A Stunning String of 60 Satellites Zooming Across the Sky Caught on Video by Dutch Astronomer

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This string of 60 satellites were placed into low earth orbit last Thursday. They are the first of a proposed group of 12,000 Starlink telecommunications satellites being lauched by SpaceX, Elon Musk's rocket company. The company's goal is to use the satellites to create a mesh-like network around the planet itself. Moving data with laser beams, the satellite grid will provide fast and affordable internet access to every remote corner of the earth. Internet traffic can now move at close to the speed of light in a vacuum — nearly instantaneously.

The astronomer, Marco Langbroek, wrote in a blog post that he had calculated the search orbit himself to find out when they would pass by, and "stood ready" with his camera. The train zoomed by within three minutes of his predicted time. "It started with two faint, flashing objects moving into the field of view. Then, a few tens of seconds later, my jaw dropped as the 'train' entered the field of view," Langbroek wrote.

Starlink promises to bring cheap, fast, internet services to the entire planet, including the remote areas of the planet that had no Internet. It will also bring Internet service to moving vehicles like airplanes, ships, trains, buses, and cars. Because of it's advanced speed, it would make international teleconferencing and online gaming nearly lag-free. SpaceX has a 2027 deadline to get all 12,000 of the Starlink Satellites launched. Elon Musk said that only a fraction of that number would be required for the service to function. He predicts that within 18 months, there will be enough Starlink satellites orbiting the planet to begin offering the service to Internet users.

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Every corner of the world can access this floating mesh network for ultra-high-speed, low-lag internet communications. The thousands of satellites are linked with laser beams, and give customers access to the internet system via flat, pizza-size antennas that SpaceX calls end-user terminals.

SpaceX plans to launch roughly five dozen spacecraft at a time with its workhorse Falcon 9 rockets and is looking to launch at least one Starlink mission a month over the next two years, based on figures provided by Musk.

"I think within a year and a half, maybe 2 years — if things go well — SpaceX will probably have more satellites in orbit than all other satellites combined," he said. "Basically, a majority of the satellites in orbit will be SpaceX's."

In fact, the completed Starlink with its nearly 12,000 satellites — will consist of more than six times the number of all operational spacecraft currently in orbit. This is the plan of a visionary, and I suspect that there are implications and possible applications that go far beyond those being discussed today. Hopefully the People will find ways to access the mesh network that offers communications possibilities that allow them to break free of oppressive limitations and enforced propaganda imposed by their governments.

Many new technologies have gone into creating this system. Consider the rockets that lift the components into space each month: SpaceX plans to launch 60 close-to-production Starlink satellites at a time with its Falcon 9 rockets. Each satellite weighs about 500 pounds (227 kilograms) and is roughly the size of an office desk. Imagine 60 of those stuffed into the nosecone of a rocket. They'll rapidly deploy, one after another, into an orbit string about 273 miles (440 kilometers) up. That's some heavy lifting.

There are several problems and limitations in earthbound Internet communications. One in particular that Elon Musk was determined to overcome was the speed limitations of Internet data transmission across international distances on the surface of the planet.

As an aside, this physical speed limitation in current earth-based data transmission was the key to how we knew, almost immediately, that the Democratic Party and the Intelligence Community were pushing a Hoax about Russia hacking the DNC computers and stealing emails, which they gave to Julian Assange. The physical evidence on the released emails show high transfer speeds that can only be achieved by someone in the same room as the server using a portable thumb drive to copy those emails. We saw that the time of the data capture was just as the DNC offices were closing at 6PM. We continued to know, for two-and-a-half years, that everything that came from those sources — the DNC and the IC, along with their CrowdStrike cohort — was fruit of the poisoned tree — until the Hoax was finally exposed.

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On the surface of the planet, there is an upper limit on how fast Internet data can travel over distances using fiber-optic cables. We can experience these slow speeds with long distance voice-over-Internet telephony. Calls over international distances have a long lag time, making conversations difficult. And, voice data beamed over geostationary satellites is some of the laggiest. That's because nearly all those spacecraft are orbiting at 22,236 miles up, where they can "float" above one location on Earth. That's enough distance to cause a more than half-second of lag. Conversely, Starlink satellites are placed in low orbit, 65 times closer to earth. Starlink moves data across distances in the mesh network using laser beams transmitting at the speed of light.

Because data sent over international distances have high latency, or lag, the most obvious commercial benefit of Starlink goes to the financial sector. Latency matters most to financial institutions. With markets that move billions of dollars in fractions of a second, any delay can lead to big losses compared to a competitor with a less laggy (and thus more up-to-date) connection to the web.

One has to wonder, with so many new satellites in orbit, what about the space junk that's already there causing collisions? Each Starlink satellite is fitted with an ion thruster that allows it to move around and adjust its orbit. The satellites will also be fed the latest NORAD tracking information for debris. The spacecraft will use artificial intelligence software and its thruster to avoid collisions with known hunks of space junk. If they should be damages or fail, they are programmed to drop out of low orbit so as not to add to the space junk. The satellites are vaporized as they fall to earth. The friction of low orbit limits the lifetime of individual satellites to about five years, so they must be periodically replenished.

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This is the video of the Starlink launch captured by Dutch astronomer, Marco Langbroek. It takes less than a minute for the train of satellites to cross the sky. As they continue to orbit their engines will position them about 500 miles apart in a line on the new grid being built over our heads. This low orbit grid, formed of thousands of satellites, will be visible to those on the ground, particularly at sunrise and sunset. It's the new normal in the sky.

On the YouTube page where it is posted, folks from all over the world shared the moment, noting from what country or state they saw it. Most had not known what they were seeing. What I saw was that people of this world were happy to talk to one another and share the event, without the paranoid, power-mad monsters who own their sovereignty coming between them:

• I live about 60 miles from Cape Canaveral, I watched it launch, it was so cool.

• Hi all! Saw this over Co.Tyrone Northern Ireland 12am 25-5-19. Wondered what on earth or out of earth it was!!!!

• Saw that in Czech Republic 5/26/2019. In Elon we trust.

• I saw it yesterday evening at 11:25 PM. Greetings from Hungary.

• Saw them over southern Ontario just now. I didn’t know what it was about freaked the hell out of me.

• Just saw this in Vermont! Slow and beautiful. Very mysterious; I had no idea what they were

• Hi I'm from Russia tonight over Siberia watched this beauty! I congratulate the Americans on this event!

• Seen it! Between 00:45 and 01:15 AM in Milan, Italy. Going from West to north-east.

• I count them about~60, and write you from North Korea.

• saw it last night at around 1:00 am in Miramichi NB Canada.

• I saw them over Berlin and wondered if it were alien spaceships, thanks for the explanation

• Dad thought they were UFOs. Seen from Poland, Poraj

• I was born before Sputnik. This is one of the most inspiring things I have ever seen!

• i saw this event saturday may 25 2019 at the beach of barangay baliangao province of misamis occidental, Philippines ... i want to see it again so i am gathering now some information how to spot the STARLINK.

• We saw them in Odessa, Ukraine at 00:22 and I thought, this is the beginning of world war 3

• I just saw this live tonight in Ohio and spent about an hour trying to figure out if I had just witnessed a glitch in the matrix.

• I saw that the same night in Belgium. Mindblowing sight!

• Just saw this in person in AZ. Seriously one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

• Saw that yesterday from Kenya. Was really shocked

• it in Russia Sakhalin island, I was shocked

• I saw it too, here in Denmark it was amazing to watch

• Seen around midnight on May 25-26, above the mouth of the Yellow Medicine river into the Minnesota river in South Western Minnesota, USA.

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I know very little about how a satellite is launched and not too sure what adverse implications this may have, but from a purely space engineering perspective, it's very impressive.

