Trump is a Russian Agent

Talk about scoring a big one, Pooty-poot has just had one of is KGB agents win the White House. It's no secret that Trump has shown an affinity for Vladimir, a boy crush so to speak. But now, we understand from the Washington Post, that Vladimir and his merry band of hackers helped Trump win.

Now anyone with a keen sense of smell, can already pick up the aroma of kaviar and Vodka from DJT. From his withheld tax documents showing Russian transactions to his recent pick of Russia's "Order of Friendship" medal winner Rex Tillerson of Exxon Mobil, Pres to be Donnie is ass deep in borscht.

Now I know what you're thinking, Blueslide is drinking too much of the DKos Kool aid. He has fallen for the Dem trap that Hillary should be President, by any means necessary. Well no, not really. But this meme about Trump as a Russian troll deserves all the airplay and column inches it can get. Our birther President deserves no less and whether the evidence of this frame up comes together or not, no one deserves to suffer from an unsubstantiated allegation more than Donald J Trump.

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riverlover's picture

because he might...pass them on to our enemy(?!) Russia.

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The Red Scare is on.
Not to worry. Our own government will kill you long before those sneaky communists get here.
I'm off to find a new hiding place as Trump is under my bed, the evil monkey is in the closet, and the russians are at the front door.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Putin was blamed for Brexit. The EU has blamed Putin for the Libyan refugee crisis--also the ISIS attacks in France. And now Hillary blamed anti-fracking protests on Putin. The NYTimes claimed that Putin was behind the anti-TPP movement.

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But this meme about Trump as a Russian troll deserves all the airplay and column inches it can get.

From the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to the crazy American neocons, there are too many people trying to stir up war fever against Russia. I'm not that excited about nuclear winter, etc.

Find some other reasons--and there are plenty--to criticize Trump other than this CIA-fed crap.

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You mean they're finally going to get serious about global warming?

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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"Dinosaurs"? That's pretty much it right there.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

"Not the Mama! Not the Mama!" ... BLAM!

The anti-fascist subtext went mostly unnoticed -- i guess cuz they were just, like, dinosaurs, y'know?

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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was so uncomfortable with it.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

PriceRip's picture

· · · no one deserves to suffer from an unsubstantiated allegation more than Donald J Trump.

     I couldn't care less about Donald J. Trump, but I do care about my credibility.

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And no, it doesn't deserve "AirPlay". It's just another crap story put out by the Masters of the Universe to manipulate the ignorant.

It's also a preamble to clamp down on the Internet while ramping up War mongering against Russian interests because our interests are more important.

Stop doing their work for them.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Dark Knight's picture

net neutrality by March.

"Damn those plebeians and their underground news!"

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Pretty sure they are well represented inthe new Trump administration.

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Lily O Lady's picture

why they're Masters of the Universe.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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The all encompassing nature of the word "Universe". Smile

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

You mean like all the unsubstantiated evidence against hrc. Oh wait she nor the dnc ever denied the content of the WikiLeaks only that it was the Russians. Na Zdorovie!

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joe shikspack's picture

But this meme about Trump as a Russian troll deserves all the airplay and column inches it can get.

if you do, just keep peddling this pitiful bullshit.

when people spread obvious, baseless smears like the crap you've posted - which hillary's campaign and her mccarthyite democrat buddies have dutifully pasted all over the public square - it creates sympathy for the donald.

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...you just dont get it.

Donald Trump is a fascist. He doesn't need any memes help to start a nuke war for christ sakes. With him as POTUs its only a matter of time before he gets his feelings hurt and pushes the button.

As a progressive, I recommend you recognize the enemy and figure out a way to defeat him or her. Otherwise you are just creating your own echo chamber of anti Clintonism without any meaning or focus. There is no correct way to stop a fascist.

I guess we can all play nice and hope for the best ?

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With him as POTUs its only a matter of time before he gets his feelings hurt and pushes the button.

