Trump is a Russian Agent
Talk about scoring a big one, Pooty-poot has just had one of is KGB agents win the White House. It's no secret that Trump has shown an affinity for Vladimir, a boy crush so to speak. But now, we understand from the Washington Post, that Vladimir and his merry band of hackers helped Trump win.
Now anyone with a keen sense of smell, can already pick up the aroma of kaviar and Vodka from DJT. From his withheld tax documents showing Russian transactions to his recent pick of Russia's "Order of Friendship" medal winner Rex Tillerson of Exxon Mobil, Pres to be Donnie is ass deep in borscht.
Now I know what you're thinking, Blueslide is drinking too much of the DKos Kool aid. He has fallen for the Dem trap that Hillary should be President, by any means necessary. Well no, not really. But this meme about Trump as a Russian troll deserves all the airplay and column inches it can get. Our birther President deserves no less and whether the evidence of this frame up comes together or not, no one deserves to suffer from an unsubstantiated allegation more than Donald J Trump.
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Just as well then that he does not want Daily Briefings
because he might...pass them on to our enemy(?!) Russia.
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Wolverines!
The Red Scare is on.
Not to worry. Our own government will kill you long before those sneaky communists get here.
I'm off to find a new hiding place as Trump is under my bed, the evil monkey is in the closet, and the russians are at the front door.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
The advice is being followed taking up the EU lead.
Putin was blamed for Brexit. The EU has blamed Putin for the Libyan refugee crisis--also the ISIS attacks in France. And now Hillary blamed anti-fracking protests on Putin. The NYTimes claimed that Putin was behind the anti-TPP movement.
Definitely do not agree with this:
From the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to the crazy American neocons, there are too many people trying to stir up war fever against Russia. I'm not that excited about nuclear winter, etc.
Find some other reasons--and there are plenty--to criticize Trump other than this CIA-fed crap.
Nuclear winter?
You mean they're finally going to get serious about global warming?
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Have you seen the last episode of Henson's under appreciated
"Dinosaurs"? That's pretty much it right there.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
That series was brilliant.
"Not the Mama! Not the Mama!" ... BLAM!
The anti-fascist subtext went mostly unnoticed -- i guess cuz they were just, like, dinosaurs, y'know?
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
The Wesayso Corporation ran everything. No wonder ABC
was so uncomfortable with it.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I don't agree:
I couldn't care less about Donald J. Trump, but I do care about my credibility.
What crap
And no, it doesn't deserve "AirPlay". It's just another crap story put out by the Masters of the Universe to manipulate the ignorant.
It's also a preamble to clamp down on the Internet while ramping up War mongering against Russian interests because our interests are more important.
Stop doing their work for them.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
They'll be coming after
net neutrality by March.
"Damn those plebeians and their underground news!"
Masters of the universe .?
Pretty sure they are well represented inthe new Trump administration.
They're well represented in ALL administrations. That's
why they're Masters of the Universe.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Perhaps he didn't understand
The all encompassing nature of the word "Universe".
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Unsubstantiated evidence
You mean like all the unsubstantiated evidence against hrc. Oh wait she nor the dnc ever denied the content of the WikiLeaks only that it was the Russians. Na Zdorovie!
so you want to make trump more popular?
if you do, just keep peddling this pitiful bullshit.
when people spread obvious, baseless smears like the crap you've posted - which hillary's campaign and her mccarthyite democrat buddies have dutifully pasted all over the public square - it creates sympathy for the donald.
You guys crack me up...
...you just dont get it.
Donald Trump is a fascist. He doesn't need any memes help to start a nuke war for christ sakes. With him as POTUs its only a matter of time before he gets his feelings hurt and pushes the button.
As a progressive, I recommend you recognize the enemy and figure out a way to defeat him or her. Otherwise you are just creating your own echo chamber of anti Clintonism without any meaning or focus. There is no correct way to stop a fascist.
I guess we can all play nice and hope for the best ?
How do you think this actually works ?
Its a very simple device..Trumps Brain...button
No other explanation needed.
Ah ! Simplistic Stupidity !
Ha, Ha, Cartoon Reality versus Real Reality. The launch protocol is a bit more involved than you intimate.
Ahhh yes...there are so many omnipotent
players between Trump and a nuclear launch ?
At least one or two more, with codes as well.
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Donald is too stupid to follow the protocol.
