Ukraine and General Jack D. Ripper
A decade ago a large group of neconservatives lied us into war. They told us that the war was necessary and that the costs would be minimal. The news media endorsed their every claim and were quick to call all of the skeptics on the left anti-American.
They were wrong in every way. They should have been drummed out of polite society.
Instead they were welcomed into the Democratic Party during the Hillary Clinton campaign. Who could have guessed that this would have negative consequences?
Now, with the war in Ukraine, they are back to telling us that a war with Russia is necessary and that the costs would be acceptable.
The only difference this time is that they are endorsing nuclear war.
It is better for the United States to risk confrontation with belligerent powers when they are in the early stages of ambition and expansion, not after they have already consolidated substantial gains. Russia may possess a fearful nuclear arsenal, but the risk of Moscow using it is not higher now than it would have been in 2008 or 2014, if the West had intervened then. And it has always been extraordinarily small…
A month after Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, blood seems to be rushing to all the wrong places across the Commentariat, which has begun in earnest the predictable process of asking the public to dismiss fears of nuclear combat. Headlines of the “We’ll take those odds” variety are springing up everywhere, from the Seattle Times (“Atrocities change the nuclear weapons calculus”) to Radio Free Europe (“Former NATO Commander Says Western Fears Of Nuclear War Are Preventing A Proper Response To Putin”) to Fox (which had on Sean Penn, of all people, to say to Sean Hannity, “Countries that have nuclear weapons can remain intimidated to use them, and we’re seeing that now with our own country”). This is fast becoming a bipartisan consensus. Check out Republican Adam Kinzinger’s recent comment:
If we let nukes prevent us from action then expect literally every country to try to get nukes in next few years
— Adam Kinzinger (@AdamKinzinger) April 12, 2022
Now Biden has accused Russia of "genocide", a condition that pretty much requires a military response.
It's not like the U.S. has ever falsely accused someone of committing genocide before in order to justify an American military response. Like in Kosovo (here and here) or in Libya (here and here).
President Biden labels Putin's invasion of Ukraine a "genocide" for the first time:
"Your family budget, your ability to fill up your tank — none of it should hinge on whether a dictator declares war and commits genocide a half a world away." pic.twitter.com/RlOpN3OpMi
— The Recount (@therecount) April 12, 2022
There is evidence that the U.S. has been much more involved in the war in Ukraine than we've been led to believe, and that the Pentagon is meeting in Ukraine to plan for a long, drawn-out war.
As for those NATO weapons that we are shipping to Ukraine, Russia rightly considers those to be legitimate military targets. So what will be our response when NATO trucks driven by NATO personnel get blown up in Ukraine?
Now Sweden and Finland are making moves toward entering NATO. Sweden doesn't matter that much, but Finland is a HUGE deal. In response Russia has been forced to move military forces to the Finnish border. So much for joining NATO is making Finland safer.
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This statement seems to be pretty black and white.
The neocons have been fomenting war
with Russia for decades. It's been their ultimate raison d'être since they came into existence. I believe they will push to the point of nuclear war rather than lose to Putin.
There will likely be no shortage of targets.
So what is your solution to all of this?
"There is evidence that the U.S. has been much more involved in the war in Ukraine than we've been led to believe, and that the Pentagon is meeting in Ukraine to plan for a long, drawn-out war.
As for those NATO weapons that we are shipping to Ukraine, Russia rightly considers those to be legitimate military targets. So what will be our response when NATO trucks driven by NATO personnel get blown up in Ukraine?
Now Sweden and Finland are making moves toward entering NATO. Sweden doesn't matter that much, but Finland is a HUGE deal. In response Russia has been forced to move military forces to the Finnish border. So much for joining NATO is making Finland safer."
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Russia needs an "out"
Russia needs a way to claim "victory" and save face.
Now is the EXACT worst time to put more NATO on their border.
Putin will not stop or back down until he has
succeeded in freeing the Donbas. He has already put his nuclear forces on high alert.
NATO poses an existential threat to Russia.
I wonder what will be revealed after Russia completes the Mariupol operation in the coming days?
So Sweden and Finland should bow to his bullying
and threats to use nukes and not make a sovereign decision to join NATO for their protection?
I think history will look back at all of this and see mostly capitulation by the West and NATO to a man whose mind is captured by the "glory days" of Russia and doesn't care if he brings his own country down as long as he "gets" what he imagines is his.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Sweden and Finland should act in the best interests
....of their People. That's what good Democracies do.
I disagree with almost everything you just said
I don't know where to start.
