Where Russia actually IS our dangerous military rival

It's amazing to watch Democrats get panicked and obsessed about imaginary and extremely unlikely dangers by the Great Russian Bear (example: invasion of Baltics).
However, what is truly bizarre is that there is a place where our soldiers are being killed by a group that Russia is nominally supporting, and the Democrats seem to be totally oblivious of it - Afghanistan.

Back in the 1980s, the US supported Afghan "freedom fighters" against the Soviet Union. Those fighters later morphed into the Taliban. And now, the Russians seem to be returning the favor.
Moscow said last month it was in contact with the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan, with the stated reason being that Russia was sharing information and cooperating on strategy to fight the local ISIS affiliate there, according to The Wall Street Journal. So far, cooperation apparently doesn't involve cash or guns....
Surprisingly, even Taliban officials say the excuse of offering help to fight ISIS doesn't add up. Two officials disputed that characterization, including the group's spokesman, who told Reuters that "ISIS is not an issue." In fact, both groups forged a shaky truce in August 2016 to turn their guns away from each other, and instead target US-backed Afghan forces.
"In early 2008, when Russia began supporting us, ISIS didn't exist anywhere in the world," one senior Taliban official told Reuters. "Their sole purpose was to strengthen us against the US and its allies."

How is this not an issue for the Democrats?!? Why do they try so hard to believe konspiracy theories, with no facts to back them up, and yet they care nothing about this real, factual problem???
It's mind-boggling to me.
It's as if the political rhetoric is nothing but a bad, reality-TV production that has absolutely no connection with the real world.

But wait, it gets even better.
Just a few hours ago this happened.

Pakistan has warned the U.S. to sort out the “total mess” in Afghanistan, and if it doesn’t, Russia will. Moscow could penetrate Central and South Asia and stage a Syrian-style intervention in Afghanistan, the Pakistan military warns.

Whoa! Pakistan getting in bed with Russia against the U.S.?
And we still have roughly 10,000 men in Afghanistan.

Russia has repeatedly voiced its concerns over the volatile situation on Afghan soil but has so far not announced plans to intervene directly.
However, last month Russia invited China and Pakistan to trilateral talks to discuss Afghanistan – which may have been the foundation that would open doors for sending Russian troops to Afghanistan. Interestingly, the U.S. and India – two key players on battling ISIS and the Taliban resurgence in Afghanistan – were not invited to the talks.

Speaking of China, that other military power we are rattling sabers against, they factor into this story too.

There is mounting evidence that Chinese ground troops are operating inside Afghanistan, conducting joint counter-terror patrols with Afghan forces along a 50-mile stretch of their shared border and fueling speculation that Beijing is preparing to play a significantly greater role in the country's security once the U.S. and NATO leave....
Yet beyond a subtle acknowledgement, U.S. military officials in Washington and in Kabul would not respond to several detailed questions submitted by Military Times.
This dynamic stands in stark contrast to the two sides' feisty rhetoric over their ongoing dispute in the South China Sea, and to Washington's vocal condemnation of Russian and Iranian activity in Afghanistan.

Stark contrast indeed.

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Bollox Ref's picture

but an interesting aside, and 'take' on things Russian.

An article from The Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/06/russia-revolution-tsarist-...

Reshetnikov said it was likely to be decades before Russia could seriously think about restoring the monarchy, and would require a more mature and religious society before it could be contemplated.

Malofeyev, however, said it could happen sooner than expected, and said he believes it to be quite possible that Putin could be crowned tsar: “Nobody wanted Yeltsin to carry on forever, but everyone wants Putin to carry on forever.”

Putin might be around for a long time. God Save the Tsar!

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref
Putin as new "Tsar" of Russia has been circulating for fucking years.

More Guardian ‘Brainwashing’ on Putin
By Jonathan Cook

I spend a lot of time on this blog criticising the propaganda role of liberal media, including my former newspaper the Guardian. Media critics like Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman have called it “brainwashing under freedom”. Because of a long filtering process before they reach positions of influence, journalists working for the corporate media in free societies replicate many of the failings of journalists working for media in repressive and closed societies. There are differences. The propaganda in free societies is more subtle and insidious; the journalists are more likely to believe what they write; and a degree of pluralism is allowed, even while plausible and important voices are ignored or ridiculed. But propaganda it still is.