He would become immediately confused when confronted with the challenge code issued by the senior officer in the Pentagon war room. He'd need help opening the laminated card containing the challenge code answer because his fingers are too short.
Then, the order would be stifled because he had to take an important call from the President of Lower Botslavia concerning the ribbon cutting for his newest hotel. By the time he was done he would have calmed down and decided to take a nice tanning bath with his daughter. Then-- time for dinner!
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
The people I know vs the people you know ?
I am at a loss for words. So, I will quit the field · · ·
Yeah, but it's fun to watch
Knowing what you know.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
???
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Enough with the bullshit partisan finger pointing
Obama selected his entire cabinet from a list Wall Street gave him. Where was the outrage from progressives then? I loathe the hypocrisy you are espousing. The Democrats have done shit for the last 8 years stopping fraking, dumping fraking waste water in the gulf, using "treated" fraking waste water to irrigate California's crops while Nestles steals potable drinking water from our lakes. And now I'm supposed to sound the alarms that Trump is the fascist for wanting to do the same thing?
No, YOU don't "get it".
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Yep
Agree with you on those same points.
The sudden outrage that Trump is the fascist, while willfully blind and oblivious the last 8 years is already getting quite old.
johnny come lately, eh?
you crack me up. there's been a fascist in the white house for the last 8 years (not to mention those that preceded the current fascist) - and you probably support him and will likely brook no criticism of the corporate whore with:
there's more, but i'll stop there.
pardon me if i sneer while partisans get all huffy about the fascist that is moving into the white house.
Ahh and now we get to the meet of what is wrong with C99
There is no difference between Obama and Trump.
You start by falsely accusing me of being an Obama supporter but of course we are not talking about me in the first place are we ?
Nice ad hominem head fake.
I swear to God, you are all so busy hating on Obama and Clinton, you give Trump a pass. The guy has got to go, and he has to go now. Get it ?
heh...
if some largish group of partisans, say with a serious platform to project their ideas and have them heard by mainstream culture had stood up against fascism years ago, we might have inoculated the body politic against some moron like trump. at least he would have been unlikely to have had a fascist opponent like hillary clinton.
thanks for all you do to stop fascism.
I get it Joe Shikspack
You are going to repeat "I told you so" with smug satisfaction every time some shit storm is created in Washington ? Because you know, it's been going on for eight years or whatever with Democrats so Trump is just the logical extension ?
- So when Trump cuts social security, it's all good because Obama and Clinton wanted to too ?
- When Trump starts locking up protesters, or using concussion grenades etc on them its ok, because Obama did too right ?
- When Trump goes full speed ahead with producing and burning fossil fuels, who gives a shit because Obama didn't do much and Hillary would have allowed fracking and the Keystone pipeline.
Pardon me if i don't find any value in your "We're all doomed - I told ya so" posts.
heh...
pardon me if i don't find any value in your "fascists are in the woodpile and under the bed, so let's spread a bunch of specious propaganda," posts.
Obama didn't do much? You misunderestimate him
Obama outperformed Sarah Drill-Baby-Drill Palin. He also put enough pipeline in place to go around the world more than once (probably twice by now).
I meant Obama didn't do much to protect the environment.
Obama didn't do much about most of his promises
Some of his promises even went the opposite way. That's why same-old, same-old, coat-tail riding Hillary Clinton was shown the door.
Trump, as an outsider, got elected because he pissed on both sides. Bernie, also an outsider, would have stood a much better chance going up against Trump. The electorate was fed up with both parties and used Trump as a big FUCK YOU to the status quo.
I agree
But I'm sure the big middle finger by voting Trump was a real bad play.
Maybe not
It just might shake up the system enough to make room for a third party.
A president on his own can't do much politically other than smallish tweeks. Trump was a blowhard. He has already backtracked on many of his plans.
He also won't destroy Obama Care. That program is the lifeline of half the private healthcare industry. Without it, many of these companies would have gone under.
I took your essay as tongue in cheek.
To carry it one step further in that spirit, we could declare Trump a terrorist and lock him up in Gitmo.
I don't think c99 gives Trump a pass. The provided tool to take him out is the theoretical opposition party. Unfortunately, they are so entrenched at the all you an eat table that we can't pry them away to do their job. If you think the Democrats are going to fight Trump, think again. Show me any organized opposition to him beside Jill Stein, and I'll be glad to listen. Trump is a nightmare. A bigger nightmare than could have been predicted or imagined. If there is any way to subvert the lunatic, I'm in. I just don't see it.
