Clinton operatives linked to Assange smear

It's less than a surprise to see Orange State, a Democratic Party mouthpiece, linked to the Julian Assange smear.
So it should be even less surprising that Larry Summers, an influential, neoliberal advisor in the Clinton campaign, is also linked to the Assange smear.

Internet sleuths from Reddit were able to dig up some information about the dating service pushing the attacks on Assange, finding that the company shares the address with a private intelligence corporation named Premise Data Corporation.

Interestingly, Larry Summers, who is connected to the Clinton Campaign, is on the board of directors of Premise Data Corporation.

Here is the Reddit post that lays out the findings:

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As other Redditors point out, the Center for American Progress was founded by Clinton campaign chair John Podesta and was funded by billionaire and pro-Clintonite George Soros.
As we reported yesterday, Fox News had told its audience Tuesday morning that Assange would be arrested “maybe in a matter of hours,” leading to the speculation that there could have been a plot to arrest Assange over the pedophilia accusations.

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...work in this country could smell this bullshit a mile away, when it first appeared. The fact that this was first promoted over at Daily Kos--which receives somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 million-plus per year from the DNC/DSCC/DCCC, but refuses to provide any details regarding the specific sources of its financing--really tells us all we needed to needed to know. Their credibility is--and has been for quite some time--truly and totally shot. For more than two or three years, they've been little more than just another neoliberal Hillary PAC. Orange State is to the point where they make even John Podesta's and Neera Tanden's Center for American Progress look good!

Fucking shameless and disgusting!

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"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson

Cachola's picture

Anyone who has been paying some attention. When the Assange rape accusations first came out my son said in his best church lady imitation "How conveeeeeenient."

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

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How stupid and desperate is Clinton to underestimate the talent of internet jockeys to unravel this simple slipknot in record time.

She and her gang of hubris driven sociopaths are pathetic.

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They are idiots when it comes to tech and modern society. Complete Morans.

They're paying people to do work for them who "know" how to do it. The guy who contacted Reddit for help securing her server, for instance. The people being paid to do the work are surely aware of their limitations and the limitations and risks involved with doing the work that "their betters" are contracting, or demanding them to do.

It's called Hubris, and the Internet has a way of reducing hubris to farce in rapid fashion.

Hillary and Drumpf don't even know how to internet. Ted Stevens is an IT phenom compared to them. And what makes it worse is they don't care that they are ignorant of such common and bedrock technologies. Any problem can be solved with enough money and institutional propaganda.

This is a main reason they are failing to keep the rabble in check. The Big Lie is collapsing because of this.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

but are willing to believe the bigger one?? Cool!!!

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http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/93582614#p93582614

When searched for. The ToddandClare business location is actually identical to this company
"Premise Data Corporation"
https://local.yahoo.com/info-135125211-premise-data-corporation-san-fran...

Here you can view its team page
http://www.premise.com/ourteam/

Who's board of directors has guess who
"Larry Summers" Who goes by "Lawrence Summers" in "The Center for American Progress" Superpac
https://www.americanprogress.org/about/staff/summers-lawrence/bio/

Also Affiliated directly with Podesta, as a quick wikileaks search gets
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9829

A summary TO MOMENT:

http://yournewswire.com/reddit-clinton-julian-assange-pedo/

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From the Light House.

it's not surprising that they would be all over this.

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kharma's picture

The big bombs must yet to be dropped for this kind of crappily thought out smear to see the light of day. They must really be worried.

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There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams

cover their tracks very well either. The schemers were not only amoral and vicious, but incompetent as well. Hillary is probably in a back room somewhere, tearing her hair out & giving somebody major shit.

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Pretty much like HRC's foreign policy when she was Secretary of State.

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there's discussion on what type of "accident" the person who botched it will be facing. Should we keep our eyes and ears pealed for a mysterious death befalling one of the people involved?

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as if millions of Hillary-leaning Bernie voters suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Bank, he wrote an internal memo that CounterPunch got and published. Summers said, "I've always felt that the under populated countries of Africa are under polluted, their air is vastly inefficient..."

That's what a Harvard education will get you...

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

wish anything, like death, on anyone. But I sure wish an alien spacecraft would come down and gather people like Summers up, kinda like picking blueberries, and use them for snacks on their long journey through the universe...
...although, they'd probably get the shits....

