On Hatred, Lies and Cowardice

The extreme right have been promoting hatred for a long time now the SPLC has been monitoring these groups for a long time now. There is always an undercurrent of violence on display especially amongst the so called gun hugging "militias".

Republicans for once have been condemning what happened in Charlottesville [in small numbers so far] and calling it for what it is 'Terrorism'. The President so far has refused to state the obvious. The problem has not been freedom of speech in allowing these groups to preach their hatred, the problem has been that the right has refused to condemn over the years the excesses of a sizeable proportion of their base. This cultural rot was recently brought out into the light via the "Birther" movement.

Sexism, racism and bigotry have to be called out at every turn, there are no exceptions. One can be opposed to someone else without resorting to this shit. However, false accusations can be equally damaging, as always, fundamental intellectual honesty is required. Courage is a pre-requisite.

The Republican pearl clutching after the fact does not impress me, the President's inclusive idiocy [everybody's fault] on the matter is hardly surprising, as David Duke said, they helped get him elected. The problem with them has always been, we will use it as it is a benefit to us, then when the chickens do come home to roost, wail about its evils. To my mind that is as evil as the murdering thug driving the car into the crowd. Freedom of speech has its heavy responsibilities and so does silence, neither are without cost.

One final point if you at first look to your "party loyalty", nationality or religion before you condemn/comment upon an action [for example bombing a hospital], then you are doing it wrong. If these are the starting points of your own reasoning then it is no wonder that the people we allow to rule us also abuse us. Yes, we allow them to.

Just a thought.

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It is understated if you ask me, the President's mic is so BIG and LOUD people cannot help but hear the message, receive the signals. This is the merde I knew was coming, there is no surprise. No shock here. Imagine if it was Bernie up there spewing socialism and equality. LOL thanks DNC, DCCC, D-blah-dah. TV all the time, Idiocracy.

And now a new channel to worship at the altar of Hillary, almost literally. Or was that The Onion? Fck I cannot tell the difference anymore, makes me crazy.
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Now, nearly 40 percent of the 1,100 inmates held at the county’s main jail and its lower-security North County Detention Facility near the Charles M. Schulz-Sonoma County Airport have some form of mental health issue, from mild depression to bipolar schizoaffective disorder.

Whoa I can't wait to lose my housing now, it is soo much better here now with the progress Democrats and Jerry Brown have made in California. 100 billionaires!

Literally speaking I did just go to find out how to un-register myself from voting in California, seriously. I don't want to see any more unsolicited b.s. lies from lobbyists. Just need to write a letter to the local Registar of Voters and bob's my uncle, or so they say. I'll find out soon enough.

Boycott Facebook 2018!
Fuck Facebook!
Thanks a lot.

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@eyo little time. Please reconsider. Hey you can vote for yourself, or uncle bob if you don't like the imposed choices. They have recycle bins for junk mail.

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@Song of the lark thanks. Haven't done it yet, just found out howto yesterday. Today I am going to wear tie-dye and meditate on peace, maybe some thought will change my mind. My friend is taking her MiL to the Blue Jean Jesus church around the corner, I prefer to worship outdoors in nature which makes me a sort of heathen I guess. Happy Sunday!

"emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"

peace

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For quite a while now, I've noticed the similarities between abusive relationships and the current state of political affairs in the US. A dysfunctional system is a dysfunctional system, whether it's a marriage, a family of origin, an employment workplace, an organization, or an entire nation.

In looking at how we've gotten into this mess, I think it might be helpful to consider the impact that trauma bonding and Post- traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) have on the abused person's ability (or lack thereof) to see things clearly, make healthy decisions, and take effective action in their own best interest, including leaving the abusive situation.

Having done my family genealogy, I've become aware of how the dysfunctional patterns go back for generations, and are passed down from parent to child, ad infinitum, unless and until someone is born into the family who is willing and able to break the cycle.

It's well-known that being raised in a dysfunctional family can give rise to various conditions such as addictions, personality disorders, and narcissism, as well as to a form of PTSD called Complex PTSD.

Given that in my opinion the history of the US is full of abuse and trauma, this may explain a lot.

it is no wonder that the people we allow to rule us also abuse us. Yes, we allow them to.