If you're serious about labeling Trump a Russian agent true or not, I don't think anyone would take you seriously no matter how loud you screamed. If they did, is that just adding fuel to the fire that the Democrats and Republicans started? Trump is doing one hell of a job of burning everything he touches to the ground.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
No one said
"It's all good because her heinous would have done it too." The problem is that the American people have allowed things to get this far - allowing horrific candidates to be served up to us on a silver platter and then choosing a buffoon like The Donald. Her heinous would have just as heinous a cabinet. We are doomed, either way. The oligarchy is fully in charge - a fact often missed by most Americans, STILL.
The reason the dems will not look in the mirror is because it involves giving up their gravy train (think Pelosi declaring no change is being called for by the constituents). When the rethugs looked in the mirror, they actually came up with a great propaganda plan to look like the benevolent ones. It obviously worked!
As much as you don't want to admit joe is right, he is. The same shit would be coming through Congress with her in charge. The only difference would probably be that she would have given some push back before folding, which she intended to do anyway. Makes for good theatre, though.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
All the more reason to oppose Trump every step of the way.
It would be better to oppose him with pure bullshit, then not oppose him at all. We are already seeing the Republicans coalescing around their new President. All I am hearing here is, well we can't support this type of opposition because it is beneath us. Or it props up a meme about evil Russians...or my favorite, Trump hasn't had the opportunity to be President so how do you know what he is going to do.
It's about time we started getting sharp elbows. I'm not interested in talking about the Dems being bought. I am interested in stopping Trump from being able to do anything in office. I want to get in his way and have him spend his time and resources fending off attacks so he can't get any of his agenda enacted.
Not if the bullshit is being
Manufactured by the same people who manufacture all the other bullshit they feed to us for the purpose of manipulating the electorate.
It's called agit prop.
So, why die on this hill when there will be a shitload of REAL things to fight against?
Me thinks you doth protest too much...
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Oh for Gawd's sake, Blueside. You don't get it!
Or don't want to get it because you have closed your eyes to what Obama and the democrats have done these last 8 years.
You aren't interested in the democrats being bought? Why the hell not? You don't realize that if Obama and the democrats had pushed for legislation that helped main stream Americans then the chance of Trump being elected would have been slim.
They sat back and did nothing while 4 million people lost their homes even though there was evidence that the banks were deliberately screwing people out of their homes. When Obama created the HAMP program that was to help people stay in their homes, the banks wer foreclosing on people even when they were doing what they needed to keep them, and Obama knew about that yet did nothing to stop their criminal behavior.
Income inequality has gone up under Obama's watch and many people have told you about the actions he took and didn't take, yet you keep ignoring them.
How the hell do you think we are going to be able to oppose Trump when during the health care debates, millions of people wrote, called and signed petitions to get single payer or the public option included in the bill, yet the democrats ignored us.
The democrats let fucking Lieberman keep his position on his cabinet post when they could have threatened him to get behind them if he wanted to keep it. You remember what Lieberman did, right? He campaigned AGAINST OBAMA during the election.
And apparently both OBAMA and the democrats didn't have a problem with that.
So tell us how you expect people to oppose what Trump is going to do when we couldn't even get the democrats to do what we wanted.
Tell us your plan, oh wise one that's going to stop Trump.
Not one person has said that we can't support this type of opposition because it's beneath us.
We don't have any say about what our government does and you damn well know that.
So if you want to oppose Trump then you should have written this to the democrats instead of the people on this website.
It's up to the democrats to do their fucking jobs and stop rolling over for the republicans.
Republicans can place holds and use the filibuster to stop anything that the democrats wanted to pass when the democrats were in the majority, but the democrats don't even try to stop the republicans from passing bad legislation. Ask yourself why they don't find their own spines.
If you are so concerned about Trump using nuclear weapons, why were you silent when Obama and NATO started surrendering Russia in over 20 countries and installing missle defense shields?
Why did you stay silent while Obama was continuing PNAC's goals in the Middle East by illegally using drones in 7 now 8 countries, destroyed both Libya and Syria on false pretenses?
If you didn't complain about any of these actions then you are nothing but a hypocrite because it's now Trump who is going to do the same things Obama has been doing his entire tenure.
Last thing.
Why was Obama working so hard for 7 years to create and pass the TPP that would have given more power to the corporations and hurt American workers even more than NAFTA did?