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as a justification for the idea of using that land as a dumping ground for nuclear waste. When confronted, he said something like he was "just thinking out loud" -no intention to really do it, etc. SCUM is too good a word for him.

Never known myself to be a violent person, until now. Never owned a gun, too scared to do anything but SCREAM. Feel a RAGE can't even describe.

Understand why many voting for Donald Trump. Think he's less dangerous. Clintons & all their sycophants need to GO. Be destroyed. That's my first wish, Jill getting a helluva lot more than 5% is my second wish. But getting rid of Clintons is #1.

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in official internal memos. He meant it. He meant it like using Sierra Blanca county Texas as a repository for nuke waste...Whole landscapes and the populations are just in the way of capitalism's eternal quest for profit.

Agree with you: SCUM; and, I hope the Greens get over 5%.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Piling on with a link, probably others from elsewhere have seen me post it before. I repeat myself:
Structural Adjustment—a Major Cause of Poverty, big page about a third of the way down is a quote:

In 1991 Larry Summers, then Chief Economist for the World Bank (and US Treasury Secretary, in the Clinton Administration, until George Bush and the Republican party came into power), had been a strong backer of structural adjustment policies. He wrote in an internal memo:

Just between you and me, shouldn’t the World Bank be encouraging more migration of dirty industries to the LDCs [less developed countries]?… The economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable, and we should face up to that… Under-populated countries in Africa are vastly under-polluted; their air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City… The concern over an agent that causes a one in a million change in the odds of prostate cancer is obviously going to be much higher in a country where people survive to get prostate cancer than in a country where under-five mortality is 200 per thousand.

— Lawrence Summers, Let them eat pollution, The Economist, February 8, 1992. Quoted from Vandana Shiva, Stolen Harvest, (South End Press, 2000) p.65; See also Richard Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism (Allyn and Bacon, 1999), pp. 233-236 for a detailed look at this.

When looked at in this light, poverty is more than simple economic issues; it is also an ideological construct. [...]

Good reading over there I think. Thanks a lot.

Peace

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that's why I put "" around it. Those were his words to defend himself.

Almost as sickening as when McNamara "apologized" for his role in the Viet Nam war, years and years after the fact. Still makes me sick to think of all of them. SCUM.

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where ho vocally doubted the abilities of women in science fields. Arrogant prick.

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By gambling away its endowment too.

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Who knew that we would have to do a timeline on Larry Summers. Bull in many china shops?

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Harvard was after the Clinton administration. He left Harvard before the Great Recession, but the investments he made while President cost the University at least $1.8 billion. By 2008 the University was selling bonds and increasing its debt load. Then Obama hired him...

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Wed, 10/19/2016 - 12:24pm — riverlover

There is also his Harvard time as President
where ho vocally doubted the abilities of women in science fields. Arrogant prick.

OMG, he was that guy? No wonder Bernie supporters were magically made misogynists, as well as Young White Racist Males (and sometimes affluent and either educated-elites-in-a-bad-way and sometimes ignorant college students or worse, depending).

I never did wear a bra except for horseback riding, so that part was OK about being turned male, but the jockstrap failed to come with a decorative pink penis and seemed rather pointless. But optics are all, right? That, and 'magic lantern' projection.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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the disgust I have for this man. Insulting women at Harvard, his mighty hand in ousting Brooksley Born(e) at the Federal level, (Frontline piece), his outstanding dislike for the 99% of this country, and on top of that, his comment on CP. Truly disgusting.

Evil.Scum. If she wins, he'll be in the Cabinet somewhere. I don't advocate violence against/to anyone, but he's on the same level of disgust as Cheney in my opinion, and sometimes I wish the Karma would kick into overdrive and rid the world of people like this.

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Considering how odious Trump is, Hillary is still having trouble getting a decisive lead.

Then there's all this pearl clutching about how democracy is at risk because........Trump is saying the elections are rigged. How we all have to get along for the sake of the country. Like when was the last time we got along? I seem to remember Rove having a meltdown when RMoney lost, he couldn't believe his version of rigging went awry. And how about all of that rigging to steal the primaries from Bernie? Are we supposed to act like those aren't things?

"Oh, they're stealing democracy".......that's the newest line. If the truth is stealing democracy, then we aren't in a democracy. I hate all of these people. I want to move to the wilderness.