We shouldn't be allowing them to rule us, much less abuse us. In the United States, pursuant to the US Constitution, these people are supposed to work for us, not rule us. As public servants, our elected and appointed representatives under a purportedly democratic system of government, they are answerable to us. We the People are their employers, not their subjects, although we tend to forget this and even seem to need an "elite" class. The elite folks no doubt consider themselves to be our rulers, as in a monarchy. (Eg. Erik Prince, Betsy Devos's brother, suggesting that an American "viceroy" should be installed in Afghanistan.)

By the way, the town is Charlottesville, not Charlotte. It's a college town, the home of the University of Virginia, which was the scene of some of yesterday's action. As a college town, its populace is fairly "liberal". Lots of Dems and Clinton voters.

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@LaFeminista There is a city named Charlotte, in North Carolina, the state to the south of Virginia. Both cities were named after King George III's wife and Queen Consort, Charlotte of Mecklenburg.

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each other for years. Republicans seem to get away it more, though. And they do have more weapons.

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@HenryAWallace basic hatreds.

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https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029441963

Between FDR and the first midterm after Bill Clinton, Democrats had control of one or both Houses of Congress. That causes a lot of frustration and a tendency to go negative. However, listen to Democrats, now that they are worried about the survival of their party.

Also, that the right may be angrier doesn't mean that we are blameless. I guess I'm just incredibly over blaming only one side or the other. For me, it's no longer right against left. It's all of us against the plutocrats and anyone who enables them. That's where I'd like to see it go, anyway.

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It cuts thru the complexity of our lives and focuses the mind. Like the young woman with a razor blade the act of cutting a thin red ribbon across her arm yields an exsquisite freedom from the tangles of PTSD.
I saw a long discussion on TOP about Thomas Jefferson, people taking sides on the good and the bad of the man. In the end nothing was settled, and I came away with a kind of sadness about people's lives 2 hundred years ago. The Internet does this to people. Too much information can paralyze us.
The alt-right uses hatred to cut thru the PTSD of complexity. Purity tests and the blog wars surrounding them are a symptom of this idea. Simple ideas cut thru the diminishing returns on complexity we are all suffering from. Look to right action in the present moment.
Democrats are a complexity machine. People are tired of being bludgeoned with policy.
We move into a time of action.
We must focus on self transformation and on the present moment. The complexity of near past events must be left behind. No one is pure anymore, not ourselves, our leaders, our country. We are in quite a fix. Some people like me think this is endgame. That's why when you say checkmate it has such a satisfying ring to it. Say it with love not hatred.

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Sometimes I feel that is America's true story. In reality its the story of humankind. People may have no other rights or privileges in society, but there's always hatred. It's easy to feel, far easier than love, acceptance, empathy.

And the sad truth about the "American Experiment" is that free speech has more often been used to divide us using hate as it's driving force, rather than spreading love and kindness. Tribe against tribe. That is what America has been for most of its existence. And so long as we fight one another along these artificial tribal lines, these artificial identities, we shall remain divided and easy prey for the economic sociopaths who dominate our society, choose our rulers for us, tell us what we can and cannot have.

Martin Luther King Jr. had it right when he said:

“Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.”

We Are stuck in our hatred. We need to find a way to the light if we are to survive.

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@Steven D someone is screaming about freedom of speech what is be expressed is truly noxious.

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Sexism, racism and bigotry have to be called out at every turn, there are no exceptions.

What if, instead of a counter demonstration, we just let the silly crackers have their little pajama party?

They march; maybe get thirty seconds on the local Charlotte affiliate; and everybody goes home.

They don't get their fifteen minutes of fame on National TV; we don't have to endure a week or so of handwringing 'debates' that are never going to change anybody's minds; and nobody gets killed.

What's so wrong with that?

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger an as it normalises in society the same idiots have to find something even more extreme to get noticed, sometimes I think Isis represents humanities base state.

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@LaFeminista

it normalises in society the same idiots have to find something even more extreme to get noticed

Why hand them all that attention on a silver platter?

You're doing their PR for them.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger I don't.

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@Not Henry Kissinger .

There will ALWAYS be racists in any society. Protesting their existence won't change that. And all you do by protesting is advertise the product.

Reacting to provocations is counter productive. They WANT you to react.

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@LaFeminista

Nor do I conclude that failing to confront them right then, there there, mano a mano, implies that I must ignore them. After all, I didn't confront the pink pussy hat brigade and their McResistance. I'm perfectly willing to ignore their [protest] shenanigans (which are much more likely to negatively impact me and everyone else). I'm trying to stop them in the societal group consciousness more than on some street somewhere.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

What if, instead of a counter demonstration, we just let the silly crackers have their little pajama party?

