The Evening Blues - 1-24-18



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The day's news roundup + tonight's musical feature: Otis Williams and the Charms

Hey! Good Evening!

This evening's music features Doo Wop singers Otis Williams and the Charms. Enjoy!

Otis Williams - Ain't Gonna Walk Your Dog No More

“Once the government can demand of a publisher the names of the purchasers of his publications, the free press as we know it disappears. Then the spectre of a government agent will look over the shoulder of everyone who reads. The purchase of a book or pamphlet today may result in a subpoena tomorrow. Fear of criticism goes with every person into the bookstall. The subtle, imponderable pressures of the orthodox lay hold. Some will fear to read what is unpopular, what the powers-that-be dislike. When the light of publicity may reach any student, any teacher, inquiry will be discouraged. The books and pamphlets that are critical of the administration, that preach an unpopular policy in domestic or foreign affairs, that are in disrepute in the orthodox school of thought will be suspect and subject to investigation. The press and its readers will pay a heavy price in harassment. But that will be minor in comparison with the menace of the shadow which government will cast over literature that does not follow the dominant party line. If the lady from Toledo can be required to disclose what she read yesterday and what she will read tomorrow, fear will take the place of freedom in the libraries, book stores, and homes of the land. Through the harassment of hearings, investigations, reports, and subpoenas government will hold a club over speech and over the press."

-- William O. Douglas


News and Opinion

Julian Assange's health in 'dangerous' condition, say doctors

Julian Assange’s long stay in the Ecuadorian embassy in London is having a “dangerous” impact on his physical and mental health, according to clinicians who carried out the most recent assessments of him.

The pair renewed calls for the WikiLeaks publisher to be granted safe passage to a London hospital.

Sondra Crosby, a doctor and associate professor at the Boston University’s school of medicine and public health, and Brock Chisholm, a London-based consultant clinical psychologist, examined Assange for 20 hours over three days in October.

In an article for the Guardian, they wrote: “While the results of the evaluation are protected by doctor-patient confidentiality, it is our professional opinion that his continued confinement is dangerous physically and mentally to him and a clear infringement of his human right to healthcare.”

Although the two did not go into details, Assange’s health appears to be deteriorating significantly after more than five years holed up in the embassy.

Mevlut Cavusoglu on Afrin offensive: "The US made a lot of promises and they haven't delivered"

U.S.-backed Syria force denies Islamic State in area targeted by Turkey

The U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) rejected a Turkish army statement that Islamic State was present in the Afrin region of northwestern Syria, where Ankara launched an offensive four days ago which has raised international concern.

The Turkish military said late on Tuesday it had killed at least 260 Syrian Kurdish fighters and Islamic State militants in its offensive into the Kurdish-dominated Afrin region of northwest Syria.

Turkey’s air and ground operation has opened a new front in Syria’s multi-sided civil war and could threaten U.S. plans to stabilize and rebuild a large area of northeast Syria - beyond President Bashar al-Assad’s control - where Washington helped the SDF to drive out Islamic State militants.

“The whole world knows Daesh (Islamic State) is not present in Afrin,” Redur Xelil, a senior SDF official, told Reuters. He said the Turkish military had greatly exaggerated SDF casualties, though he declined to say how many had been killed.

CIA chief Mike Pompeo interviewed in Mueller's Russia investigation

CIA director Mike Pompeo has been questioned by the special counsel’s office investigating alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election and possible collusion with Donald Trump’s campaign, NBC News reported on Wednesday.

The report comes one day after the DoJ said Robert Mueller’s office questioned attorney general Jeff Sessions last week, a significant step in an inquiry that has overshadowed Trump’s first year in office. ...

NBC, citing people familiar with the inquiry, did not say when the interview with Pompeo occurred but said one person familiar with the inquiry called him a “peripheral witnesses” to Comey’s firing.

Representatives for the CIA said the US intelligence agency had no comment on NBC’s report.

NBC also reported that former senior campaign aide and White House strategist Steve Bannon is expected to meet with Mueller’s team by the end of January. Bannon had earlier reached an agreement to be interviewed by Mueller’s investigators instead of appearing before a grand jury.

