The Man Democrats Fought Like Hell Against Replies To Trump
The One the Democratic Party Rejected.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn-n6AMHZvE]
The official Democratic Party Response
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRt-Ay6tj4U]
Make up your mind which one actually dealt with the important issues in detail.
The Official reply was such a dreary folksy fluff piece and spent most of its time on the ACA whereas Bernie's reply went line by line over nearly all the issues. BTW Bernie, Trump was not the only one to miss completely talking about-
Climate Change and Pollution
Crazy Military Expenditure and foreign wars.
The Prison Industrial Complex.
Rampant Income Inequality
Education and debt.
Social Security and Medicare.
etc
My opinion is that the Democratic Party doesn't really care about these issue since they don't believe they will get votes and often helped create the swamps problems anyway. That's why they chose Hillary and lost and will keep on losing. To be honest Trump's seriously flawed speech was better than the Official Democratic Party's pathetic reply.
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thx. LaFeminista, glad to be able to watch
Bernie's response via youtube now, without going through facebook.
Heh, I will never be able to vote in the US, and I think, if I could, I wouldn't.
Just my 0.02 Euro cents.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I was asked yesterday why I'm more angry at Democrats
Democrats could have been so much better, Republicans are just doing their usual.
I am more pissed at the Dems
The Republicans are crazy fringe representing the rich, religious cultists, and the crazy. I expect that from them. So does the .001%, which is why they supported Hillary.
Democrats are supposed to be an opposition party. When you say me too and refuse to fight, it makes them sell outs and traitors to the American people who are trapped in this two party WWW extravaganza. Because they aren't doing the job of providing an opposition party, they are killing the planet and the future for our children. This pisses me off at them and all of the Hillary/Obamabots that entitle them.
PS - Bernie's response was awesome. It reminds me of what we lost, and it pisses me off that he folded like a tent to Obama and Hillary. The damage Obama and Bill did in office was bad enough. Now this snake Obama is creeping around in the weeds still manipulating the party he destroyed. When they stole the primary from Bernie, I resolved to vote D down ticket but never for President again. After what they've done since Trump won, I resolved to never vote D again.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
@dkmich If both parties are
That's why the corruption of the Democrats is worse. It eliminates a fundamental check/balance. We cannot cope with more than one of the parties being corrupt at once, especially when they're both conniving with the most powerful people in the private sector. That's the opposite of checks and balances: concentrated power.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
but democracy has been killed already
since quite a while. It's not that it started out all in the last two years. But try to say something like it during the last 15 years and you end up being the most isolated idiot. Just saying, otherwise I am with you completely.
https://www.euronews.com/live
@mimi It began in the
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I fell asleep during the
dem response. That's how compelling it was.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
45 seconds here. Seriously.
That's how long I could stomach it before I killed it and reached for two Gaviscon tablets and a glass of water to wash them down. It was especially putrid after listening/watching all of Bernie's response.
I have to apologize to LaFeminista.
To LaFeminista: Thanks for the work to put together this essay.
And the stage setting, showing they are so ordinary
It almost killed me,
looking at him trying to look and sound folksy in a diner with "ordinary" people. His response was so dry and flat -- oh, yeah, that must be why I fell asleep so quickly. Raggedy Andy woke me and dragged me off to bed where sugar plums couldn't find their way to dance in my head after listening to Herr Drumpf.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
The most godforsaken diner on the planet by the look of it.
Trump actually made a statement about environment
in his speech to the effect that his administration is going to "clean up air and water". Hahahha. Not kidding. President Douchebag actually said that.
Even as his executive actions have rolled back Obama environmental protections. And he installed a psycho as EPA chief with the goal of dismantling the agency.
Fuck Trump. I've officially given up on him -- for that and many other reasons.
We knew he would be Horrific. And man is he ever delivering on that promise.
PS. I could give a crap about Dems also.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Admittedly I was never with Trump, I've seen too much of
Same here LaFem
I expected Trump to be the same bombastic, narcissistic, disgusting, lying, slimy, smarmy asshole he's always been. Unfortunately he didn't prove me wrong. I didn't even watch his speech to congress. I literally cannot stand it, and I've been diagnosed with hypertension (high blood pressure) -- which, coincidentally, I just started having about 6 months ago ... hum -- so I'm working hard on all the lifestyle changes I need to bring it back down to normal without going on medication. That means, among other things, not watching or listening to what Trump is saying or doing. At all.
However, I did enjoy Bernie's response speech that you posted. I still love him, or rather, I love what he's saying and that someone is saying it. I only wish he'd call the dems out too, but in this case, as a response to Trump, it makes sense I suppose.
Anyhow, my BP was good this morning, it seems my home program of reform to a more healthy lifestyle, and reducing my anger and stress by not watching Trump or politics right now, is working. Whew. Last thing I want is to get on the pharma train for any reason. Avoiding that is my top priority at the moment.
I wish Bernie would go indie and start a new party that actually supports the things he talks about. Sigh.
I truly believe
If they have anybody worth a tinker's dam running the effort, and if Bernie were to lead the charge and not merely "sign off" as an endorser, the number of Dems, Indies AND Repubs joining will be breath taking.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
And that's why it will never be allowed here. One
(wo)man, one vote is something we sell in foreign climes with accompanying photos of purple digits. Bush said we were exporting democracy and he meant it. Democracy isn't something TPTB want here at home.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I think you're absolutely right
The situation has evolved markedly. In some cases, it's become terminal.