They march; maybe get thirty seconds on the local Charlotte affiliate; and everybody goes home.

They don't get their fifteen minutes of fame on National TV; we don't have to endure a week or so of handwringing 'debates' that are never going to change anybody's minds; and nobody gets killed.

What's so wrong with that?

In essence, that's what we've been doing for the past 150 years in the South.

We've allowed the representatives of Evil to build their monuments and glorify the chief traitors against the United States of America and humanity as a whole; we've even paid to maintain those monuments with tax money. And no real resistance to the maintenance and propagation of the Confederate culture from one generation to the next occurred until well inside living memory. As a nation, we did not treat the Confederate phenomenon as it deserved, but rather tolerated it so that the Southern States would rejoin the nation in a relatively quiet manner, largely to keep the tobacco and cotton crops flowing into the Northern economies.

The Charlottesville incidents, both the right-wing rally and the horrific act of terrorism perpetrated against those who dared object to it in public, have as their root cause the decision by Charlottesville to remove a monument to Robert E. Lee.

Confederate sympathizers know the score. They know that their culture of hatred and bigotry is dying and can't be restored. Those not born to it aren't converting in, and increasing numbers of those who are born to it reject it as being what it is: evil. They don't like that.

And Charlottesville 2017 is the result.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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a local protest about a regional issue and turned it into a national distraction.

Great, just what TPTB ordered for the dog days of August.

Confederate sympathizers know the score. They know that their culture of hatred and bigotry is dying and can't be restored.

So let it die quietly - before somebody else dies nosily.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Just like Obama said. Spot on.

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500 slimebags, who were met by overwhelming opposition, and yet somehow, everyone in the MSM has decided to blame anyone who didn't vote for Hillary.

I loathe the incitation of hate, and the MSM is doing everything they can to stir up people to break shit, attack their neighbors, and generally destroy society.

Yes, Nazis are slimebag assholes. They've always been slimebags. Are riots the way to destroy them? All I see is a bunch of poor people killing each other at the behest of the powers that be, which benefit from the Nazis by higher ratings, lots of "Unity" that can be turned to the proper "Lesser Evil" in politics, and the most cynical crocodile tears on the faces of every anchor that is secretly LOVING the attention.

The country seems hell bent on smashing the cities, and the rich laugh behind their gates.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks hatreds on all sides of the fictitious divide are the ones that break us.

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@detroitmechworks have you seen this tweet from TOP's dear leader?

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@Steven D His projection is embarrassing.

I mean, he gets to call the left Nazis, when we say that war is stupid and ganging up to beat on morons is beneath us...

Yes, I think that's my stance on this.

I am better than Nazis. I refuse to sink to their level.

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@detroitmechworks

I have no doubt Markos wanted this. His projection is embarrassing.

I was about to ask: is old Mousetits a Bell&Howell or a Kodak? Smile

I mean, he gets to call the left Nazis, when we say that war is stupid and ganging up to beat on morons is beneath us...

Yes, I think that's my stance on this.

I am better than Nazis. I refuse to sink to their level.

Which makes you a better man by far than "Little Napoleon"......

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@thanatokephaloides I have a hard time believing that, even with my SO, my friends and my conscience telling me that. Smile

I just refuse to hate.

Hatred blinds,
and If I'm going to be fighting anyone, I want to be able to see what I'm doing.

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Are a rare proud point here in Red (neck) Alabama. Their good works reach far and wide. Their agents infiltrate these RW groups at great personal danger.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

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Check it out: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/13/1689166/-Pathetic-Moment-from...

Apparently, the "alt-left" wanted this to happen. According to, you know.

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@LaFeminista
you're 'hate' is showing! n/S

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace(I'm trying)

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

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Now you know. . .
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@Tall Bald and Ugly heh

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@LaFeminista to go Bannon himself?

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@SancheLlewellyn

dyrrhachium, the author of the Daily Kos piece, should be applauded for pointing out Markos' complete stupidity. Of course, the assertion that any sane person voted for Her Heinous in the 2016 General Election is still blameworthy; but nonetheless, the diary text as a whole is great!

So how much longer do we expect Mr. Bojo-jangles to keep away from dyrrhachium?

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides of Markos' hate and contempt.

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@LaFeminista

..... than to read comment threads Over There (OT) since the Ides of March 2016!

Smile

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@thanatokephaloides Q: So how much longer do we expect Mr. Bojo-jangles to keep away from dyrrhachium?

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