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No other explanation needed.

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          Ha, Ha, Cartoon Reality versus Real Reality. The launch protocol is a bit more involved than you intimate.

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players between Trump and a nuclear launch ?

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He would become immediately confused when confronted with the challenge code issued by the senior officer in the Pentagon war room. He'd need help opening the laminated card containing the challenge code answer because his fingers are too short.

Then, the order would be stifled because he had to take an important call from the President of Lower Botslavia concerning the ribbon cutting for his newest hotel. By the time he was done he would have calmed down and decided to take a nice tanning bath with his daughter. Then-- time for dinner!

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          I am at a loss for words. So, I will quit the field · · ·

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Anja Geitz's picture

Knowing what you know. Smile

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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Obama selected his entire cabinet from a list Wall Street gave him. Where was the outrage from progressives then? I loathe the hypocrisy you are espousing. The Democrats have done shit for the last 8 years stopping fraking, dumping fraking waste water in the gulf, using "treated" fraking waste water to irrigate California's crops while Nestles steals potable drinking water from our lakes. And now I'm supposed to sound the alarms that Trump is the fascist for wanting to do the same thing?

No, YOU don't "get it".

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Agree with you on those same points.

The sudden outrage that Trump is the fascist, while willfully blind and oblivious the last 8 years is already getting quite old.

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you crack me up. there's been a fascist in the white house for the last 8 years (not to mention those that preceded the current fascist) - and you probably support him and will likely brook no criticism of the corporate whore with:

  • a "kill list" that he updates on "terror tuesdays"
  • arrogated authority to assassinate or imprison indefinitely without charge, anyone (including us citizens) anytime, anywhere on the globe
  • a vast spying network that hoovers up everyone's electronic communications
  • a thug army of militarized police that have brutalized peaceful protesters from zuccotti park to ferguson, missouri to standing rock
  • a get out of jail free card for any bankster or corporate criminal that took it upon themselves to destroy the us economy for private gain

there's more, but i'll stop there.

pardon me if i sneer while partisans get all huffy about the fascist that is moving into the white house.

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There is no difference between Obama and Trump.

You start by falsely accusing me of being an Obama supporter but of course we are not talking about me in the first place are we ?
Nice ad hominem head fake.

I swear to God, you are all so busy hating on Obama and Clinton, you give Trump a pass. The guy has got to go, and he has to go now. Get it ?

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if some largish group of partisans, say with a serious platform to project their ideas and have them heard by mainstream culture had stood up against fascism years ago, we might have inoculated the body politic against some moron like trump. at least he would have been unlikely to have had a fascist opponent like hillary clinton.

thanks for all you do to stop fascism.

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You are going to repeat "I told you so" with smug satisfaction every time some shit storm is created in Washington ? Because you know, it's been going on for eight years or whatever with Democrats so Trump is just the logical extension ?

- So when Trump cuts social security, it's all good because Obama and Clinton wanted to too ?
- When Trump starts locking up protesters, or using concussion grenades etc on them its ok, because Obama did too right ?
- When Trump goes full speed ahead with producing and burning fossil fuels, who gives a shit because Obama didn't do much and Hillary would have allowed fracking and the Keystone pipeline.

Pardon me if i don't find any value in your "We're all doomed - I told ya so" posts.

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pardon me if i don't find any value in your "fascists are in the woodpile and under the bed, so let's spread a bunch of specious propaganda," posts.

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When Trump goes full speed ahead with producing and burning fossil fuels, who gives a shit because Obama didn't do much

Obama outperformed Sarah Drill-Baby-Drill Palin. He also put enough pipeline in place to go around the world more than once (probably twice by now).

Remarks by the President on American-Made Energy
So today, I’ve come to Cushing, an oil town -- (applause) -- because producing more oil and gas here at home has been, and will continue to be, a critical part of an all-of-the-above energy strategy. (Applause.)