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This quote was was taken from a New York Times book review of Frank's book, "Listen Liberal." I have referenced it several times because it captures the extreme sense of entitlement and arrogance of neo-liberals like Summers.

As proof, he points to the famously impolitic Larry Summers, whose background as a former president of Harvard, former Treasury secretary and former chief economist of the World Bank embodies all that Frank abhors about modern Democrats. “One of the reasons that inequality has probably gone up in our society is that people are being treated closer to the way that they’re supposed to be treated,” Summers commented early in the Obama administration.

“Remember, as you let that last sentence slide slowly down your throat, that this was a Democrat saying this,” Frank writes. From this mind-set stems everything that the Democrats have done to betray the masses, from Bill Clinton’s crime bill and welfare reform policies to Obama’s failure to rein in Wall Street, according to Frank.

People like Summers need to be relegated to the trash heap of history. They have done so much damage throughout the world and they really do not care.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

capitalism with a system that encourages democracy in the workplace and in planning infrastructure additions; supports a sustainable agriculture; supports earth-friendly energy generation; and recognizes the concept of "enough."

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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From the Light House.

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you share this comment, gulfgal98.

Calling Karma!!!

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So the thing that the Russians were plotting to do a week and a half ago Clinton and the media and the CIA can't do today?

The good thing about propaganda is that the general population cooperates by forgetting what was said yesterday in favor of the new story. The new story is that Hillary is ahead by double digits and the integrity of the election is unchallengeable.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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he was up all night trying to figure out how to starve someone.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

dance in his head.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

riverlover's picture

yes. Swimming lessons?

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Larry Summers, David Soloff, Scott Foval, Robert Creamer, who's next?

Does anyone know anything about Brad Woodhouse, Foval's boss and former DNC operative? His brother, Dallas is chairman of the Repugs in NC, where the firebomb hit the Rep. party HQ. It all seems too weird.

Nothing is too slimy for these guys.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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Only the people comfy with the Corporate Center are immune.

And I have to say, mass gaslighting of people with guns is dangerous stuff.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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Aaron Black aka Aaron Minter is featured in a new video about getting women to be bullied at Trump rallies:

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

education." so said Cornel West who felt compelled to leave his teaching job to get away from Summers.

Summers served as president of Harvard for only five years, the shortest tenure of anyone in over a century. Summers, the arb king, over ruled the people who ran the Harvard endowment and had his investments blow up in his face.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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How about the info on the TiSA?
TiSA … another trade scam exposed by wikileaks that could pass in the lame duck session.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVDJ0i33L0Y (15 min) from the real news

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Thank you for posting that link, Lookout. That's as bad as the TPP. Have you heard of any actions countering this? Individual contacts to elected officials and individual letters to the editor are good, but may not get noticed, and won't get the word out to the public.

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There are too many events now from the plot line of the movie to continue to think it's coincidence.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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quit with the talk and the threats and release it.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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You keep saying things like that. Do you have some agenda that wants to push Assange to drop everything he has all at once in mid-October so it's forgotten about by the time the election rolls around? Really, it's hard to understand why you would otherwise be doing this.

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may be referred to as an 'agenda'. Myself included. And you. We're small potatoes here, outside of this community no one cares what we say. What I have is an 'opinion' just like you. And it may be mid-October but some of us can carry an idea in our heads for longer than 24 hours. And discuss it. And pass it on. There will be no political equivalent of the Hail Mary pass with 2 seconds to go and down by 3.

On October 4th Assange said this (that was the last time he was supposed to be releasing devastating news about the election):
"“There’s been a lot of misquoting of me and WikiLeaks publications,” he said. “In this particular case, the misquoting has to do with that we intend, or I intend, to harm Hillary Clinton or that I don’t like Hillary Clinton. All those are false.""

IN THIS ARTICLE from the WP is a video at the top of the page of him saying it.

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Trump fans wake, and wait in vain, for a WikiLeaks ‘October Surprise’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/04/trump...

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After him saying that he really needs to drop his bombs or quit playing everyone. Comes a time to either 'fish or cut bait'. Either he has something or he doesn't and I'm leaning toward the doesn't based on past actions and his statement in that video.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

he had 'enough evidence' to get HRC aressted/indicted/convicted. He provides the video that has been purported to be the source of such a statement by Assange, and has done a thorough search of other articles that refer to that purported 'statement by Assange'.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/07/will-a-wikileaks-email-get-...

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and it just isn't there. He is not going to turn this election around. And Hellery will (unfortunately for us all) win this freaking election. But this Assange stuff is like Linus in the pumpkin patch. (Good article. I hope more people read it.)

Me, I'm voting for Stein so that I can look at myself in the mirror.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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Now where is my blanket? It's cold out in that pumpkin patch.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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if Assange was a CIA mole gone rogue. Something about him has tripped my bullshit meter for a long time, but if that's even in the ballpark, then he's dangerous to somebody...

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This is a war of a thousand pin pricks and which each release the pins become sharper, thicker and more directed. Today for example is this (copied my post in Facebook).

I have been posting elsewhere concerning the Podesta emails, the Clinton run smear campaign against Assange (Wikileaks) and such like. But this one email really pisses me off because some months ago I was attacked for posting that Clinton was still accepting donations from private prisons and private detention centers which are used as slave labor camps for African-Amaricans, Hispanic-Americans and immigrants. I knew months ago she was lying through her teeth and got attacked for calling it.

Well here is the fucking email that proves what I was saying all along on the subject:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/21213

"She wants to be able to say: "No, I don't accept donations from private prisons or from ppl who run private prisons." But for her to say that, it has to be true. Meaning that she only accepts money from bundlers who lobby for private prisons -- as well as other groups. Or that there is some disconnect between the lobbyists/bundlers for her, and actual private prison companies."

"Thanks, Sara. Running this through the channels to make sure that we can get something set up on it tonight."

This is slimy shit, and it enrages me. There is plenty to be outraged about in the so far twelve dumps of Podesta E-Mails. But, for goodness sake, don't be fooled by Trump either... the person is either so ignorant in his statements, most of which are plain false, or is a pathological liar on the same scale as the Clintons.

They are both evil corporate police state pieces of garbage. Please, vote for Stein, Johnson or someone else (I prefer Socialist candidates) and register your protest. One of these two are likely to win, but we need to keep them to as minority a vote as possible so they can't claim they have a mandate. We have to get 5% for Green so they are an "official"party next election.

A smoking gun would be ignored by MSM... what we have here are an overwhelming mass of blows... with, if many sources are correct, will lead to the knock out punches.

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From the Light House.

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dismissed or ignored or the media has played with the Clinton campaign the "shoot the messenger" game.

There really is literally nothing that could come out that will change this election.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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Her Heinous is, sooner or later, going to piss off the wrong Very Important Person in said media. I say that only because she's managed to piss so many people off, in her desperation. It's a long shot as to any good timing, but I don't think it's an impossible scenario yet...

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Frankenstein on her and completely redone her look, clothing, hair, and it looks like they got a grip on her health problem. She seems more cool and collected than she has this entire campaign (IMO a drug-induced calm but I could be full of shit on that one).

She's been disappearing for days at a time and each time she show up again she looks better than she did and acts better too. I would love to know what's going on an where ever it is she goes because her little disappearances have made a world of difference. Now all she has to do is lay low, maintain her cool, and she's got it made.

It would be nice if there was a last minute 'miracle' to save us from Hellery, but it's not going to happen. TPTB have too much invested in her and too much to lose themselves if she fails. I'm not saying the election is rigged because I can't prove it. Do I think it could be? Of course. Look at the Democratic Primary. I'm sure that this will sound terrible, but in a way I hope the Democrats don't retake the House. And the reason for that is (I think) obvious. The Repubs saved us a number of times when Obama wanted to put the screws to us. She's going to be worse. Let's hope they hate her as much as they did old Hopey-Changey.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Since Johnson has been quoted as supporting the TPP corporate coup, Jill is the only Presidential candidate currently running who supports democracy and the global survival of life on the planet over totalitarian corporate/billionaire power and control on order for the few to literally 'have it all', even though destroying 'it all' (including global oxygen production in the very near future, as within your own/your children's/grandchildren's theoretical lifespans) in the hostile takeover/profit maximization process.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020

One thing to remember for people like Sanders, Warren, and similar voices in Congress on the democrat side, is that this smear machine will probably remain intact after the election. If Hillary wins, I don't think TOP will be anymore open to say criticisms of Clinton's history as an extreme war hawk then they are right now. Establishment dems will support the David Brock's to work at dominating social media and the internet for any message they want to deliver, or to marginalize any group or person.