NSA Deletes “Honesty” and “Openness” From Core Values

The National Security Agency maintains a page on its website that outlines its mission statement. Earlier this month, the agency made a discreet change: It removed “honesty” as its top priority. Since at least May 2016, the surveillance agency had featured honesty as the first of four “core values” listed on NSA.gov, alongside “respect for the law,” “integrity,” and “transparency.” The agency vowed on the site to “be truthful with each other.”

On January 12, however, the NSA removed the mission statement page – which can still be viewed through the Internet Archive – and replaced it with a new version. Now, the parts about honesty and the pledge to be truthful have been deleted. The agency’s new top value is “commitment to service,” which it says means “excellence in the pursuit of our critical mission.”

Those are not the only striking alterations. In its old core values, the NSA explained that it would strive to be deserving of the “great trust” placed in it by national leaders and American citizens. It said that it would “honor the public’s need for openness.” But those phrases are now gone; all references to “trust,” “honor,” and “openness” have disappeared.

The agency previously stated on its website that it embraced transparency and claimed that all of its activities were aimed at “ensuring the safety, security, and liberty of our fellow citizens.” That has also been discarded. The agency still says it is committed to transparency on the updated website, but the transparency is now described as being for the benefit of “those who authorize and oversee NSA’s work on behalf of the American people.” The definition of “integrity” has been edited, too. The agency formerly said its commitment to integrity meant it would “behave honorably and apply good judgment.” The phrase “behave honorably” has now been dropped in favor of “communicating honestly and directly, acting ethically and fairly and carrying out our mission efficiently and effectively.”

The Navy built a ‘fast, agile’ warship for $440M. It’s been stuck in ice since Christmas Eve.

The commissioning of the USS Little Rock was held in Buffalo last month, on a day so cold that people’s breath billowed through the air as they spoke. ... One Navy official spoke of the combat ship’s “adaptability, speed and maneuverability.” A Navy chaplain bowed his head in prayer to bless the Little Rock before it sailed to its home port, Naval Station Mayport in Jacksonville. ...

Despite the benedictions, the ship’s maiden voyage has gotten off to a rather inauspicious start. A week after it was commissioned, as it made its way along the Saint Lawrence Seaway, the USS Little Rock became trapped by ice near Montreal. It has remained stuck there since Christmas Eve, the Toronto Star first reported, thanks to “unusually heavy ice conditions.”

Brazilian court upholds corruption conviction for ex-president Lula

A Brazilian court has upheld the conviction of former president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva for corruption and money laundering, in a ruling that complicates his plans to run for a third term and marks an extraordinary change of fortune for the most popular leader in modern Brazilian history.

Three judges at the appeals court in Porto Alegre voted unanimously on Wednesday to uphold the sentence that Lula was handed by a lower court, and increased the penalty from nine and a half years to 12 years and one month.

The ruling prompted protests across Brazil, and protestors set fire to tires and block streets in Porto Alegre and São Paulo. Lula leads early polls for October’s presidential election, but the latest court decision means that he could be barred from running. The former union leader says he is innocent and the process is politically motivated to stop him from standing for an election. His supporters have called it an attack on democracy.

Hale County, AL is Subject of Poetic Documentary on Blackness and Everyday Life in the Black Belt

Eight Humanitarian Activists Face Federal Charges After Leaving Water for Migrants in the Arizona Desert

A faith-based humanitarian group that provides aid and shelter to undocumented migrants on the southwestern border fears it has become the latest target in the Trump administration’s crackdown on immigration advocates. Eight members of the group, No More Deaths, were charged with federal crimes and misdemeanors in recent months, including one volunteer arrested last week shortly after the publication of a report documenting alleged abuses by the U.S. Border Patrol.

Last week, the Tucson, Arizona-based organization published a report presenting what it described as evidence of Border Patrol agents’ systematic destruction of water jugs left for migrants in the desert, as well as “months of increasing surveillance and harassment” by the agency beginning last year. Hours after the report was published, one of the group’s organizers was arrested in a remote area of Arizona, along with two undocumented immigrants, and hit with felony charges.