I was really surprised the other day when I sensed that the people had simply sailed away from the Democratic Party and it was unthinkable that they would return. That choice ceased to exist in this cosmos. I can't imagine what's going to happen, but I know what's not. That Party will be voted into oblivion all because of a couple of fateful election decisions.
The Party may sense it, too. That may explain their grand Russian obsession.
For some reason this didn't happen to the Republican Party.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Blood pressure prescription
1. Televisionectomy
2. MSM enema
You'll be better in only a few days--no side effects. Promise.
@Citizen Of Earth
When Trump said '...his administration is going to "clean up air and water"...', he meant that he was going to dispose of them for profit. They will eventually both be known as 'ooblic' only black. And nobody will be breathing or drinking them, since we can't...
http://www.seussville.com/books/book_detail.php?isbn=9780394800752
How about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I skipped the whole gasbag Bannon charade,
and went to sleep. Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
I was busy saving the earth
from the actual dangerous aliens in XCOM 2. If only more problems could be solved by an elite team of commandos using advanced weaponry and psychic powers.
@asterion
Well, commanders using their psychopathic powers (edit: have) not brought any sustainable solutions so far...
Re edit: note to self - must check and change both halves of sentences during reconstruction of same. *leaves forehead dent in desk when encountering next morning*
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Which Is Worse?
The Republicans promise they will screw you and they do.
The Democrats promise they will help you - -
And they screw you as bad as the Republicans do.
Which deserves greater contempt?
I reserve the right to treat each with equal contempt
No, Jamawani is correct.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I would say you are talking about two types of snake
Nice work, LF.
Prtetend friends
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
The 'Dems' haven't been our friends for over 30 years.
When Slick Willie and Mrs. Two-for-the-price-of-one came along with their Turd Wayer friends, our friends were forever banished.
EDIT: thier/their
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Donald Trump
But if we're not replacing the Democrats with another party --
then so?
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
I have long argued we are poorly served [or well abused]
@Cassiodorus I'm afraid that Sane
Not that I have any such thing--I'm just pointing out the difficulties of even starting the discussion. But the discussion must be started, because I don't think any one person has a perfect plan in their back pocket--we must use/gather together all the intelligence and creativity we've got to have a hope of coming up with a way to take power away from the currently powerful. Simply starting a party won't do anything, because with all our best efforts, we will be prevented, by fraud if no other way is apparent, from taking a majority.
That doesn't mean that I oppose creating a new party; we obviously need one. But we're not at the point where forming one would mean anything. We just watched the media lie and declare a winner based on delegates that hadn't voted, and it was accepted, and we had no recourse. Before we try to use the electoral system again, we have to figure out how to make it work for us.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
My question stands.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
@Cassiodorus Well, apparently it's
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Protesting in the streets without focus
Just looked - 4.4 million views on facebook - Bernie response
Remember when Bernie said that it will take millions? What has he smoking?
Have you noticed the team of speech writers following Bernie around giving him the great lines?
Joke
He has been saying the same things for 40 years and he can give an articulate response at the drop of a hat
Or, more likely, the drop of a turd which was Turd's speech
"No Issues, No Politics"
Sorry about bringing up my same hobby horse, Bruno Latour, my choice for most important thinker in the world
This article is from 2003
Abstract
First two paragraphs
Have we lost the skill of politics?
Alligator Ed, the surgeon who posts here, was a philosophy major and has trouble with Latour so if this is a stretch, I understand.
BERNIE IS RADICAL BECAUSE HE BROUGHT ISSUES TO THE TABLE.
And he is about forming collectives to deal with the issues.
"No issues, no politics"
What if we Talked Politics a Little?
Good to see you again, DM
and also merci for the Latour. Wish he and J. L. Austin could have met and conversed.
What a trippy deconstruction you've quoted.
We've certainly neglected politics by refusing to evolve the Constitution during the Age of Enlightenment and beyond.
Perhaps politics got bored and left the room.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
And then there's this.
"Great news! Hillary plans to run again."
I sincerely hope this is fake, but fear it isn't. I won't watch the video.
They truly have learned nothing -- on purpose.
Say hello to Trump's second term
Not just that
Maybe when they join the Whigs in the afterworld -
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@WaterLily
Maybe it's the only way left to the Clintons to start working on that 2nd billion?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
It's much easier when you view both parties exactly the
same.
Yep. They are two tentacles of the Vampire Squid.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
I think of them as the two sides of the same cloaca
It captures the putrescence, but not greedy, insidious power.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Kudos for Trump
I didn't listen to his presentation. I value my sanity too much for that, besides my new neighbors would not appreciate the nuclear explosion from within my house.
Trump's plain language (I infer from Bernie's response) makes it clear what he intends for people like me and like the Vet on the street with whom I exchanged meaningful glances yesterday. We are (in our own separate but equal ways) to simply go to hell. You see Trump is borrowing a phrase my dad used to use, "He isn't worth the power and lead it would take to blow him to hell." Yep, Trump has made it perfectly clear how we are to quietly sink into the quicksand. The "The official Democratic Party Response" (I could only stomach less than half of it) makes it clear that they expect us to eat shit and die as they kiss ass.
It's every man for himself and the devil can take the hindmost. Hey, maybe I can outrun that old Vet I saw yesterday.
Those poor people
Trapped in that diner...
How do the Dems respond to Trump? With a rerun of the Andy Griffith Show...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Of course she is. That's the reason she crawled out from under
the refrigerator and started making videos again.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa