(Hahaha -Reason #56:) The media are poopy head meanies!

http://mailchi.mp/cnn/reliable-september-11-2017

I won't buy the book but I am being entertained by the constant drip-drip-drip of citations from it.

She's really looking shrill and shrewish. And the level of her pettiness is really quite ugly. And I'm really starting to wonder about myself. Because I think all her flailing and kvetching is funny.

Hmmmm.

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Raggedy Ann's picture

I mean - really????? She has a personality disorder and it's showing. Are we going through the stages of grief with her? In public?

Here is the grief model we call the 7 Stages of Grief:
SHOCK & DENIAL- You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. ...
PAIN & GUILT- ...
ANGER & BARGAINING- ...
"DEPRESSION", REFLECTION, LONELINESS- ...
THE UPWARD TURN- ...
RECONSTRUCTION & WORKING THROUGH- ...
ACCEPTANCE & HOPE-

After 10 months, we are still in Anger & Bargaining - just wait until Depression, Reflection, and Loneliness kick in! I won't live to see the Upward Turn at this point! Actually, I think she's incapable of an upward turn!

Jeebus - save me! Diablo

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

gulfgal98's picture

@Raggedy Ann at your comment, particularly this part:

Actually, I think she's incapable of an upward turn!

Jeebus - save me! Diablo

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West "...isn't the problem here that the government takes on, arbitrarily and without justification, an adversarial attitude towards its citizenry?" ~CantStoptheMacedonianSignal

Raggedy Ann's picture

@gulfgal98
You know what happens if we don't!!!!!

On a personal note - I'm glad your family is faring well from the storm. Keep us posted!

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

gulfgal98's picture

@Raggedy Ann @Raggedy Ann My family got real lucky by being on the west side (the weak side) of the eye. I still have not heard from my mother due to a lack of power in the area and no phone service. But I am not worried about her safety.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West "...isn't the problem here that the government takes on, arbitrarily and without justification, an adversarial attitude towards its citizenry?" ~CantStoptheMacedonianSignal

Raggedy Ann's picture

@gulfgal98
you'll hear from your mom in due time. As long as you feel she is safe and secure - and you probably would have heard differently by now - then no worries. She'll be in touch when she's able.

Take care! Pleasantry

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@gulfgal98 Well, that is what her numbers historically indicate.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@Raggedy Ann As Joel and the bots once famously said, during this scene of The Magic Voyage of Sinbad:

"Is there a place where you can shut up?"

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

The Aspie Corner's picture

@Raggedy Ann

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@Raggedy Ann I HAVE a Personality Disorder, and I think she's out of touch.

If she wants to redeem her legacy, she needs to STFU and go full Jimmy Carter.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

1.0 out of 5 stars

She lies only when she moves her lips. . .or writes a book
By Amazon Customer on September 12, 2017
Format: Hardcover

Here's the problem: Clinton is such a thoroughgoing liar that one cannot take anything she says seriously. Her spin on the world is that it's all about the Clintons; they have no rules (see also Kennedys), the world owes them, everyone not in their circle is deficient and inferior, etc. So what is the point in reading her views, since she's looking at the world through pathological eyes? I even doubt she means what she writes; her every move in public life seems to have been to set-up to get or re-gain power--how else to explain (1) putting up w/the Lewinsky episode, and (2) doing her best to destroy the victimized women who were use and abused by her husband? Power, power, power: that's all it's about. She was "entitled" to be president because, well, her husband had power and that got her into the senate and that got her into State. She should take her radical, anti-American, spoiled-brat personality and dive under some polar icecap, and not come up for air. She's a continuing danger to the USA, and the views and thoughts, so inconsistent with reality, expressed in this book--intended only to either gin up her next campaign or, more likely, make her major bucks (since she's probably "broke")--simply reconfirm her tenuous grasp on sanity. If she doesn't get that running against Trump should have been a field day for a decent Dem candidate, and that she lost because she was rightly seen as THAT BAD a human being, THAT DANGEROUS to our great nation, then she's just kidding herself, and her minions are still too scared to introduce her to the real world. What an abominable person; thank the Lord that there were not enough idiots to vote for her.

Can't say I disagree with any of that.

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

@Not Henry Kissinger
I've got no shortage of negative descriptors I could throw at Hillary Clinton, but "radical" sure isn't one of them. I'd say it is a bit of a "tell" regarding the Amazon reviewer however...

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@FutureNow

Everyone to the left of David Duke is a radical. ARRRRRRRRRggghhhh.

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*donate *follow us on Twitter *like us on Facebook *dump Google

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

@FutureNow

Hillary's a radical corporatist. Maniacal even.

If she doesn't get that running against Trump should have been a field day for a decent Dem candidate

I dunno about your 'tell'. The line above doesn't sound like something one of 'them' would say (as if one ambiguous word disqualifies an entire piece anyway).

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

@Not Henry Kissinger @Not Henry Kissinger
Derisively referring to centrist, establishment, corporate-whore Democrats with terms like "Socialist," "far-left," and "San Francisco values" IS the province of right-wingers, but I can offer no further insight about the reviewer beyond that.

"Anti-American" is another term that wouldn't be the first out of my mouth.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@FutureNow Well, she is anti-American, but since she's also anti-Libya, anti-Honduras, anti-Syria, anti-Yemen, anti-Haiti, and well, anti-planet, it kinda gets lost in the haze for me.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

@FutureNow

Well, 'radical' appears to be a popular PR pejorative used by both sides of the corporate Party against anyone who's sick of most people and the planet being drained and poisoned to further enrich and empower the very, very few already having more than they could ever spend and who therefore wants a decent, civilized and sustainable society.

And it's been getting progressively more difficult to tell the difference between the corporate Repubs and corporate Dems merely by buzzwords, which does spread through PR to their adherents.

Previously, the language used would, as you point out, have been an instant 'tell' and I do agree that it sounds Republican in nature, only that indication of pathological corporate cultural PR influence seems to cover both vampiric wings nowadays...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Ellen North I just found out yesterday that I am part of the "Alt-left" because I support RoseAnn DeMoro and NNU's efforts to recall the CA Assembly leader for failing to allow CA Medicare for All bill to come to the floor. Apparently Anthony Rendon, the guy who blocked SB 562 from coming to the floor for a vote, is considered among Union leaders "100% labor friendly". So now some of labor is pissed at NNU. I guess if labor has their nose bent out of joint because of the recall that's fine, everybody entitled to their opinion. But now to go out and try to smear a fellow labor leader with labeling her as "Alt-left"? I dunno. To me this just confirms that the 99% (we) are in big trouble if we can't get it together.

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"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything." - Albert Einstein

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@FutureNow Well...radical in the sense of extreme, yes. Not radical as in left, or as in getting to the root of things.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

riverlover's picture

but she has the same affair with power but has been caught at it. She will never shut up until Chelsea is installed somewhere. Coup would be Senator from NY. I will never vote for Chelsea. Promise.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

snoopydawg's picture

There have been many articles written about What Happened, but this is one of the best imo.
How many months did Perez and Bernie spend trying to unify the party? Quite a few IIRC.
Now Herheinous comes along and undoes everything that they tried to create. Oh yes, this old fossil fart needs to find humility and fade into the sunset.

Hillary's PUMA

This was my favorite part:

Hillary just can’t believe that anyone could possibly think that taking that money from Wall Street would change her positions. She is absolutely correct because she already agrees with the fundamental premises that allow Wall Street to flourish at our expense. The Clintons deregulated Wall Street with great passion. They saw nothing wrong with helping big banks, hedge funds and private equity companies grow even bigger and more reckless. Instead they viewed Wall Street as a major engine of prosperity for America. Even the great crash of 2007-08 didn’t really change their perceptions.

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I’m betting billionaires taste like chicken. More research required…
Someone should put together a new cookbook with this in mind.

@snoopydawg And yeah, can't disagree with the link. The woman is just delusional and so is anyone who can look at her and think Sanders is the one being divisive.

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snoopydawg's picture

@Dr. John Carpenter
Hillary need not apologize for what happened

it boggles my mind that anyone can think like this.