The Bigot Threatening CNN Got Out of Jail in Time for Dinner

Early Tuesday morning, we learned that Brandon Griesemer, a 19-year-old grocery store clerk from Novi, Michigan, made at least 22 calls to CNN’s Atlanta headquarters where he not only threatened to shoot and kill employees, but used racial and ethnic slurs for both African-Americans and Jews. The calls were made two weeks ago, and Griesemer was charged last Friday.

This was not Griesemer’s first rodeo. On September 19, he was reported to have made similarly ugly calls to an Islamic center in Ann Arbor, Michigan. ...

But Griesemer did not seem to frighten the U.S. District Court.

Griesemer, you see, is a dangerous bigot, but he is also white. And because of his whiteness, he is already free on just $10,000 bond. He was charged, arrested, and released all in a single day, last Friday.

His threats, in the spirit of the Trump administration’s soft stance on white supremacy and other violence from white people, were basically given the legal version of a wink and a nod. If you think for a single solitary moment that a Muslim-American who made 22 hateful, violent calls to CNN threatening mass casualties would’ve been charged, arrested, and released on the same day, with a bond of any kind, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. They wouldn’t get home in time to see next year’s Superbowl, let alone the game that night.



the horse race



The DNC is finally sending money to state Democratic parties after 7 months

The Democratic National Committee will begin doling out $1 million to 11 state parties as part of its $10 million State Party Innovation Fund, a party spokesperson confirmed on Wednesday.

The move, first reported by the Washington Post, comes days after VICE News reported that state parties were increasingly frustrated with the slow pace of distributing the grants. More than seven months after the DNC’s July announcement of the ambitious plan to rebuild the state parties with the innovation fund, only one state—Washington—had received any money, VICE News reported. ...

The lack of money raised questions of whether party chairman Tom Perez was capable of raising sufficient money to fund the state part revamp. As of November 30th, the party did not even have $10 million cash-on-hand (the DNC declined to provide updated numbers). The DNC has been a conspicuous outlier on the left in its inability to raise significant money in the Trump era. New progressive “resistance” groups, candidates up and down the ballot, and even the Democratic Party’s House and Senate arms are flush with cash. But the DNC has had trouble raising money for its efforts.

Bernie Sanders - Medicare for All National Town Hall



the evening greens


Is this the end of civilisation? We could take a different path

It’s a good question, but it seems too narrow: “Is western civilisation on the brink of collapse?” the lead article in this week’s New Scientist asks. The answer is, probably. But why just western? Yes, certain western governments are engaged in a frenzy of self-destruction. In an age of phenomenal complexity and interlocking crises, the Trump administration has embarked on a mass de-skilling and simplification of the state. Donald Trump may have sacked his strategist, Steve Bannon, but Bannon’s professed intention, “the deconstruction of the administrative state”, remains the central – perhaps the only – policy. ...

But these pathologies are not confined to “the west”. The rise of demagoguery (the pursuit of simplistic solutions to complex problems, accompanied by the dismantling of the protective state) is everywhere apparent. Environmental breakdown is accelerating worldwide. The annihilation of vertebrate populations, insectageddon, the erasure of rainforests, mangroves, soil and aquifers, and the degradation of entire Earth systems such as the atmosphere and oceans proceed at astonishing rates. These interlocking crises will affect everyone, but the poorer nations are hit first and worst.

The forces that threaten to destroy our wellbeing are also the same everywhere: primarily the lobbying power of big business and big money, which perceive the administrative state as an impediment to their immediate interests. Amplified by the persuasive power of campaign finance, covertly funded thinktanks, embedded journalists and tame academics, these forces threaten to overwhelm democracy. If you want to know how they work, read Jane Mayer’s book Dark Money.

