Tuesday Open Thread: the sea of deception

When we forget that politics is about weaving a fabric of compassion and justice on which everyone can depend, the first to suffer are the most vulnerable among us—our children, our elderly, our mentally ill, our poor, and our homeless. As they suffer, so does the integrity of our democracy. —Parker Palmer

Three words encapsulate a new way of being political as we strive to come home to ourselves as a planetary, cosmic and spiritual species: interdependence, sustainability, and justice. —Diarmuid O’Murchu

We are beginning to understand, amidst the horror and suffering of our divisions, that we will be well to the extent that we move back into relationship with one another, whether as individuals and families or as nations and species. —John Philip Newell

The human heart is the first home of democracy. It is where we embrace our questions. Can we be equitable? Can we be generous? Can we listen with our whole beings, not just our minds, and offer our attention rather than our opinions? —Terry Tempest Williams

Finding a way to not vilify or divide into “them” and “us” in today’s federal politics goes against . . . current custom. . . . So my contemplative practice is to attempt to sit open-handed and listen to the “wee small voice” that sometimes whispers ideas and ways forward. —Simone Campbell

Unfortunately much of the populace has become inured to presidential lying and misstatement, it’s hardly all the current president’s fault.

Deception and misstatement are “as American as Cherry Pie” (to quote H. Rap Brown on violence)—though here perhaps Wwe should say “as American as George Washington’s childhood cherry tree fable.”

Eager for a back-door pretext to enter the war against German fascism (a good thing in the opinion of many), for example, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt lied to Congress and the American people when he claimed that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was “unprovoked” by the U.S. and a complete “surprise” to the U.S. military.

President Dwight Eisenhower flatly lied to the American people and the world when he denied the existence of American U-2 spy plane flights over Russia.

President John F. Kennedy lied about the supposed missile gap between the United States and the Soviet Union. And Kennedy lied when he claimed that the United States sought democracy in Latin America, Southeast Asia and around the world.

President Lyndon Johnson lied on Aug. 4, 1965, when he claimed that North Vietnam attacked U.S. Navy destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin. This provided a false pretext for a massive escalation of the U.S. war on Vietnam, resulting in the deaths of more than 50,000 U.S. military personnel and millions of Southeast Asians.

Regarding Vietnam, Daniel Ellsberg recalled 17 years ago that his 1971 release of the Pentagon Papers exposed U.S. military and intelligence documents “proving that the government had long lied to the country. Indeed, the papers revealed a policy of concealment and quite deliberate deception from the Truman administration onward. … A generation of presidents,” Ellsberg noted, “chose to conceal from Congress and the public what the real policy was. …”

President Richard Nixon lied about wanting peace in Vietnam (his agent, Henry Kissinger, actively undermined a peace accord with Hanoi before the 1968 election) and about respecting the neutrality of Cambodia. He lied through secrecy and omission about the criminal and fateful U.S. bombing of Cambodia—a far bigger crime than the burglarizing of the Democratic Party headquarters in the Watergate complex, about which he of course famously lied.

The serial fabricator Ronald Reagan made a special address to the nation in which he lied by saying, “We did not—repeat—we did not trade weapons or anything else [to Iran] for hostages, nor will we.”

President George H.W. Bush falsely claimed on at least five occasions in the run-up to the 1990-91 Persian Gulf War that Iraqi forces, after invading Kuwait, had pulled babies from incubators and left them to die.

President Bill Clinton shamelessly lied about his White House sexual shenanigans with Monica Lewinsky. He falsely claimed to be upholding international law and to be opposing genocide when he bombed Serbia for more than two months in early 1999.

The serial liar George W. Bush and his administration infamously, openly and elaborately lied about Saddam Hussein’s alleged Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction” and about Iraq’s purported links to al Qaida and the 9/11 jetliner attacks. After the WMD fabrication was exposed, Bush falsely claimed to have invaded Iraq to spread liberty and democracy.

Bill Clinton (subject of a useful Christopher Hitchens book titled “No One Left to Lie To”) and Barack Obama were both silver-tongued corporate-neoliberal Wall Street and Pentagon Democrats who falsely claimed to be progressive friends of working people and the poor. President Obama lied repeatedly, as when he falsely claimed that he would have his Department of Justice investigate and prosecute abusive lenders for cheating and defrauding ordinary homeowners. Obama misrepresented the facts badly when he repeatedly claimed (in what PolitiFact determined to be “The Lie of the Year” in 2013) that, under his Affordable Care Act, “If Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it.”