I highlight this long and prominent article in the Guardian on Putin’s handling of Crimea and Ukraine because it is a master-class in brainwashing under freedom. The paper’s Moscow correspondent, Shaun Walker, is presumably well-acquainted with Russian society. He has full access to Russian media propaganda, so he knows full well Russia’s side of the argument. And he has acres of space in which to set out all the various viewpoints. And yet, he never manages to give a proper hearing to Russia’s side of the argument.

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@CB

Russians have created something along the lines of the old Tsarist Cadet School. Described as an

'Orthodox' Eton.

(Edited)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

It seems to me there’s a preponderance of religious and ‘moral’ attention, possibly at the expense of attention to a more universal respect for what is simply human.

Reshetnikov said it was likely to be decades before Russia could seriously think about restoring the monarchy, and would require a more mature and religious society before it could be contemplated... “He never tried to get elected; he was found and put in place, and turned out to be sent by God. Who could have guessed in 1999 that Putin would come to us and Russia would start becoming Russia again? It was an act of God,” he said.

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@janis b

When you start wishing for Tsarist Russia as 'better' times, you know something is wrong.

Janis, have you seen the photos of Sergei Prokudin-Gorskii? Quite wonderful.

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Gëzuar!!
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@Bollox Ref

Russian Gothic.

Thanks Bollox.

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@Bollox Ref

Russian Gothic.

Thanks Bollox.

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@Bollox Ref
In fact, the Trumpster was sent to the New York Military Academy because of his acting like an asshole when he was 13.

I fail to see any connection between current Russian cadet schools and Tsarist Russia. Just as in the US, some are more militaristic with firearms training than others. The original cadet schools in Russia were abolished in 1917 because of their elitist connections with the monarchs.

https://www.rt.com/politics/russia-monarchy-return-poll-661/

According to Fedorov, 28 percent of Russians support the restoration of monarchy or said they would not object to it.

At the same time, only six percent said that a modern monarch must be from the Romanov dynasty. About 13 percent hold that a contemporary Russian politician could become a new Tsar and suggested a nationwide referendum to decide who. Only four percent admitted they had a favorite candidate but almost all monarchists agreed that the future Tsar must be an Orthodox Christian. 80 percent of all respondents said that no living Russian politician or public figure was worthy of the throne.

At the same time, 67 percent of those polled said that Russia should leave monarchy in the past and 82 percent agreed that the current republican constitution is the best for the country.

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@CB

"Trumpster was sent to the New York Military Academy because of his acting like an asshole when he was 13."

I contend Trump was an Asshole long before he was sent to military school and still was one afterwards. When scientists isolate "The Asshole Gene" it will confirm my belief that he was one his entire life...

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"Do you realize the responsibility I carry?
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,

Russia had a plan, made agreements and delivered. It's also clear that Russia wants to get the hell out when Syria is safe. Russia does not want a virtual empire. I have seen more than one article speculating that there are a few states in the ME that would like Russia's help. She proved herself a good ally.

Russia also demonstrated enormous state of the art military capabilities and preparedness, from intel to continuous sophisticated aerospace operations to mine removal and everything in between. She used the opportunity to test some of her latest state of the art hardware, launching the very accurate Kalibr cruise missiles from small naval vessels to submarines to surface ships. She also demonstrated her family of Onyx missiles traveling at 2000 mph, and her newest strategic cruise missiles, KH101/102 with a 5000 km range, launched from her strategic bombers the TU-95 and the TU-160 supersonic White Swan. Did the Pentagon take notice? You bet, they probably thought that the missles were just paper designs or in development.

Well, do we want Russia as a friend or an enemy?

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

@The Wizard

Putin kinda shows up the corporate/billionaire crazies invading the US government by providing a sane contrast. And I kinda wonder how much this plays into adding energy to the corporate/military globalist push of the various lunatics involved...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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They want to put an end to the drug trade which has increased exponentially under US military control. Russia and China together can facilitate talks between India and Pakistan in relation to Afghanistan. Russia is looking for north-south gas pipelines through the region and China is looking for east-west highways and rail lines through Pakistan to the Chinese built port at Gwadar on the Arabian Sea as well as to Iran.