I patiently await your answers to my questions.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Hi Snoopydawg
The only reason I don't want to talk about Democrats being bought is because its obvious they are. And while I should be looking to Democrats (a party I have never joined) to be a party of opposition they are inept.
I advocated for Bernie and was tossed at DKos for doing so. I ha e consistently advo cated Democratic Socialism, universal healthcare, a living wage and peace. The one very helpful comment I read here is that the meme about demonizing Trump by suggesting Russian ties may promote warring with Russia.
I don't pretend to know all the answers. What I do know is that promoting a possibly false meme about Trumps relationship to Russia and Putin has made me the target of derision and earned me the badge of Hilbot and troll. Few have suggested how they would oppose Trump but I am all ears.
You seem like many here, a little edgy nad really not liking
the reality we continue to face in this country. That causes short tempers and abrupt responses.
asdf, I have been searching for and looking at actions going forward of to oppose not only Trump but Neolibs of all political stripes everywhere in the world, including here.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Blueside, the problem with promoting a false meme
about Trump's relationship with Russia is that it gets the country to give the military their support for a war with Russia.
IMO, that has been what they have been doing even before Hillary lost the election.
As I wrote above, plans are already in action for a war with Russia and have been in affect since last year.
That's what our government does. They spread false memes or propaganda so people think it's okay for military actions.
Remember Babies being thrown out of incubators? 1st Gulf war.
Saddam has WMDs? 2nd Gulf war
Gaddafi is beating the people who are protesting against him and locking up journalists? Libyan war
Assad used sarin gas on his own people? Syrian war
I wish there was a way to oppose Trump and who he is putting in his cabinet, but I don't think he's calling the shots.
With either Donald or Hillary we were going to get more wars and more austerity measures anyway.
Hillary probably would have protected social issues and abortion rights on the federal level, but it's the state's who are pushing for strict abortion laws.
There have been a few essays here about the Deep State and I've written about them and provided links to them.
What is going to happen under his presidency has been planned for decades.
The only thing that will get their attention is for millions of people to get in the streets and protest, but that will be very bloody because as we've seen at the DAPL protests, the elites have no problem hiring private mercenaries to stop the protests.
The mercenaries at DAPL wer Tiger Swan.
Google them to see what they are allowed to do.
And remember that not one government official said anything when they let attack dogs bite unarmed people.
If people decide to rise up against the elites, they will be ready for it. That's why they militarized the police and have let them practice on the BLM and at DAPL.
And they wanted to see the response from Americans. Look at how many people approved of their actions.
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Agreed
I noticed a wrench with DAPL.
Oddly, it was probably bound to happen sooner or later...with the decades of pointless wars, and a few stories of disaffected veterans of those wars cropping up here and there over the years, where the soldier came to realize they had been played, all of a sudden, those disaffected found each other and collaborated. Several thousand banded together and migrated to ND to shore up support for the oppressed.
That poses a dilemma, as soldiers and veterans have been glorified for purposes of perpetuating the 'fighting for freedom' meme over the course of those same decades. It would be difficult to explain away a sudden pummeling of those same veterans, hence a brief stay in the atrocities...undoubtedly to formulate a strategy of how to deal with this oddity.
I'm curious how this sort of thing plays out down the road, if the veterans will take note and start lending this same sort of support to other brutalized protests? Then what will be the policing strategies toward them? How will their tactics evolve? They can't bend too much, else the effectiveness of their squelching dissent will evaporate completely. But, if they go all-out vs. a throng of veterans, that will escalate nation-wide outrage against the disrespect and brutalization of our 'heroes'.
That wrench is interesting for sure and I'm still wondering whether and/or how this will play going forward.
Thank you Joe S.
Amazed anyone is still reading the WashPost, Jeff's Journal is what I call it now. And his "work" with the CIA, what a great team for one of the nation's "leading" newspapers. Be great when WashPost and NYTimes both cease their operations.
Would rather read and reread The Jabberwocky.
Ahhh now we get to the real reason
you dropped this turd here.
You are going to correct what's wrong with c99!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Sorry but no. That's too heavy a lift.
I bet you feel dirty
rubbing cyber elbows with all the unwashed.
If dripping condescension will make us more and better fake newsies, we are well on our way to standing corrected!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I bet you don't know the first thing about me.
You need not lift a finger.
Nobody needs someone who spews fear.
The difference between you and many here, is that you will happily promote a view that fits your and many democratic views.
We're not afraid. You can stop trying to goad us into it.
