How bad are the statistics of TOP? & misc stuff

I have not followed their statistics.

Just for the heck of it, I clicked on one source. (not sure if this is the source someone else gave)

Their international ranking fell 227 levels in the last 3o days and now they rank 1,528 globally. Their rank in the US is 353

That comes from the Alexa site. It looks like you have to pay to get more data.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailykos.com

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There is another site quantcast.com

The first graph is Traffic. There are options on the right. Click on 1 year and see that a line of 1 million per day was about right, then on March 15 when Kos told us to go to hell there was a surge of over 2 million.

If you do either the 30 day or 90 day moving windows, the scale on the Y axis can change and recently the max line is 800K

Scroll down the page to the demographics and note that TOP has an older audience and the younger people are not here much. That fits with the Bernie demographics.

I seem to recall that TOP is down by 40%. Is this shown in these statistics?

And as I said at the beginning, I have not looked at these graphs until a couple of weeks ago so I don't know what they looked like in the good old days.

I avoid going to TOP because I don't want to give them anymore traffic than necessary. I make comments on BNR.

I went over there and took a peek and the REC list is Hillary, republicans suck, DNC democrats .

The focus on issues facing the nation and world, or the Bernie movement, they are no longer there

Hence, if one lived in the TOP bubble you would think that it is all over -- Hillary won. End of story until November. Trump sucks. By contrast, the revolution is just starting in my view.

Interesting developments

1. Russia has Hillary emails?

2. Wikileaks to release more emails and says that they should lead to an indictement, but Assange does not think it will happen

3. the court case of election fraud should be out soon ...

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but it was chilling to experience this and gives me fear for things to come. This was too much psy ops and "Dear Leader" stuff.

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I found the whole thought police movement over there to be more than chilling. To me this is what life will be like should Hillary be elected. Dark times for freedom of speech.

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riverlover's picture

got it enough full-force to flee. We will be Cassandras now as the Full Press comes down. I am ambivalent about being pre-trained to see it.

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Remember the period this spring when Dailykos was sending us emails telling us that they had invited a slew of new writers to start submitting their thoughts/ideas?

Do any of you think that maybe this was just a cover for a coordinated plan to start swarming the site with paid Hillary operatives in order to start demonizing Bernie to the Democratic Party faithful?

Or just a coincidence? Nah...

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James Kroeger

You can see new names there now... And they did send out emails asking members to write diaries. And we all know there has been an influx of names that joined there within the last 3 months who post long official looking "why I dumped Bernie and asked HER to marry me". Diaries

Some people who questioned the validity of these new diarists got BANNED, TO or NRed for asking if these people were paid operatives. even though at least some of these new people ARE paid operatives ... Or else TOP now has a whole lot,of people posting there who live in INDIA :). That was the info I found quite interesting I. The stats posted here...

The largest number of comments originate in the USA but 2nd and 3rd place is almost a TIE between Canada and INDIA. Now why would so many people in India hang out at the GOS.. (Smirk)

Anyway.. Those of you who do still visit top should check out BBBs diary today... I laughed that almost 1/2 the comments are Hidden. Lol

Also, does ANYONE know how to stop the daily HRC robo calls? Just got another one and one would think given that I hang up as soon as a hear HER voice they should stop calling me.

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Orwell was an optimist

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We outsourced our call centers to Canadian firms when I was at HP because too many customers didn't like "Heather" and "Todd" with their thick Indian accents.

If you have to create the impression of popularity without being popular, this is one of the few methods that are available to you.

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So many had left by then I think it was an attempt to get more eyeballs. It was pretry close timewise to the plea for cash.

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"Politics is not evil; politics is the human race's most magnificent achievement." Senator Tom Fries, 'Podkayne of Mars,' Robert Heinlein

Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

People love to compare Trump to Hitler and the Nazis, but I think that comparison is more aptly applied to Hillary and her supporters. They are with her, regardless of whether or not she is with them. She knows best and is unquestionable, and that sounds more like how a functional Nazi regime would work. Trump and his supporters don't have the functionality that one would associate with the Nazis.

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After the 3rd time out for disagreeing and not in a nasty way I decided to remove Kos as my home page. For the first couple of weeks I went there 1-1x per day as I missed it. But I am happy to say, haven't been there in over a week and I am done, will very rarely go back. Obviously Kos is expecting a big contract from HRC.

So sad to see a warrior for the people so blatantly sell out

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He said that he had sold his shares in Vox and from another website or something to do with gaming?
He has made a ton of money off of DK and to start kicking people off of his site in March because they wanted to continue supporting Bernie was a giveaway for me that he didn't care about the site. I could be totally wrong about this, but it's my opinion.
Also look at the tone of the diaries he kept writing and when people disagreed with him in their comments, he basically told them to FO.

And I have heard and read that he is working with a democratic think tank that was developed from the DLC. (edit)

There are so many great writers that have left the site before and after the deadline. And you are right. Ther isn't any decent topics being written about like there were before the FP was full of the republican's antics.
Now it's Trump central and of course Hillarykos.
Or other diaries about how Bernie is being mean to Hillary and the Democratic Party.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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Solidarity forever

He has made a ton of money off of DK and to start kicking people off of his site in March because they wanted to continue supporting Bernie was a giveaway for me that he didn't care about the site.