The US has been a spoiler in this region since the USSR began to help Afghanistan modernize in the 50's and 60's. The US has historically been more intent on destruction if it can't get its way rather than on co-operation - unlike Russia and China. If the situation continues to be dominated by the US, conflict (and drug production) will continue indefinitely.


Six Nation Talks in Moscow Ponder Afghanistan Crisis

15 FEBRUARY 2017
A renewed attempt at finding a peaceful end to the lingering unrest in conflict-ridden Afghanistan held in Moscow on Wednesday, the Russian foreign ministry has announced.
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“Moscow is currently hosting consultations on Afghanistan involving senior officials of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia, Iran and India and we will be brief you on the outcome of this meeting,” said Zakharova.

Speaking on the impact of such talks on core issues facing the wider region, particularly Afghanistan, Faramarz Tamanna, chairman Afghanistan Center for Strategic Thinking at the MoFA, has said that holding such meetings would be helpful in boosting regional cooperation in campaign against terrorism.

“We should try to create a common understanding between the regional countries in order to attain the partnership of all regional countries in restoring peace and stability in Afghanistan and the region,” said Faramarz Tamanna.

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So, I'm thinking about writing a comedy about Iraq.

I had this long, comedic set piece in mind about the whole war and how things were awful everywhere.

But then I realized that the most powerful pieces are those that are the most real. So I decided to do it on the happiest time in the war.

So, I started yesterday on
"The Week The War Forgot About Us"

A comedy about a military unit in Iraq, forgotten by command.
1 Platoon doing everything they can not to draw attention to the fact that they have been forgotten.

A comedy/Tragedy. They are only remembered because one of the soldiers has to stay in contact with his social worker, every two weeks, or else he'll lose the slim chance of getting his kids back.

Autobiographical.

edit: Apologies, I know this should really be on the open thread. I was just thinking how nobody is bothering to talk about what really happened, and how stupid it was, and still IS. So, a comedy seemed a way to talk about pain without it hurting, if that makes sense.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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What's in it for me?

Russia news is all about a public which needs to be distracted so that they won't be able to see what's in their own collective self-interest. Yeah, Afghanistan. Obama kept US troops in there because there was money for some corporation somewhere. What's up about it? Y'all got luxury condos there and you don't want the Chinese and Russians to drive down the property values?

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

Putin said it and most Russians agree -
The collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster to befall Russia since WWII.
And although the USSR had horrific losses in WWII, it survived and expanded territorially.
Not so in 1991. The Great Russian empire known as the USSR lost nearly 25% of its area to newly independent republics.

The boundaries of the constituent republics of the USSR were somewhat randomly drawn by the commissars as an "answer" to the nationality question. Other than use of regional languages and a few dance festivals, there was no real autonomy. Russification continued much as if had under the tsars. Most importantly, large areas of Russian ethnic population existed in Estonia, Latvia, eastern and southern Ukraine, and northern Kazakhstan. And the capital cities of nearly all the republics were strongly culturally Russian - with Russian the language on the street.

(Imagine how Americans might react if the Southwest, New England, and Florida seceded.)

Most of Estonia and Latvia had been part of the Russian Empire since the Great Northern War in 1710 - long before America's 1776. Lithuania was incorporated into the Russian Empire after the Polish Partitions of 1793 and 1795. Following the collapse of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the collapse of the German Empire in 1918, the Baltic republics gained independence in the power vacuum of the interwar period. They were incorporated into the USSR in 1940 as part of the Nazi-Soviet Pact - then invaded by the Nazis in 1941. Germans and their Baltic associated murdered nearly all of the Jewish population - then the German minority fled or was deported at the end of the war. Russians had been a signficnat ethnic presence in Estonia and Latvia for centuries - not just since WWII - less so in Lithuania. In addition, the northern half of East Prussia became the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad.

Since the independence of the Baltic states in 1991, the Russian minorities have been treated as second-class citizens. In fact nearly half of the Russian minorities lack citizenship in the countries where they live - with the E.U. doing little more than offering mild rebukes. It is hard to know accurate figures since census data collected since independence of the Baltic state may under-report the Russian minority. Still, 28% of the population of Estonia, 36% of the population of Latvia, and 8% of the population of Lithuania were Russian at independence.

Lithuania granted citizenship to all Russians regardless of length of residency. Estonia and Latvia did not grant citizenship to those Russians and their descendants who arrived after 1940. Estonia citizenship laws have allowed for almost 80% of its Russian minority to gain citizenship - but in Latvia nearly half of its Russian minority remain stateless.