Warning for anyone who reads this article. Keep a barf bag handy. This paragraph made me nauseous.

In truth, Clinton doesn’t shrink from frank, straight-talk criticism of her and the campaign’s missteps, spiced with important insights into what could and should have been done different. These are the kind of precious insights that are anything but woulda-coulda apologetics from a sore loser.

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I’m betting billionaires taste like chicken. More research required…
Someone should put together a new cookbook with this in mind.

And then there were those witches...

And if all that wasn't enough...

I was hoping that the last chapter of the book was a long hard look at her failures, but apparently not.

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@LoneStarMike

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I’m betting billionaires taste like chicken. More research required…
Someone should put together a new cookbook with this in mind.

@snoopydawg
image, because (again, apart from the joke) to me it illustrates the limitation of makeup. The woman in the top row certainly looks more glamourous on the right, but I would not say that she looks any more attractive. She has abundant natural beauty, with her angular features, friendly eyes, and fresh, cheery smile. If I were at a social function with Left Top Woman at one end of the bar, and Right Top Woman at the other, I would initially be more interested in Left Top Woman, without a doubt.

Of course, she could be a sociopath for all we know.

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reflectionsv37's picture

@snoopydawg LOL! Kinda like putting lipstick on a pig!

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

Pluto's Republic's picture

…that Trump enjoyed at that time. It was very crazy. Every day, for months-on-end some notable pundit would declare Trump to be "toast." He was never toast.

The passage below really reflects how I remember the Clinton's role in all this. After she won the primary, Trump was the only thing she wanted to talk about. It was the first time I had seen an issue-free election.

A Democrat, Hillary Clinton began by meddling in the Republican primaries, with disastrous results.

In the DNC/Clinton emails released by Wikileaks and not denied by any of the people involved, the Clinton campaign described its “Pied Piper Strategy” of nurturing extreme Republican right-wingers, the “pied pipers,” who by inciting the white nationalists and other haters, would terrify saner people thus increasing Hillary’s chances of winning. Hillary deliberately raised such Republican extremists as Ben Carson, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump to “leaders of the pack” by speaking of them in her own interviews as though they were the frontrunners. She instructed cooperative corporate media to “take them seriously.” The most promising “cudgel" who would move the more established candidates further to the right was Trump.

Trump called his golf buddy Bill Clinton to discuss running. Bill returned the calls a month after Hillary declared. According to people who heard both sides of the conversation, Bill was very encouraging about Trump’s plans for the country. The Clinton Camp judged that Trump would “attract all the worst Republican crazies” and that Hillary would sound like the voice of reason by comparison. With extraordinary media control, it was Hillary who engineered much of the constant, free broadcast, early-media coverage that Trump received — a gift worth two billion dollars.

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@Pluto's Republic

I remember Debbie from "The Sane Progressive" point out how CNN ran coverage during the primaries that had their cameras focused on an EMPTY airport tarmac for 30 minutes waiting for Trumps plane to arrive at same time Bernie was holding a bust out rally with thousands of young people attending.

When I pointed out to friends who urged me to vote for Hillary to save our country from the unthinkable destruction that would fall upon us if he were elected that the "Pied Piper" strategy memo came straight from the DNC (i.e., HRC) to senior executives of "progressive" media outlets which instructed them to, as your quote states, take Cruz and Trump candidacy "seriously", they just couldn't wrap their heads around the gobsmacking duplicity being perpetrated on them. And so, the Pied Piper" strategy memo was dismissed in their minds as "Fake News"

The real irony here for me is when you take into consideration that the estimated free advertising given to Trump fell in the in the range of $2 billion, it seems "odd" that Hillary is blaming media outlets for following her instructions, don't it?

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@zoebear Not odd. Insane and narcissistic, but not odd. It's the same as her blaming the DNC.

When in doubt, scapegoat the staff.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@zoebear Isn't it frustrating to watch information bounce silently off people's preconceptions?

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

zoebear's picture

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

I remember when things really heated up after the DNC convention, a good friend of mine pulled me aside at a party to tell me that I seemed very angry. No shit. Who of us here at cc99, previously on TOP, who watched this ratfuckery happening in real time wasn't?