Now, under my administration, America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years. (Applause.) That's important to know. Over the last three years, I’ve directed my administration to open up millions of acres for gas and oil exploration across 23 different states. We’re opening up more than 75 percent of our potential oil resources offshore. We’ve quadrupled the number of operating rigs to a record high. We’ve added enough new oil and gas pipeline to encircle the Earth and then some.

So we are drilling all over the place -- right now. That’s not the challenge. That's not the problem. In fact, the problem in a place like Cushing is that we’re actually producing so much oil and gas in places like North Dakota and Colorado that we don’t have enough pipeline capacity to transport all of it to where it needs to go -- both to refineries, and then, eventually, all across the country and around the world. There’s a bottleneck right here because we can’t get enough of the oil to our refineries fast enough. And if we could, then we would be able to increase our oil supplies at a time when they're needed as much as possible.

Now, right now, a company called TransCanada has applied to build a new pipeline to speed more oil from Cushing to state-of-the-art refineries down on the Gulf Coast. And today, I'm directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bureaucratic hurdles, and make this project a priority, to go ahead and get it done. (Applause.)

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Some of his promises even went the opposite way. That's why same-old, same-old, coat-tail riding Hillary Clinton was shown the door.
Trump, as an outsider, got elected because he pissed on both sides. Bernie, also an outsider, would have stood a much better chance going up against Trump. The electorate was fed up with both parties and used Trump as a big FUCK YOU to the status quo.

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But I'm sure the big middle finger by voting Trump was a real bad play.

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It just might shake up the system enough to make room for a third party.
A president on his own can't do much politically other than smallish tweeks. Trump was a blowhard. He has already backtracked on many of his plans.
He also won't destroy Obama Care. That program is the lifeline of half the private healthcare industry. Without it, many of these companies would have gone under.

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To carry it one step further in that spirit, we could declare Trump a terrorist and lock him up in Gitmo.

I don't think c99 gives Trump a pass. The provided tool to take him out is the theoretical opposition party. Unfortunately, they are so entrenched at the all you an eat table that we can't pry them away to do their job. If you think the Democrats are going to fight Trump, think again. Show me any organized opposition to him beside Jill Stein, and I'll be glad to listen. Trump is a nightmare. A bigger nightmare than could have been predicted or imagined. If there is any way to subvert the lunatic, I'm in. I just don't see it.

If you're serious about labeling Trump a Russian agent true or not, I don't think anyone would take you seriously no matter how loud you screamed. If they did, is that just adding fuel to the fire that the Democrats and Republicans started? Trump is doing one hell of a job of burning everything he touches to the ground.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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"It's all good because her heinous would have done it too." The problem is that the American people have allowed things to get this far - allowing horrific candidates to be served up to us on a silver platter and then choosing a buffoon like The Donald. Her heinous would have just as heinous a cabinet. We are doomed, either way. The oligarchy is fully in charge - a fact often missed by most Americans, STILL.

The reason the dems will not look in the mirror is because it involves giving up their gravy train (think Pelosi declaring no change is being called for by the constituents). When the rethugs looked in the mirror, they actually came up with a great propaganda plan to look like the benevolent ones. It obviously worked!

As much as you don't want to admit joe is right, he is. The same shit would be coming through Congress with her in charge. The only difference would probably be that she would have given some push back before folding, which she intended to do anyway. Makes for good theatre, though.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

It would be better to oppose him with pure bullshit, then not oppose him at all. We are already seeing the Republicans coalescing around their new President. All I am hearing here is, well we can't support this type of opposition because it is beneath us. Or it props up a meme about evil Russians...or my favorite, Trump hasn't had the opportunity to be President so how do you know what he is going to do.

It's about time we started getting sharp elbows. I'm not interested in talking about the Dems being bought. I am interested in stopping Trump from being able to do anything in office. I want to get in his way and have him spend his time and resources fending off attacks so he can't get any of his agenda enacted.

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Manufactured by the same people who manufacture all the other bullshit they feed to us for the purpose of manipulating the electorate.

It's called agit prop.

So, why die on this hill when there will be a shitload of REAL things to fight against?

Me thinks you doth protest too much...

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Or don't want to get it because you have closed your eyes to what Obama and the democrats have done these last 8 years.
You aren't interested in the democrats being bought? Why the hell not? You don't realize that if Obama and the democrats had pushed for legislation that helped main stream Americans then the chance of Trump being elected would have been slim.
They sat back and did nothing while 4 million people lost their homes even though there was evidence that the banks were deliberately screwing people out of their homes. When Obama created the HAMP program that was to help people stay in their homes, the banks wer foreclosing on people even when they were doing what they needed to keep them, and Obama knew about that yet did nothing to stop their criminal behavior.
Income inequality has gone up under Obama's watch and many people have told you about the actions he took and didn't take, yet you keep ignoring them.

How the hell do you think we are going to be able to oppose Trump when during the health care debates, millions of people wrote, called and signed petitions to get single payer or the public option included in the bill, yet the democrats ignored us.
The democrats let fucking Lieberman keep his position on his cabinet post when they could have threatened him to get behind them if he wanted to keep it. You remember what Lieberman did, right? He campaigned AGAINST OBAMA during the election.
And apparently both OBAMA and the democrats didn't have a problem with that.
So tell us how you expect people to oppose what Trump is going to do when we couldn't even get the democrats to do what we wanted.
Tell us your plan, oh wise one that's going to stop Trump.

Not one person has said that we can't support this type of opposition because it's beneath us.

We don't have any say about what our government does and you damn well know that.
So if you want to oppose Trump then you should have written this to the democrats instead of the people on this website.
It's up to the democrats to do their fucking jobs and stop rolling over for the republicans.
Republicans can place holds and use the filibuster to stop anything that the democrats wanted to pass when the democrats were in the majority, but the democrats don't even try to stop the republicans from passing bad legislation. Ask yourself why they don't find their own spines.
If you are so concerned about Trump using nuclear weapons, why were you silent when Obama and NATO started surrendering Russia in over 20 countries and installing missle defense shields?
Why did you stay silent while Obama was continuing PNAC's goals in the Middle East by illegally using drones in 7 now 8 countries, destroyed both Libya and Syria on false pretenses?
If you didn't complain about any of these actions then you are nothing but a hypocrite because it's now Trump who is going to do the same things Obama has been doing his entire tenure.
Last thing.
Why was Obama working so hard for 7 years to create and pass the TPP that would have given more power to the corporations and hurt American workers even more than NAFTA did?

I patiently await your answers to my questions.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

The only reason I don't want to talk about Democrats being bought is because its obvious they are. And while I should be looking to Democrats (a party I have never joined) to be a party of opposition they are inept.

I advocated for Bernie and was tossed at DKos for doing so. I ha e consistently advo cated Democratic Socialism, universal healthcare, a living wage and peace. The one very helpful comment I read here is that the meme about demonizing Trump by suggesting Russian ties may promote warring with Russia.

I don't pretend to know all the answers. What I do know is that promoting a possibly false meme about Trumps relationship to Russia and Putin has made me the target of derision and earned me the badge of Hilbot and troll. Few have suggested how they would oppose Trump but I am all ears.