And congrats. You've succeeded in convincing me you have nothing more to say of any importance on this discussion.
C-ya.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Right, don't feed the troll. New! Democratic Fascism!
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
You get to clean it up
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
Ah, but that 'no difference' is erroneous
That was not what was stated.
Merely, Obama is already a fascist...so the statement you are replying is accurate. And there is a difference too. Obama is directly responsible for killing innocent people, yet Trump so far, has not.
So your, "Trump must go now!" is also a bit disingenuous if you have not been hammering that point about Obama for the last 8 years. So far, Trump has done nothing near as egregious as Obama.
While I have no love for Trump, at this point I am not quivering in my boots because the guy hasn't done anything other than spout numerous and contradictory statements; I don't really know what's going to happen with him.
Sure, his appointments so far are not encouraging, but contrary to popular belief I don't believe he is utterly stupid. It could just be appeasement to the 'establishment' to avoid faithless electors, of which there are already rumblings. But there are several things he has said (and there is no guarantee they will come to fruition), about tearing up executive orders, turning some of the oligarchy nightmare on its head, repairing Russian/Cold War 2.0 relations, extracting the military from pointless war, that if his administration follows through with even a smidgen of that, I might even call that a decent success and an improvement over Obama.
Sure, there may also be some damage in this country, in various areas, but considering the devastation we've incurred under Obama and Bush, well, a continuing trend down that same road can't really be blamed on Trump alone...that was gonna happen with any other establishment puppet as well. It's expected at this point.
But at this point, nobody knows what's going to happen with Trump, so exclaiming sudden outrage and "he must go!" before he even arrives, is almost laughable considering where we've been with the last two administrations.
My bad...how about "logical extension"?
as you go on to imply with your post.
But this ?
Really ? His "accomplishments" are very clear and his agenda has been stated repeatedly.
So by your illogical extension then
O should've closed Gitmo, stopped the war in Iraq, stopped fracking, given us single payer, let OWS, BLM, DAPL protests go on in peace, put bankers in jail, put torturers in jail, stop torturing, etc.etc.etc.
"Really ? His "accomplishments" are very clear and his agenda has been stated repeatedly."
Oh ya clowngress
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Give Trump a pass?
because I'm not going to support impeachment hearings against Trump because of this bullshit "news" story? You've got to be kidding me, right?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I'll support an impeachment trial because he's a rapist.
I believe that, anyway.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Don't hold your breath
Rumor has it that a cloak of blackmail and hit men have been put into place to hide the rampant degeneracy going on with impunity inside the Beltway. He goes down for rape, everyone goes down. And the fact that I don't know if I should put a snark tag at the end of that should tell you how cynical the electorate has become.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
It may be a rumor
but I'd be surprised if what you are saying isn't true. Sadly, I think the judge is going to let the clock run out on this one. Lotta dirty players with a lot of money. No problem for them to find ice cold men with double y chromosomes and a like minded bent towards psychopathy to take care of business.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Edited re: Trump impeachment
You want President Pence? You think he's better than Trump? Sure, he's not on Twitter at 3am, but the guy is an extremely tightly wound religious puritan (hypocrit), who'd love nothing more than going back to the good old days where women and minorities knew their place, and to play a personal role in the biblical apocalypse.
Fuck that shit! We all better hope nothing happens to Trump!
Sorry, sojorns
Thought I was responding to the author until I hit save, then I couldn't get site to respond for an edit. Hopefully it will allow this post.
I still think Trump is safer bet than Pence, though.
no worries
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
And a con-artist.
Trump University was a pretty disgusting bit of fraud.
Beware the bullshit factories.
duplicate n/t
Beware the bullshit factories.
Trump has got to go? Too little, too late, Hillbot
You bots had your chance, but your candidate was so pathetically weak, The Clinton Machine lied, cheated and stole the nomination form the only candidate who had any chance at all against your boogie man.
Embrace the suck, because you and Her Heinous built this.
Good one...now I am a Hilbot
And clearly I supported her over Sanders.?
You're spreading propaganda, so sound like a Hillbot
And you said Trump has to go, like the butthurts out chanting it in the streets, like him going anywhere is actually a thing outside death or criminal conviction. And if either of those two things happens, we're way more fucked than now.
Pence is way more dangerous to women, minorities and world peace than Trump. Trump needs to stay, and in four years needs to be replaced by a Bernie type, not a neolib or neocon. Of course, that won't happen unless we have a choice other than from the two lib/con parties, and can prevent what happened in the primary rip off.