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Thanks, Pluto for posting this. This would have been cool to see if I'd known about it. I would have thought that they might be nukes flying from somewhere over the pond because someone here did something foolish *cough Bolton*.

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There were spotters in Utah, and a lot of them campers. For my part, I'm intrigued with the technology involved, and also the cost effectiveness. But most of all I'm interested in the ways this might change the current ISP system.

Now, to spoonfeed the vision-challenged:

In the US, however, Starlink technology could be a real political game changer. The awful continent between the coasts is largely rural and informed primarily by the ubiquitous AM band, where they are exposed to hate radio 24/7 — just as the right wing industry monopolies designed and deregulated it to function. Here, Starlink could be disruptive. Because it is designed to be mobile, it would also compete with IQ-degrading AM radio in every nook and cranny of the country.

For the first time, rural America would have wireless Internet — cheap or even subsidized. All they need to do is nail a receiver the size of a small pizza pan to their roof and they will have the fastest connections in the US. Then, they will hear and see news and information that has not been twisted and deformed by hate radio. They can receive and research information without being terrorized by false enemies. There's a reason why cities are blue while the rest of America votes against their own survival, like resentful, ill-informed hillbillies. It all comes down to a lack of reality-based information. They know nothing of the outside world. The media monopolies that propagandize television, further dis-empower them. This has been the mechanism that sustains America's sick and twisted democracy. These terrorized people provide the votes that have physically degraded the entire nation and made its government a ship of fools.

If a friendly technology like Starlink can fix this, and I think it can, we don't need a revolution. Enlightenment is self-correcting.

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that anyone believes anything that Musk says.

I await the inevitable fall out.

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We visionaries need a drag to get the air under our wings.

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That require replenishment every 5 years. In a finite resource world, sounds like a great, ecologically sound plan.

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@ChezJfrey

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This could be accomplished better (but not cheaper apparently) by laying fiber under or over the ground. As my boss, the Engineering VP once said to me about Iridium (that my company worked on) "Sure you can call your broker in London from the middle of the Amazon rain forest, but who is there in the Amazon rain forest that wants to call a broker in London? All the people that want to get him are in New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Paris, Frankfort... and the6y already can call him cheaper and easier." The only barrier in this country to cheap fast public internet is the existing oligopoly and a belief that government can never do anything right.

EDIT: What happens during solar flares? Everyone loses internet?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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inhuman shit he thinks up. Yeah, sounds like a lunatic plan to me. Who gives a rats ass about the speed of light and the internet. It's bad enough already as far as junk satellites floating around the earth goes. Driver less cars? Gimme a break. I'm freaking sick and tired of internet geek moguls getting to decide how our global societies and government's are shaped and developed. Why do lunatic Silicon Valley sociopaths like Musk, Bezos, Zuckerman, Gates and Co. or any other major geeky player get to rule the world? This may prove the Russian's are coming people are nuts but the thought of Musk surrounding the earth with his mad web just freaks me out. These asshole's have too much money and too much power and they are out of control literally.

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@shaharazade Oh yeah I forgot any robber baron lunatic with money and power is safe cause this is a free market both in real life and in virtual time and space.

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somebody fucking up the night sky. i read comments like this:

I was born before Sputnik. This is one of the most inspiring things I have ever seen!

... and all I can think is: What ... wasn't the Milky Way impressive enough for you?

Reminds me of the time some dumbass right-wing douche, justifying the permitting of more oil rigs on the California coast, opined that they were quite beautiful at night, with all their lights on. PUH-leez.

And i say that as a guy who really, really, really likes christmas lights in spruce trees.

But then again, I know someone, someone for whom I entertain a very dear affection, whose great wish is someday to work at SpaceX, and to rocket up there on one of their vehicles.

So I don't know.

And I don't have to.