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divineorder's picture

the reality we continue to face in this country. That causes short tempers and abrupt responses.

asdf, I have been searching for and looking at actions going forward of to oppose not only Trump but Neolibs of all political stripes everywhere in the world, including here.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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about Trump's relationship with Russia is that it gets the country to give the military their support for a war with Russia.
IMO, that has been what they have been doing even before Hillary lost the election.
As I wrote above, plans are already in action for a war with Russia and have been in affect since last year.
That's what our government does. They spread false memes or propaganda so people think it's okay for military actions.
Remember Babies being thrown out of incubators? 1st Gulf war.
Saddam has WMDs? 2nd Gulf war
Gaddafi is beating the people who are protesting against him and locking up journalists? Libyan war
Assad used sarin gas on his own people? Syrian war

I wish there was a way to oppose Trump and who he is putting in his cabinet, but I don't think he's calling the shots.
With either Donald or Hillary we were going to get more wars and more austerity measures anyway.
Hillary probably would have protected social issues and abortion rights on the federal level, but it's the state's who are pushing for strict abortion laws.
There have been a few essays here about the Deep State and I've written about them and provided links to them.
What is going to happen under his presidency has been planned for decades.
The only thing that will get their attention is for millions of people to get in the streets and protest, but that will be very bloody because as we've seen at the DAPL protests, the elites have no problem hiring private mercenaries to stop the protests.
The mercenaries at DAPL wer Tiger Swan.
Google them to see what they are allowed to do.
And remember that not one government official said anything when they let attack dogs bite unarmed people.
If people decide to rise up against the elites, they will be ready for it. That's why they militarized the police and have let them practice on the BLM and at DAPL.
And they wanted to see the response from Americans. Look at how many people approved of their actions.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

I noticed a wrench with DAPL.

Oddly, it was probably bound to happen sooner or later...with the decades of pointless wars, and a few stories of disaffected veterans of those wars cropping up here and there over the years, where the soldier came to realize they had been played, all of a sudden, those disaffected found each other and collaborated. Several thousand banded together and migrated to ND to shore up support for the oppressed.

That poses a dilemma, as soldiers and veterans have been glorified for purposes of perpetuating the 'fighting for freedom' meme over the course of those same decades. It would be difficult to explain away a sudden pummeling of those same veterans, hence a brief stay in the atrocities...undoubtedly to formulate a strategy of how to deal with this oddity.

I'm curious how this sort of thing plays out down the road, if the veterans will take note and start lending this same sort of support to other brutalized protests? Then what will be the policing strategies toward them? How will their tactics evolve? They can't bend too much, else the effectiveness of their squelching dissent will evaporate completely. But, if they go all-out vs. a throng of veterans, that will escalate nation-wide outrage against the disrespect and brutalization of our 'heroes'.

That wrench is interesting for sure and I'm still wondering whether and/or how this will play going forward.

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Amazed anyone is still reading the WashPost, Jeff's Journal is what I call it now. And his "work" with the CIA, what a great team for one of the nation's "leading" newspapers. Be great when WashPost and NYTimes both cease their operations.
Would rather read and reread The Jabberwocky.

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you dropped this turd here.
You are going to correct what's wrong with c99!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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rubbing cyber elbows with all the unwashed.
If dripping condescension will make us more and better fake newsies, we are well on our way to standing corrected!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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Nobody needs someone who spews fear.
The difference between you and many here, is that you will happily promote a view that fits your and many democratic views.
We're not afraid. You can stop trying to goad us into it.
And congrats. You've succeeded in convincing me you have nothing more to say of any importance on this discussion.
C-ya.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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The Rise of a ‘Democratic’ Fascism
March 2, 2015

Traditional fascism is defined as a right-wing political system run by a dictator who prohibits dissent and relies on repression. But some analysts believe a new form of fascism has arisen that has a democratic façade and is based on relentless propaganda and endless war, as journalist John Pilger describes.

By John Pilger

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

That was not what was stated.

Merely, Obama is already a fascist...so the statement you are replying is accurate. And there is a difference too. Obama is directly responsible for killing innocent people, yet Trump so far, has not.

So your, "Trump must go now!" is also a bit disingenuous if you have not been hammering that point about Obama for the last 8 years. So far, Trump has done nothing near as egregious as Obama.