I could write an entire essay on how it felt watching people who I respected fall for the propaganda, and/or BE a part of the propaganda.

Ugh. Good times, eh?

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@zoebear One of the nastiest experiences I've had, though nowhere near the very nastiest.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Song of the lark's picture

@Pluto's Republic

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Bollox Ref's picture

Please make her stop.

My Loathemeter has hit 11!

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Gëzuar!!

gulfgal98's picture

@Bollox Ref Here is what he has to say about Hillary Clinton.

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"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West "...isn't the problem here that the government takes on, arbitrarily and without justification, an adversarial attitude towards its citizenry?" ~CantStoptheMacedonianSignal

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@Bollox Ref I don't know how.

I know I ought to be grateful, because as long as she keeps talking, the American people won't forget what they hate about the status quo (and the two parties that enforce it). But I just can't bring myself to feel grateful.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

1.0 out of 5 stars
Out-of-touch criminal can't let go
A story 'written' from the perspective of a drunk narcissistic, lying, cheating, out-of-touch criminal. She thought she would win by cheating so she didn't campaign but rather counted up her donor money all the way up to her finale, where she got creamed by Trump. Hahahaha.

2.0 out of 5 stars
A tirade of a bitter, bitter woman.

1.0 out of 5 stars
Just terrible, she had the opportunity in this book to admit her faults and move on but instead she wanted to play the victim again

1.0 out of 5 stars
Fascinating journey inside the mind of a delusional politician who's quest for power ends in humiliating defeat. This book really brings you into a world of narcissism and complacency at its finest. The author seems to relinquish any accountability for her loss during the presidential race and blames everyone from her own party, all races of people, the former fbi director, the former president, her primary competitor, sexism, Russian interference, wiki leaks, hacking, etc the list goes on. Reading this book will definitely make you question your own notion of collective societies moral compass and basic understanding of practical logic. In the end this read was a positive experience in one way as it made me realize what trouble the Constitution and the country collectively would have been in if this self-serving monster was able to grab power.

1.0 out of 5 stars
Don't buy the digital version, it will mysteriously be deleted.

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I am waiting for you, Vizzini.

Hillary Clinton can't bear to face her own role in helping to elect Trump, from the "Pied Piper" strategy to completely ignoring parts of the country where the race was tight because she assumed the votes were Hers.

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zoebear's picture

That I take such satisfaction in watching Her publicly humiliate Herself all in an effort to furiously protect Her empire? Gosh, the peace of mind Her life must afford Her.

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dkmich's picture

I can get it in, but it toooooooooo big. No matter what I do, I can't see to make it small enough. I think it currently measures 50 x 30. Too much stress.

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*donate *follow us on Twitter *like us on Facebook *dump Google

a US-directed, globalist, neoliberal agenda, replete with more and better wars, Hillary's loss was a devastating blow. And her Democratic campaign managers never saw it coming, they were totally blindsided. Clinton spent her entire campaign either hob-nobbing with movie stars and banksters, or else patting herself on the back while lecturing millions of infamous Deplorables about the many virtues of being a liberal. And this, at a time when half the nation was living paycheck to paycheck, and many had lost their homes during Obama's gloriously enlightened rule. Oh, and then she kicked Sanders in the teeth for good measure.

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@native

When she was walking in a parade she had the press actually roped off so that they couldn't talk to her. Another time when she was attending a private fundraiser given by some rich dude, she had a white noise machine going so that no one could hear what she was saying.
If I had been a member of the press, I'd try talking people into not covering her until she made herself available for a press conference. The way that the media fawned over her was sickening to see.

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I’m betting billionaires taste like chicken. More research required…
Someone should put together a new cookbook with this in mind.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

told them to do it. That was the Pied Piper strategy, which they created. Jesus effing Christ.

Is there a single one of her subordinates she's not going to rip to shreds?

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

TheOtherMaven's picture

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Her has thrown so many people under the bus, it's getting mighty crowded.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

@TheOtherMaven
under the bus, and it's causing the damn thing to stall out.