Actually I do know where to start: Let's not threaten and make paranoid the guy with all those nuclear weapons. I think that's the best place to start. Let's not ratchet up tensions even further, because, and this may be me being selfish, I'm not ready to die in a giant ball of fire right now.
Maybe you are, and that's cool and everything. But I have a few more things to do.
Secondly, this isn't 1938. This isn't Munich. While every warmonger in the world tells you that it's always Munich in 1938, it never actually is.
Diplomacy is almost always the best way to go. Finland never felt it necessary to join NATO for all these decades. But now, when the Warsaw Pact is no more, it's suddenly necessary? Bullsh*t.
[edit:] I apologize for the excess of sarcasm. That wasn't necessary.
Putin is refusing to negotiate, so how does diplomacy
work in that scenario? He is fixated on the conquering, period. In the meantime, it is Putin's fault that Finland and Sweden are now considering NATO membership. Is it your suggestion that we all just sit tight and hope Putin realizes the errors of his ways? I repeat and will keep saying this...there is nothing that any of the players in all of this have done to justify Putin's war on Ukraine and the wholesale massacre of the Ukrainians. I don't care about 1938. This isn't 1938. This is 2022, and we have an international monster on the march. I haven't seen anything said here that points to solutions for this. Just a lot of historical finger pointing and conspiracy theories. And I have to say that all the great minds of NATO are sure struggling to figure it out too. I personally think that NATO should have figured out how to get some aircraft into Ukraine. It would have helped them tremendously and may have shortened this whole attack. Now, I am fully aware that this is not a popular opinion on this site, but it's also not formulated out of ignorance or "drinking the Kool Aid" as some have suggested, nor am I a Nazi sympathizer, as someone accused me of. I think this whole thing is a unique situation and needs unique solutions. In the meantime we now see the Russian answer to Blackwater, the Wagner Group has a presence in Eastern Ukraine and may have had something to so with the Bucha killings. It's all getting much more complicated and will continue to be so.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Perhaps you have forgotten
that Russia’s incursion was paused several times during the first few weeks of the ‘operation’, specifically to engage in negotiations. These offers to negotiate were instigated by Putin. There was no indication of a willingness to negotiate any substantive matters by Ukraine’s negotiators.
Has Ukraine made any offers to negotiate since then that I may have missed? It takes both sides being willing to discuss concessions for a meaningful negotiation.
[edit to add statement of British mercenary recently captured by Russian forces]
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-da_4ccANE]
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Sure it would have
Guess you haven’t seen how much military equipment we’ve been sending to Ukraine for the last 8 years? And are still being sent. But if you think that if NATO sends some aircraft to Ukraine that would shorten the war then you might be right. That’s pretty much guaranteeing that nuclear weapons start flying.
As for Putin not picking up the phone and talking to Biden’s mouthpieces he tried doing that for 8 years but was ignored. Minsk agreement remember? And before Russia went in to defend itself against NATO Putin did try to find ways to deescalate the situation. HE WAS IGNORED. This isn’t a war between Ukraine and Russia. It’s a proxy war for all the marbles and which country gets to decide how the game is played. It’s why Biden’s sending in billions upon billions in weapons.
You are entitled to your opinion, but not to the facts. If Russia was as bad as you think they are most of Ukraine would be in rubbles and there would be way more civilian deaths.
Russia is trying to end the war that we started 8 years ago without destroying much of the infrastructure. They have said as much. You don’t have to believe that, but it’s what the facts are. Not my facts. The ones you keep ignoring.
The Fourteen Words -
A history lesson for you
(From your posts here I sincerely doubt that you will even read it)
This is what will come from them joining NATO
More tit for tat and then we’re back in the Cuba missile crisis again.
Russia has already put its nuclear weapons on standby because we keep doing war games in their backyard and they don’t want to be caught off guard. Besides it was exactly this kind of crap that Russia has said they’ve had enough of. Funny how many countries suddenly feel that they are threatened by Russia when Russia has watched as NATO has moved in next door in so many countries. Russia says that it has the right to self defense.
Biden could be looking for ways to end the conflict between them, but instead he is throwing gas on the situation and he has the blessings from lots of people who should know better.
Sweden and Finland were NEVER
threatened by Putin's Russia. The originator of this conflict lies with the US and Great Britain which have instigated the escalation of military attacks by Kiev on the Russian speaking civilians of the Donbas since the fall of 2021.
Educate yourself!
They were going to attack the Donbas
during the first week of April. It was one of the reasons why Russia went in on the 24th. They had also just found out about the bio labs and plus Zelensky said that he was going to have nukes in Ukraine again. As Russia has stated it was self defense.
SALON has an article
that goes with the theme of your diary.
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