The Redbaiting Gets Ratcheted Up

This started with a tweet from a Biden surrogate:

The "team" editing on this hitpiece is painfully obvious. They wanted people to focus on the misleading caption of the original tweet: "Bernie Sanders lavishes praise on Communist Russia, preferring the Soviet Union to the American way of life."

Right before Bernie praised how accessible culture was to Soviet workers, he discussed how much American friendliness, technology, etc. were admired by Russians. During the press conference, he was also critical of the lack of democracy in the Soviet Union. The full press conference can be viewed here.

It seems that Lindy Li, the original tweeter of this fuckery is very proud that warmonger Bill Kristol and other leading neocons are retweeting her edited video to amplify it many times over. Let's not forget that Bill and his gang pushed the Iraq invasion that killed many thousands and still haunts us today. And don't forget that Kristol is head of a well funded effort targeting conservative independents to vote for Buttigieg or Klobuchar (my guess is most will opt not to vote for Buttigieg).

We all knew this was going to come. It's going to get worse. We really need to stand strong and united in solidarity to support Bernie now more than ever before. First they came for . . . .

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This is the kind of crap that's going to become more and more prevalent as we move towards Super Tuesday.

It seems that Lindy Li is also hiding tweet responses to her hit job tweet. Make sure you click on and look at the hidden replies to her tweet linked above in the essay, not just the ones immediately shown:

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@Wally

of their support of the Contras?

A bunch of murdering thugs who worked with the CIA on dirty arms and cocaine deals?

In that situation, I'd support the Sandinistas too, who were, after all, only guilty of holding views that the United States doesn't like.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
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Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@burnt out

Their masks are coming off for all to see their true faces:

https://twitter.com/ProudResister/status/1229278205225254913

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@burnt out

Brrrr!

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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This is the way the DNC cadre are starting off the week:

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@Wally

A very active one.

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@Pluto's Republic

David Corn is a CIA asset A very active one.

And, apparently, "thinking" and speaking alike via his Corn-hole!

Diablo

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Third Way dumbass Matt Bennett is so AFRAID of Bernie because he will lose to Herr Drumpf! Horrors! The host pushed back but Matt is convinced Bernie will lose to Herr Drumpf! I have to hand it to the host - he pushed back well.
Have a listen.

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@Raggedy Ann

Maybe we could counter with the idea that the DNC picked a loser last time. They may not know a winner when they see one.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

@Raggedy Ann Don't believe the polls unless they are the ones I like!!!!

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@MrWebster

The Third Wave guy was absolutely sputtering at the end.

He really made a fool of himself and all the rest of those centrist DINOs!

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

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@Raggedy Ann

For the first time in US history, the Left is on the verge of coalescing into a Political Party and gaining a real voice in US politics. The Left can't see it yet, but to the Right and to the Centrists, this is crystal clear.

They have good reason to be terrified. Once the People get a voice in government, the duopoly crime sprees will be exposed and and restitution will be paid.

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@Pluto's Republic
It's all we've got left for survival. I hope it's beginning to rain and they are melting. Help

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“The trouble [with injustice] is that once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And once you’ve seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There is no innocence. Either way, you’re accountable.”
-- Arundhati Roy

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@Pluto's Republic

like my hairdresser, may not support Bernie's policy ideas (they reiterate the "how's he gonna pay for it" canard) but they're not authoritarian. What I mean is, they disagree with me, but they have no problem with me existing and expressing myself through a political party or movement. In fact, they sometimes see a parallel between my difficulties with the Democratic party and theirs with the Republicans. (It's remarkably different than it was with the Bush Republicans in the early oughts).

But I'm guessing you mean the right-wing corporatists/fascists. At this point, I don't see a lot of daylight between them and the "centrists."

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

....the Democratic and Republican Parties will melt together. In a Ven diagram, their circles will almost completely overlap because their ultimate top-down goals are nearly identical. (I should really start diagramming these concepts.) The Left [People's] Party circle sits above them and overlap a small section on top of each, because while there are some shared values, the ultimate goal of the Left is vastly different from the shared goal of the Duopoly:

The Intermediate goals of the Republicans gives the states the full authority to manage domestic issues as they see fit. They wish to pay Federal taxes only for national services (like post offices, ports, National Parks, transportation, and veterans affairs) and Pentagon services (international murder and mayhem). But no taxes are paid for any agencies other than State, Defense, Justice, and Transportation. They will pay for Treasury and IRS, but only with full hands-on oversight by the states. Health, Education, Housing, Welfare = $0 federally — these go to state control where Americans have no legal human rights that demand any of these services. Energy, Environmental, Financial = as needed but there will be no regulatory power over the states that do not wish to participate. The rest (like CDC, weather, mining, energy. coastal, immigration, etc.) can squeeze into the Department of Defense or contract individually with the states. Those elected to the House and the Senate are in DC to represent local government contractors, local trade issues, and the interests of locally-based corporations. They will vote on renaming post offices, tax cuts, and Federal laws and budgets, and they will divert everything else to states authorities. Ultimate Goal = Liberty for the Individual and Corporations.

