Aloha Tulsi

Drops out. Endorses Joementia.

Ed? You OK?

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Raggedy Ann's picture

They got to you, too? Thought you had more character than that, but you let me down. Guess I shouldn't be surprised.

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"The secret of change is to focus all your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new." Socrates (469-399 BC)

That shit is funny, I don't care what anyone says. As far as Tulsi is concerned I'm not really that surprised.

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@pro left
keep in mind that a young or new politician is a work in progress and only time will reveal who they really are. That said, there weren't any clues that Tulsi would fold to this degree; so, I'm surprised.

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@pro left She was always a huge question mark except on war and unless we're in the middle of a huge war going south that isn't going to earn many votes.

Her skewering of Harris was priceless, though but I think that mostly Harris shot herself in the for when trying to hit back. Too bad Gabbard didn't do a decent job on Lying Joe!? On the other hand it's hard to stop a zombie.

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@MinuteMan He voted for the war in Iraq, but Tulsi only responded with crickets.
But for what it's worth, she set Tim Ryan straight. lol

Tulsi is a bit too chummy with that Trump-loving ethnic cleanser Narendra Modi for my taste, anyway. Loose cannons gotta do what loose cannons gotta do, I guess.

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@pro left Surprised. Yes. Disappointed. Yes. Saying straight-faced that JoJo cares about America? That part got me mad. I don't like getting mad but bullshit is bullshit, no matter who offers it. If there is a good reason for this move, I am open to hearing it, but...

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@Alligator Ed

quietly, when Kerry came out and said anyone who didn't support bombing the shit out of Syria lacked a moral compass.

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@Alligator Ed

OK, here's as good an excuse as any:

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@Wally It always knows . . .

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@Alligator Ed

I don't like getting mad but bullshit is bullshit, no matter who offers it.

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@pro left Much earlier I even donated a small amount to her campaign...but kept my ear to the ground. I was listening to Jimmy Dore and that crew praising her to the highest levels...and since I like Jimmy and his crew, I paid attention to his advice instead of listening to my radar. But yeah, I was not really surprised, but I was really disappointed.

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Well done is better than well said-Ben Franklin

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

@TheOtherMaven
On major or important matters that reveal character and/or true political orientation, voters shouldn't cut politicians any slack for getting it wrong. I haven't been unforgiving enough.

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@Marie
supporters/voters expected of her? If so, then I was even outnumbered there.

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@Marie

Also, is this what Tulsi's
supporters/voters expected of her?

Read the comments on youtube for this video. They're better than the video itself.

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Is it great yet?

@Jen
(have no interest in viewing her video because I have an autonomic gag reflex to liars)
The comments there make me feel a bit better. Looks as if Tulsi has lost all of her supporters, funders, and voters, and they aren't coming back.

A sample:

Christopher Brunner:
Imagine basing your whole campaign on ending regime change wars and then ending it by endorsing the man who voted for the Iraq War instead of standing on her principles and endorsing the person who voted AGAINST regome change wars

Dash Secret
Tulsi: "I will do everything I can to stop these shameful regime change wars."
Tulsi: "I now completely support one of the principle architects of America's shameful regime change wars."
Tulsi: "Why don't you all love me anymore?"

Okay, a few are saying that Sanders is weak on regime change wars, etc. True enough but he has a long track record of voting no on them when the chips are down.

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@Marie

so that is who Tulsi endorses after talking about how bad they are? Jesus on a cracker give me and effing break, Tulsi. Hondorus, Syria and Ukraine and endorsing the regime change in Egypt.

Plus there is that heinous genocidal war in Yemen that MyBoss got us into.

Yeah I am not seeing how the hell Tulsi can square this with her rhetoric from the last year.

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"I will be the best, the best, you know, you know the thing!”
- Joe Biden

Grope and Hope

@snoopydawg
but blowing off her tiny support base in favor of whatever she has gotten was worth the price to her.

Will have to check the next library book sale (postponed at the moment) for a cheap copy of Marlowe's Dr. Faustus or Goethe's Faust and send it to her. (She's not worth buying a new copy for.)

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@Marie

Goethe's Faust eventually managed to redeem himself.

Or you could send her a recording of Gounod's Faust....

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@snoopydawg

Tulsi Gabbard lost her political future & moral high ground with Biden-2020 endorsement

Hawaii congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard has dropped out of the 2020 presidential race to endorse her ideological opposite, establishment darling Joe Biden. It's political suicide – for her, and for the idea of a progressive Democrat.

But while swearing fealty to the presumed nominee may have scored her some points among her establishment critics, most had a clear ulterior motive, using her exit as further leverage to pressure Sanders to drop out.

At the same time, Gabbard's erstwhile supporters feel betrayed, and justifiably so. A candidate who built her campaign on opposition to the business-as-usual Democratic policies of cloaking foreign military intervention in humanitarian jargon, Gabbard instead called for taking the trillions spent on the slaughter and plunder of hopelessly-outmatched Middle Eastern nations and using that money to rebuild the crumbling American homeland. It was a message that resonated across the partisan divide, even attracting some disillusioned 2016 Trump supporters who had voted for the president based on his promise to end the endless wars in Syria and Afghanistan, then watched in horror as he stepped up the bombing and tried to open another front in Iran.

It's no surprise they aren't taking it well. How are voters supposed to trust any future “progressive” candidates after such turncoat maneuvers from not only Gabbard but Sanders, who in 2016 turned on a dime to stump for establishment pick Hillary Clinton after a coterie of unelected superdelegates declared her the winner following a primary process which leaked emails revealed beyond a shadow of a doubt to be rigged? Gabbard's political seppuku should force progressive Democrats to come to terms with the fact that there is no room for reform within their party.

Oh I think we have gotten the message that the democrat party cannot be reformed from the inside. But what is

It is shear insanity to think that Biden will do a tinker's damn for the 99% and especially since he spent 8 years in the MyBoss administration that didn't do a tinker's damn for us.

So now the next step is how to take the DP down and find a way to get a real opposition party up. This has been tried for generations and I have no ideas for how to do it. Remember Eugene Debs got to run for president from prison. The FBI has admitted to keeping progressives out of the DP. Fine. You don't want us? Good luck.

Saagar makes great point in this video. Turning the country back to the people who set up this economy is shear insanity. I agree.

Joe Manchin doesn't want to burden future generations with a bailout that many desperately need. You know, Manchin the democrat who votes with repubs more than he does dems just like he did yesterday.

I am off for my walk in the rain with my lil bud, Charlie. Have a great day folks. Stay well.

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"I will be the best, the best, you know, you know the thing!”
- Joe Biden

Grope and Hope

@snoopydawg
But leftists -- young and old -- would be better served by taking some deep breaths and holding our fire (other than to say that "Tulsi is dead to me") to regroup. The "I will never vote again" just plays into "their hand" and has no real world impact.

A vote for Bernie in the remaining primaries isn't wasted. Being adults and absent a black swan, we know Bernie won't win the nomination. What his voters and supporters expect (and have paid for) is for him to carry on through the formal nomination of the DP candidate. After that, we know he will endorse the nominee because that was a precondition for him being allowed to run at all. Still better that he tried and failed instead of not running at all.

It's at that point, when Bernie ceases to be relevant, and when collectively Bernie's supporters (Bernie will be irrelevant) will have maximum power. The open question is how to use it.

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@Marie

It's at that point, when Bernie ceases to be relevant, and when collectively Bernie's supporters (Bernie will be irrelevant) will have maximum power. The open question is how to use it.

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@snoopydawg
but in the end Bernie was more true to The Left.

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@gjohnsit yes. Easily.

But Tulsi was to his left on FP, easily.

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@wokkamile @wokkamile And it is, admittedly, one of the reasons I couldn't get on board with her.
What is up with her support of Modi in India? Yeah, I get it she is Hindu. But, I'm sorry, that should not, in my opinion, mean support for the Indian government's take down in Kashmir or their violent anti-muslim stance. Bernie can be Jewish and support the Palestinian cause. Tell me what I'm missing.

Edit to add: this is not necessarily directed at you wokamile, it is just a question that I've had for weeks off and on. Your comment on "FP" here just lead me to finally ask the universe: what's up with that...

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@peachcreek up to date on Tulsi and Modi, but I wonder if much of that "support" by her is a bit overblown, something like the way her critics greatly misread and misinterpret her meeting with Assad.

If she had appeared with Modi on stage when he visited the US and TX recently for that big rally in Houston, that would have been a major problem for me. Probably the end of our passionate relationship. But it never came to that, happily.

Beyond that, I suspect Tulsi has made public statements in favor of non-discriminatory treatment of all people in India, and elsewhere. Generally as I understand her public stances, she has been consistent, at least in recent years, in respecting all types of human differences. A truly good person, iow, who has evolved like many of us and sees things differently now including taking some fierce independent stances. I understand her -- I too am usually not seen marching in lockstep.

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@snoopydawg I really wanted an anti-war voice in the debates, but she refused to provide it. Bernie came close. Even Marianne Williamson, though not qualified to be president, made some darned good debate points. And she could also bring herself to endorse Bernie.

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@Jen

They must have been brutal.

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@TheOtherMaven
deservedly so, and not as many 'splainers and forgivers as here at C99.

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@Jen

meant erasing all previous comments. Well, well.

So you don't like people's reactions to this, PTB.

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Bernie better not drop out.

He wants our opinions . . . so everyone write him please . . . plan@berniesanders.com

We need a progressive voice out there to keep shouting.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

@mhagle

I told Bernie that the NUMBER 1 thing he can do in terms of his excellent plan outline is stay in the race in order to keep the party and the media focused on him. I told them that I did not trust Trump (although the latest version of socialist Trump is interesting), The Democratic Party (because of their paltry proposals in the House to remedy our situation and their blatant disregard for public safety with those primaries the other day) and most of all Joe Biden because of his constant lying.

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@mhagle And campaign with him, like he did with Her Heinous.

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@mhagle
Dear Senator Sanders,

Now that Tulsi Gabbard has capitulated to the military-industrial hegemony you are the only hope we have. There are plenty of us who will NOT vote blue no matter who. The Democratic Party has forfeited any claim on our votes. Just to put this in perspective: I’m 84 and completely disgusted with US politicians. Stay in the race and make their lives miserable. What have you got to lose? Realistically, this campaign is your last chance and maybe ours as well. Don’t support the Democratic candidate either; their electoral cheating has absolved you of any reason to support them.

Thanks for the try,

Bob Poulsen

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@polkageist

          I sent this a few minutes ago:

plan@berniesanders.com

I have been told this address will get a message to someone that will actually read and consider these comments:

As you know Tulsi Gabbard has thrown us under the bus.

People are speculating when (Not If) Bernie will do the same.

Is Bernie planning to conceded to Joe Biden and let the DNC crowd have it their way?

I plan to vote "Bernie Sanders" even if I have to do so as a write in. But if he throws us under the bus I will do so while cursing.

Robert I. Price
Medford, Oregon

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@polkageist It was very clear when he said that he believed that Biden could beat Trump and the fact he refused to attack Biden in the last debate.

When Bernie endorses Biden, then what? Will people here attack him as hard as they have Tulsi? The Democratic party operates like the Mafia. It is nearly impossible to go against the DNC. Tulsi found that out after 2016 when two highly placed donors sent her a letter which basically threatened her with political extinction.

Further Tulsi first volunteered to endorse Bernie but the Sanders campaign turned her down. It was after being turned down by Bernie that Tulsi endorsed Biden. This news of this has just come out today. While I still do not support her endorsement of Biden, it might explain why she heaped praise on Biden while doing it. Tulsi's older brother Jai posted his frustration with the Sanders campaign on Facebook.

While I am still in mourning over Tulsi's endorsement, I am starting to understand that there is probably far more behind her decision than appears right now.

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@mhagle
and do whatever the F*ck he wants.
He's approaching the end of his career.
He won't be running for prez again and he has nothing to prove to anyone.

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@gjohnsit Bernie is in a stronger position now to negotiate with the Biden camp on the campaign platform and maybe a few personnel matters in a Biden admin, as Joe might prefer he drop out now/very soon in order to clear the decks and have more time to build party unity. More leverage now could disappear if Sanders decides to ride the train to the end of the line.

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@wokkamile @wokkamile

C'Mon. You've been around long enough to know the Dems will never follow through on any 'concessions' anyway. All just dry fig leaves that will disintegrate in the cold November winds regardless of who wins.

Besides, we've got a new party to build and every primary state still left to vote deserves to know why.

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@wokkamile

More leverage now could disappear if Sanders decides to ride the train to the end of the line.

How did that work in 2016?
Bernie will never get the Dems to do anything willingly.

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@gjohnsit

that Bernie suggests, they manipulate it and distort it, so that it benefits them. Example: changing the DNC rules regarding superdelegates.

Bernie will never get the Dems to do anything willingly.l

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@wokkamile

          I really wish progressives would have a firmer grip on (good old fashion Red Pill) reality, and stop with the "Rose Colored Glasses" bullshit.

          We can have an effect, I KNOW HOW, god damn it!! The first step is to scrap the scales from your eyes and see the situation for what it really is …

RIP

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@PriceRip

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--Q

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--Doug Hatlem

@PriceRip more leverage with Biden than now -- not after he slogs on uselessly for a few more months, as few pay any attention.

Here is Krystal Ball also endorsing the idea of Bernie dropping out -- but she has a nifty idea of how Bernie can best use his leverage and time and influence right now:

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@wokkamile @wokkamile

I've seen how they negotiate.

Meteor Blades once told me it was easier to keep politicians at the table if you were nice to them (I don't remember his exact words).

I told him I was only "at the table" with Barack Obama in the sense of asking him whether he wants the tilapia or the mahi-mahi.

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--Q

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--Doug Hatlem

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She's not going to be in the House any more. Perhaps she has some future run in mind and wants establishment backing.

I bet they "forgive" her and let her back in.

But it sure leaves Bernie all alone out there.

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@Shahryar
asked her to be his VP. lol

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@Raggedy Ann
Not that she'd get such an offer. (and she'd have to get in line behind Amy.)

Perhaps, something more like a gig on The View or ten million bucks from Bloomie to be Biden's campaign caregiver. The what doesn't really matter; she sold her soul.

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@Marie
like head of the VA. assistant SecDef for whatever
Something like that.

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@Raggedy Ann but in his case it is probably more forgetfulness than dishonesty. However, he is dishonest enough to do it if his memory were intact.

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@Roy Blakeley
Pleasantry

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@Raggedy Ann but I think that carrot was held out to more than one erstwhile candidate in the mass consolidation of candidate support for Biden before Super Tuesday.

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@Shahryar

Perhaps she has some future run in mind and wants establishment backing.

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this announcement. If that is the case, the Dem establishment will keep Tulsi on a short lease.

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@karl pearson

keep Tulsi on a short lease

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@Marie @karl pearson but she will never get it unless she completely sells out.

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@Shahryar

is the idea. There is a fever pitch out there for him to drop out.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@Anja Geitz . That would really hurt. She was undoubtedly hurt by his completely ignoring her, one of the inexplicable things about Bernie, but she of course would understand what Bernie stands for and what kind of people his supporters are (maybe, just maybe, the very best that is in this country). Why slap us in the face?

She said she will explain later, and I'll await her explanation.

