy's "expertise" comes in.

What we should remember--and I'm proud to see us all doing a fine job of pointing out links and such--is that until not very long ago, Reich was excoriating Clinton and supporting Sanders. So why do TPTB think we're still gonna fall for this crap? I don't know, ask Reich. Maybe there's something in it for him if he does (or, if you prefer, something in it for him if he doesn't). But at the very least, maybe they just think "repetition" of people who used to work for them will suffice.

Hey, we can be repetitive, too...

Diablo

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It can''t be because she's a horrible candidate and people don't like or trust her. These are the same old excuses as to why Gore lost the election in 2000.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

among many other intellectuals and former government employees, be given all this free time and space?

I think it's because he has a cozy relationship with the power junkies and can be counted on, at the proper time, to sell out the wage earners. After all, as a former Labor Sec'y who better to tell the proles to accept lesser pay and a shrunken Social Security check in the future because, well, you know, Trump and all!

You are either with those who have only their labor to sell or you're not, and he isn't. (He's useful to the Wealthers though.)

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...and for the record, he went a LOT farther than just endorsing Bernie - he stumped HARD for him. I saw him at a University talk with well over 500 people in the audience last summer, and virtually the whole talk was why Bernie should be our next president. It was one of the best talks I've heard in a long, long time.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

he also knew Bernie would NEVER get that nomination either, so what real harm did Reich really do to TPTB? None. He got up there and talked a real good game, like they all do, but at the end of the day, he knows which side his bread is buttered on, and he loses nothing by campaigning for someone we all knew would never win. Nice tactics there.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

Other countries would be far more likely to band together in self-defense against the global corporate/military empire Hillary or any Republican would be working toward achieving and enforcing. The potential of 'lesser evils' for us all then essentially lies between a destructive serfdom under polluting and other industry off-shored rule, with life on Earth destroyed within decades, or a faster destruction of much/most of the remaining life on Earth via Mutual Assured Destruction - and at least dying free.

Best block, no be there: vote Green against evil and keep a sharp watch for and record of all evidence of cheating/voter suppression for protest/lawsuits. If The People continue to accept this criminal behaviour and blatantly faked election results as a done deal, we are all done.

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could be considered "positive reinforcement". And FSM love us, we need a whole lot more of it around here, what with all the "negative reinforcement" we've been putting up with lately:

vote Green against evil and keep a sharp watch for and record of all evidence of cheating/voter suppression for protest/lawsuits. If The People continue to accept this criminal behaviour and blatantly faked election results as a done deal, we are all done.

That means quit listening to "you have to vote for A or B". No you do not. You can actually Vote For C.

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The two-party trade-off scam creates a virtual box in which they think to trap us, which has worked for long enough to foster and 'normalize' corruption throughout political systems in more than one country. When the propaganda is followed by the general population to the point of never voting but for 'a greater or lesser evil', other, as-yet-uncorrupted parties never have a chance to grow - but once enough people vote for them, great things can happen. We only need to explain the facts to enough people to actually do it - united and undefeatable. Not to mention refusing to allow suppression and cheating to ever 'win the game' again.

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Reich guy. In the end you just know he's going to cave to those who butter his bread.

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[edited - filled in a missing word]
alone, I mean most of the 99 percent don't need the butter to survive, so I don't know how many would decide to forego the butter and live on their "daily bread" alone. But unless you have proven to be willing to give up the butter and even risk the bread, I am not inclined to be influenced by that argument.

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Percenter - and old, besides - he can afford to flip off those who butter his bread. He obviously didn't. Shows his colors. That's all. Not that I expected different from him.

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argument for Bernie. Why didn't the old fuck just flip off HRC and her convention corronation with a big "Fuck You and the DNC, I'm off to build the coalition to kick your lame ass in four years... "

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than I do.

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Big Dog's Sec.of Labor, enough said. It's something I always keep in mind even when he talks about the economy and makes like a populist. I take all Clintonite's disguised as progressives with a grain of salt. In fact I'm at a point where the the word progressive is a slur on the historical progressives that fought hard for a decent world. Progress for we the people, expanded rights and a just economy. This lot of pols and players who call themselves 'progressive' are a disgrace to the real progressives. Unity with the enemy is not progress and it's not pragmatic.

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[I edited the word Meteor Blades has used to say my suggestion made not much sense. I think he used the word "senseless", he is too polite to say "stupid" so I thought I correct that part in my comment]
make sense to change to another word than "progressive". He thought that was a bit stupid suggestion. I think your comment shows very well, that it was not stupid. I can't stand the category "progressive" as a political or ideological category.

We can progress into the abyss of a dark, fascist place, can't we? Unfortunately I don't know anything about the historical progressives you are referring to. That's when I feel helpless. If I have to study US history in detail and worry for hours reading blogs, is someone a "real progressive" or if he/she " is a fake progressive", I tend to get annoyed after a while and would love to have a more precise expression for those you consider today's "real progressives".

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stand up to Big Money, Big Power, Big Finance, Big Warmakers.

Radical would be good too. Progressive has become too catchall and lost its meaning in my view.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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what we want ISN'T radical anywhere except a neo-liberal world!

Leftist, however, I like. Smile

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is what is contained in FDR's Workers Bill of Rights. Universal health care; work place democracy; clean water and air; respect for fellow humans. (Today we'd add honor the earth and its non human inhabitants.)

We also want the Constitution's Bill of Rights restored as understood as written with an intact 4th amendment.

We'd want rights only to go to people not corporations.

And we'd want war profiteers prosecuted as was done in WW2.

We'd want the government to act according to the spirit of the Declaration of Independence

Not radical - traditional American political values.....don't have a name though

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Unfortunately it's been co-opted by a fascist organization.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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was adopted during the bushies regime to replace that still dirty L word liberals or lefties. The so called centrists and moderate's in the party found it easier to say they were progressives as any way forward can be called progress. A directionless/meaningless descriptor that avoids the dreaded L word. another term the Dems. use that makes sets my hair on fire is 'pragamtic'. Then there is 'moderate'. What pray tell is moderate about setting the world on fire and proceeding to kill democracy and the universal laws, rights and principle that humans have developed over centuries. Once again whose going to protect the people and the planet from the 'moderate' pragmatic, progressives who are armed dangerous and mean us all harm?

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founded or formed the DLC--so that corporatist Dems could disassociate from so-called 'liberals.'

He's been interviewed about this on Washington Journal (C-Span).

Which is why I use liberal--if forced to choose between the two words. (Neither of which I like.)

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

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double speak and their implementing such neoliberal neocon policy and agenda seem derive from the formation of the DLC. The New Democratic party is as bad as New Labour both of which came about after Thatcher and Raygun.

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Reich was one of a handful of establishment Dems to endorse Bernie. Something that Elizabeth Warren, Hillary's attack dog, couldn't bring herself to do.

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loved his issue videos on youtube, explaining issues in a way to make them more accessible to more people than ever.

An oldie but a goodie:

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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why is he advising us to vote for the person who will sign off on it?

Because Trump?

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no chance with trump? I do not know but hated to see it.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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against "trade agreements" like NAFTA, and I've seen him quoted more than once that as POTUS, he'd never sign the TPP.

So there's that, too...

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Yes, but Trump lies as freely as does Hillary and I wouldn't believe a word out of either of them, myself...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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who's going to get her ear on economic policy is Bill or Rubin. Kissenger, Kagan or Albright on 'foreign policy'? I just don't buy the idea that the so called progressives who have endorsed her have her ear or that she will be moved in any direction other then the inevitable neoliberal/neocon anti-democratic way forward. The Third Way they call radical centrism on their website. This is not the center of anything but outright global rule by the 1% all for power,dominion and profit. Smells like fascism to me.

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the most untrustworthy and corrupt person in recent memory.

Bernie supporters have said all along that they will never vote for Hillary under any circumstances. Many have accused Bernie supporters of being cult followers, but his decision to support HRC will likely to prove otherwise. Everyone has to sleep at night with their choice for president, and for many who disagree with the values and politics of HRC , that is not a choice they're willing to follow Bernie with.

Bernie helped reconstruct American politics by leading his supporters out of the Democratic Party.

I'm convinced the next step to achieving that goal is not to vote for their Democratic nominee. IF progressives vote for her this cycle, the Democratic Party will only count
those votes as "being with her." They'll continue with business as usual. Voting for HRC sets back our progress towards taking over the party.

That's why I'm voting green.

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No, really...the whole comment, from start to finish. Because we'll start getting complacent again unless we kick ourselves in the ass, and this does it perfectly.

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We will support Bernie through Jill!

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Note the date.

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And their corporate media. We need to be unfettered in shaping our own future.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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it is time to get to work.

If we don't take a leap of faith and Go GREEN now, we will never do it and this country will be LOST.

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Does America really want two Clintons for price of one back in White House?
http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/

Oh wait .. we have other choices, never mind.

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#FeeltheFern.

Also agree with Luna that you need to post your above comment every day, in its entirety.

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Thanks! My faith Berns forever for good solid reasons.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Couldn't agree more - really hope that comment is plastered all over, not just here.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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And extremely valuable to our future.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

We won't have a future, if we lack the courage to get and keep evil out of politics from here on in.

I strongly believe that this is our last non-bloody-revolution chance, before the global corporate 'trade agreement' coup is 'legalized' and declared valid by a corruption-dominated Supreme Court, the deciding vote for which President Obama nominated a 'corporate-friendly' Republican and for the appointment of whom Dems were urged to fight.

Edited because I suppose that subconsciously I thought the word corrupt in front of the US Supreme Court went without saying...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

What's he doing there? Does he really have that much confidence in his abilities to "Make America great again" when he has no experience in politics? Does he really believe the outrageous things that come from his mouth? If somehow the Republicans nominate somebody else at their convention, like Kasich, Hillary wouldn't have any chance.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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many of us have thought that Trump was in it as a "ringer", just to make Hillary look better--and that he never really wanted the job, it was just to inject outrageousness to the Right, making the Left look sane. Further, over the July 4th holiday off-news-cycle, there was at least one day where several outlets posted an article about how "Trump could quit" the race or even the Presidency.

Which is why we really, seriously have to keep in the back of our minds, his VP pick. And we better hope he gets ousted at the convention, otherwise, voting for him just went south as a strategy, at least for me. That sent me right back to the Greens, where I belong anyway. So time to get to work for them, STAT!

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I keep reading that and how buddy-buddy Trump and Bill were.

This election rigged more ways than we knew.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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