I don't give Trump a pass,
have you read my stuff? To me there is no difference between Obama and Trump though, they're both sociopathic scumbags. I think with a lot of people here it's about the democratic party, not just Obama and Clinton. You won't see much railing on the repubs, but the dems are like a jilted lover thing. Many just can't get over it.
Indeed
Yours is a correct observation.
Sure, he's a fascist
So was Obama, and Clinton, and Bush, and probably most of our presidents for the past half century, minimum. The US has been a fascist state for a long time. It scores 13/14 points on the "is this a fascist nation" test.
Right now, I don't see you as a progressive. I see you as a willing puppet for the more subtle enemy we face. Being a progressive isn't something you can claim to be. You have to show it through your actions. And willingly parroting blatant lies created by people who adamantly oppose progressive policies and actions shows you aren't what you claim to be.
Please point out the anti-Clntonism you referenced
in this essay/thread.
Not there! So there is something you aren't getting, apparently.
Most progressives I know
don't peddle DNC talking points.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I don't care who thought it up
and no progressive should either. A Trump in the WH is about the last thing we should want. It's called fucking politics and while we would all like to take on a fair fight, that ain't how it's played.
The path is "always forward, never straight right" ?
So, if the right people engage in
political lies and corruption, it will clean up Washington and save the world, amirite?
You crack me up.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Seriously ?
You want to clean up Washington by playing fair with Trump ?
Good luck with that. You need to ally with anyone on the other side of Trump and figure everything else out when he's gone. Right now, progressives don't even have a seat at the table. You know how that happened ? We ran a candidate that was honest and forthright inside the Party and one outside of the party. We got shit on.
I propose we start actualizing a progressive vision once we take power...and people we are light years from that happening.
Seriously.
If you wallow in shit, you smell like it.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Yes that's what was learned from the Bernie run.
The shittier person won the nomination. Again, you don't get anything done in a corrupt system by being pure as the driven snow...you only lose. To make change, you need to get the power first.
Like, that all worked out so well for Clinton?
Did you just excuse her and the DNC for being corrupt? And claim their problem was not being corrupt enough?
Wow.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
No not even close
I just accused Bernie of not talking about her e-mails. He played nice guy and lost as a result. That by the way, is one issue of many.
yeah, but first joo get the drugs.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
No, you cannot change the corruption
by becoming corrupted. And for you to attain power within the established power structure you must be corrupted.
I used to think the change had to come from the electorate, but after the Democratic primaries, I see that a peaceful resolution for change is no longer viable. Pity that.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
True, that.
And, every scenario I see here and there for "change" is agonizing to behold, as it twists in the wind of existential tragedy.
For the world has turned, and reality has moved on. One single fact precludes what happens next to the US in its moribund moral paralysis:
Change can not come from inside the United States.
That infrastructure shorted out and turned to dust long ago. We are Germany now, on the precipice of WWII. All Americans are in das boot together.
How ironic that the only wild card left to delay the catastrophe it is Donald Trump. If he's really smart, he will get himself and his family into comfortable exile at the earliest possible moment. Because he won't last for long. Surrounding himself with Neocons won't save him. He's a human sacrifice and fall guy.
No country on Earth has ever matched so perfectly every single descriptive vector of Fascism as the United States does. Even Germany and Italy could not manifest Fascism to near perfection as the United States has done.
And no Fascist can exist who has not marinated every fiber of his being in a lifetime of rabid hatred of communism. You can't find that anywhere, anymore, except inside the United States. It never existed in Russia, of course.
LOL on the Putin dolly someone brought in..
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Who here said
we wanted Trump?
You're starting to ramble. A sure sign of someone who's running out of reasoning or excuses.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
No one.
I don't recall anyone that visits here with any regularity
ever saying that they wanted Drumpf for president. Some may have voted for him as their method of keeping Clinton the fuck out
but that's the politics of cynicism. \
Should you be one of those that voted for Clinton in the primary, then you are responsible for Drumpf's ascendancy.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
In the past I've said
that if forced to pick between only trump and clinton, I'd have to pick trump, as he appeared to have won his primary legitimately, and clinton most certainly did not. But that doesn't mean I actually wanted him any more than I wanted clinton.
Let Me Know When KGB Asset Is President
After all, we've had a CIA asset in the White House for the period 1981-1993 (GHW Bush for those not dialed in).
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
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