Thursday Open Thread 5-18-2017

Give a man a fish, he can eat for the day.

Teach a man to fish and he can eat forever. Unless the water he fishes has only seasonal runs, the area becomes over-fished the water, polluted or global warming destroys the fishes living environment. Does he live near the water or are there transportation problems?

Give a man 200 lbs of fish, how many days can he eat? It depends without preserving the fish it will spoil in 3 days. Does he dry, pickle, can, salt or freeze the fish? Does he take 1/2 the fish or all the waste and fertilize the soil to start a cycle of growing crops for several years.

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Farm Report

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What are you growing and harvesting this week? I have fresh onion greens to add to an omelet. Have had frost 4 out 7 days this week. The garden is still not planted, ground is to cold. Not sure if the cherries survived.

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These guys will not be bribed into the corral. They have too much fun as I chase them around and around. Insect control team is on the job of keeping fly population down.

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Taking a time out from rodent patrol.

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house in order. Mr. Loosinhouse is weeding and turning over the abandoned garden space which has been fallow about ten years. We discovered a huge resident ground hog, since I guess we disrupted his burrow and now we'll have to deal with that. Suggestions? Aside from that, I got an amazing standing garden box with loads of potting soil as a gift which I'm going to use for an herb garden on the back deck.

It's a joke between Mr. L and me how much I love gardening in the abstract, basically reading about gardening while he does the actual labor. So I'm trying to change up that act and went out and bought a great gardening hat, gloves and some shears. I put them on the table and he said "Oh, it's "Barbie Goes Organic" which made me laugh.

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" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse @Phoebe Loosinhouse If you do not get rid of it. Your garden is kaput. A dog may help, but there is really only one sure fire solution.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse the original use of whirligigs was to get rid of gophers. May work on groundhogs? How long would you hang around with someone tapping on your walls night and day?

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@ghotiphaze
they're extremely destructive. A friend told me how years ago farmers paid bounties for groundhog tails. I'm reading how to repel them on the Havahart site.

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" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "

@Phoebe Loosinhouse Hedgehog hunting season because of the garden and yard damage. I believe Hedgehog and Groundhogs are the same thing! The problem with an open season on them is they are in the Cities damaging gardens how many are in the woods and would it make a difference? Any reason to pull the guns out and kill animals I guess.

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@WIProgressive is a different animal entirely (has spines, rolls itself into a ball, eats slugs and insects).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog

In one of Rudyard Kipling’s Just So Stories, a hedgehog named Stickly-Prickly and a turtle named Slow-and-Solid outwit an easily bamboozled Painted Jaguar and end up acquiring each other’s abilities, turning them both into armadillos.

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@WIProgressive
colloquialism. If actually hedgehogs, it is probably targeting released or escaped pets, which would probably lack natural predators and constitute a risk of becoming a runaway invasive.

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@enhydra lutris Groundhogs are also known as woodchucks. Hedgehogs are cute though!

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse
creatures. Drop good sized chunks in each hole entrance you can find. As it sublimates, the CO2, which is heavier than air, sinks into the burrow, displacing the air sufficiently to cause asphyxiation.

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse I don't want to kill one of my rodent patrol team. They will catch baby woodchucks, but the full size adults are too big.

Relocating only shifts the problem else where or provides a few scary hours before the predators catch it.

Do have a field the rock chucks (marmots) have naturalized. But once they cross the irrigation ditch they are too near buildings, orchard and garden.

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Live for today, you may not be here tomorrow. Plan for the future, you may live to a 100+.

Roger Ailes (formerly of Fox News) has died. Joe Scarborough just announced it.

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@HenryAWallace
I'm sort of addicted to it, because it's Party Line central and I get up early everyday and I enjoy watching the talking heads bloviate to each other.

I think it's pretty interesting that Joe and Mika are now engaged and attribute it to propinquity. But I was getting the vibe quite a while ago, basically when Joe kept kidding her about her pets and I thought I detected more than a professional intimacy. He'll have Zbiggy as a father-in-law, the guy who called him "stunningly superficial" to his face in one of the all-time great moments of Morning Joe. To his credit, Joe started making self-deprecating comments about that jibe later.

Now I'm hoping that the entire show will change and become like a 1950's radio couples talk show - taped from their house on the veranda with Joe in a bathrobe and Mika in a feather trimmed peignoir with a pitcher of mimosas on the table. And all their guest should be in morning wear as well - wouldn't that be great?

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@Phoebe Loosinhouse

tolerates the other. Joe is obnoxious and calculated as they come and Mika is, well, Mika.

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@HenryAWallace

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@NCTim

with ghotiphaze. Acute

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@HenryAWallace in Scarborough's office, too?

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@ghotiphaze

Acute

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it is about spent now, might bolt with the coming heat. I got about six servings of fresh leaves to top off some beans and rice. Best thing ever for me, fresh food, peace and quiet.

Love the calves they sure are cute and funny. I lived with 'em getting taken to market every year for a while, that was hard, their moms do cry for days after they're gone, still searching. SadJesse Amaral, ran the cattle on Bottarini Ranch when I live/worked the fish farm there. He taught my partner and I a lot about raising our pig, was highly respected in the community. That's how I remember him, not the other way.

Good day.

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in case folks hadn't heard yet, here's the press release from doj:

Appointment of Special Counsel

Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein today announced the appointment of former Department of Justice official and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III to serve as Special Counsel to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters.

“In my capacity as acting Attorney General, I determined that it is in the public interest for me to exercise my authority and appoint a Special Counsel to assume responsibility for this matter,” said Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. “My decision is not a finding that crimes have been committed or that any prosecution is warranted. I have made no such determination. What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances, the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command.”

Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein added, “Each year, the career professionals of the U.S. Department of Justice conduct tens of thousands of criminal investigations and handle countless other matters without regard to partisan political considerations. I have great confidence in the independence and integrity of our people and our processes. Considering the unique circumstances of this matter, however, I determined that a Special Counsel is necessary in order for the American people to have full confidence in the outcome. Our nation is grounded on the rule of law, and the public must be assured that government officials administer the law fairly. Special Counsel Mueller will have all appropriate resources to conduct a thorough and complete investigation, and I am confident that he will follow the facts, apply the law and reach a just result.”

Special Counsel Mueller has agreed to resign from his private law firm in order to avoid any conflicts of interest with firm clients or attorneys.

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@joe shikspack @joe shikspack

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/paul-ryan-keeps-it-family-kevin-...

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@NCTim US citizens. They are playing a board game and do not think about human lives only how can "I" benefit. Thanks for the link to the article.

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@joe shikspack thanks, Mueller replaces Comey now Mueller investigates Comey. Good one.
Wiki: Federal Bureau of Investigation

Mueller was nominated for the position of FBI Director by President George W. Bush on July 5, 2001. At the time, he and two other candidates, Washington lawyer George J. Terwilliger III and veteran Chicago prosecutor and white-collar crime defense lawyer Dan Webb were up for the job, but Mueller was always considered the front runner. Terwilliger and Webb both pulled out from consideration around mid-June. Confirmation hearings for Mueller, in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, were quickly set for July 30, only three days before his prostate cancer surgery. The vote on the Senate floor on August 2, 2001, passed unanimously, 98–0.

He served as Acting Deputy Attorney General of the United States Department of Justice for several months, before officially becoming the FBI Director on September 4, 2001, just one week before the September 11 attacks against the United States.

In May 2011, President Obama asked Director Mueller to continue at the helm of the FBI for two additional years beyond his normal 10-year term, which was expiring on September 4, 2011. The Senate approved this request on July 27, 2011. On September 4, 2013, Mueller was replaced by James Comey.

Director Mueller, along with Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey, threatened to resign from office in March 2004 if the White House overruled a Department of Justice finding that domestic wiretapping without a court warrant was unconstitutional. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft denied his consent to attempts by White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and White House Counsel Alberto R. Gonzales to waive the Justice Department ruling and permit the domestic warrantless eavesdropping program to proceed. On March 12, 2004, President George W. Bush gave his support to changes in the program sufficient to satisfy the concerns of Mueller, Ashcroft and Comey.

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@eyo

How is he going to handle the DNC "hacking" when "inside leak" is just as, if not a more viable theory?

IF the whole Trump thing is about Russians Colluding with Trump to swing the election, the DNC piece of the puzzle has to be looked at closely. Will Mueller subpoena their computers (assuming there's anything left to look at, which is doubtful), which raises yet another question - why wouldn't the DNC and the Dems assist in an investigation to bring down Russian interference as much as they possibly could?

I think this whole thing could go into some unpredictable places. I read something the other day which suggested that Comey gave HRC a pass because he knew there was no way in hell an Obama or HRC Justice Department would really prosecute the case and what he did essentially "preserved the case" in case different PTBs chose to follow up on it later. I have to admit this scenario never occurred to me - I have no idea how plausible a theory this is.

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@joe shikspack
This means that he knows what evidence is. That means that the oppo research "dossier" and the CIA hand-waving blather go directly into the toilet, and what's left? Whatever the feebs turn up.

For decades now, the feebs primary investigative prowess, in no particular order, consists of:

1) Frame-ups, pseudo-science, lying and misrepresentation, concealment of evidence, and the like

2) use of (usually suborned) snitches

3) busting those entrapped or otherwise set-up by undercover provocateurs

So, where does that leave this "investigation"?

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Does he live near the water or are there transportation immigration problems?

Borders are artificial constructs. Why are prevented from seek a better living environment? Same logic as ending SNAP? The hardship makes them stronger? I think it is time for some politicians to experience hardship times.

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@NCTim I dream of air dropping our politicians onto Alcatraz with a monthly food drop and let them fend for themselves.

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My internet is still intermittent, but while it is happening this AM thought I would drop in and say "Hey."

We've been eating lettuce out of the garden for about a month. Onions are about ready to harvest. Snow peas are coming in too. Everything but sweet potatoes and okra are planted and we hope to get them in this week. Off to the Florida Folk festival next week.

Hope your gardens are all fruitful and fertile. All the best....

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@Lookout probably spring (my summer), hot summer (I get 7 to 21 days)and fall (my normal summer warm weather). You do have me thinking about installing in a couple of cold frames to extend the season on either end.

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Our garlic is ahead of schedule due to our warm winter. We've been getting unseasonable rain, too. It's cold today, though, and will be most of the week. Been eating greens - spinach, kale and the like - for a couple months now. Nothing in the ground yet - still too cool. We'll be planting at the end of May/beginning of June.

Have a beautiful day, folks! Pleasantry

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