Perez and Pelosi are being challenged

It appears that Old Guard leadership of the Democratic Party may not be able to just waltz back into power. At least not without a fight.
For starters, a 'Never Nancy' caucus is forming.

The revolt inside the Democratic Party against Nancy Pelosi's return to the House speakership is gaining momentum with a growing number of Democrats signing a letter pledging not to support the California Democrat for speaker.

“It’s going to get ugly,” a senior House Democrat told Fox News.

Fox News has confirmed at least 17 House Democrats, including incumbents and incoming members, have signed on to a document saying they will not support Pelosi on the House floor for speaker. A Democrat familiar with the effort says they are trying to add more names before the letter is publicly released.

If all those Democrats vote against Pelosi on the floor, Pelosi would not have the votes for speaker. To get the gavel, Pelosi will first need to pick up a majority of the Democratic Caucus in internal leadership elections, then go on to win an absolute majority of the House.

Reps. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts and Filemon Vela of Texas are two of the Democrats leading the fight for new leadership, and they appear to be winning. But nothing is set in stone yet.

According to a CNN tally, 10 incoming freshman have said they'd oppose Pelosi, while 13 incumbents have vowed to oppose her.
But it's unclear if those members might vote against her in the caucus yet vote for her on the House floor. After the 2016 elections, 63 Democrats opposed Pelosi in the leadership races but nearly all of them voted for her later on the floor.

Pelosi is incredibly unpopular with voters. Nearly half of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents want someone else.

Both the Progressive Caucus and the neoliberal New Democrats Caucus gained in the last election, so nothing was really settled as far as direction of the party.

The Progressive Caucus had 78 members and is expecting a net gain of at least 13 members, after factoring in retirements. That leaves the CPC at somewhere between 91 and 97 members.
Progressives would have done far better if the DCCC hadn't supported corporate Dems over progressives by a ratio of 100 to 1.

The pro-business New Democrat Coalition currently has 68 members and should have at least 89 members next year.

On the other hand, when it comes to the issues, incoming Democrats are leaning left.

The resulting data shows that 65 percent of the incoming House freshman class embraced some version of Medicare-for-all or expanding Social Security benefits. Almost 80 percent embraced lowering prescription drug costs by challenging Big Pharma. And 82 percent favored challenging corporate power in our political system by rejecting corporate PAC money, passing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United or passing campaign finance reform such as public financing of elections.

As Vox’s Matthew Yglesias reported, this stands in stark contrast to “what a moderate Democrat looked like in the very recent past.”

The Congressional Black Caucus took a shot at Tom Perez at the DNC, but for the worst reason.

Members passed a measure inside their caucus stating they have “no confidence” in Perez as DNC chair. Black Caucus members remain upset with how Perez handled the historic August vote to strip superdelegates of their power during the party’s presidential nominating process. The changes block superdelegates — elected officials and party leaders — from casting a vote for any presidential candidate unless a second ballot is required at the 2020 national convention.
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“I think just a lack of respect for our members — you know during the Hillary [Clinton] race if we went to 300 places for Congress, we went to 400-500 places for Hillary,” Richmond said of Black congressional members. “It’s one of the things with being a party leader.”

More proof that the AA community is being poorly represented.

In the Senate, OTOH, there was no drama at all.

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claiming that the Democrats first priority is passing HR 1. Oh, yes, and insurance coverage for those with pre-existing conditions (which, of course, is already the law). Not a whisper about Medicare for All.

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...is still going to happen but I am not hearing shit from the MSM on this topic. Progressives know Pelosi and Schumer gotta go but it appears the Dems will sacrifice more elections for their sake.

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"You know that we only have the ACA because of Nancy right?"

Heh, exactly. Nancy made sure that we were still stuck with insurance companies instead of having single payer. Plus she's the biggest fundraiser-er ever! Gotta have lots and lots of money to get into and stay in congress doncha know?

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@snoopydawg
most complete and astonishing nationwide legislative implosion of a political party that anybody living can remember, and then be handed the gavel to try again, is beyond bizarre.

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@UntimelyRippd

against anyone who opposes the magnificent Pelosi. She is being hailed as the architect and mastermind of the blue wave. Only took me 5 days to be sorry I voted against Trump and for the Dems. I still waffle on who I hate more.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich

Anytime I see bi-partisan, my skin crawls.

Ten Democrats in the bipartisan, 48-member group are vowing to withhold their support for Pelosi — or any other Speaker nominee — unless the candidate commits, in writing, to certain changes in House rules designed to empower rank-and-file lawmakers and break partisan gridlock. --snip

Unveiled earlier in the year, the Problem Solvers rules package consists of 10 proposals designed to empower individual members and grease the skids for passage of popular bipartisan bills that, in recent years, have frequently been ignored.

Central to their reforms is a proposal requiring a supermajority vote — three-fifths of the House — to pass any legislation brought to the floor under a closed rule, and another ensuring fast-track consideration of any bill co-sponsored by at least two-thirds of the chamber.

It also proposes changes designed to prevent a small group of hard-liners from using threats to “vacate the chair” as a bludgeon to keep certain legislation off the floor, as the far-right Freedom Caucus has done in recent years.

Gottheimer on Tuesday declined to say if his Speaker’s vote will hinge on the nominee endorsing the entire package or just parts of it. He argued that all sides have a stake in breaking the legislative logjam.

