Open Thread - Thurs 04 Jan 2024 - British Home Children
British Home Children and Barnardo's Boys - A personal Tale
Immigration is always in the news, it seems. Always. Once upon a time, immigration into the USA and Canada was mostly by white people. These people did not always come willingly, and were often not treated well once here. In the USA, check out the 'No Irish Need Apply' statements from the 1800's, for one example. For an example of harsh working conditions, how's about the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory? These white immigrants often came from the same impoverished, abusive and horrible situations modern immigrants nowadays leave in their home countries to try for a better place here. And often, the places they found here weren't that much better than those they had left, at least at first.
British Home Children working in the fields. From the BBC story discussed below.
I recently ran across an article about a box of glass negatives of photos of 'British Home' children - impoverished, homeless, orphaned and abandoned children, who were sent overseas to a 'better life' in Canada. The box of negatives was recently found in a Scottish auction house in Glasgow and was bought by the charity Home Children Canada. The pictures in the box are of young boys who 'trained' to become agricultural workers on a farm in Scotland before being sent to Canada to work on a farm there.
Thousands of orphaned and poor children were sent to fill the labour shortages overseas during the late Victorian era. Although the incentives were to give these young children a better life, the reality was very different. Children were unpaid and had no choice in their move. They were separated from family, and many were abused or neglected by those that took them in as cheap labour.
(From the BBC article linked above)
Over 100,000 children were sent overseas to Canada in the late 1800s and early to mid 1900s from Britain several charities, including the Barnardo's charity in England. Of course the children might die before they were sent overseas.
Anyway, my great-grandfather was one of those children. He was a 'Barnardo's Boy'. When Great-grandpa was about 11-13 (around 1900) he was thrown out of his home in a town near London. He was apparently old enough to be on his own. He and his family were poor before he was thrown out, after, he was utterly destitute. He lived for a couple of years by begging on the streets of London, often sleeping in the London train stations (helping workers clean them and more) and working on the trains.
Eventually he was captured and given to the Barnardo's charity. They sent him to Canada to become an agricultural worker, essentially, a slave on a farm. And slave he was. He was sometimes allowed to sleep in the hay in the barn with the animals, at other times he slept in the fields. He was beaten and starved. He ran away as soon as he could. He was caught and punished several times before he finally escaped for good. He was in his late teens by the time he escaped. He made his way into the nearest big city and by chance met up with a group of traveling workers, electricians.
The electricians were part of the huge crew that got electricity and electrical lines set up to run across the entire width of Canada. Great-grandpa immediately glommed onto the electricians, earning their trust and help by doing all kinds of small jobs for them - fetching tools, cleaning things, making meals, carrying stuff, helping them up and down the poles and so on and just being there. He was allowed, by them, to travel with them as they moved across Canada laying the electric lines. By the time they reached western Canada a few years later later, he had learned the trade and was an electrician, going up the poles himself, running the lines, working, working, working, but at a job he wanted and loved and one in which he was not treated as a slave. He worked as an electrician all his life, and much of his life was good. Obviously, I am very grateful that he was not one of the children who died from the abuse they suffered, or starvation. I am not surprised, because of my Great-grandpa's story, to learn that those children existed and suffered so much.
So, thanks for reading a little bit of family history and here's the open thread - and remember, everything is interesting if you dive deep enough, so tell us about where you're diving!
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Happy First Thursday of 2024!
Let's start the year off right, with having a great Thursday!
We are getting the greenhouse ready for the first of the year's seedling plantings. Lots of washing, sorting and planning. But not nearly as much as when we ran the CSA on the farm. Out in the fields, everything is wet!
Hope all is well with everyone. Let us know what's up and how you are doing and what you are reading/learning/whatever today!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Hey, good morning
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I believe my grand fathers' forebears immigrated to the US around the time of the
Irish potato famine, circa 1840's. Five brothers worked their way across as crew on
sailing ships, then headed for the hills to find brides. Next hit the winds.
One became a photographer in Charleston. My branch had one who became
a Presbyterian minister in Tonawanda, NY. The Irish famine refugees were mostly
absorbed into the fabric of the US. Some as whalers in Nantucket.
Not sure of the provenance of these claims, but makes a good story. I wonder how
the current influx of immigrants will be absorbed?
Thanks for the OT!
question everything
Good morning...
Great story from your family.
Horatio Alger: The Myth of the American Dream sometimes was true.
