Open Thread 24-08-2015
Submitted by smiley7 on Mon, 08/24/2015 - 8:12am
Good morning good people
Monday morning poetry
Black Monday
The long con
the short con
the conWhat you gonna do
The con has money
more than youraising rents to heaven
and JPMorgan, that is
You know Morgan?
Stanley is his name.
Christ
Know
not this game
no money in Jesus…
anymore
no big money
fold that tent
it’s bentSpent
salvation
is overbent grass is in
bend over
putt in the cloverfour leaves
you winclay
quakes
in
Oklahoma.
The Match
Love made me drunck
A hawk and a hacksaw
November
Chinese Circus for the eyes and ears
Hard Times or Stock Market Blues?
The man takes it away
Comments
Hi c99er's...
Hoping your investments are safe and you enjoy the eclectic mix of music I saved this week.
What a swan lake performance ! Wow, you
show us great stuff, smiley. Thanks.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Ah, Smiley7, I love your OTs poems and music,
I have to enjoy it later in the day and have to go. But I like to ask some of you very good and well read people here, to consider writing about this morning's section in Democracy Now, in which Amy interviews Lawrence Lessig, who said some important sentences with regards of how go about to change the "slave-owner US constitution" and introduce "equality rights", something that was touched in Joe's essay and Pluto's comment.
It's too early to have clipped videos on youtube or transcript, but I hope someone sees some good points in Lessig's ideas and plans.
https://www.euronews.com/live
the Lessig intv. starts at TC 12:44 /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
Good morning mimi...
thanks for the DN heads-up. Glad you enjoyed; as they say here in the Appalachians, "appreciate you."
mornin' smiley...
is that pronounced 'preshee-ate-cha? in the appalachians like it is on maryland's eastern shore? B)
'preshee-ate-cha,' "ats ri'ght"
Sounds spot on, Joe. Living in diphthong heaven.
Great essay btw, just read and left you a comment. http://caucus99percent.com/content/interrupting-1-percents-5-billion-dol...
now I am scanning the transcript of it and I get
somewhat doubtful about his plan and what he says. Sounds more he made the push to get to his 1 million dollar ceiling he needs to achieve. And of course I am not really sure what the difference of a statute is from an amendment and why a statute would mean he achieves his goal faster. And how to get a mandate, which would achieve what?
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hmm... he talks about giving vouchers to citizen they could use to fund elections? Couldn't there be a system, by which every citizen had to pay a tiny amount, like a dollar or two, into a campaign finance fund via their taxes and that's it?
I got once confused with this guy Lawrence Lessig, so I am trying to figure out what I don't understand this time around.
https://www.euronews.com/live
There's a brief essay
…in the Library of Congress that compares campaign laws of various developed nations.
It's not exhaustive, but it describes all the different restrictions countries use to keep elections fair and democracy real — including spending limits, limits on TV advertising, strict limits on the length of campaigns, disclosure laws, and public finance mandates.
But first there is an important filter that determines how vulnerable governments are to election corruption and inequality. The filter asks what kind of representation do the people have?
Parliamentary and coalition governments with multiple parties make corruption and inequality, and lying misinformation and slander, very difficult and pointless. The people's representation is very broad and nuanced. Nearly all of the top developed nations of the world have a parliamentary democracy.
The US has a government where the Presidency is independent of legislature. The lack of parties makes people's representation highly unlikely, and the 2-party binary system is the most easily corruptible.
This Wikipedia Charts shows the other nations of the world with a government like the US. Many of them are among the poorest and most authoritarian in the world.
Coincidently, Turkish President Erdoğan, who seeks a strong-man authoritarian government for himself, just today called a snap election asking the Turkish people to get rid of their parliamentary system. He wants a binary government identical to Nigeria's, Yemen's, Venezuela's, or the United States' — so he can become an authoritarian and autonomous President and clamp down on coalitions and widespread representation of the people, which he says prevents the manifestation of his Neocon "vision" for the future. Project for a New Turkish Century.
So, unless you have the right kind of representational democracy, campaign laws are useless.
http://politics.bgnnews.com/president-calls-snap-election-for-first-time...
Good evening Pluto...
good point, most countries formed after 1776, did not follow our republic in a three-tired constitutional government, preferring a parliamentary arrangement. I don't blame them. In simplicity, takes us forever to turn our sinking ship around.