“What’s most important, and what we’ve been focusing on, are those [proposals] that actually allow bipartisan ideas and legislation … to make it to the floor and get a debate,” Gottheimer said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/416529-new-hurdle-arises-to-pelosis-m...

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@dkmich

“Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.”

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THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

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@dkmich
Despite 3, possibly 4 establishment Democrats having lost their seats in the Senate.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Nate and Markos.

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@gjohnsit
they aren't grounded in science, they're grounded in ideology, the marketist fetish of the majority of american economists.

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@gjohnsit Nate knows the Dems will screw him if need be to have their corp. lackey, and he knows the MSM will again do the Bernie blackout thing, and he knows the polls will be rigged so he won't qualify to get on debates, etc., ad. infinitum. I hope he's wrong.

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@gjohnsit Kamala Harris down our throats begins.....

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Perez and Pelosi are being challenged.

Time for the knacker's yard. Especially Pelosi. Perez is little more than a place man.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref "Perez is little more than a place man." But he is SOOOOO good at it. He has never said regurgitated anything except a talking point. He'd phone it in if he could still get the check. Perez, Obama's pick to rebuild those thousand Dem seats lost. Another great example of Obama acumen sabotage.

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@dystopian

Chuckle. A mainstream 'Democrat' indeed.

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Gëzuar!!
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@dystopian

@Bollox Ref

to give a speech to some techno dudes and dudets next week. No word on ticket price$ yet, but I doubt that they will be cheap. Maybe it's just me, but if I got $37.5 million for writing a book I think I'd be just fine with that and spend the rest of my life going places and having fun. Hell, I wouldn't even need that much. But who am I to judge others after they sold out?

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@snoopydawg

have a hard time coming up with a compelling activity/existence that doesn't revolve around 'them'.

(See WJC, HRC, BHO, DT)

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Gëzuar!!
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@snoopydawg Meanwhile Michelle is out on her book tour talking up how Barack told her 'it is not all about money'. To me, trying to cover up what it is all about to the Clinton emulators, the Obamas. Barack did not do anything in 8 years that wasn't for the money in future checks from its mongers. He was the best black president the Republicans ever had.

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@snoopydawg

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

@snoopydawg From 2016 but no less relevant today and when it first came out I immediately bookmarked it.

Obama Fails Again With Out-Of-Touch Speech That Proves How Bad He Is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=DrqAUebq6Ic

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@Bollox Ref

Time for the knacker's yard. Especially Pelosi. Perez is little more than a place man.

From Wikipedia:

A Knacker (/ˈnækər/), Knackerman or Knacker Man, is a job title used for the centuries-old trade of persons responsible in a certain district for the removal and clearing of animal carcasses (dead, dying, injured) from private farms or public highways and rendering the collected carcasses into by-products such as fats, tallow (yellow grease), glue, bone meal, bone char, sal ammoniac, soap, bleach and animal feed. A knacker's yard or a knackery is different from a slaughterhouse or abattoir, where animals are slaughtered for human consumption. Since the Middle Ages, the age-old occupation of "knacker man" was frequently considered a disreputable occupation, and subsidiary to their occupation were often also commissioned by the courts as public executioners. In most countries, knackery premises are a government licensed trade and regulated by law.

"You know she's too damn old when you can't even make a decent fricassee out of her!" -- Alferd Packer to George Donner

Wink

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@thanatokephaloides
there's an old canadian poem, "God Sour the Milk of the Knacking Wench", in which the poet rages against the itinerant woman whose job was traveling from farm to farm castrating the livestock.

similarly, i knew some people in scotland who believed that the phrase "i'm knackered" -- meaning "exhausted" -- originally implied "worn out from sex".

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AGCC is happening.
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My God...

Americans live in a twilight zone of stupidity and self-induced amnesia, asphyxiating themselves on a smog of lies, delusions, and hallucinations.

Pelosi is a liberal, a sadistic, rich, monstrous liberal who only cares about herself and her wealth. Instead of giving us single payer, we got the ACA which was a boondoggle for the insurance companies. Because of the ACA instead of us having single payer, and since it is estimated that about 45,000 people die because of lack of healthcare, that means that we have an estimate of about 400,000 people have died since the passing of the ACA because of the greed, but most importantly, malice of people like Pelosi.

This walking Crypt Keeper, seemingly intoxicated on some medication that causes the worst slurring and speech giving I've seen, is a neoliberal manifestation of what America is today -- a society of rich old people like her who want nothing more than to kill poor people, all the while smugly walking around believing they are good people.

Fuck Nancy Pelosi, and fuck anyone who likes her.

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@Strife Delivery

Pelosi is a

... neo-...

liberal, a sadistic, rich, monstrous

... pseudo- ...

liberal who only cares about herself and her wealth.

Liberal with our freedoms, rights, and money; but stingy with hers and that of her 0.1%er ilk.

This walking Crypt Keeper, seemingly intoxicated on some medication that causes the worst slurring and speech giving I've seen, is a neoliberal manifestation of what America is today -- a society of rich old people like her who want nothing more than to kill poor people, all the while smugly walking around believing they are good people.

Fuck Nancy Pelosi, and fuck anyone who likes her.

Not with my dick, if you please! Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides