and looked at the ridiculous demonizing cc99% comments. That was entertaining and made me giggle. I'm impressed that you know how to use the search function there. I didn't even have to log in. Whew! I'm really glad that we don't get more then a few Democratic Clinton proselytizer's coming over here to convert us using fear the Trump. Far left my ass. Had to laugh as some think we're right winger's and some think we're all hard leftist Trot's. Then again some say we're Hillary hating Puma's which seems to be quite a twisty knot. It was interesting as I have not been there in months and even before that just followed links from here. Nasty place nasty people.
Beyond the self-created brain drain, those who couldn't handle the echoed odours of the sewer climbed out to places like this, leaving mostly (some noble and strong-stomached souls still remain to fight a rear-guard action,) those it suited in possession.
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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
If he is doing it legally through loop holes created by our elected officials then he has done nothing wrong.
That's the point that gets left out of this. Hillary attacked him about his specific tax return but he is only one of many who use special credits, loop holes, tax rates, etc. that are created for these billionaires by our elected officials at our expense.
I too would be foolish not to claim my legal deductions.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
If it were a legit donation she would have been out the money but had about $400,000 knocked off her tax bill (assuming a top rate of 39.6 %), so all told she would be out of pocket $600,000 for the donation.
But since she didn't actually give the money away, she keeps the million PLUS she gets the tax break. so instead of being out 600k she's up a total of 1.4 mil. - a $2 million swing the other way.
So in actuality she gets a twice as big a windfall as the $1 mil. cut in her tax bill claimed by the meme.
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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
If he is doing it legally through loop holes created by our elected officials then he has done nothing wrong.
That's the point that gets left out of this. Hillary attacked him about his specific tax return but he is only one of many who use special credits, loop holes, tax rates, etc. that are created for these billionaires by our elected officials at our expense.
I too would be foolish not to claim my legal deductions.
He would long since have been prosecuted for illegal tax evasion if he had been doing so.
Anybody can call the irs and report an individual for tax fraud.
One thing I would never consider is running for President if I was a tax cheat.
Al Capone would agree.
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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Why? Because every year he gets caught cheating. Then the IRS issues a finding and a bill for taxes due. Then Trump sends in an army of lawyers, overwhelming the underfunded IRS. Then Trump gets friendly, well-paid Congresscritters to write nasty letters to the IRS, threatening investigations. Then the IRS settles for pennies on the dollar.
as Not Henry Kissinger pointed out last time, you need better graphics. Loadsa humorless verbiage that reduces the graphic to the point of pointlessness does not help.
Please feel free to cross-post there in addition to here and TPW.
Common Dreams summarizes the debate fairly well, I think. Trump doesn't freak me out as perhaps he does many others. He's obnoxious, the Tea Party loves him as they did Ted Cruz. Clinton should be thankful Cruz isn't her opponent.
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One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
i don't think Trump is illegally paying no taxes, the problem is he espouses tax cuts for Wealthy and wealthy corporations who pay little to no tax as a means to boost the economy, problem is they can only use so many tax cuts, thus how will this boost the economy? Unless we go back to the 80s when corps were allowed to barter their tax credits amongst each other I don't see any economic benefit.
Hillary is not proposing the trickle down economics as Trump. I think that is clear. With that said it certainly doesn't mean she won't enrich the rich in many other ways, because she has to win a 2nd term to be considered a successful president and of course that requires money (due to her anti progressive politics) from the wealthy.
Continued to HR'd anything we wrote about Hillary that showed her in a bad light and told us that we weren't wanted there so we left and I haven't seen anyone from here gone back there to take dumps in their diaries.
Yet quite a few DK members come here to take a dump on this site.
How childish.
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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
That's just not true, I defend Stein at Dkos. I have actually read essays here bragging on dumping onto DKos which I have no problem with.
Why is it so awful for you to read a anti trump essay from time to time?
Our government has legal loopholes that allow people like him to do that. the Clintons certainly didn't try changing that last time they were in office. Why would they this time?