Welcome to the human experience.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd
I grew up in the country and took the night sky for granted. I went away to college and was astounded when I came home and could see the stars again, like I was seeing them for the first time. Then more years stranded in the wasteland of cities, with only occasional trips to the backcountry where the stars blaze in timeless glory. I've spent half a lifetime away from light pollution and the night sky is an essential part of my life.
Now it's going to have a bunch of cheap assed satellites forever ruining the view. All so that we can download porn faster.
On the other hand, we'll be able to download porn faster, so there's that.

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The brilliant "train" in the night sky that is SpaceX's first 60 Starlink satellites has wowed some skywatchers, but it also sparked concern among some astronomers wondering what so many visible satellites could mean for scientific observing.

SpaceX CEO Elon Musk, it seems, is listening, space.com reported.

Musk wrote on Twitter on Monday that he's already instructed teams to look into making future Starlink Internet communications satellites less shiny to lower their "albedo," or reflectivity. He pointed that out in response to a direct call from a commenter on Twitter.

"Agreed, sent a note to Starlink team last week specifically regarding albedo reduction," Musk wrote.

"We'll get a better sense of value of this when satellites have raised orbits & arrays are tracking to sun."

SpaceX launched the Starlink satellites on May 23 into an initial orbit 273 miles (440 kilometers) above Earth. Each satellite is equipped with Krypton ion thrusters to raise its orbit to a final 342 miles (550 km).

"I know people are excited about those images of the train of SpaceX Starlink satellites, but it gives me pause," planetary astronomer Alex Parker wrote on Twitter on Saturday as the first videos of the Starlink "train" were popping up.

"They're bright, and there are going to be a lot of them."

The Starlink satellites are the vanguard of a planned 12,000-satellite mega constellation designed to offer affordable Internet service to people around the world who otherwise would not have such access.

Parker added that 12,000 bright satellites could potentially outnumber the stars visible to the unaided eye in the night sky. But he was holding off on any final judgement until the Starlink satellites reached their final orbit, as they may be less visible at that time.

In a series of Twitter posts on Monday, Musk assured astronomers and the public that the Starlink constellation shouldn't pose an issue for astronomy.

"Exactly, potentially helping billions of economically disadvantaged people is the greater good," Musk wrote in response to a comment on the service Starlink's constellation would provide.

"That said, we'll make sure Starlink has no material effect on discoveries in astronomy. We care a great deal about science."

And the satellites can be moved to reduce reflectivity, he added.

"If we need to tweak sat orientation to minimize solar reflection during critical astronomical experiments, that's easily done," Musk wrote.

Starlink shouldn't affect radio astronomy research either, Musk added. "We avoid use of certain lower Ku frequencies specifically for radio astronomy," he wrote.

And then there's all those other satellites up in space, he added.

"There are already 4,900 satellites in orbit, which people notice ~0% of the time," Musk wrote. "Starlink won't be seen by anyone unless looking very carefully & will have ~0% impact on advancements in astronomy."

Fraser Crain of Universe Today website suggested to Musk that SpaceX consider using the Starlink satellite chassis for small space telescopes as an olive branch to the astronomy community.

"Would love to do exactly that," Musk replied.

You can read the rest in Iran Daily, which is an enlightenment twofer, when you think about it.

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I love watching for satellites and shooting stars and doing star trails photography. I remember the first time I saw a satellite up in the Sawtooth mts of Idaho. Very cool. I've seen the space station 4 times, but I've never gotten a picture of it.

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Here's a satellite and a plane going through...maybe it's the space station?

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How long is the exposure? Is that a digital camera or film?
Thanks for posting it.

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I think the exposure was 30-60 seconds. The satellite and plane is not as obvious after I uploaded it here unfortunately.

Did you see these two when I posted them in another essay.

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I need a PC to be able to do this. The photo program lets you stack photos in one image frame.

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This is a time lapse of the moon with it eclipsed in between. I'm going to get back to doing star trails as soon as it warms up and stops raining.

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incredible, snoopy dawg.