Complex societies have collapsed many times before. It has not always been a bad thing. As James C Scott points out in his fascinating book, Against the Grain, when centralised power began to collapse, through epidemics, crop failure, floods, soil erosion or the self-destructive perversities of government, its corralled subjects would take the chance to flee. In many cases they joined the “barbarians”. ... But today there is nowhere to turn. The wild lands and rich ecosystems that once supported hunter gatherers, nomads and the refugees from imploding early states who joined them now scarcely exist. ... In the nominally democratic era, the complex state is now, for all its flaws, all that stands between us and disaster.


Also of Interest

Here are some articles of interest, some which defied fair-use abstraction.

Intercepted Podcast: First They Came for the Immigrants

Thought Police for the 21st Century

Alternative Media And Selling Out

Gaius Publius: Democrats Laying Their Own Bonfire

Why Are the Media Ignoring Crucial Parts of the Simpson Testimony?

Ex-President Lula’s Corruption Conviction Is Upheld by Brazilian Appeals Court. Now What?


A Little Night Music

Otis Williams and The Charms - Hearts Of Stone

Otis Williams and The Charms - Two Hearts

Otis Williams and The Charms - That's Your Mistake

Otis Williams & The Charms - Gotta Get Myself Together

Otis Williams & The Charms - Walkin' After Midnight

Otis Williams & The Charms - Ling Ting Tong

Otis Williams And The Charms - I Fall To Pieces

Otis Williams And The Charms - United

Otis Williams And The Charms - Heart of a Rose

Otis Williams & The Charms - Whirlwind

Otis Williams & The Charms - Baby, You Turn Me On

Otis Williams & The Charms - Whadaya Want

Otis Williams & The Charms - Red Hot Love


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OLinda's picture

Thank you for that quote, joe. Of course, if he were alive and writing today, he would include the internet. That all of our searches, and browsing activity are captured and recorded is a disgusting invasion, chilling effect, and fact of life. I never feel that I have any privacy in anything I do.

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@OLinda

it's funny, when i was a kid in grade school, we used to laugh at the idea that there was a "permanent record" that would follow us around for the rest of our lives. (for those of you born after the 50's, teachers would sometimes threaten students with the idea that their failure to perform in class would lead to a black mark on a "permanent record" that the school kept which would then follow us into the world as we sought further education, employment, etc.)

i wonder where that permanent record is today.

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Raggedy Ann's picture

@joe shikspack
stored in a cardboard box somewhere with other stuff stacked on top of it.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Azazello's picture

I know that area pretty well. I've been to all the little towns mentioned in the article.
We used to love just hopping in the Jeep on a nice day for a drive in the desert. There's lots of cool roads down there. We don't do it anymore, too depressing. Groups of migrants huddled under creosote bushes, Border Patrol trucks all over the place, kinda' takes the fun out of it.
Doo-Wopoly Report: Arizona Daily Star
I suspect this is model legislation from ALEC and the Koch Bros. We'll know for sure if identical bills start showing up in other states.
Here's a good discussion of our Defense Secretary's Imperialist Manifesto:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ExsQnTRhU width:500 height:300]

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

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@Azazello

yep, i'm fairly disgusted by the callousness of a government that does its best to make sure that desperate people trying to escape places that the empire has turned into hellholes die in as large numbers as possible.

that proposed legislation to limit the effect of the 17th amendment might set up some interesting court challenges should it pass. i wonder if the courts are ready to codify the two-party system. dangerous stuff!

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Raggedy Ann's picture

Very timely to put in that quote from Douglas. Chilling. As OLinda said above, we no longer have private lives.

Had a raccoon problem - killing our chickens. The raccoon is no more. Don't mess with Raggedy Andy.

Edited to add: Matt Taibbi is at UNM and giving a talk at 5:30. Can't wait to see him in person and hear what he has to say.

Have a beautiful evening, folks! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

joe shikspack's picture

@Raggedy Ann

yep, it's kind of frightening how quickly our civil rights have been diminished. i wonder if there's any chance that our fellow americans might see the problem and be willing to do something about it.

let us know how taibbi's talk goes! have a great evening.

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@joe shikspack
The journalism department brought him in, so the talk was about difficulty reporting in the internet age. He gave many very good examples of how fake news gets in the cycle, the last example being the Steele Dossier.