If I paid taxes, I would do everything I could to avoid paying them. Not because I don't want to fund good causes, but because I know that my tax money would be used to pay for another batch of dead civilians in some foreign country.
We are being taxed without representation. Trump (and hundreds of other multi-billionaires) are being represented with no taxation.
why pay taxes when you can find elite loopholes? Why pay taxes when it is just going to be squandered for shit like wars and drones? Why pay taxes when most corporations in America don't. Why pay taxes when my boss pays less in taxes than I do as an employee?
Why pay taxes when the Clintons can cheat humanity.
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CA Democrat
Here are the links to this pile of junk & their fixation with us
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/1575197#comment_63628556
http://www.dailykos.com/search?comment_type=&search_type=search_comments...
You don't have to look. Just know that they're there.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I followed the links dkmich
and looked at the ridiculous demonizing cc99% comments. That was entertaining and made me giggle. I'm impressed that you know how to use the search function there. I didn't even have to log in. Whew! I'm really glad that we don't get more then a few Democratic Clinton proselytizer's coming over here to convert us using fear the Trump. Far left my ass. Had to laugh as some think we're right winger's and some think we're all hard leftist Trot's. Then again some say we're Hillary hating Puma's which seems to be quite a twisty knot. It was interesting as I have not been there in months and even before that just followed links from here. Nasty place nasty people.
Beyond the self-created brain
Beyond the self-created brain drain, those who couldn't handle the echoed odours of the sewer climbed out to places like this, leaving mostly (some noble and strong-stomached souls still remain to fight a rear-guard action,) those it suited in possession.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Trump is a tax dodging asshole
Agreed.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Just out of curiosity, would you pay more taxes than you HAD to?
I mean, not that I am a Trump fan, but I sure as hell take every deduction that I can finagle...
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Didn't watch a minute!
I can't stand the sound of either voice, and I have been hearing the same lies for at least two years. Why would I bother watching?
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
That depends
If he is doing it legally through loop holes created by our elected officials then he has done nothing wrong.
That's the point that gets left out of this. Hillary attacked him about his specific tax return but he is only one of many who use special credits, loop holes, tax rates, etc. that are created for these billionaires by our elected officials at our expense.
I too would be foolish not to claim my legal deductions.
Glass Shelters...
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Of course $1 million in charitable contributions
Of course $1 million in charitable contributions does not get you a $1 million tax credit. Only a deduction that reduces your taxable income.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
But she also kept the $ 1 mil.
If it were a legit donation she would have been out the money but had about $400,000 knocked off her tax bill (assuming a top rate of 39.6 %), so all told she would be out of pocket $600,000 for the donation.
But since she didn't actually give the money away, she keeps the million PLUS she gets the tax break. so instead of being out 600k she's up a total of 1.4 mil. - a $2 million swing the other way.
So in actuality she gets a twice as big a windfall as the $1 mil. cut in her tax bill claimed by the meme.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Thanks Not H K
It's good to remind everyone that $hillary really is not a better alternative to anything.
thank you times ten :)
let's not forget who the biggest cheat is.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
That depends
If he is doing it legally through loop holes created by our elected officials then he has done nothing wrong.
That's the point that gets left out of this. Hillary attacked him about his specific tax return but he is only one of many who use special credits, loop holes, tax rates, etc. that are created for these billionaires by our elected officials at our expense.
I too would be foolish not to claim my legal deductions.
Good grief.
He would long since have been prosecuted for illegal tax evasion if he had been doing so.
Anybody can call the irs and report an individual for tax fraud.
One thing I would never consider is running for President if I was a tax cheat.
Al Capone would agree.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Trump claimed he's been audited 15 years straight
Why? Because every year he gets caught cheating. Then the IRS issues a finding and a bill for taxes due. Then Trump sends in an army of lawyers, overwhelming the underfunded IRS. Then Trump gets friendly, well-paid Congresscritters to write nasty letters to the IRS, threatening investigations. Then the IRS settles for pennies on the dollar.