It's possible that the DNC's agreement with its candidates sets dire punishments for anyone who breaks it, since no one dares to. Truly, this country needs a party that operates honestly with good faith and represents the people, not the corporations.

How much more bad news can there be? It's gotten pretty thick as is.

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@Shahryar or maybe a cabinet post? Doesn't really matter.

What matters to Tulsi is that after her rebellion against Hillary in 2016, a truce has now been declared, Tulsi's done her penance by endorsing Biden, and has now been welcomed back into the Dem Establishment fold.

At the end of the day, Major Tulsi is still an institutionalist at heart. Unlike Bernie, she's not built for life outside the embrace of the system.

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@Not Henry Kissinger she's made of sterner stuff. I don't see this one as weakness or capitulation, but a) seeing the reality of the C19 situation and b) fulfilling her pledge to support the D nominee. technically that only occurs at the convention, but the race is effectively over now, has been for days. And there will be no more meaningful campaigning for a good while.

Meanwhile, why not use this time of maximum leverage, however small it is, to perhaps get something worthwhile on the other side, or be in a better position to do so. Waiting until July, for Bernie or Tulsi, is not very smart.

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@wokkamile

She could have simply pulled a Warren and dropped out without endorsing until the nominee is actually crowned - whoever that may be.

The only reason Tulsi is endorsing Joe right now is to pile on with the rest of the DNC gang trying to bum's rush Bernie out the door.

For adding her knife to that party, Tulsi deserves all the scorn she gets.

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@Not Henry Kissinger perspective, Tulsi dropping out and endorsing him is a benefit, even if not a major one as it comes from a 2% candidate. And it's much more of a benefit now, as he would seek to try to unify the party, clear the decks and concentrate on the fall election, than an endorsement at the convention.

On a personal and practical basis, Tulsi may have strongly factored in the C19 crisis and how it rendered moot any further campaigning, even the strictly online type. Voters are tuned out, have put Biden down in ink as the nominee, and are focusing their attention on coping with the C19 shakeup of their world, including financial.

Further, as a current member of the NG, she may well anticipate very soon being called up to serve, and for more than just two weeks.

In any case, the primary season is over -- we are only waiting for better party leadership to call for postponing the remaining primary contests to late May/June, and the public has moved off of politics as more existential threats emerge. Under these crisis circumstances, she has only moved up her timetable of endorsement, and used it to optimal effect.

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@wokkamile

There's no leverage in quitting. None whatsoever.

Leverage is staying in and making the bastards be seen to rig every fucking state in the Union.

Leverage is plowing through to the convention with as many delegates as you can and forcing a floor fight.

Leverage is being willing to walk out with those delegates and start a nationwide third party.

Now do I think Bernie will do any of that? No.

But THAT's how you get leverage. Not by bending the knee when we're not even halfway through the primaries.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger and there's a time to realize the fight is over. Neither Tulsi nor Bernie was ever going to use any delegate leverage to threaten a walkout or leave to form a 3d party. Sounds revolutionary and principled in online discussions, but it won't be happening out there in RL.

Bernie, who's actually an official member of Dem leadership in the senate, was never the revolutionary some of his campaign slogans would suggest, and he's not likely at all to want to create too many headaches for his "good friend" Joe Biden. And I think it's clear Tulsi still wants a political future playing an important role working within the party system.

Going 3d party is easier said than done, and it usually ends up being easier to lose and become politically irrelevant that way.

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@wokkamile @wokkamile @wokkamile

And you want to lecture me about the real world?

Despite all your smug condescension and premature victory lapping, we out here in the actual real world still see a corrupt and sclerotic party with no vision and no bench that needs to hold elections during pandemics to suppress enough votes to make it close enough to rig the vote totals for a Reaganite troglodyte who can't string two sentences together.

If you think Berners are going to vote for that, regardless of what Bernie decides to do, you're more out of it than Joe is.

Going 3d party is easier said than done, and it usually ends up being easier to lose and become politically irrelevant that way.