Thanks for the response.
Basically, its a nerdy subject that interests me, in particular. I like sleuthing out the very beginnings of change or underlying systems that make change impossible.
All nations of the world have constitutions modern enough to be responsive to the conditions of the 21st century. Except for the US antiquity, which was written on a sheep's ass. Constitutions are rewritten and updated all the time. There's a world-class best-practices system for doing so.
Here's a list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_constitutions
I recall that you were one of the first
writers I followed on dkos, great to see you here!
And I, you.
You were an enigma over there. Impossible to pin down. I envisioned you as an interesting, quasi-dangerous, leather-clad anarchist.
I have learned much since I've been here. Heh.
Smaller but lively blogs are real communities; the rare gems of the Internet.
I followed your link and found
That the United States has the oldest constitution of all the countries listed, except for tiny San Marino, a micro state located in northern Italy. Maybe it is way past time for a new constitutional convention.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Good Morning, smiley and 99%'ers!
I always appreciate your Open Threads. You give us something very different each week. I love the poem this week.
I just learned yesterday that I will not be attending the big dkos Asheville meetup either. I knew we were going to be entertaining company some time in September and that is the weekend that they will be arriving.
We have been having some very lovely weather here in our little bit of heaven in the Appalachians. We are heading into my favorite time of the year.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Thanks GG...
Joe's got me thinking this morning. How can we push the emergency of a police state run wild without taking it to the Capitol and WH that's funding the mercenary, gun happy, boys in blue. Hell, our police are trained in Israel and "mowing the lawn" is no longer a simile reserved for Gaza?
Glad you enjoyed the poem, I worked hard on this one. Been raining every day here for more than a week. And yes to Fall coming and the splendor these old mountains treat us to; plus for we skiers, the hint is that downhill isn't far away.
morning all
Gamblers are clogging the tubes, shrieking about money.
You call it loud
But the human crowd
Doesn't mean shit to a tree
It's on: the cats are taking the money.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vpVskyiRU]
May the Entlords win...
Thanks for the fun post and good morning hecate. LOL
Flash Crash in the stock market today
DOW was down over 1,000 points before recovering most of it.
It's still going to be ugly today.
The S&P 500 was halted for the first time in its history.
Morning gjohnsit....
I understand they don't lock windows on Wall Street anymore; knowing that a government bailout will back them up.
On a personal note, i recall slaving away in a tuxedo serving multiple martinis and slabs of meat to lunching gamblers as hecate notes above. Also briefly sold art in a gallery there, but eased my way out when I realized that the same signed print I sold the week before reappeared on the gallery wall. The owner actually made it to Sixty Minutes some years later.
It's beginning to look a lot like 1998
but with a couple exceptions.
In 1998, the east Asian currency crisis happened. Suddenly 20% of the global population was plunged into poverty.
This caused a final wash-out crash in commodities.
There was also a serious, but short correction in the NY stock market.
Today commodities are crashing again, and they are doing it from China.
There are a couple differences this time.
1) in 1998, the Fed had a normal, healthy interest rate policy. Today it is still an emergency ZIRP.
2) in 1998, the retail investor was all in. Today the retail investor doesn't trust the markets because they are rigged and market liquidity is minimal, which means all corrections will be sharper.
Thanks for bringing knowledge
of the market to c99; do you by chance know who is shorting the market in a big way? That could be telling.
You never know who is shorting until later
People can trade in and out of the market in a flash. Big traders usually have both longs and shorts.
I personally have both longs and shorts. Unlike last year, I am very well positioned for this. But I'm obviously not a "big trader".
I do recall reading about
the special conduit built between Chicago and Wall Street for the purpose of dealing in a flash; but I'm a novice about the market, dependent upon good sources to steer the way. I am concerned about the Euro, just looked and its holding steady against the dollar; we purchased Euro months ago when it dived and will be off to Europe in less than a month; that's the only skin I have in the game, very small potatoes.
If its only a month away
…you'll be fine. The Euro is incredibly cheap.
Why not buy an Italian farmhouse while you're there? Prices have never been lower for those with Dollars.
(Contained herein is a hedging strategy.)
:)
Wow, good dream that...but where, Lake Como, Monterosso, the Alps or Venice. Do they have farmhouses in Venice?
The Hill country. Hum.
Cheers for the thought, but I'm in hock, paying my portion of the trip.
Yeah. Forget the farmhouse.
Buy an apartment in Venice. I'll rent it from you when you're not using it.
We love this place...
http://www.alpontemocenigo.com/
Walter and Sandro, fantastic hosts, perfectly situated. Can't wait, my friend, returning to restaurants to die for off the beaten path.
You got a deal; as Johnny might say, go ahead and forward the first year's rent.
Are you doing any booking through
AirBnB?
It's a fascinating way to travel.
No AirBnB directly...
We do have apts. in Madrid, Chambery and Rome.
And, sometimes, a hotel or B&B is better for utility and camaraderie. All depends on the place and your goal. For instance, I booked a hotel in Arles, France,
not because of its good reputation but principally because we will be able to look out our window on the Rhone and see where van Gogh placed his easel to paint "Starry Nights."
I attempt to weigh the fellow travelers' opinions and the back and forth pm emails from blogs/sites: Rick Steves, Seat 61, NYT, The Guardian, tripadvisor, Michelin, Fodor's and others.
Weeks of searching for the right place at times, exhaustive searching; looking for value and location, say that again, location. Then for the unique, Boutique B&B's/hotels and so on.
I can attest to this; for value, take a step up from Rick Steves and a step down from NYT's 5-star recommendations.
Half the fun is the planning with the exception of booking train travel, that's a detailed nightmare of multiple companies and prices, trains not traveling on Tuesday or Saturday or you can't get there from here, headaches.
But what the heck, when I was young, i stuck my thumb out and did Europe on $5-a-day.
Thanks for asking; boy I hope I don't bury y'all with my trip over the next few weeks; I'm more than excited and stressed and longing and...you know.
Cheers.
the
farmhouse in Venice on the gondola is Real.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIDwK0mJPFs]
hecate...
google does not help me find gondola children, link please, this is beautiful, can I meet these children in Venice? What can i do?
venice
is all and every absolute magic town, in any and all shimmering everywhere; and those beautiful children, are all children, beautiful, everywhere; and the way to reach them, magic, beautiful, everywhere; in all town, country, children; is, any, always, all ways, every way: through, in and only, Sweet Thing.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be3OkvBZaIY]
All the borders: now gone. The colonialized people now rushing into the countries of those who did, once upon a crime, colonize them.
We are in the era, now, of the wisdom of Bulworth: "just keep fucking each other." And therein all will be all right. And all the colors mixed into one. Brown. And so those little sampan babies, in the video, soon enough, will be aboard—sailing singing, free—Venetian gondolas.
So let it be written. So let it be done.
"Sweet Thing," meanwhile, better known as: her name is G.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi2EgyZo2Pw]
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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KCwU05DAHU]
Sherman Oaks....
up the hill a little was my long-time home in LA, among a few other neighborhoods. Are Gondola children there, my friend? What are you trying to say? I'm old and missing a beat here. xsplain, please.
okay
First note that my initial post nowhere referenced "gondola children." And then explain to me what "gondola children" means to you.
The placement of your
initial post in this thread was surprising to me, no biggie; just wondering what are you trying to convey this evening?
my
initial post—the farmhouse in Venice on the gondola is Real—seems to me to speak for itself.
It's powerful, deserves
its own space, like a diary. I thought you were directing something personal at me.
"Metaphors displaced, in the chase, don't play words with me and expect to win." Read that somewhere, can't recall the casino, right now.
Maybe, it was the seven no-trump bid?
Anyways, peace good writer and fellow c99er.
that you
and the other 'Merican 1percenters were up there in that thread flashing your Americaness around, making a comfortable place for yourselves, in an expat place, with all your yammering about renting, buying, switching, sharing: overseas. That what you sensitive in "personal" about?
; )
I don't give a shit. I'd be you; if I could be you. But I'm not. But $22,000, the total reported income, of me, in any one year. That's me. And I'm happy in what I am. Though if next year $155,000 came in, I'd be happy with that too.
Though, you know. I wouldn't. Really.
Because I am not of, and am all of, you people. And I am not of, and am all of, your earth.
Oh, that's what you wanted to convey...
share, this evening. Took a little work to get the truth. My income last year was half yours as was the year before and the year before and....