In a grotesque lie early in his presidency, Obama’s White House claimed that the carnage caused by its bombing of the Afghan village of Bola Boluk (where dozens of children were blown to pieces by U.S. ordnance) had really been inflicted by “Taliban grenades.”

But presidential lies are just the tip of the iceberg.

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Deception Island is a giant cauldron as the caldera of an active volcano. Escape the Arctic cold with a dip into one of the multiple natural hot springs, each of which is surrounded by glaciers, abandoned buildings, and a whole lot of penguins.

A Bath in Deception Island

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Raggedy Ann's picture

I love hot springs and indulge myself whenever I am able. In fact, we have couple friends that we enjoy traveling to hot springs to enjoy. They are even more avid fans than us, plus they have more time and money to explore.

However, I believe I would prefer to stay out of the mouth of a volcano, but on second thought - where are we really safe? When our expiration date comes up, what does it matter? Thoughts to ponder for the day.

Have a beautiful day, everyone! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@Raggedy Ann From another hot springs fan! Iceland is rich with them. Ouray, Colorado is also nice. Had a chuckle with your "expiration date" comment. People seem to identify with traits once belonging only to consumer "goods". Concepts like shelf life, sell-by date, use-by date, market saturation, government warnings, daily recommendations, childproof packaging, etc. seem to have melded into both human and political associations. Kinda funny in a strange way. Wink

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question everything

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Ended up in my room, depressed as hell, and it took my SO almost 14 hours to get me to the point at which I could even leave my room. I nearly deleted all my work, quit Judo, returned my Gallifrey tickets and smashed my computer. (Didn't but it was a near thing for a long time. PTSD and depression are really powerful when they hit hard, and pretending that I'm in control of myself when they happen is just asking for problems.)

So, with that in mind, pulled out of it this morning. New Logos. Paris. And yes, this one is a swipe at modern American Politicians. As well as Troy. And maybe a little of my personal Headcanon about what happened, because I find that post-Homer, I really don't like what a lot of the Greeks have to say about Troy. The Romans are even worse, and modern interpretations just seem to follow their lead.

So, Music, hope everybody's doing good. I'm doing MUCH better.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBRSlhuLLvQ]

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@detroitmechworks

Sound like a VA torture session...don't let the bastards get to you. If it isn't required for your check or something - stop going... cause I can tell from your comments and productivity of late you've been in a good place.

Seek joy, happiness, and contentment and the hell with conflict, despair, and discouragement. As I wrote recently...it is a slippery slope on the downside, and it is much better to spread wings and ride the updraft. Wishing you the best!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout Let's talk specifically about your unit, where you were stationed, let's talk about the episodes that gave you PTSD...

Or as I think of it "Blunt Force Therapy"

I have been in a good place, and I'm amazed how easy it was for the war to smash that almost to zero in less than 2 hours. I kinda do have to go if I want continue receiving help, so there's that. I'm just so tired of so many people thinking that some wounds can be healed by dragging them up enough times. IMHO, that doesn't heal things. It just makes an UGLY scar.

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@detroitmechworks

...how picking at a sore helped it to heal. If you gotta go, you gotta go...but maybe you can flip the table and pick at the therapist sores...they usually have plenty to work on.

Tell me why you went into this business? I don't think you are very good...you make me feel worse every time we have a session. Do you really think reviewing this does me any good or is it just about drawing your salary? and so on... not to be an asshole but to deflect for self preservation. Many therapists are vulnerable due to their own mental instability.

A thought anyway. Hopefully you don't have to go often. Again wishing you the best.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@detroitmechworks when you don't know what is wrong, and you need help. This sounds more like "Brass knuckle" therapy. It's like you get up at 3am to take a leak and you stub your toe real bad. You know what happened. Reliving the event over and over isn't going to heal anything. But, lets do it anyway. Do they do this to provoke something else, a reaction that enables them to take some other action? The other side of "therapy" is they learn what your buttons are, which ones to push.

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@Snode is to "Cure" your PTSD. Although they don't say that, and they don't claim it is the goal, the "Success Stories" are always about a guy who now works a 40 hr a week job, goes to church on sunday and boy howdy is proud to be an american.

Because the first thing they bring up is suicide and if you admit to even having the occasional thought as almost all people do, and it's straight to "Do you have a religion that you use to prevent you killing yourself? I need reasons that you won't kill yourself. No your word isn't good enough. Do you fear punishment?" (Paraphrasing some of it, because I don't have perfect memory, but absolutely how it came across.)

Honestly it felt like the guy was covering his ass, which I understand you HAVE to do if you work with veterans, because if one offs himself, you're on the hook for it if you're his counselor and didn't file the flags.

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@detroitmechworks isn't working too good if their patients are committing suicide. I don't know shit but if you've lost a loved one or child, a sound or smell or song or place can bring it all back. Reliving that over and over every day is usually what needs to be helped. I don't think you can cure that. Somehow you learn to live with it, heal it some, put it in the attic and put as much living as you can between you and it. It sounds like you're doing that. I would think the VA would be encouraged by that. I guess Armed Forces, Inc, wholly owned subsidiery of Mil-Indust LLC doesn't treat it's employees very well.

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@detroitmechworks

Baptist. Once you’re baptized by fire, you’re go to go for the rest of your life. You don’t need a “booster” baptism. Wink

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

@detroitmechworks came Out of it, welcome back to the asylum! People tell me I'm Mal-adjusted to society, I Don't Want to adjust to insanity-THAT would be Insane!
Keep your shit together for you and yours, Bruddah, no other reason to do so.
Thanks for That vid, crazy Buggah ain't he? Can't wait to Blast that at certain people I know. You have my number, call if I can help.

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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@Tall Bald and Ugly Yeah, I really appreciate my family last night. Fortunately I have Judo tonight, and even if my Ride bails again I'm going because I at least was able to pick up a bus pass yesterday. (Honestly don't remember much about the day I was just so concentrated about getting home and then... boom.)

And I find that I love metal covers of pretty much everything, and he's one of the best at it. Smile

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@detroitmechworks

Sounds like others here have given you good advice. Smile I sure enjoy all of that beauty pouring out of you these days.

Welcome back.

The therapist is indeed a mother fucker!

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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@mhagle It was the only thing that really got me through. (Had a whole discussion with my SO last night on where I was taking certain things. I was worried that I was over representing non-monogamy but she said she didn't feel I brought it up enough.)

I know he's doing his job, but the only people who get the job of dealing with PTSD vets are vets who got along with the system. We have a fundamental disconnect in our relationship to the US and the Army.

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interesting

During his prime time address at Netroots on Thursday evening, Tom Steyer, the billionaire environmentalist, admonished congressional Democrats for not embracing the push to impeach Trump.

It seemed like a safe play: a sop to a room full of progressive activists who despise the president but aren’t particularly in love with elected Democrats. And yet, the applause was tepid. One man—perhaps the lone heckler all week—screamed back to the stage: “What’s your plan?”

Shortly thereafter, Steyer sat in a small hotel conference room with reporters, an Arnold Palmer in front of him, and acknowledged that his message hadn’t quite clicked. The people in the room, he explained, were “unquestionably in favor of impeachment” but they were skeptical about the prospects of getting it done. Later, he implicitly conceded that they had a point.

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charitable quotes. Somebody once said that "politics is the art of the possible", a purely process oriented statement. As such, it neatly side steps the question of cui bono. That is perhaps all for the best. Wink

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

impotant moment for Dems

The Democrats, however, remain a mystery. We watch them hesitate at crucial moments, betray the movements that support them, and even try to suppress the leaders and ideas that generate any kind of populist electricity. Not only do they seem uninterested in doing their duty toward the middle class, but sometimes we suspect they don’t even want to win.

(This is more than just a suspicion, by the way. As none other than Tony Blair has said, “I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.”)

Still, as we are reminded at every turn, this flawed organization is the only weapon we have against the party of Trump. And as the president’s blunders take a turn for the monumental and public alarm grows, the imperative of delivering a Democratic wave this fall grows ever more urgent.

Make no mistake: it has got to happen. Democrats simply have to take one of the houses of Congress this fall and commence holding Trump accountable. Failure at this baseline mission is unthinkable; it will mean the Democratic party has no reason for being, even on its own compromised terms.

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@gjohnsit

“Failure at this baseline mission is unthinkable; it will mean the Democratic Party has no reason for being, even on its own compromised terms.”

Exactly! There is no reason for the Democrats except for window dressing.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"