The Democrats have the same Ultimate Goal. However, their Intermediate goals focus on bundling and regulating social diversity in order to control the population. The Republicans prefer to use religion to control the People. Both embrace state militarized police and the expansion of prisons. The remainder of their differences are the veils that obscure the truth: Both are committed to reducing the US standard of living through regressive taxes, fee-based public services, automation, competitive employment opportunities, stealth inflation, and asset seizure. This weakens mass resistance and enriches the authorities.

The People have no international goals. They don't know how to think about that. The authorities have already conquered the US population in that regard, which was their only vulnerability. The use of mercenary soldiers and foreign armies will keep the people in a coma.

Without a Left Party forming for the first time ever in the US, this is our fate.

The Party of the Left believes that governments were created to benefit the lives of the people and help them all achieve their individual and collective aspirations.

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@Pluto's Republic

right-wing individualists fall? These are people who might vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson--or Trump. Or, sometimes, a Tea Partier.

I don't think they are an entirely comfortable fit with the Republicans, although maybe more so than I am with the Democrats.

Otherwise, I see what you see. Well, that's one of the four kinds of "realignment" I see happening, not all of which would result in a political party per se.

It would be interesting for us to write an essay together about this (but no pressure, obviously).

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

...because they are stripped of any sense of community with people they don't know, and disassociate with society at large. They have no desire to intervene in the lives of others — either to help them or to enslave them. They share Republican values of the fiscal conservative and saw some political advantage to joining with the Republican Party to block overall government spending (on either domestic programs or military intervention). They were wrong about Republicans spending but realize that only Republicans would vote them into office. Otherwise, they are outsiders to the Republican Party the same way that Sanders is an outsider to the Democratic Party. Sure Libertarians might tend to be socially conservative, but they'd rather group in enclaves with their own kind than police the same behavior in others. They correctly perceive that intervention is a slippery slope that will consume their own liberty.

Every year both Parties shrink in size while the vast majority of Americans sit outside the Parties and outside the US democratic process. Those who still want the option to vote will join the Independents, a group that now dwarfs both Parties.

I personally see no need to count the votes in Federal elections. You may not agree, but let's discuss that again after the herd is thinned and the 2020 election is held.

I think a collaboration is a fine idea. Since you have the vision of that in mind, I think you should direct the project when you are ready, and I'll be pleased to participate.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Raggedy Ann I have my shop radio permanently tuned to NPR because when it comes to talk radio in this area it's either NPR, some zealot trying to cram religion down my throat or Rush Limbaugh. Not a whole lot to pick from out here in the sticks. So it gives me something to listen to while I'm piddling around in the shop and they do occasionally discuss things that you won't hear discussed on the totally corporate owned networks, But trust me, listening does not necessarily equate with believing and I listen with a very critical ear. It's not that hard to sort out what's bullshit and what isn't if you're looking for it. When it comes to Bernie they haven't been exactly cheering for him so I was a bit surprised at the push-back against Bennet's fear mongering, more than I've grown to expect from them. OTOH I would have much preferred they hadn't even allowed that fool any airtime air time at all. Let's see if they have a pro Sanders person on to give a rebuttal to Bennet's bullshit. Any bets?

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@burnt out https://www.kskq.org/

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@Cassiodorus I think the complete domination of the airwaves by religion and/or right wing hate radio here is a huge factor in this being solid Trump country. It's literally all they hear, from the day they're born. In 2016 I never saw one Bernie sign (other than mine)in this or the adjoining county. Mine are the only ones up so far this year too. It's sad.