You seriously don't think a Bernie party can pull 5% in every state to qualify for 3rd party status? That truly is blissful thinking.

Seems to me the Dem's only chance right now is to hope Bernie DOESN'T decide to go third party. Because if he does you might as well start brushing up on your Whig history.

So by all means keep telling yourself the fight is over, and you won. Because whatever the final outcome of these sham primaries, out here in the real world the Democratic party establishment has ALREADY lost.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

in the clutch, people now have more to fight for
and against
focus

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May we be united and strong -- laurel

@Not Henry Kissinger the nomination is over, which some here are refusing to acknowledge. Fighting on for Bernie (or Tulsi) at this point would be a meaningless exercise. And a 3d party from the left would only guarantee Trump a 2d term, which effort the GOP will likely be heavily invested in and actively encouraging.

Neither of my preferred candidates won. The establishment wing, using their considerable resources and enlisting the help of a willing MSM, has convinced voters that Biden will do, and then a large bandwagon effect set in. Stating such facts does not imply approval of how this played out.

And I've always been clear I have never been emotionally attached to any one candidate, as many here seem to be. I've criticized both Tulsi and Bernie at various times, as I have never been a cheerleader poster. But they were always in my top 2.

As for the rest, I don't set out to lecture anyone, nor tiptoe around lest I never offend the most sensitive. But I did feel it important to offer another perspective which hadn't been heard much as 99% of the posters took one side.

But I do take small comfort in knowing my minority view (among left online progs) is generally shared by at least one other here, as well as quality analysts like Michael Tracey (on TG) and Krystal Ball (on Bernie). Small company in number, but quality.

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@wokkamile @wokkamile

Sorry, but did I miss the part where they held the convention yet? Or where they officially cancelled the primaries for half the states remaining? Or where Joe Biden got a brain transplant?

What you also seem incapable of grasping about insurgency candidacies is that the fight IS the goal, the outcome is secondary. As long as we keep fighting, we continue to weaken the Dem establishment bosses rigging our democracy, which at this point is far more important to many of us than beating Trump ever will be.

Then again, maybe you do grasp that, which is why you are doing your part for the gaslighting crowd trying to demoralize us with premature claims of rigged victory?

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger

but still
there is a chance we can wrest this insanity
in a way that helps our cause

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@Not Henry Kissinger the Left has been so ineffective and usually irrelevant to date -- thinking the goal is just the fight. Maybe they should begin thinking of the goal in terms of a more important outcome -- like winning.

And winning is what is going to get the attention of party bosses, not the noble good fight.

The primary contest is effectively over, and that's apparent to all with eyes to see. The remaining state primaries will be mere exercises in counting a less than impressive number of votes, as people concentrate on more important matters directly related to their survival.

Last post in this exchange -- your tone is getting too personal and the anger is palpable.

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@wokkamile

Rules say 1991 needed for the Dem nomination.

We cancel the remaining primaries, nobody qualifies - even with all the super delegates voting for Joe.

So what now?

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@Not Henry Kissinger

whoever they please.

That will not be Bernie, may not be Biden, could be someone who sat on their ass through the whole disaster (like H. Rodent Clinton).

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@TheOtherMaven

But the point is to make them steal it. And to be seen to do so.

If the Dems can't run a honest game, they need to be called out. Capitulating, especially now, simply rewards their criminal behavior and harms the movement in the process.

Tell you the truth, I'm not actually too concerned about Bernie dropping out right now. But it is kinda fun to watch the bum's rushers throwing the kitchen sink at Bernie because they know time is not on Biden's side.

Throwing Tusli at Bernie now is a sign of desperation far more than electoral strength. The irony is that they think it will help push Bernie over the edge but all its doing is further galvanizing his support.