He had great personal stories about his career path - something of great interest to the journalism majors in attendance. I know quite a bit about him, so I was familiar with most of those stories. He was so at ease as he spoke, he painted good pictures for us. The audience, about 75, appeared engaged.

It was interesting to listen to him bring the lecture from LBJ to today. He spoke about 1.5 hours. I left when questions began, because many hands went up and the first one was a very complicated question about social media. With an hour drive home, it was best to scoot out. I didn’t get home until 8:30. I was glad I attended, it was worth my time.

Thanks for asking!

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

OLinda's picture

The pair renewed calls for the WikiLeaks publisher to be granted safe passage to a London hospital.

He needs safe passage to a country without an extradition treaty with the murderous U.S. govt. The U.S. is never going to submit to the law and to UN rulings regarding Assange. Unfortunately, the UK won't either as they are under the thumb of the U.S.

He needs a rescue à la Seal Team 6. Or, an incredible disguise that will allow him to walk out of the embassy into a waiting vehicle, and to the airport with fake ID.

If he waits for the U.S. to give up its desire to capture him and throw him into a black hole, or likely worse, I fear he will be at the embassy forever. The U.N and others should be doing more to publicize their rulings and shame the U.S. for being torturing thugs and for not being a nation of laws.

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@OLinda

but i have a sad feeling that this will not end well. neither the us nor the uk government have a scruple to rub against another, and the un is only effective at applying its principles to states that the empire wishes to bomb, otherwise it is an impotent appendage.

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enhydra lutris's picture

love the frozen fast agile warship too.
Still unpacking. Stuff moved from trailer and truck to house and garage, but that is only the beginning.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris

heh, too bad nobody told the navy that it gets cold in places on the globe sometimes. Smile

good luck with the unpacking, hope it goes smoothly. have a great evening!

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Healthcare seems minor compared to all the fail we are facing. Margaret Flowers tweeted a story about a woman dumpster diving for food in order to be able to afford long term care for her husband with Alz/Dem.

Was interesting to see more info on MFA bills. http://healthoverprofit.org/ has quite a few resources dealing with comparisons between public option and mfa, and that the House Bill covers long term care, but not the Senate. Seems the Senate wants to go for incrementalismo. We all know how that will play out...

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

joe shikspack's picture

@divineorder

i guess it's good that americans lead the world in filling dumpsters with food!?!:

"Wasted food is also the single biggest occupant in American landfills, the Environmental Protection Agency has found."

apparently one of the joys of capitalism is for the elect to watch the poor scramble in dumpsters to obtain their survival needs.

"Wherefore in order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned. ... Whoever pities another shares somewhat in his unhappiness. But the blessed cannot share in any unhappiness. Therefore they do not pity the affliction of the damned."

-- Saint Thomas Aquinas

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With bad dog mental madass declaring war on every country in the way of murcan values (who's values?). Time to connect with the world beyond political walls and military threats. Taking crazy to a new level. You'd think the rulers had another planet to escape to after they trash this one. Not so. They are going down with the rest of us. Bombing their way out of the failure of the petro dollar ain't gonna cut it. End of rant, for now.

Because what, ultimately, is imperialism? The inability to solve the problems of the nation-state within national borders drives the policy of war and conquest. David North

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@QMS

heh, misery loves company and imperialism is just a bad nation attempting to share. Smile

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mimi's picture

then Lee Camp's video... no way to not get real angry and disgusted. Good Evening, Joe.

If Assange health deteriorates to a life-threatening level, I want to go berserk. I will not stop accusing those who are responsible for his imprisonment in the Ecuadorian embassy. Somehow this is unforgivable. I hate now even Sweden for what they allowed to happen over the years in the effort to destroy Assange's life. This is slow motion psychological and physical soft torture and if he dies it's murder. Period.

Lee Camp, how I would love to help him finding "the platform", he knows is nowhere around and available.

It all fits together with your quote from Douglas.

If the lady from Toledo can be required to disclose what she read yesterday and what she will read tomorrow, fear will take the place of freedom in the libraries, book stores, and homes of the land. Through the harassment of hearings, investigations, reports, and subpoenas government will hold a club over speech and over the press."