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but with all due respect to you 'visionaries', i'll offer a few counter-thoughts. my first thought was that musk is weaponizing space (lasers included) as well as high-speed 'cheap' broadband for the whole wide-world. kinda like bill gates showing a photo of an african woman is her field holding a smart phone: 'see? she can check the weather report, as well as the market price for her crop! her income will improve!'

i'm dubious as to how much the world needs the intertubes, esp. as 'news as an antidote to revolution', but of course not all foreign news is...trustworthy/unbiased, and sites would need multi-lingual choices, in any event. loved your iran daily, though, and ep. this:
'musk doesn't think the starlink system will interfere with radio-telemetry...'
oh, well, that's a good thing to not be sure about./s

but sure, slap a receiver on your hut, and the service will be cheap, i tell you, cheap!
and when it isn't two years later? sure, he's not in this for the bucks, but enriching the world thru his grand largesse just like bill gates and friends.

but srsly, look at that web of 16000 satellites, what could go wrong in practice, not in theory? and who controls the data flows? musk? a board? now someone had asked if they can be used for spying, which is a very good Q. but i do love that it brings flash trading on the markets to a whole 'nother level. ; )

ah, that's all for now, as my cynicism is wearing even me out. ; ) guess he didn't even have to ask for a permit (just kidding).

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There's not one that I didn't look at.

This project offers the fastest way to lift people out of poverty in every rural area of even the poorest countries of the world — without those countries building a digital infrastructure, which could delay development for decades. Currently, only one in seven people living in the world's least developed countries has access to the internet. Being connected can improve access to a complete education — especially for women and girls, important digital skills, vocational development, access to jobs and enterprise opportunities, better healthcare knowledge, access to government services and other aid, and a connection to the rest of the world.

The US has among the worst broadband penetration of all developed nations, available to only about 80 percent of the people. And the broadband that the US does have is among the slowest in the world. (It has the most latency or lag.) Rather than waiting many years for expensive cable to reach these people, if ever, they could have almost immediate access to the fastest internet in the world at costs less than Americans now pay. This makes all the difference in education and job training, improving health and environment, connecting people to emergency services and government services, finding work, building communities, and general social development. Giving people a chance to build a meaningful life and livelihood is key.

The Internet is a human right and a public utility.
The FCC is one of the regulators that Elon Musk answers to for this project.

This is not a final destination for Elon Musk. It's something he's doing along the way because he is developing heavy lift reusable rocket that makes this doable and cost efficient. Lag is a frustration in the digital world. Fiber optic cable offers the top speed we can get on land, but it is slow for many business processes, for International telephone service and teleconferencing, and for entertainment. Satellite digital services have been around for a long time, but those spacecraft maintain a high orbit, which also introduces lag. Starlink is a low orbit system that doesn't leave behind any space junk.

Elon Musk is not going into the ISP business. Other enterprises will maintain Starlink and profit from doing so. He has other plans. He's building a spaceship to carry a million people to Mars, where he plans to deploy a similar satellite communication system.

We have tools that can help people build better lives wherever they are located. We should give them access to these tools and unleash that talent.

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the highest connectivity rates in the world; pennies on the dollar my friend in switzerland had said. and yes, the FCC should be run as a public utility, but as to lifting the unconnected folks out of poverty, i'd offer these things:

you'd noted on my thread (essentially) that westerners don't have a clue what's in the minds of some tribes, you'd said, but i'd say human localities, in this case, but many seem to be content living simply, and only want to enough to afford basic needs, not to become capitalist consumers. online education from what i've witnessed, is very expensive, worthless in some respects, as everyone gets a A. only stories i'm familiar with, but still...

but i'd ask: do everyday citizens (of course the elites would, or so i'd imagine) in the undeveloped world/yet to emerge nations) want connectivity, including having to purchase devices, pay for the service and disc, and maybe have to pay even more later on? really all of this is totally bill gates appeal:

Being connected can improve access to a complete education — especially for women and girls, important digital skills, vocational development, access to jobs and enterprise opportunities, better healthcare knowledge, access to government services and other aid, and a connection to the rest of the world.