I'm a hippie, friend. The real deal, I hope, living simply.
Europe is a splurge of lifetime proportion.
Let's not digress anymore. Sorry for my wit. I understand where you are coming from, now.
Sending love.
no,
that isn't what I wanted to convey. I wanted to convey that the farmhouse in Venice on the gondola is Real. ; )
Love right back. Sincerely.
It's looking like they'll cut the losses
They've managed to regain most of the losses, so today won't be Black Monday (barring a late day slump).
However, I couldn't help but notice what is happening in the energy markets. Crude oil is down nearly 5%.
That's going to kill the emerging markets. This sell-off isn't over by a long shot.
∞
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxS9N-npE2Q]
There's another thing that should be abolished.
the stock market.
What is it anyway? It's like a giant casino where people gamble their money but the house always wins in the end.
the
terminally medicated goofus Uncle Ben Carson, having decided he could serve as VP on a ticket with The Hairball, is sucking up to the Master by suggesting the US should bomb Mexico.
Uncle Ben also said he once supported abortion, but then he looked through a Special Machine at the lady parts of women, and thereby determined that abortion was just like slavery, because he saw there in the lady parts the poor little feti, bound in chains, forced to pick uterine cotton all day.
Then Uncle Ben declared Obama to be an anti-semite, based on Obama's speech outlining the Iran accord, which Uncle Ben has determined was "replete with coded innuendos employing standard anti-Semitic themes."
See, Uncle Ben has a new, improved definition of anti-semitism. "Anything is anti-Semitic that is against the survival of a state that is surrounded by enemies and by people who want to destroy them, " decreed the shamelessly ignorant idjit. "And to sort of ignore that and to act like everything is normal there and that these people are paranoid, I think that’s anti-Semitic."
Jezz-us
Don't think I'll eat rice today.:)
Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice
Not at all good for you. ; )
never ate Uncle Ben's rice ever anyway -
so Uncle Ben can go to hell or stop producing Uncle Ben's rice.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Where does al-Qaeda stop and Saudi Arabia start?
Yemen
Just a reminder: we are on Saudi Arabia's side here.
Yemen is a place
that most Americans would rather not know about. We are always on the side of war.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Good morning, well...afternoon, really.
Small rant. As some of you may know, I have this huge Snowden facebook page that Edger and I used to run together, but when he died he left it to me. You would think that not wanting to be spied on is one issue that people, no matter what party or ideology they come from, could rally together on. Yet half the week I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. From the people who just want to post about how Sandy Hook was a "false flag" to the spammers selling unglasses to the fanboys who want Ed for President...ugh. It wears a person down. And now we're getting into the candidate posts. Some of it's just straight up embarrassing.
Still- I can't quit. I promised Edger, and it is important. I have some really great contributors there too, who have their eye on the ball. But if the past week is any indication the election season is going to be crazy.
I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~
I didn't know about your Snowden facebook page,
and are not familiar with you and Edger. Do you mind to point me to your facebook page or give some background on yourself I have missed out on? Per message if you prefer? Thank you.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I'm more than happy to
https://www.facebook.com/groups/edwardsnowdensupporters/
I believe we're the largest on facebook, maybe. Not that that matters that much, but we have over 15,000 members. For me, the fight now is to try to restore our right to privacy in our personal communications.
I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~
oh thank you, that is awesome, I also just read a bit
of your older diaries on dailykos, which I had never read, including the What's Happening series. I think my reading on dailykos was very selective and dependent on time. I also missed the EB for a long, long time, if you can imagine. Somehow I never read between 6 pm and 9pm (worked too long hours and more hours of communte and following errands), as well not in the early morning hours. During my working hours I had dailykos window open, and tried to scan as much as I could, but just scan reading. So, I missed a lot, probably a lot of bad stuff too...
Like smiley I refused to use facebook. Have an account, but didn't use it. I like to boycott facebook, but know that I probably have to give in to read some facebook pages.
Yours is definitely one I like to read. Thanks for the info. Are you on twitter too?
https://www.euronews.com/live
I have a twitter account...
but it's just to follow my friends, to build up their followers. I don't feel that twitter is a good medium, maybe good to twit a link, but 140 characters? Is that what we're coming to? That's just sad.