This is happening. And nobody wants to admit it and most don't want to know about it, if they are told it's happening. It all feels like the "book burning" in the Third Reich at its beginning stages and then to learn the university students were the most passionate supporters of these book burning events. Ok, I shouldn't compare. It never fits or is useful in any way. It reminds me of the SS standing in silence in the back of the Church where Pastor Niemöller preached to make sure everybody knows that each of his words were heard and surveilled by TPTB way back then. All based on inciting fear and hate. That's what they love and that's what they get til it ends up in bloody wars.

Heh, I just post Lee Camp's video here again. I wished people could see that on NPR in the US. Or may be on German TV in a documentary about the oppression of free speech online and in US msm... yeah, right, if that would ever happen.

[video:https://youtu.be/Ob9pFzP9xno]

The tragic is that the hate Lee Camp talks about he feels, is the hate the TPTB want to create. So that they can break folks like him, like Assange, like the Sane Progressive, hate they want to see in other countries against the US, so that they have their justification to chase and haunt those "evil anti-american haters" around. There is a method to it.

People may have to go silent, but they never should allow to be broken by "the method of the system".

Really, it's BAD.
Good Night. And thanks for all the fish that stinks to heaven. Usually I like fish, but when fish stinks it's toxic.

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@mimi

i agree. it really is bad. the system is applying a great deal of pressure in order to produce conformity, or failing that, coerced silence.

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video of the MFA Townhall. (The version I found had such awful sound, had to quit listening to it.) Frankly, I was sorta freaked out when I saw Dr Don Berwick--'Mr Managed Care and Capitation Fee' himself!

Wink

Seriously, his talk of 'accountability' sounded a lot like that of the VA privatizer, Dr David Shulkin, IMO. Anyhoo, I'll hold further comment until I've had a chance to listen to the entire video.

Folks may notice that Bernie didn't address how it would affect costs for 'seniors.' He never does. Since we've (Mr M and I) done the math, we think we know why. Unless the proposal gets away from the 'ACA' model, I doubt that we can support it, since it will cost us so much more (than we pay now). When I comment further, I'll provide the time marker, where he addresses 'Andy from Washington state.' For folks who have yet to listen to the townhall--please take note, he only addresses how the cost (taxes) would affect 'a family.' Obviously, our current system doesn't cost-shift in the way that this proposal would.

Our primary vet got back with all but one test result, and recommends that we allow 'the B' several weeks on a new drug to treat hypothyroidism, before we do the tests at the regional specialty vet hospital. So, fingers crossed!

Hey, hope your weather's as pleasant as ours has been. Aside from a rainy day or two, it's been really nice.

Everyone have a nice evening!

Bye

Mollie


“I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me, they are the role model for being alive.”
--Gilda Radner, Actress & Comedienne

"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage."
--Lao Tzu

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

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@Unabashed Liberal

thanks for keeping an eye on all of the players in the medicare-for-all debate and keeping us informed.

good luck to the b, i hope that the new drug clears up the problems! please give him some good luck scritches from me.

the weather here has been above normal for a few days and is supposed to be pretty nice this weekend, too. i am quite happy for the respite.

have a good one!

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@joe shikspack

here knows about (or, has taken) the drug Levothyroxine, and has had any luck with it, I'm all ears! Same applies, if anyone's had a bad reaction to it.

Wink

(It's the same drug that humans take for low thyroid function, just a 'dog version.')

Mollie


“I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me, they are the role model for being alive.”
--Gilda Radner, Actress & Comedienne

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

@Unabashed Liberal I am your bad reaction go to for pharmaceuticals, ask me anything. Wink

First, I was pissed at my doctors for prescribing thyroid killing meds, and not warning me strongly what happens when the thyroids become compromised, it is forever. It causes depression. duh! And there is no reversal, except popping pills from here to eternity, not my bag.

