@Raggedy Ann

That's how long I could stomach it before I killed it and reached for two Gaviscon tablets and a glass of water to wash them down. It was especially putrid after listening/watching all of Bernie's response.

dem response. That's how compelling it was.

@Citizen Of Earth

When Trump said '...his administration is going to "clean up air and water"...', he meant that he was going to dispose of them for profit. They will eventually both be known as 'ooblic' only black. And nobody will be breathing or drinking them, since we can't...

http://www.seussville.com/books/book_detail.php?isbn=9780394800752

Bartholomew and the Oobleck

Format: Hardcover
ISBN: 978-0-394-80075-2
Category: Juvenile Fiction - Fantasy & Magic
Author: Dr. Seuss
Also Available: Also available as an eBook, hardcover and a hardcover library binding.

In this Caldecott Honor–winning picture book, join Bartholomew Cubbins in Dr. Seuss’s classic tale of one king’s magical mishap. Bored with rain, sun, fog, and snow, King Derwin of Didd summons his royal magicians to create something new and exciting to fall from the sky. What he gets is a storm of sticky green globs called Oobleck, which soon causes a royal mess. But with the assistance of the wise page boy Bartholomew, the king (along with young readers) learns that the simplest words can sometimes solve the biggest problems.

How about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

Twisted Sister - We're Not Gonna Take It (Official Video)

in his speech to the effect that his administration is going to "clean up air and water". Hahahha. Not kidding. President Douchebag actually said that.

Even as his executive actions have rolled back Obama environmental protections. And he installed a psycho as EPA chief with the goal of dismantling the agency.

Fuck Trump. I've officially given up on him -- for that and many other reasons.
We knew he would be Horrific. And man is he ever delivering on that promise.

PS. I could give a crap about Dems also.

from the actual dangerous aliens in XCOM 2. If only more problems could be solved by an elite team of commandos using advanced weaponry and psychic powers. @orlbucfan

and went to sleep. Rec'd!!

@Cassiodorus I'm afraid that Sane Progressive's objection to the Justice Democrats would hold for us as well: if we're going to start a new party, we have to deal with election fraud and the obstacles, both legal and criminal, to getting the people's choices elected. I'm not sure how to do that. And if I did have an answer to it, I would be worried about saying it for all to hear, given that we are, basically, in an asymmetrical war for control here, and that if I had a way to stop the rigging of elections--say a digital countermeasure--I sure as hell wouldn't want the establishment to know what it is.

Not that I have any such thing--I'm just pointing out the difficulties of even starting the discussion. But the discussion must be started, because I don't think any one person has a perfect plan in their back pocket--we must use/gather together all the intelligence and creativity we've got to have a hope of coming up with a way to take power away from the currently powerful. Simply starting a party won't do anything, because with all our best efforts, we will be prevented, by fraud if no other way is apparent, from taking a majority.

That doesn't mean that I oppose creating a new party; we obviously need one. But we're not at the point where forming one would mean anything. We just watched the media lie and declare a winner based on delegates that hadn't voted, and it was accepted, and we had no recourse. Before we try to use the electoral system again, we have to figure out how to make it work for us.

then so?

@DonMidwest

As if talking politics were becoming a foreign language gradually depriving us of the ability to express ourselves.

Could it be possible to forget politics?

To retrieve the invaluable effectiveness of political talk, we need to start with the idea that, as Margaret Thatcher so forcefully put it, ‘society doesn’t exist’.

We've certainly neglected politics by refusing to evolve the Constitution during the Age of Enlightenment and beyond.

Perhaps politics got bored and left the room.

Remember when Bernie said that it will take millions? What has he smoking?

Have you noticed the team of speech writers following Bernie around giving him the great lines?

Joke

He has been saying the same things for 40 years and he can give an articulate response at the drop of a hat

Or, more likely, the drop of a turd which was Turd's speech

"No Issues, No Politics"

Sorry about bringing up my same hobby horse, Bruno Latour, my choice for most important thinker in the world

This article is from 2003

Abstract

Political enunciation remains an enigma as long as it is considered from the
standpoint of information transfer. It remains as unintelligible as religious talk. The
paper explores the specificty of this regime and especially the strange link it has
with the canonical definition of enunciation in linguistics and semiotics. The
‘political circle’ is reconstituted and thus also the reasons why a ‘transparent’ or
‘rational’political speech act destroys the very conditions of group formation.

First two paragraphs

Complaints about a loss of interest in politics are heard all over.1 But what if
the famous ‘crisis of representation’ stems simply from a new misunderstanding
of the exact nature of this type of representation? As if, in recent years, we
had begun to expect it to provide a form of fidelity, exactitude or truth that is
totally impossible. As if talking politics were becoming a foreign language
gradually depriving us of the ability to express ourselves. Could it be possible
to forget politics? Far from being a universal competency of the ‘political
animal’, might it not be a form of life so fragile that we could document its
progressive appearance and disappearance? This is the hypothesis that I would
like to explore in this paper.

The idea can be formulated simply: by attempting to explain politics in terms
of something else, we might have lost its specificity and have consequently
forgotten to maintain its own dynamics, letting it fall into disuse. To retrieve
the invaluable effectiveness of political talk, we need to start with the idea that,
as Margaret Thatcher so forcefully put it, ‘society doesn’t exist’. If it does not
exist, we have to make it exist, but in order to do so we need the means to do so.
Politics is one of those means.

Have we lost the skill of politics?

Alligator Ed, the surgeon who posts here, was a philosophy major and has trouble with Latour so if this is a stretch, I understand.

BERNIE IS RADICAL BECAUSE HE BROUGHT ISSUES TO THE TABLE.

And he is about forming collectives to deal with the issues.

"No issues, no politics"

What if we Talked Politics a Little?