Besides, all this faux party unity around Joe Biden won't last, nor perhaps will Joe himself.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger … where the candidates were asked a "gotcha" horse race question, i.e., if one candidate has a plurality but not a majority of delegates, should that person automatically become the nominee? Well, at the time Bernie was ahead, so everyone said no, except for Bernie, who said yes. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, if Bernie stays in, TPTB are going to bring up the sound bite from the debate to make Bernie look like a liar and hypocrite. So, honestly, I expect Bernie to bow out before the convention, possibly within the next week, citing Biden's massive lead, the coronavirus pandemic, and the desire to unify the party to defeat Trump.

And, frankly, at this point, given all that's happened in just the past four days, I've changed my view on the relative electability of Biden or Bernie vs Trump. This upcoming election is going to be a referendum on Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, and the resulting economic fallout. In that case, the name at the top of Dem ticket isn't really going to matter very much.

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but what is the point of endorsing Biden? She is not running for re-election, and the Democratic party wouldn't piss in her face if she was dying of thirst. I can't see any current or prospective reason for endorsing Biden and she can't be stupid enough to think Biden would actually be a decent President. Can she? She campaigned against regime-change wars and Biden has to be in the top 10 cheerleaders for invading someone, anyone. With McCain gone he may be in the top 5 war cheerleaders. She should have just announced the suspension of her campaign, thanked everyone for their support, and gone surfing.

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@Roy Blakeley

with the dnc to allow her to run under their banner.
may be more of a gentleman's agreement than a
legal contract but
not sure if anyone has challenged that
but the dnc has given recorded notice that they
operate under different rules

hope she comes back strongly in another venue

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@QMS

Biden is currently not the nominee.

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@Shahryar

futures depend on biden to exhume
the dnc nomination
their ferris wheels are not
dependent on dementia joe's
merry go round
it is a circus after all

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@QMS

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@QMS

brings to mind this ...

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Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl

@laurel

just in for a ride

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@QMS

recommended Airborne (if I'm mixed up, please, disregard). Finally, got some yesterday. Just what the doctor ordered, for me and Mr M, with our compromised immune systems.

So, thanks!

Pleasantry

Mollie

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”
~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

“Love makes you stronger, so that you can reach out and become involved with life in ways you dared not risk alone.”
~~Author Unknown, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD) Website

“In a world where you can be anything–be kind.”
~~Author Unknown

“I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me, they are the role model for being alive.”
~~Gilda Radner, Comedienne

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

@Unabashed Liberal

trying to take one a day for breakfast
feels good going down
keeping the sniffles at bay
good luck

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@QMS

Mollie

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.”
~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

@QMS @QMS

hope she comes back strongly in another venue

She no longer has any credibility with me, and I'd like my money back for her false advertising.

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@Marie
Apparently I have a lot of company with those that want their donations back.

Can't recall another politician in the past fifty years that in one single move stabbed small donors in the back the way Tulsi did today.

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@Marie

come on folks, it's in the contract
genuflect to the masters
sign here

Tulsi will come back
as will Bernie after this
circus has eroded to it's
intended demise

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@QMS
stabbed them in the back in 2016 isn't an adult. He was always honest about that condition for his run as a Democrat. Same holds true this time. If he ran out of campaign funds, suspending his campaign was also acceptable. What's not acceptable is to drop out or suspend and endorse during the primary cycle the candidate that stands for everything his/her supporters rejected. To go into the convention with whatever paltry amount of power that one has earned and be a voice. Bernie did that in '16.

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@Marie The DNC cheated him out of the nomination and thus breached their contract. He absolutely knew it. He still went along.
He set the example. Take it up the ass for Team Blue. I do not find that honorable, and that is why I didn't contribute a red cent to him this time. The DNC did it again, he will take it up the ass again.
Not a life lesson I intend to implement into mine To accept a cheat, an outright theft, and BRAG about the spectacular cheats and thieves is NOT RATIONAL ADULT BEHAVIOR.
Tulsi just did the same damn thing.
Cooperating victims.
He disappointed me.
I never particularly liked Tulsi.
Glad they are both getting out of office soon.

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