03/11 Open Thread: Fukushima

Shiva's Dance - Creation and Destruction
~~ Shiva's Dance

Pictured above is Shiva. Oppenheimer is famously quoted as saying:

That was, of course, a reference to the Atomic Bomb, still a threat to humanity's survival due to the madness of various human war mongers, but that is not why it is up there.

Nukes are also a threat when used in "perfectly safe" power plants to produce electricity "too cheap to meter" How much cumulative radwaste and radioactive pollution the global system can handle is anybody's guess, but humans do seem determined to find out. An earthquake on this date in 2011 triggered a tsunami which, along with the quake itself, caused the second largest nuclear accident in world history. The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant disaster has still not been fully sorted out.

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On this day in history:

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1702 – The Daily Courant, England's first national daily newspaper, was first published

1845 – Unhappy with translational differences regarding the Treaty of Waitangi, chiefs Hōne Heke, Kawiti and Māori tribe members chopped down the British flagpole for a fourth time and drove settlers out of Kororāreka, New Zealand.

1851 – The first performance of Rigoletto by Giuseppe Verdi

1872 – Construction of the Seven Sisters Colliery, South Wales, begans

1888 – The Great Blizzard of 1888 began

1917 – Baghdad fell to Anglo-Indian forces. Oil Fields were involved.

1941 – Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Lend-Lease Act into law.

1981 – Hundreds of students protested in the University of Pristina in Kosovo

1985 – Mikhail Gorbachev was elected General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union

2003 – The International Criminal Court held its inaugural session in The Hague.

2011 – A 9.0 earthquake hit 130 km (81 mi) east of Sendai, Japan, triggering a tsunami killing thousands of people. This event also triggered the second largest nuclear accident in history, and one of only two events to be classified as a Level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale.

2012 – A U.S. soldier killed 16 civilians in the Panjwayi District of Afghanistan near Kandahar. Why this particular killing of Afghans is noteworthy is a mystery. Perhaps because the soldier was court martialled?

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Some people who were born on this day:

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

~~ Ralph Abernathy

1811 – Urbain Le Verrier, mathematician and astronomer, predicted Neptune from the math
1822 – Joseph Louis François Bertrand, mathematician, economist, and academic
1870 – Louis Bachelier, mathematician and theorist
1876 – Carl Ruggles, composer and painter
1885 – Malcolm Campbell, race car driver
1890 – Vannevar Bush, engineer, bureaucrat, and academic
1893 – Wanda Gág, author and illustrator
1897 – Henry Cowell, pianist and composer
1915 – J. C. R. Licklider, computer scientist and psychologist
1920 – Nicolaas Bloembergen, physicist and academic,
1921 – Astor Piazzolla, tango composer and bandoneon player

1925 – Margaret Oakley Dayhoff, biochemist and academic

1926 – Ralph Abernathy, minister and activist
1927 – Freda Meissner-Blau, activist and politician
1927 – Josep Maria Subirachs, sculptor and painter
1932 – Leroy Jenkins, violinist and composer
1934 – Sam Donaldson, journalist
1945 – Dock Ellis, baseball player and coach
1945 – Harvey Mandel, guitarist
1950 – Bobby McFerrin, singer, songwriter, producer, and conductor
1952 - Douglas Adams, hitchhiker
1953 – Jimmy Iovine, record producer and businessman

1953 – Bernie LaBarge, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1955 – Nina Hagen, singer, songwriter
1957 – Qasem Soleimani, Iranian commander murdered by the US military
1968 – Lisa Loeb, singer and songwriter
1969 – Soraya, singer, songwriter, guitarist, and producer
1981 – LeToya Luckett, singer, songwriter and actress

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Some people who died on this day:

... and if any conclusion was reached, it was that there are no simple lessons in history, that it is human nature that repeats itself, not history.”

~~ John Toland

1602 – Emilio de' Cavalieri, organist and composer
1722 – John Toland, philosopher and theorist
1955 – Alexander Fleming, biologist, pharmacologist, and botanist

1957 – Richard E. Byrd, admiral and explorer
1959 – Lester Dent, author (Doc Savage)
1960 – Roy Chapman Andrews, paleontologist and explorer
1971 – Philo Farnsworth, inventor
1971 – Whitney Young, activist
1986 – Sonny Terry, singer and harmonica player
2015 – Jimmy Greenspoon, singer, songwriter and keyboard player

2016 – Doreen Massey, geographer and political activist
2021 – Ray Campi, rockabilly singer and musician

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Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:

World Day of Muslim Culture, Peace, Dialogue and Film
The start of Ramadan
Worship of Tools Day
National Eat Your Noodles Day
Natonal 311 Day

It is also Debunking Day (since 2006), but that sounds like BS to me. If you only debunk the horrible daily outpouring of lies and misrepresentatons once a year you probably really shouldn't waste your time or anybody else's.

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Today's Tunes

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Malcolm Campbell

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Henry Cowell

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Astor Piazzolla

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Leroy Jenkins

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Doc Ellis No-Hitter

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Harvey Mandel

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Bobby McFerrin

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Douglas Adams

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Bernie LaBarge

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Nina Hagen

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Lisa Loeb

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Soraya

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LeToya Luckett

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Philo Farnsworth

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Sonny Terry

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Jimmy Greenspoon

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Ray Campi

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Bonue Harvey Mandel

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Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. So what's on your mind?