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All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth. John Lennon

@burnt out has done a lot of damage to this country, IMHO. Both my parents were ardent Rush fans, as well as some of the other lunatics who bloviate on RWNJ radio. When Trump was campaigning I could not help but feel that he took all that racism and hate from RWNJ media and in a way shoved it right into the Repugnant party's face - you want racism, you voted by it all these decades and now he'll give it to you right out in the open, no dog whistle needed anymore. And look how many are now "Never Trumpers" while they listen to the hate on RWNJ radio. Of course they won't look in a mirror or make the connection between what they worship and what they do, but then again, Democrats are hardly any better at that. As someone who basically "lost" my entire family to hate radio and in particular Rush Limbaugh I can't wait for the day these bastards leave this earthly realm, although the damage they did is already done so really, I guess that doesn't matter one bit. Their hate will live on in the shallow minds of the willfully ignorant.

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@lizzyh7 I've always felt that hate radio was the elephant in the room that nobody seemed to notice except those that actually bought into it . I agree with you, it's done tremendous damage, far more than I ever see acknowledged. I've always wondered how it is that a bloviating psychopath like Limbaugh could spread his hatred into millions of homes all across this country with no liberal broadcast of equal size to counteract the damaging influence it has. The older generation here is pretty much a lost cause already as near as I can tell in trying to talk to them but what bothers me most is that the youngsters around here are growing up listening to the same hate filled rhetoric. I've heard it coming from car speakers in the local high school parking lot. Makes me cringe when I think what's happening to their still forming brain cells as they listen to him.

I hear the poor mind-sick bastard is physically sick now so hopefully his days of polluting the minds of youngsters is about over but the sad part is there are dozens like him already in the wings waiting to fill the vacancy.

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@lizzyh7

That's how Hate Radio got started. Operatives bought most of the nation's AM broadcast stations and created monopolies that could brainwash the population. The AM spectrum is a various insidious one. It follows the terrain and dips into every nook and cranny. AM was selected to target the truckers that rolled across America. The truckers carried the mind virus that infected the nation. Same monopoly strategy happened with TV and cable. The Nazis showed us how to use media to control the minds of the people. The US knew better, and this was once regulated so monopolies could not form. We had a fairness doctrine back then. Radio station owners should be local and unaffiliated. But we forgot. If we had a living constitution, this would have been added along with anti-trust principles. But our Slave-Owners Constitution is a dead thing that blocks USians from obtaining common human rights.

This is also why you don't want billionaires to form. Taxation should recycle extreme profits back into the economy before they can be used for socially poisonous purposes.. The 2020 elections are largely paid for by 40 billionaires who represent there one percent. We don't have to guess where that leads. We can just look around. In four years we will be back here again (If the Left is still loitering with the Democrats instead of building their own Party) — meeting as political hobbists and RPG activists on backwater websites.

Let us hope the Millennials don't listen to anyone over 45 who want to teach them what's impossible.

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@burnt out
he has now personally stated that he has a problem ~

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/news/88628/rush-limbaugh-says-he-has-advanc...

Many more confirming details on a DDG search.

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Let's go over the points carefully:

1) Omigod solar has a storage problem! We should never use it again. Actually this is just a technical problem, one that can be solved soon.

2) Fracking has a real methane problem, and methane is by far the most dangerous greenhouse gas in terms of immediate contributions to climate forcing.

3) Nuclear power -- hm. Even if you could get rid of the nuclear accident and waste storage problems, the main problem with nuclear power would then be that most of the world's uranium ores are low-grade ores, and that the world's high-grade ores would be used up in five or six years if there were to be a significant ramp-up of nuclear power. Nuclear power is already cost-ineffective, requiring massive Federal subsidy -- running a global system on low-grade ores will make it even moreso. As for thorium breeder reactors, everyone in the thorium breeder reactor industry loves the idea, but where is their traction? It's not like there are more than a couple of thorium breeder reactors worldwide. Inquiring minds want to know.

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"Neither time nor cognitive decline has, however, has calmed (Biden's) blood lust or a lifelong commitment to planetary collapse." -- Jennifer Matsui

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@Cassiodorus

          Also, I am a Particle / Nuclear Physicist. If you don't understand the shabby state of affairs in the nuclear industry, I could spend some time educating you. But you wouldn't like to know the real story, because, it starts with the fact that the EPA has never honestly documented the natural background radiation in the environment.

RIP

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

@Cassiodorus plagiarist whom CNN allowed to keep his show? But with the usual corporate-friendly commentaries like this, it's no wonder. Fareed is happy to protect the Big Energy interests, and his corporate bosses, and their corporate sponsors, are happy too. Fareed is no deep thinker, but he does know who signs his fat paychecks.

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@wokkamile https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fareed-zakaria-suspended-...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/02/michael-kinsley-fareed-zakaria-p...

https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/09/the-wrongs-of-fareed-zakari...