I think that he wants to cash out, and the only people with any interest and enough money to buy it would be the DNC, Saban or the Clinton Slushfund Foundation. Any of these would want all the Sanders riff-raff evicted before they bought it. So I think he's just cleaning up the property to make it more marketable.

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Haven't been there in months (twice perused for 5 to 10 minutes in March)... I don't even care anymore about it. The site helped me survive the murderous insanity of the bush years and gave me a little hope for a better country with a democrat in the WH but that is all gone now. No DNC establishment types, no globalists and no war mongers need to pander for my vote any longer... they are not getting it though I don't believe they honestly count votes any longer anyways. I don't give a flying fuck what the establishment democrats want any more... they refuse to do what the majority of Americans want (many democratic AND republican constituents want the same things) and they don't deserve to hold office... some should be charged with subversion and corruption and imprisoned.... and not just HRC

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Old white and affluent.

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Solidarity forever

late 20s to early 40s.

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and some more wealthy and somewhere along the way the fresh young faces (other than staff and sockpuppets) vanished.

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When I first arrived at TOP I was in my mid 30s I began to notice a lot of folks from my regional area blogged there. We arranged a meet up in Olympia, WA. I was on the older side of the group. I was also not the only American Indian. Now days yes I would say it's true. It is also true that not a single one of group has blogged there for years. While the thought police may be a new phenomenon to many they are not to us. We discovered years ago that our western semi rural culture is not very popular and is often at odds with the group think there. Most of us were hounded out of there and now write other places or we are busy contributing other places. I am still in touch with several of them we remain friends and even work on certain issues together at times.

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I'm in the Olympia area ... as soon as the TOPhats started attacking differing views in earnest in Jan/Feb I left. I don't need them ... never felt all that 'at home' there anyways.... there was always a strong element that liked attacking free trade is your epitaph.

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That page and the Hillbots posting there are utterly vile. "Spiking the football" is supposed to be forbidden there, right? Well, what they're doing isn't so much spiking, it's more like sucker punching your opponent in the face after the play and then pissing in his facemask when he's down. Bernie's a narcissist now? Bernie's only about Bernie? Bernie's never done anything for anyone but himself? This from a campaign responsible for that scam known as the Hillary Victory Fund? They openly say that FDR Democracy is dead and not coming back and that we've just got to accept Reagan Republicanism. There needs to be a special place in Hell for some of those folks.

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"Not me. Us."

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Things like telling him to F'ck off, he's an asshole and even worse comments.
Twice I wrote to the help desk about them and the first time they wanted a link to the diary even though I gave the name of the commenter.
The second time I included 6 heinous comments about what they wrote about Bernie and told them that other websites were noticing how DK was being discussed, but I never heard back from them again.
It's too bad to see the site going down like the titanic. But apparently they either don't care, or they like it being Hillary and democratic center.
But what chaps me is that everything that the site used to be against when it was the GOP doing them is now acceptable because it's Obama and Hillary doing it.
The destruction of Libya, Syria Honduras and Ukraine and the use of drones especially because no US troops are being killed. Just innocent civilians, but I guess they don't count anymore over there.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

on the left who manages to gain enough popular support that the media cannot easily ignore the person.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

I don't miss top either. JtC has built is a comfortable home. I go by MO and LD to say hello, but I am very comfortable here.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

On March 13, which is when Kos made that big announcement ( I missed it, so just got the gist on here - basically that it would be a Hillary site from then on, with dissent barely tolerated - I had to find that out the hard way), it was at 2.2 million US unique views. Average for Feb-March was around 800K us views.

It's fluctuated quite a bit since then, with each primary, but right now is at about 636K US views. So Kos' anti- Sanders policies have generally cost the site about 140,000 US viewers, or -20% That's how I'm reading the graphs.
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if I can do a decent screen shot I'll post it, but the graphics are deceiving as the scale changes as you move the window, so you have to read the actual #s to make any sense of it. If I'm right 636K now vs. 800K average Feb - May is about a 20% drop-off.

I'm using the site link that Heart of the Rockies posted: https://www.quantcast.com/dailykos.com#/trafficCard

The "rest of the world" traffic, i.e. Europe, Asia, etc, hasn't been affected, stays right under 1 million most of the time.

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to read a powerfully good essay on DKos anymore. But there are very occasionally some, like this one which is a personal response to Orlando …

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/06/14/1538613/-Theres-no-such-thing-a...

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I gave a liitle figurine to my husband who took it to his workplace. Then a female (underling, underwing) stole it and it went on a vacation. Pictures from the Caribbean! It returned, and I have it in my sole custody now.

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There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.

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dailykos.com
Daily weblog with political analysis on US current events from a liberal perspective.