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This isn't going away on November 9.
This is the way it'll be for the next four years, especially on TOP

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Look at how any criticism of Obama was handled on DK.
He continued almost every one of Bush's policies including expanding PNAC's goals in the Middle East, the spying program which incorporates 800 private companies, extended the patriot act as well as the charter schools programs just to name a few things.
The anti war protesters on DK were told to shut up because Obama is different than Bush. image_216.jpeg
People are still writing that he has been the best president since FDR even though income inequality is as bad as it was in 1928.
And they say that he's ended two wars and hasn't started any new ones while the Afghanistan war is still going strong, he's sent troops back into Iraq.
Invaded and destroyed Libya on false pretenses and is trying to overthrow Assad again on false pretenses.
People say that they will miss him when he leaves office or wishes that he could run for a third term.
Meanwhile the people in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine and God knows how many other countries have had their lives either snuffed out or their country destroyed.
The only difference between him and Bush when it comes to the wars is that less American soldiers have been killed in the line of duty.
Even Bush or Cheney said that they had the right to kill 3 Americans without due process.
No bank CEOs or war criminals have even been charged, but he has prosecuted more whistleblowers under the espionage act then all previous presidents.
Most transparent administration ever, my ass!

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It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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That's important because it's how they fund all these crazy wars, on credit. Once the bubble finally bursts, they won't be able to afford a war with Russia, China, Iran, or anyone else.

The sycophants at TOP are pretty tedious. That part is simple though, because as the place restricts more thought and expression, it gets increasingly boring and stupid, and people leave, as they already have, in droves. In ten years we'll barely remember a place called DKos.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

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that he's fleeced them out of.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

they will hold on to win the election. but it does not have to happen.

a whole lot of people are wised up now.

bernie would take the prog. wing of dem party with him today if he went Green.

stein could have 1/5 -1/4 of the vote and it is a new day.

If we fail, it will have been the failure of our progressive "leaders". The people are ready to go.

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Amanda Matthews's picture

about one thing. The young. Everyone has quit talking about the millennial voters. It's like they all disappeared from view.

What are they thinking? Who are they going to vote for? At one time I read only 15% of Sanders voters were going over to the Dark Side. Where's that number at now? They are an important factor in this election.

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CambridgePulsar1919's picture

They're either staying home, or voting Green/Libertarian. I base that on the large number of Millennials I associate with. Only one or two have succumbed to Trump panic and decided to vote $$Hill.

I suspect this country is going to see the greatest generational strife since the Vietnam era.

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Amanda Matthews's picture

them. And one of his friends is voting for Johnson. One went to the Dark Side and none of the others seem to know what they are going to do. (they all originally supported Sanders). All of them except the one who;s going with Hellery now say it's not worth it, it doesn't matter even though I try to tell them different, but it seems they REALLY don't care anymore and just get that glazed over look in their eyes. And the topic of the election doesn't seem to interest them anymore either.

I didn't know if this was a particularly 'odd' bunch of millennials or if they are representative of the whole. I wish that the Dem primary hadn't turned out the way it did because they seem to be as jaded as I am about the whole system now, and that's pretty bad because I'm no spring chicken and have been playing the election game for almost 40 years. It doesn't bode well for their participation in the future either, which is what concerns me the most.

Thank you for your reply.

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Seems many of them have 'got $$Hillary's message' about the value of their participation.

The DNC had better hope and pray that their little coalition is enough to beat back the repigs in the coming elections, because their utter asshole-ishness towards what should have been the future base of their party may cost them, and all of us, very, very dearly.

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you mean the 1% that will vote for Jill Stein???

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they're going Green or Libertarian--though I know a couple who have bailed. Nowhere near as many as I thought, though. It probably depends on where you live. People in so-called swing states will probably participate a bit more.

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It is unlikely a man who has been charged with raping adult women, would want to play naughty with an 8-year-old over the internet.

It was so improbable from the very beginning.

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At best, they're trying to find something more disgusting than Bill's so far been caught doing, although so far it seems to be things that are likely to publicly come out about things that he's done.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

dervish's picture

desperately need to be indicted. Imagine the social harm they can cause if allowed to run free... who will their next target be? Charges like these destroy lives and families, it's a crime of the most serious order.

What incredible scumbags.

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