Standard operating procedure for the .01%.
CA Democrat
as Not Henry Kissinger pointed out last time, you need better graphics. Loadsa humorless verbiage that reduces the graphic to the point of pointlessness does not help.
If the Clinton Campaign are still up, say hi.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
And if the GOS is Still Up
Please feel free to cross-post there in addition to here and TPW.
Common Dreams summarizes the debate fairly well, I think. Trump doesn't freak me out as perhaps he does many others. He's obnoxious, the Tea Party loves him as they did Ted Cruz. Clinton should be thankful Cruz isn't her opponent.
One equal temper of heroic hearts, Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will. To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.--Tennyson
i don't think Trump is
i don't think Trump is illegally paying no taxes, the problem is he espouses tax cuts for Wealthy and wealthy corporations who pay little to no tax as a means to boost the economy, problem is they can only use so many tax cuts, thus how will this boost the economy? Unless we go back to the 80s when corps were allowed to barter their tax credits amongst each other I don't see any economic benefit.
unlike Hillary, Shopkeeper2?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Hillary is not proposing the
Hillary is not proposing the trickle down economics as Trump. I think that is clear. With that said it certainly doesn't mean she won't enrich the rich in many other ways, because she has to win a 2nd term to be considered a successful president and of course that requires money (due to her anti progressive politics) from the wealthy.
the corporations do the same thing
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Have YOU forgotten
YOU people have already told us the Orange Man is:
A rapist
A fascist
A racist
A pervert
A thief
A liar
A clown
A bully
And YOU think telling us he's a Tax Cheat is going to pull YOUR candidate ahead in the swing states?
Lordy, YOU do have a foolishly hopeful outlook on the electorates ability to give a rats ass what the duopoly does.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Why do you keep posting this trash here?
Daily Kos isn't enough for you? Your crap makes me miss the HR button. Go back to ToP and take your Hillary gig with you.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Amazing, isn't it that some of the members of DK
Continued to HR'd anything we wrote about Hillary that showed her in a bad light and told us that we weren't wanted there so we left and I haven't seen anyone from here gone back there to take dumps in their diaries.
Yet quite a few DK members come here to take a dump on this site.
How childish.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
That's just not true, I
That's just not true, I defend Stein at Dkos. I have actually read essays here bragging on dumping onto DKos which I have no problem with.
Why is it so awful for you to read a anti trump essay from time to time?
We dont care
about Trump's taxes ! However I think hillary's emails and or the transcripts from her speeches might generate some interest.
totally agree that Trump is no good!
that's why I'm going to vote for someone else, who happens to be a woman, this election!
So what if he dodges taxes?
Our government has legal loopholes that allow people like him to do that. the Clintons certainly didn't try changing that last time they were in office. Why would they this time?
If I paid taxes, I would do everything I could to avoid paying them. Not because I don't want to fund good causes, but because I know that my tax money would be used to pay for another batch of dead civilians in some foreign country.
We are being taxed without representation. Trump (and hundreds of other multi-billionaires) are being represented with no taxation.
Paying taxes the law says you owe and not a penny more is not
dodging taxes. It's complying with tax laws.
Technicalities. N/T
And use the money saved to
And use the money saved to donate to/purchase politicians/policy... (Edit: and 'favours', among other things.)
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Gotta admit
why pay taxes when you can find elite loopholes? Why pay taxes when it is just going to be squandered for shit like wars and drones? Why pay taxes when most corporations in America don't. Why pay taxes when my boss pays less in taxes than I do as an employee?
Why pay taxes when the Clintons can cheat humanity.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
I think you know: Trump never said that.
If you have to pretend he said something he never said to make your point, maybe it's not actually a point at all?
BTW, Do you knowingly pay more taxes than the law says you owe? Or do you take advantage of every deduction, etc. the law affords you?
Hint: I'll believe a yes answer only to the second question.