In my mind, liberal and progressive are the same things and if that site was still a liberal site then the members there would have voted for Bernie instead of Hillary who is as gulfgal has so eloquently written about, is a neo con and is more aligned with the republicans than what the democrats used to stand for.
They now represent the banks, big businesses, oil,fracking insurance, pharmaceutical and not we the working people.
They have voted alongside the republicans on many bills that have hurt everyone except the elites and the corporations.
We get a few bones tossed our way on social issues that don't hurt anything related to the economy.
Remember how we used to plead with the democrats, especially Reid to grow a spine and fight back against the republicans?
After the democrats took back congress, we saw the republicans still controlling what the democrats could pass. That is when my blinders came off.
Hey Markos, There is no real difference between the two parties.

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pull in a few more readers, even if they don't stay long.

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From this election, is Hillary basically demanding she be credited as being a progressive.Nope ! Never was and never will be.

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Only one party disenfranchised it's own voters and rigged its own elections this season. So there is that at least. Smile

Too bad for us that it wasn't the Republicans....

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Don't see much of a drop off that can't be attributed the primaries winding down and summer vacation. Besides if bots can be used to make a candidate look like it has more supporters on Twitter, what makes you think they can't generate traffic on a website? I'll bet this becomes a huge scandal for some major website at some point then the shit will hit the fan when they investigate Kos.

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Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

Kind of hard to see with all the peaks and valleys of the daily traffic as it is more in the slight change in amplitude of the spike of the heaviest days of the week and the width of the spike...

Using a mid-February start date to catch the Pre-Ides Of March Traffic, and the "Visits" tab, smoothed by weekly instead of daily you can easily see that TOP has chased away about 5M page views per week...

Screen shot 2016-06-15 at 5.24.42 AM.png

It's plain to see that lil Napoleon has thrown away about 1/3 of his page views so he still has a lot of visitors, but they aren't hanging around for his bullshit...

The corresponding loss of advertising revenue will he claims isn't much is one i would gladly accept and be quite comfortable living with if it were given to me. I'm a web publisher with advertising on my sites who would never willingly throw away traffic on that level...

*updated adding image to C99 instead of using Imgur, unable to do so this morning due to server error.

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
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Citizen Of Earth's picture

And Kos will lose another 1/3 when the election is over. I guess propaganda doesn't pay what it used to. Hahaha.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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after the convention or at the latest after the election, I think they'll drop into a hole as all Hill's paid trolls vanish. They're not there for fun, they're there because they get paid.

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Not only after the convention, but imagine if $$Hillary gets elected.

I'm sure only the most die-hard of Hillbot troll scum will want to spend their days pretending she's not a disaster.

"I told you so" will get you banned for sure.

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most popular diary, at the top, all caps and bolded so it will shine through hiding. After that, there will be nothing worth staying there for anyway.

Can videos be hidden? Would it be better to put "I told you so" in a video?

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A Mona Lisa smile. And I saw her, and I think I can do that one.

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And include a "Told You So" video.

With lots of "Told You So" pooties!

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pootie porn!!!! Nice to swallow that one. Other? not so much, personally.

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It is so sad to see a once great site sell out. Poor Kos took the $$$ from Clinton and sold out see yah

At the end of this process may your site be worth zero

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Here is the title of his latest post

Open primaries? No, no and hell no

Not going to link to it

Fast on the track of being a democratic party establishment site

Almost everything but BNR on the REC list is for Hillary or dems

And since there are not diaries to attack, the Hill Bots have swarmed into BNR and carry on attacks there

Waiting for the suit about election fraud to be filed and that will piss them off

And, wikileaks and Russia say they are going to release more of Hillary's emails which might be another big problem for her

It was already clear, but the full support of the establishment democrats shows the corruption of the democratic party

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There is no need to go there and read his BNR anymore anyway since he posts it here and at his own place right?

Stop giving them attention, let the little trolls have their bubble and wash your hands of the place.

I stopped going there for the BNR a long time ago just because the titles alone on the wreck list were enough to make my blood boil at times and if they are shitting up the BNR and Kos is letting them than really, just escape the place for good already. Smile

You will have just a tiny bit less aggravation in your life if you do. I know I did.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

You are right.

I used to frantically try to REC and copy other diaries to get them to the REC list

People like bobswern who has been professionally involved in campaigns for years and often at very high levels

I have posted a couple of links to articles here in C99% and got the honor of being called out for this totally bad site, the very one we are on right here.

But you are right. If BNR were no longer at TOP, it would be very, very easy to leave.

I post comments on all kinds of things. I have in a way used BNR like a private blog.

But recently, for sure within the last week, the Hillary trolls have been showing up big time and right now there are several hidden comments in BNR.

We have seen many times that people have been driven off dailykos. Probably many of the people here have had their run ins with the trolls there. So it would be right in character for them to mess things up and try to get BNR run off the site.

I will make a comment about that tomorrow over there.

Kos had a second post today and this one was on Trump.

Is it possible to use Kos as an example to plot the fear of the DNC?

They must be shitting in their pants that the Bernie movement is working to change the democratic party

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and read the thread from the bottom to the top to the essay. It is strangely comforting to see ideas pop and mostly not being ignored. Like riding the wave, from behind.

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