Wonderful that your great gran did escape and achieve a meaningful life.
Here's to making 2024 a year of substance and meaning. Thanks for the OT!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Your grandfather's history
is really interesting. It sounds like a Dickens novel. I'm glad he survived that brutal childhood. His trek across the Canadian wilderness as a young man installing electricity would be an adventure story in itself. I imagine he could rival Farley Mowat and a whole slew of other adventurers with fascinating tales regarding that experience.
Best wishes for your planting endeavors! Thanks for the OT and a good Thursday to you as well.
Good morning Sima, a very interesting story/history.
Though not necessarily nearly as dramatic, I suspect that most of us here are descended from immigrants, some legal and some maybe not so much. After all ...
It continues cold here, for us, at any rate. Good luck with your greenhouse, we have 3 beds with winter crops, cabbage, peas, garlic and shallots, all outside and open to the weather, which hasn't really frosted yet, and likely won't, but it is still too damn cold to go out and weed them; 5 minutes or less and your hands tell you to stop. No doubt because we are wimps and acclimated to milder temps, a condition we intend to nurture with frequent trips to the central coast and at least one to the Mexican Riviera.
That still leaves plenty to do here inside, even with no working oven. We have determined that it is cheaper to replace than repair and have acquired a replacement, but not for delivery and install before February for our own scheduling convenience. The only down side is that we will very likely finish all of our homemade sourdough bread and have to buy commercial, but local commercial ain't necessarily all that bad, especially one source of pugliese, so, to quote Eddie Cochran, who cares.
Ah well stuff to do. Thanks for the family history and OT
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Schat's Dutch Bakery
Ever try Schat's (Bishop) Sheepherder bread? It is to die for.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/erick-schat-s-bakkery
Just looked, can't believe they have one in Ukiah now!
https://www.schats.com/our-story
I ate a LOT of loaves of that sheepherders bread...
be well amigo!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
CAn't say that I have, but I've had some great Armenian
sheepherder bread down Fresno way. Next time I get to Bishop or Ukiah I'll look for some.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Hi all,
Hi Sima,
Wow! What a story. Incredible. Thanks for sharing it!
My dad's side came over in 1749, original Pennsylvania Dutch Germans. On mom's side grandma came over at age 4 with her parents, from Holland, in wooden shoes. Her father became quite well off as a machinist, eventually owning a company in LA, made it big. After he died when nana got sick they bled her of two houses worth $700k (when that was real money) keeping her alive fairly incapacitated in a nursing home for years. Until the house money was gone through.
Here is something interesting... Ants: anti-biotic experts
https://phys.org/news/2024-01-matabele-ants-infected-wounds-antibiotics....
Hope it good all over yonder for all!
edit minor correction - and to fix link
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
those ants are amazing
thanks for sharing it!
btw, if you add an h before your link's address
(as in httips) it works better
question everything
oops - link fixed
Sorry about that all...
Thanks to QMS for the heads-up!
link now fixed... was a cut and paste error due to haste.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
SIma, the photo will appear in your essay
...if you use only the following text between the quotation marks:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/A03F/production/_132132014_243361242_10158204484291714_6802383968302452992_n.jpg
the picture in question ..
thanks!
question everything
Thanks for posting the pic...
I didn't realize it wasn't showing up, because it shows up for me. Nuts!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Wow, didn't realize that..
The photo shows up in the essay (and it's preview) for me. Didn't realize it had not shown up for others. Thank you! I will fix it immediately.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
The family story has a tragically sad beginning,
a great and inspiring end. Thanks for sharing, sima!
My paternal grandfather said he came on a boat from England. He loved to tell whoppers, so who knows? He participated in the Oklahoma Land Rush, but his horse must have played out before he got to good land. He wound up living in East Texas, working as a mule skinner.
Long court day, glad I didn't have to cook dinner tonight.
All the best to you sima, and thanks for your wonderful ot.
Tell Stinky somebody in Texas loves him.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Forced labor and human trafficing has been a continual problem
North America since colonization began in the 1699's. The terms change, but the initial trauma can be seen in many later generations. Your Great-Grandfather was a resourceful fellow to survive, thrive and pass on oral history.
Both sides of my family made up stories about originally coming to US, first years as immigrants and repeating patterns of traveling to new parts of the country. Doing some basic genealogy research and reading archived newspapers has been an interesting educational journey.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.