This makes all the difference in education and job training, improving health and environment, connecting people to emergency services and government services, finding work, building communities, and general social development. Giving people a chance to build a meaningful life and livelihood is key.

i just don't know that they want what 'WE' think the should want is all. i don't see the web as 'the great equalizer' it was promised to be. meaningful life comes thru connectivity? oh, my, darlin'; i cannae agree with that. even as the laughable keyboard warrior that i do be with my time, if i were able to still get out in the world, i'd toss all this stuff away in a milwaukee minute and do something actually meaningful and with local impact. well, in mancos, coloraddy that's not really possible, lol. but as sly said: ♪different strokes for different folks...♫♪

if i'm a visionary at all, my vision is a global revolution of higher consciousness is all that's needed. as in: 'we are many...and they are few'. ; )

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i'm out. makin' dinner, but thanks for the good comment thread and OP.

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@Pluto's Republic become so convinced that our current modern-ity should be spread everywhere over every inch of the world?

We don't need Musk to work on poverty, anymore than we need Dimon and Buffet working on health care, or Gates working on education.

We already have enough to lift everyone out of poverty. We've always had enough to alleviate poverty. Unfortunately, it is controlled by the elites who keep shoveling more dough into...what? New toys? Do you think any of them remotely care about poverty? Do you think that some new techie toy is going to open TPB hearts? Do you think that they will exploit labor less, which is really the root cause of poverty, just because of a new techie toy?

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@Pluto's Republic Gee, well, that's very comforting, coming from a guy who is a black hole for investors' money.

Didn't he also have problems with the SEC?

And yet another reason to keep this type of research 'in house' within the government, like the www.

We certainly don't need some guy like Musk getting any more power over governments and people.

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I wonder about the unintended consequences.

First time I saw a satellite it freaked me out. Back when I was still teaching and got up early. Went out to my car to get something around 5 and there it was, right above me. Sort of shaped like a Christmas tree.

This past year I took an insulating shade off an east facing window in our bedroom. There is a satellite visible pre-dawn every morning. This one is more like a rectangle.

Just depends on if it used for good or evil.

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"Make dirt, not war." eyo

Facebook...
Ooops, I meant Skynet. Oh well, what's the difference?

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@Snode
Is creepiness on steroids. How do the elites commandeer outer space for their own use? And how do we know this new blanketing of the signal waves is destined to be beneficial to any but said elites? Found out the reason US is fighting the Chinese Huawei 5G network. It is a layer that downgrades their military spy satellites' signals. The new war for world domination goes to space. Perhaps Musk is in on it?

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@QMS "Nevermind". The internet is the pool and we're the little baby swimming after the hook baited with the dollar bill. We're awesome! We think all this is all for our benefit, like deep fried twinkies.

I don't know about Musk. Bill Gates tried it about 20 years ago. In the end it's his satellite network, at least until someone takes it away from him. He's also just the first. Like drones every country will want their own.

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noted that just recently all sorts of reports are coming out about huawei and 5-g are seriously damaging to health? the claim is that the towers have to be far closer together or something, but it does make one wonder if it's more US v. china stuff or accurate. i'm just sayin'.

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uncle sam's pant leg already. Heard the other day 5G will diminish weather satellite forecasting. Fact or fiction? They can't predict 3 days ahead with accuracy already. Diminishing old spy tech useful life, truth or consequences.

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@QMS

huawei's 5g was that it was impenetrable by the NSA and other intel agencies. wish i could remember, i wrote about it when they had arrested the CFO, but my memory is only about 4 minutes long, unless it can produce a visual image.

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why the canucks would hold a foreign CEO in detention sorta smelled like rotten fish. They said it was about international treaties, or some such horse shit. When has the US empire (including their whipping child canada) ever cared about treaties? Just ask the natives. Never.