Second, after 45 days of diligently dosing, results were nada, no help at all in the low energy department. I didn't want to finish the second refill because,

Third, I no longer trust what the label on a prescription bottle says, all the good pharmacists are gone, driven in to retirement after ACA implementation. I still have the remainder of pills in this bottle with two stickers, one says what the medicine is supposed to look like, the other sticker says "this is the same medication, but the color, size, or shape may appear different." WTF? nope You really have to experience our CVS clerks to get the full effect. I feel sorry for them, it is not their fault the system is in collapse.

I am also happy to receive information on good results, on any animal. What symptoms are you dosing for?

P.S. I am sensing from the news that Health Centers are on the chopping block, because Bernie. Nice reward for caucusing with criminals, eh? meh

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@eyo

that you had such a miserable experience taking Levothyrozine. I will take your input into consideration, and do more online research into the negative side effects (on canines) related to usage of this RX. If nothing else, the more that I know about the drug, the better equipped I might be to ask our vet more questions when we have the next follow-up exam.

What lead us to have the recent blood/lab tests was noticing how little his hair has grown (since his last grooming). We've been told that hypothroidism not only makes dogs lose hair, but it can also cause muscle weakness, which might be one reason that his mobility is so rapidly deteriorating (aside from the other condition).

Truthfully, we almost have to 'hope' that there's something else wrong with him, that can be helped, since the Spondylosis will progressively worsen--that's a given. Considering how unstable his walk is, it would be a relief if this drug were to alleviate some of the muscle weakness in his legs, aiding his mobility. Fingers crossed!

Hey, glad to see--at a morning OT, the other day--that you're already feeling better!

Pleasantry

Mollie

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@Unabashed Liberal you have probably learned levothyroxine is one of the hormones the thyroid gland makes to regulate the rate (speed)of many body functions. Hair growth and shine are visual signs of low cell growth and repair. Muscle weakness can be a sign of too low and too high thyroid levels.

In the past thyroid was commonly called an energy or a weight loss pill. It is much more complex on body functions and is not the same "energy" bump provided by caffeine or amphetamines. Sometimes when taking levothyroxine anxiety and increased heart rate may be experienced when the blood concentration is at the highest level after taking a dose or if the dose is to high.

The amount of thyroid hormones produced is regulated by the pituitary gland. Diagnosis of thyroid conditions and monitoring of thyroid supplement is done with blood levels of the thyroid supplement and the pituitary hormone (TSH- thyroid stimulating hormone. Dosing guidelines and Monitoring external signs and symptoms have not been as effective as lab monitoring to individualize the appropriate dose. It is not a medication to self titrate (adjust) the dosing or stop and start arbitrarily.

Absorption of levothyroxine can be a problem. Generally recommended taking on an empty stomach (1/2 before eating or 2 hours after). Harder to do with a dog that may need a food treat to even take a dose. Just keep the food treat as small as possible and consistent Any lab monitoring will assist in calibrating the correct dose is being absorbed for treatment. Some will take the med in the evening to try and match the body's circadian rhythm, but it is not a common practice.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

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@eyo A number of tools used by Pharmacists are now available to the general public. When a new pill shows up on a bottle go here to identify the med and strength.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

@studentofearth that's a very helpful site. The data says copyright 2014, which is when I gave up. heh
Since my version of "giving up" also means "keep going", I followed and soon found this under Monitor Closely, it is numero uno:

caffeine

caffeine decreases levels of levothyroxine by inhibition of GI absorption. Applies only to oral form of both agents. Use Caution/Monitor. COFFEE binds levothyroxine in the GI tract. Separate by 2 hours.

Huh! No wonder some take at night, or whenever caffeine ingestion is least likely, duh. I keep saying duh, as if I should pre-know everything. It shouts on the face of my bottle TAKE EVERY MORNING...WITHOUT FOOD OR DRINK...30-45 MINUTES, so that's what I did, religiously. lol hindsight. Perhaps I should try it again, symptoms of muscle weakness are not whooshing by me. I get it, and other health bummers that go with low bmi. https://www.livestrong.com/article/273015-health-risks-of-a-low-bmi/

Thanks studentofearth, I really appreciate it.

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