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native

@TheOtherMaven @TheOtherMaven @TheOtherMaven

There's a fragment of an old Rolling Stones tune running through my head; in part:

I can't get no ... semi-traction

It's the blood and the bones

of the pe...ople I've thrown

I can't get no, no-no-no, pay, pay pay, that's what I say

Edit: that was actually aimed at native's

There's a pile-up of bodies

under the bus, and it's causing the damn thing to stall out.

Honestly, between me screwing up and the computer going screwy, I think I must be winning... must be the RUSSIANS!!!

And I hope the update I just got when trying a restart was something helpful and not whatever's on my computer redirecting again because it did a restart at 30% of it and finished it afterward...

And re-edited because I managed to start the block-quote in the wrong place. Pretty sad when you're relieved when a foul-up is definitely your own, lol.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

zoebear's picture

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Is there a single one of her subordinates she's not going to rip to shreds?

That one, I'd definitely buy.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
She'll blame the people who voted FOR her for not voting twice.

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We all know it as the pied piper strategy. Didn't her campaign enlist the media to build up Trump as a candidate? I know they certainly did. I gave up on MSNBC during the primary. It was all Trump all the time. They gave him loads of free air time but Clinton doesn't want to take responsibility for that now?

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snoopydawg's picture

This member wrote a diary saying that the nomination wasn't Hillary's birthright and he still has 5 bars of mojo.
I know that people don't like to give DK any clicks, but this diary is worth reading.

Hillary: The Nomination was NOT Your Birthright!

F#ck you, Hillary. Bernie attacked you for the same reason you attacked him because he thought he was the better candidate, and wanted to become the nominee. You were damaged because you were damaged goods before you ever announced your candidacy. If somehow he had managed to win the nomination, even with everything you did to try to stop him, do you think he would be blaming you had he lost to Trump?

Hillary, in this book, is saying, in so many words, "The nomination was mine. It was my birthright. I was entitled to it, before any primary, democracy be damned, and Bernie should not have tried to take it from me."

Heh!

UPDATE: For all of you who have flagged me, it still made the “Rec” list. Thank you for that.

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I’m betting billionaires taste like chicken. More research required…
Someone should put together a new cookbook with this in mind.

Eagles92's picture

@snoopydawg You made me go there after I'd vowed NEVER to do it again.

It didn't take long for this incisive gem to appear: "Bannon and Putin appreciate this diary."

They're so far gone ...

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I hope that people will click on this because of a GIF 3/4 of the way down. The longer I watch it, the funnier it gets.
It's a b&w gif of a guy on a scooter.

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I’m betting billionaires taste like chicken. More research required…
Someone should put together a new cookbook with this in mind.

That is not a name that I would have used. Was there a winner in that story? I would say no. The pied piper? After his act of revenge, none of the other towns would have hired him. And that poor lame kid. Half the town would have blamed him for not stopping the other kids, while the other half would have stuffed him with far too many pies and sweets. There are lessons there, but I'm not sure I understand them all. Robert Browning poems are useful for starting lively discussions, not ending them.

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Strange that a harp of thousand strings should keep in tune so long

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@jabney Well, I think the implication is that the Piper was a fey being. That's why his flute could control the rats (and the kids), and open up a door into a magic mountain. So he doesn't need to be hired in the sense you or I would; the problem is that, if you make a bargain with such a being, you'd better keep it.

As for the lame boy, yeah, I think his fate pretty much sucked. Of course, that depends on whether you think the Pied Piper was leading the kids to death, rather than to a magic realm, or magically through a mountain to another mortal country, where they settled and lived normal lives (all of which I've heard). But if the Piper taking away the rats and the kids was a metaphor for the plague coming with rats and not leaving till most of the kids were dead, then I guess the lame boy is the lucky one.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@jabney I don't think Hillary and her peeps thought very deeply about this story--probably the image of the Piper leading the children off to a possibly grim end was the only thing they were thinking about--but the fact is, the Piper isn't the bad guy in this story. The townsfolk are. They broke their word because they were too greedy to pay him.

Which makes it particularly inappropriate for Trump.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q