While I have no love for Trump, at this point I am not quivering in my boots because the guy hasn't done anything other than spout numerous and contradictory statements; I don't really know what's going to happen with him.

Sure, his appointments so far are not encouraging, but contrary to popular belief I don't believe he is utterly stupid. It could just be appeasement to the 'establishment' to avoid faithless electors, of which there are already rumblings. But there are several things he has said (and there is no guarantee they will come to fruition), about tearing up executive orders, turning some of the oligarchy nightmare on its head, repairing Russian/Cold War 2.0 relations, extracting the military from pointless war, that if his administration follows through with even a smidgen of that, I might even call that a decent success and an improvement over Obama.

Sure, there may also be some damage in this country, in various areas, but considering the devastation we've incurred under Obama and Bush, well, a continuing trend down that same road can't really be blamed on Trump alone...that was gonna happen with any other establishment puppet as well. It's expected at this point.

But at this point, nobody knows what's going to happen with Trump, so exclaiming sudden outrage and "he must go!" before he even arrives, is almost laughable considering where we've been with the last two administrations.

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as you go on to imply with your post.

but considering the devastation we've incurred under Obama and Bush, well, a continuing trend down that same road can't really be blamed on Trump alone

But this ?

But at this point, nobody knows what's going to happen with Trump, so exclaiming sudden outrage and "he must go!" before he even arrives, is almost laughable considering where we've been with the last two administrations.

Really ? His "accomplishments" are very clear and his agenda has been stated repeatedly.

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O should've closed Gitmo, stopped the war in Iraq, stopped fracking, given us single payer, let OWS, BLM, DAPL protests go on in peace, put bankers in jail, put torturers in jail, stop torturing, etc.etc.etc.

"Really ? His "accomplishments" are very clear and his agenda has been stated repeatedly."

Oh ya clowngress

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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because I'm not going to support impeachment hearings against Trump because of this bullshit "news" story? You've got to be kidding me, right?

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I believe that, anyway.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Anja Geitz's picture

Rumor has it that a cloak of blackmail and hit men have been put into place to hide the rampant degeneracy going on with impunity inside the Beltway. He goes down for rape, everyone goes down. And the fact that I don't know if I should put a snark tag at the end of that should tell you how cynical the electorate has become.

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sojourns's picture

but I'd be surprised if what you are saying isn't true. Sadly, I think the judge is going to let the clock run out on this one. Lotta dirty players with a lot of money. No problem for them to find ice cold men with double y chromosomes and a like minded bent towards psychopathy to take care of business.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Deja's picture

You want President Pence? You think he's better than Trump? Sure, he's not on Twitter at 3am, but the guy is an extremely tightly wound religious puritan (hypocrit), who'd love nothing more than going back to the good old days where women and minorities knew their place, and to play a personal role in the biblical apocalypse.

Fuck that shit! We all better hope nothing happens to Trump!

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Thought I was responding to the author until I hit save, then I couldn't get site to respond for an edit. Hopefully it will allow this post.

I still think Trump is safer bet than Pence, though.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Trump University was a pretty disgusting bit of fraud.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Deja's picture

You bots had your chance, but your candidate was so pathetically weak, The Clinton Machine lied, cheated and stole the nomination form the only candidate who had any chance at all against your boogie man.

Embrace the suck, because you and Her Heinous built this.

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And clearly I supported her over Sanders.?

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Deja's picture

And you said Trump has to go, like the butthurts out chanting it in the streets, like him going anywhere is actually a thing outside death or criminal conviction. And if either of those two things happens, we're way more fucked than now.

Pence is way more dangerous to women, minorities and world peace than Trump. Trump needs to stay, and in four years needs to be replaced by a Bernie type, not a neolib or neocon. Of course, that won't happen unless we have a choice other than from the two lib/con parties, and can prevent what happened in the primary rip off.

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Big Al's picture

have you read my stuff? To me there is no difference between Obama and Trump though, they're both sociopathic scumbags. I think with a lot of people here it's about the democratic party, not just Obama and Clinton. You won't see much railing on the repubs, but the dems are like a jilted lover thing. Many just can't get over it.

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Yours is a correct observation.

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Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

So was Obama, and Clinton, and Bush, and probably most of our presidents for the past half century, minimum. The US has been a fascist state for a long time. It scores 13/14 points on the "is this a fascist nation" test.

Right now, I don't see you as a progressive. I see you as a willing puppet for the more subtle enemy we face. Being a progressive isn't something you can claim to be. You have to show it through your actions. And willingly parroting blatant lies created by people who adamantly oppose progressive policies and actions shows you aren't what you claim to be.

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in this essay/thread.

Not there! So there is something you aren't getting, apparently.

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Pricknick's picture

don't peddle DNC talking points.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

and no progressive should either. A Trump in the WH is about the last thing we should want. It's called fucking politics and while we would all like to take on a fair fight, that ain't how it's played.

The path is "always forward, never straight right" ?

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political lies and corruption, it will clean up Washington and save the world, amirite?
You crack me up.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

You want to clean up Washington by playing fair with Trump ?

Good luck with that. You need to ally with anyone on the other side of Trump and figure everything else out when he's gone. Right now, progressives don't even have a seat at the table. You know how that happened ? We ran a candidate that was honest and forthright inside the Party and one outside of the party. We got shit on.

I propose we start actualizing a progressive vision once we take power...and people we are light years from that happening.

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If you wallow in shit, you smell like it.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

The shittier person won the nomination. Again, you don't get anything done in a corrupt system by being pure as the driven snow...you only lose. To make change, you need to get the power first.

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Did you just excuse her and the DNC for being corrupt? And claim their problem was not being corrupt enough?
Wow.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

I just accused Bernie of not talking about her e-mails. He played nice guy and lost as a result. That by the way, is one issue of many.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Anja Geitz's picture

by becoming corrupted. And for you to attain power within the established power structure you must be corrupted.

I used to think the change had to come from the electorate, but after the Democratic primaries, I see that a peaceful resolution for change is no longer viable. Pity that.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Pluto's Republic's picture

And, every scenario I see here and there for "change" is agonizing to behold, as it twists in the wind of existential tragedy.

For the world has turned, and reality has moved on. One single fact precludes what happens next to the US in its moribund moral paralysis:

Change can not come from inside the United States.

That infrastructure shorted out and turned to dust long ago. We are Germany now, on the precipice of WWII. All Americans are in das boot together.

How ironic that the only wild card left to delay the catastrophe it is Donald Trump. If he's really smart, he will get himself and his family into comfortable exile at the earliest possible moment. Because he won't last for long. Surrounding himself with Neocons won't save him. He's a human sacrifice and fall guy.

No country on Earth has ever matched so perfectly every single descriptive vector of Fascism as the United States does. Even Germany and Italy could not manifest Fascism to near perfection as the United States has done.

And no Fascist can exist who has not marinated every fiber of his being in a lifetime of rabid hatred of communism. You can't find that anywhere, anymore, except inside the United States. It never existed in Russia, of course.

LOL on the Putin dolly someone brought in..

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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Pricknick's picture

we wanted Trump?
You're starting to ramble. A sure sign of someone who's running out of reasoning or excuses.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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sojourns's picture

ever saying that they wanted Drumpf for president. Some may have voted for him as their method of keeping Clinton the fuck out
but that's the politics of cynicism. \

Should you be one of those that voted for Clinton in the primary, then you are responsible for Drumpf's ascendancy.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

that if forced to pick between only trump and clinton, I'd have to pick trump, as he appeared to have won his primary legitimately, and clinton most certainly did not. But that doesn't mean I actually wanted him any more than I wanted clinton.

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After all, we've had a CIA asset in the White House for the period 1981-1993 (GHW Bush for those not dialed in).

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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