This is a serious issue - and especially galling to Russians. While the Baltic states where able to act without restraint in the two decades following the collapse of the USSR due to Russia's weakness, this situation simply could not persist. The time has now arrived when the accounts are due. And Putin is going to present the bill of particulars. Not only are there long-standing and legitimate grievances, but it can only enhance his prestige in Russia.

You can count on it.

It was one thing for the E.U. and NATO to expand into the former Warsaw Pact countries. Quite another for them to expand into the Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania - which had been part of one Russian empire or another for centuries. Russia may have been willing to accept some form of Finlandization - with the Russian population having full and equal right - but the past 25 years have been galling to Russians of all political stripes.

It's next up on the calendar.

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@Jamawani
lately, I would agree with your assessment.

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@Jamawani
While there is no argument from me about what you wrote.

I'm just saying there is next to zero chance that Russia will invade the Baltics and start a war with NATO Europe.

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and come to grips with, the US is a rouge nation, hell bent on bringing about Armageddon, in one way or another. The opium trade has exploded since GWB illegally invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban requested GWB provide evidence of OBL's connection to the 9/11 attacks, which has never been provided by anyone.

Afghanistan is home to some very important rare earth minerals much of our technology requires. Why are we building 40 million dollar natural gas, gas stations when most of the entire population of Afghanistan doesn't use vechicles that use natural gas? Mr. Drone Murdering, nobel peace prize didn't get our troops out of Afghanistan as he promised, he escalated our involvement (troop surge) and the destruction continued.

The destruction the US has wrought over the past couple of decades, is coming home to roost. The IMF, a mostly US funded loan shark organization, help build the criminal Russian Oligarchy after the collapse of the Soviet Union, giving away entire sectors of state assets at bargain basement prices.

OBL was funded by the CIA, as Killary testified in congress, "we funded these people twenty years ago. It was a bipartisan effort, lead by democrats", whom I believe, if I remember correctly, was Texas Democrat Charlie Wilson. In fact, it was president Wilson, a democrat, that sent 13,000 American soldiers into Russia, to fight along side the Tzarist army to help cush the Bolshviek revolution, and failed badly. (See William Blum's book, Killing Hope)

The Russian people, unlike the American people, have long memories, especially of betrayal by others.

War, and or the threat of war, is just a jobs program to democrats.

Our military has no business to be in Afganistan. If our troops are being killed in Afghanistan, either directly or indirectly by Russia, we brought it upon ourselves. Those rare earth minerals to both democrats and republicans, belong to us, national soverienty be damned, military casulties don't matter, except to be used as a nationalistic props for more wars.

I don't think people realize we are already engaging in WWIII, it just hasn't gone nuclear, yet. We are already set to upgrade our nuclear arsenal, especially small tactical nukes, over the next decade, that Mr. Drone murdering Peace prize signed legislation to spend a trillion dollars on.

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

why the US should not turn over responsibility for Afghanistan to Russia, Pakistan and China? Let them collectively try to "sort it out"? Our own efforts of over fifteen years seem to have resulted in little of lasting value, and they have cost us a hell of a lot of money.

And why in the world need such a proposition lead to "a dangerous military rivalry"?

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@native

Perhaps because the US PTB plan to nuke Russia, China, Pakistan and other countries, starting with the first two, these being too powerful to invade with conventional military war-crimes? They want an undisputed corporate/military hegemony over what will become the lifeless ruins of Earth so that they can perish themselves, happy in the knowledge that they successfully ensured that nobody else had any money, property, rights, happiness, any possessors of these apparently deemed as having stolen them from Those Who Matter and who should have it all.

However, rather than understanding the probable effects of what they propose, some apparently believe that they'll somehow survive Mutual Assured Destruction and long-term global dimming polishing off what remains of the already-accelerating-in-dying-off oxygen-dependent life on the planet and even have a safe country outside in New Zealand, while others apparently believe that having a recording of their characteristics and memories programmed into robots will enable them to... well, exist forever (since they would therefore not be alive, even if this worked) so that they can spend eternity in a hell of their own creation. Kinda too bad it won't work out as far as their actual existence in this coming hell-on-Earth goes, if the rest of this is allowed to proceed...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.