I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~
Twitter
I also have a Twitter account, but not so much for me to send tweets. The real value that I have found in Twitter is that it is like a headline news site. It allows me to follow the news sources that I prefer and get the latest updates early on. It is a good tracking mechanism for the latest news.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I only got both FB and twitter to "like" and "retweet"
only other people's articles, essays and diaries. The only supportive thingy I can do, as I can't write something on my own that would be up to standard in content and style.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Hi Triv...
Thanks for sharing; unfortunately, I don't do Facebook, so I can't follow along. Sounds like a big and worthy project. I can appreciate the troubles trolls and idiots can cause, however.
Please rant with us, anytime;
keep on trucking and all the best vibes to you.
No worries about the facebook thing, smiley...
If anything worthwhile gets posted I'll drag a link over here now that I'm coming by regularly.
I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~
Cool, this place is renewing!
I'm a member of
your Snowden fb page. I love it. I have not been on fb. very much lately as I'm working and it's too much of a time suck hole once I open it. I was impressed as the Snowden groups participants seemed saner then most fb. groups. Sorry to hear your having problems. I belong to another group on fb. called Stop Demolishing Portland and I noticed that as it grew it got more trolls and they seem quite professional as far as trolls go. Realtor's developers or just organized hipster yuppies who like 'growth' on steroids? Who knows. Your doing a good job triv and I realize it's a hard job to keep any group that starts getting attention on course.
I didn't used to screen prospective members.
Now I do. I still let people of all parties and ideologies in, but not if I see hate, racism, CT bullshit or outright lunacy on their page. Trolls don't last, people who harass and are ignorant to other members don't last, self-promoters don't last. Some crap gets in overnight, but I do have to sleep sometime. I plan to keep going until there's no longer a need for it, so I'm guessing that means forever...lol.
I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~
I am a member of your Edward Snowden group too!
I did not know that you were the one who started it. You do a great job with it!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Edger, (the late and terribly missed Vern Radul) founded it, but
I was by his side from day one, and I try my best to keep running it the same way as we did together. He told me I could do as I pleased with it...it pleases me to think that he'd be happy to see that his rules still stand and we carry on.
I shave my legs with Occam's Razor~
Greetings Smiley and 'Good People!' ;-) Thank you
(again) for a lovely and enjoyable OT! I will have to mostly lurk for a while due to family matters, but always very much look forward to your OT's (especially the lovely music).
Have a good one, All!
Mollie
"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart."--Helen Keller
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Hi Mollie,
always look forward to seeing your posts as well. I'm really busy, trip planning, the minutia; it's mind-boggling details. c99 is a respite.
this Biden talk reminds me of 1968
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/24/top-democ...
My first thought was of how Bernie's challenge to Hillary is like McCarthy's to Johnson and that Biden's entry would be analogous to Bobby Kennedy jumping in which angered the McCarthy people.
But, reconsidering, it would be more like Humphrey becoming a candidate after Johnson announced he wouldn't run again.
hi Shah...
Biden's running; a mystery to me unless the plan is to take Bernie out at the convention by joining hands with Clinton, otherwise I don't see why?
I think Biden is Plan B
I think a lot of the muckety mucks at DNC are very worried about Clinton imploding. Let's face it, even if you support her, she is a terrible campaigner. With the added problem of the emails and her private server, she is barely treading water. The big problem for the muckety mucks is Bernie. Who could have predicted among those ensconced in the beltway bubble that a grumpy, rumpled old Senator from the second smallest state in the union would become the equivalent of a rock star on the campaign trail? I think they are really worried. Right now they have a candidate who continues to cloister herself away from the public because every time she opens her mouth, her foot seems to make its way in. They are heavily invested in maintaining the insider status quo and if their first choice continues to lose ground at the rate she has recently, they may just go for good ole uncle Joe.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Agree and oh,
did you happen to catch the long lens paparazzi photo of her and Bill walking on the beach at the Vineyard, https://www.google.com/search?q=photo+of+hillary+Clinton+on+the+beach+at...
Strange and telling costumes of she and Bill from a theatre point of view.
Jeepers!
Thanks for sending me down that rabbit hole.
Nope...
still doesn't get my vote.
oops, didn't realize it scrolled down for more, forgive me.