This is sounding more like a power ploy to rule the airwaves. We don't get a say. It's not about spreading freedom or access to information. It is about control. Pure and simple.

No lika atoll.

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@QMS

to be set aside, when convenient. emergency declarations rule, too, as do executive orders. ; )

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I'm completely undecided on Musk. He wants off this planet, so bad. Everything he does is about Mars, or MARS!!!

Boring Company, Space X, Tesla vehicles and energy, Global Communications - not sure if he's evil, the cushioned landing for evil, slightly evil, or not-evil at all. I trust him more than Google, Banksters, and FB, and he's terrified of Google which is a good sign...

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

@k9disc Was Oppenheimer less evil because he felt bad afterwards, but built the infernal thing anyway, or was Teller evil because when it came to bombs, when the prez said jump (build more), he asked how high?

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There may exist, on some karmic level, an understanding of a 'worse' evil. Like the worser of our choices in politics. The maker of the bombs and the delivery crew are of equal stature, AFAIAC. Wish we were debating good, better, best instead.

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If Space X owns all these satellites, then everyone who wants to use them, will have to pay Space X? It sounds like a new monopoly on data transmission to me. The Internet itself was supposed to give people access to truthful information. TPTB have managed to control it. Seems to me that they will do the same with this. Also can they be used for spying? Will there be anywhere on the planet one can escape the oligarchs in control?

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It is just access to the Internet.

Musk was trying to solve two problems with Starlink:

1. Slow connections or latency.
2. Access for all the people who have none. About 40 percent of the world population.

As for the business model, probably many enterprises will buy licenses to sell subscriptions in specific regions of the world. Musk is on the technology side, keeping it in working order. In his spare time.

As for spying, currently, the average American is caught on camera 75 times a day. That horse has left the barn. But no, these are rapidly orbiting, not great for talking pictures, so no cameras. Each has four moveable lasers that pass data from satellite to satellite and down to your receiver from the one that is overhead.

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@Pluto's Republic Sounds like it is not going to lower anyone's internet service bill.
The whole thing is amazing and something we need to know about. Thanks for posting.

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@Pluto's Republic
Handy, that little consolidation enterprise. Overwhelming data transmission will effectively superimpose a field over local data networks. And you think this is good? Horse left the barn my ass. If I have two shots of me per day, I'd be surprised.

The average american doesn't know what average is.

Misinformation, or cultured awareness is not of value.

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@Pluto's Republic

Well, in effect, it might as well be the Internet.

Mob Boss Businessman: "See that nice shiny thing over there? That's the Internet."
Potential Internet User: "Yeah, I"d like that."
Mob Boss Businessman: "Great! How much money is in your wallet?"
Potential Internet User: "Well, let me see... Only have three bucks here, Mister."
Mob Boss Businessman: "Ah, I see. No Internet for you then."
Potential Internet User: "Oh."

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@Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic I'm not convinced it would be as high-speed as he says, just because of the way satellite internet works: Internet signal goes from a fixed point on the ground, up to a satellite, or a chain of satellites depending on how far it needs to travel, and back down to your home. There's gonna be some lag. And bad weather conditions also affect the signal. We suffered with Hughes Net for a while; never again. (We have LTD Broadband now, which is fixed wireless from a signal on a cell tower a couple of miles away; it's much better.)

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This shit is bananas.

@Granma
Another golden carrot proffered for mass consumption. If you like social media (I don't), the you will love the new net! More, better brain candy.

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Scrolled through quickly to see comments, here is a link of interest.

https://www.axios.com/spacex-starlink-astronomers-satellites-dc43aa98-43...

I live under dark skies, and have dabbled in astronomy. I can name most of the constellations at any season, and most of their key stars. I am not thrilled with the idea of Musk, Bezos, and who knows how many others placing probably 50 THOUSAND or so by time they are all done, reflective objects in the night sky.

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