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"Neither time nor cognitive decline has, however, has calmed (Biden's) blood lust or a lifelong commitment to planetary collapse." -- Jennifer Matsui

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@Cassiodorus In 2016 Cuomo gave $8 billion in ratepayer financed subsidies to a nuke company to keep 2 nuke plants open in Scriba, NY. What little manufacturing done in Upstate NY can get electricity cheaper from gas burning plants. Plenty of cheap dirty fracked gas from PA even if NY has (for the moment) banned fracking.

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          Haven't any of these idiots ever seen how Trump admires the dictators of the world. The doe eyed expression on his face is such a tell.

          And, I should take these idiots seriously. Give me a break.

          Wow, just wow!

RIP

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It could happen.

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@Wally is stupid enough to claim another "error" in the electronic vote tally when Bernie wins in Nevada. I expect it and I also think they'll regret it.

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All I want is the truth. Just give me some truth. John Lennon

@burnt out this a.m. about how the training of caucus leaders has been sloppy and inconsistent, with some not yet trained to deal with the new post-new app situation. And info about early caucus voting has not been aggressively disseminated.

I wouldn't recommend another Iowa disaster for the party going forward. Once is an accident. Twice is gross negligence. (3 times is a conspiracy of party hacks.).

Certainly I would imagine the calls for Tony Perez to step down would be overwhelming.

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@wokkamile I don't see any way they can get away with again but I'm not convinced they won't make the attempt.

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@burnt out
A process I realized would have been very easy to set up as things went computerized in the business world in the 80s -- so will be very familiar now. Think about A-monopoly, for only one likely example, who could calculate fractions of pennies per hour, and then just keep reducing real wages.
When votes become numbers they easily translate to the benefit of those paying for the totals.

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@Wally Especially if he wins NV -- which would be 3 wins out of 3 -- as Biden continues to fade. That would further cut into Joe's thin Name ID/Electability lead in SC, which was always unreal and built on a weak foundation of unchallenged assertions' of Biden's alleged electability.

Meanwhile Bootajudge's momentum seems to have stalled after NH, which overall is a good thing for the party and the country. Though Bernie should hope Boot hangs in there a little longer to dilute the moderate vote, particularly as Bloomberg begins to compete after SC. He, Liz and Klobbachair can continue, for a while, to dilute the anti-Bloomie moderate vote. Although it's possible Amy or Liz, strapped for cash, will have to drop out after SC.

I have hopes that the recent surge by MB is going to hit a ceiling and begin to taper off. If he manages to make the next debate or two, it might not be a positive for his campaign. There's just too much there in his recent political past to answer for, at least on a par with Biden's negatives, and this terrible truth about Mike is still getting its boots on.

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If Biden, Klobuchar and Buttigieg all fall to the wayside after Super Tuesday (and Warren is still in it), then we'll know the fix is in. Which side are you on, Liz, which side are you on?

I just don't know how much voting support Bloomberg can muster up. I'd like to think that Bernie will prevail in a one-on-one vs Bloomberg. But all that freaking money, aye-aye-aye!

There's an interesting article in the new Winter 2020 Jacobin "Will Big Money Defeat Bernie Sanders" -- an interview of Thomas Ferguson by Paul Heideman. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like they've updated the website edition yet. Being a Groucho Marxist, I'm not a member of DSA, but it's well worth subscribing to Jacobin. The magazine, istm, gets better every month.

From their introductory essay to the current issue:

If the movement coalescing behind Sanders fails to win this time, there's no guarantee it can be resuscitated under a new banner. In fact, it's just as likely that we'll be left adrift for years, if not decades.

I realize other folks are more optimistic than me about other politicians' future prospects. I don't mean to dissuade folks from keep on keepin' on, though. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I just sincerely hope that we can unite in solidarity this time while the iron is hot and the critical mass is exactly that.

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@Wally but I think the only reason the democratic party exists anymore is to stop the left.

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@Snode

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

@Wally person to pick up Bernie's banner when his battery finally runs out. Charismatic, principled, and 50 yrs younger than Bernie. The current small group of progs in Congress is likely to grow larger after November and overall the party will have a different tone, esp if Bernie manages to get elected.

I continue to remain bullish on Dem prospects of defeating Trump, and it's likely to be the prospect of finally ridding ourselves of the wannabe dictator more than anything else that will drive enough D-side turnout to make that happen. I do not buy the FUD being spread around about Dem chances, some of it by R mischief makers, and I think most of the centrist wing will eventually come around. Dems will not need the blessings of Chris Matthews, Peggy Noonan, Bill Kristol, Brian Williams nor Joy Reid, and will do themselves no good trying to chase the elusive votes of the inconsequential Never Trumpers and other moderate Rs. That didn't work last time (apart from the 3m, and unless it's true that actually a few states like MI, FL and NC were stolen from HRC in the official count).

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@wokkamile

If Bernie's not the nominee, I don't see too much incentive for a high turnout that's substantially any different than it was in 2016.

Up the road? I'm not even interested in speculating. From my perspective, it's now or never. I don't want to be humming along to ther refrain from:

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@Wally Hillary had it in the bag, all the way. That didn't help turnout. (I'm going to start reading a book soon which apparently claims there was some important divergence from the exit polling in MI, FL and NC in her favor, which of course didn't play out in the final results.) But no, actually Ds thought Donald was a bit of a joke and never took him seriously.

Today of course it's the opposite, too many Nervous Nellie lefties listening to other NNs (and covert Rs) about how Donald is the Unstoppable Force Blah Blah Blah.

Maybe with Bloomberg as the D nominee, or Biden.

Otherwise, this election will be all about the issue of Donald, and not ultimately in his favor.

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@wokkamile

made it look like he was the front runner. ABC ran whole segments of his commercial as news! Plus his commercials air as commercials as well. The Kochs could only dream of buying an election this easily. I hope Bernie can prevail.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

@Lily O Lady Bloomberg in the debates and in ads and stump speeches. The polite hands-off approach would be very risky to Bernie's chances, and it won't be effective just to counter on the usual substantive issues.

Bloomberg's paying off people approach to becoming president is so blatant, Bernie's people need to be ready with a few clever noteworthy zingers to use to bring mini-Mike down a further notch, well below the lectern. There is no more effective messaging than the clever put down that hits the mark, of the type that even the Mike-friendly MSM cannot ignore.

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@wokkamile

... and Bernie is testing them out on the campaign trail:

See: https://twitter.com/davidsirota

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@Wally
It looks like a variation on the "Bernie has a cap" argument.
What I think Bernie has is a core of support (a floor rather than a cap) amounting to the 25%-30% we've seen so far. I have to admit that I'm not happy with the turnout in the first two contests, Bernie needs better turnout to beat the DNC and then to beat Trump.
The "cap" argument is that the remaining 70% are yearning for a centrist, they just haven't settled on a single candidate. I think the reality is that while a few of that 70% do indeed want something that Bernie is not (a centrist, a woman, a person of color, etc.), most of them want someone who can win. The way Sanders proves that he can win is by winning. Posting victories in the first three or four contests plus lots of wins on Super Tuesday will convince enough voters and he'll start scoring over 50% in the popular vote.

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@WoodsDweller

I can't find it right off, I recall it was posted somewhere on C99%, but there was a tweet about a poll that shows that Bernie beats the other candidates in one-on-one contests. If anybody can find that I'd appreciate it if you replied with it here.

It shows, istm, that Bernie has both a higher floor and a higher ceiling than the other candidates.

My biggest concern right now is that Warren will gum up the works if the other candidates, besides Bloomberg, all drop out. Then we have a situation where Warren becomes a "left" vote splitter. At this point, though, I wonder if most of her supporters aret pretty much all centrists who would vote for Bloomberg over Bernie if she also drops out.

But let's not forget how egotistical these folks, aside from Bernie, are when it comes right down to it. They are not part of a movement. They are in it to advance their careers. If they have the money, they may stick it out to the convention in hopes they can get the nomination via a second ballot if all the stars fall into place for them.

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@Wally this YouGov poll from a few days ago.

Scroll down to the last para to read the author's amusing take on Joe Biden.

As for Liz, I think she's a spent force, very unlikely to rebound. If she stays in much longer with little or nothing to show for it except a lot of money spent, it will be with dwindling support and therefore dwindling leverage in the primary process, and dwindling clout with Bernie.

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@wokkamile

Yep, thanks Wok, that's the one:

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          Well the statutes of limitations apply, right ‽, so was is the operative word. For what it was worth. I harbored refugees from central america. My small group of malcontents, the Sandinistas Del Norte, were active for some time:

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@PriceRip

women who bought property in Virginia on the Potomac which eventually ended up being the site of the CIA. They were labor activists who harbored refugees from Central America among other things. I can’t post the link due to being tablet-challenged, but maybe you can find it. It’s interesting.

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Hello, hello, hello.

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Of course we all want clean, efficient, cheap mass transit

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