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Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com

open thread, Fukushima, Philo Farnsworth, Sonny Terry, Douglas Adams, Bobby McFerrin, Harvey Mandel, Doc Ellis, Malcolm Campbell

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Well, first off, the "boots on the ground" thing, the one Macron is pushing for in Ukraine, is just another example of neoliberals "threatening" us with something that's already happened.

(As a side note, the ongoing example of this is the standard Democratic Party mythology of the horrors of a second Trump term. Everyone remembers the first Trump term. Trump was and is super-lazy, hiding his incompetence behind bravado; given the shadow government's hatred of Trump, a second Trump term would likely give us more attempts to destroy Trump. Oh and the Supreme Court is likely to continue on its path of denying us rights.)

As I was saying, if we are being "threatened" with boots on the ground, that means there are already boots on the ground. Will this reality lead to a new one? Simplicius thinks not:

NATO has threatened almost every single one of these actions for years—like the infamous “300k rapid deployment force on Russia’s border!”—without any of it coming to fruition because the actual initiatives turn to vapor under the scrutiny of how much it would all cost, and what titanic effort it would actually take. In reality, NATO can be said to be getting weaker by the year, with constant cuts to forces all across the board. So will the latest threats of buildups pan out? Probably not, as NATO stands slightly better chance to collapse than reinvent itself as a superpower, in my estimations.

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@Cassiodorus

ever more and more terrorism is a measure of the reality of NATO's threats. It all calls to mind the Rus war room scene from "Billion Dollar Brain".

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...but noooo. Instead prevent Palestinians access to their mosque, as the genocide continues. What a sad state of affairs.

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@Lookout

proverbial carrot on a stick, sort of reminiscent of the perpetual and perpetually unfulfilled Democratic part promise to make abortion rights the law of the land.

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@enhydra lutris
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words back atcha --

the Demo way is not to fulfill
expectations or promises

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the data-crunching to follow the progress of the Fukushima debris plume as it blew across the country on the breeze. I did this by gathering the data from the EPA RadNet monitoring sites, as well as the NOAA for weather data. It was far easier to detect the plume’s presence during a precipitation event, of course.

I have my new monitoring setup going, and I’m following the solar flares as we get going in the current solar max. And I’m always on the lookout for anything else that blows by, just in case the ukronazis decide to blow up the Zaporihzhia NPP. Or something more permanent, should I not be vaporized at the outset…

Here’s a trip through the wayback machine. Sorry for you folks east of the Mississipp: being in Colorado, I ran out of energy after KC… (;-)

https://ibb.co/W5ZM90R

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@usefewersyllables
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good to know
someone is keeping tabs
thanks for keeping us in the loop

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I did all that to win a bet- a person insisted that, if they’d had a Geiger counter, it would have *pegged* as the plume went by. I pointed out that no, it wouldn’t, and so the bet was on. They were none too pleased to have to buy me that drink.

It was detectable, but wasn’t profound- at least not in the continental US. The noble gases like 135Xe, and the gaseous 131I had largely decayed by the time the plume made it across the Pacific. The other stuff was still there, suspended in the air just waiting to be rained-out- but even that was relatively transitory.

I wish that RadNet had been installed and operating for Chernobyl in ‘86, but that event predated it: the first RadNet sites didn’t come fully online until 1988. That was a much, much dirtier event. Anyway, my statistical methods have improved since then, as well as the raw detection capabilities of my rig- so I’ll just keep watching until there’s another beer to be won…

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@usefewersyllables
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not much up on it
concerned the Fukushima melt
is more effecting the oceans
due to their methods of release

may take longer to record as water is
denser than air

still out there in one way, shape or form
not distilled in our lifetime

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@QMS

because the level of 137Cs in our hay really was higher that year. It was always high, though, because this part of Colorado got thoroughly rained out on during the years of aboveground testing at the Nevada Test Site, and that stuff lasts a long, long time.

The really amusing thing was to measure the 137Cs in nori right after the initial explosions. It took some hours in the spectrometer to see it, but there it was.

They say that “The solution to pollution is dilution”. I beg to differ: the solution is not to pollute to begin with. We humans have really wounded Mother Ocean during our cold-war stupidity.

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@usefewersyllables
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for far too long. It is effecting the life below the surface
Dissolving toxins into a solution protracts them, causing
further damage to the ecosystem in the long term

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@QMS

though somewhat sobering (so to speak), courtesy of the French government, tracking the concentration of 137Cs in their wines over the course of the Cold War. Definite food for thought.

https://i.ibb.co/5nJnjQB/image.png

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@usefewersyllables

ones all all aged out by now, but some of those long-lived Burgundies might still be around.

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@QMS Hi Capt.!

Yeah but out of sight, out of mind. Pretty hard to beat...

We have no clue what we are doing to the seas using them as a disposal site for everything. Rivers too. We treat waterways like sewers.

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@dystopian @dystopian

Roll On, roll on Monongahela,
Where the catfish and the carp left long ago.
You used to be so pure,
But now you're just a sewer,
You're messing up the Gulf of Mexico.

be well and have a good one

edit: put blockquote markers around blockquote

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know the source?

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@QMS

be well and have a good one

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@QMS

and sunk in mother ocean long ago that is just now starting to be realeased by the long term degradation of the containers, no telling what's in store for parts of the pacific nearshore come mañana.

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@enhydra lutris

of the Navy dumping bargeloads of waste off the Farallons. They were "sealed" in the regular government-issue 55-gallon yellow or white drums with the radioactive trefoil. And most of them sank right away.

And the ones that didn't sink right away? They simply shot them full of holes until they did sink. Simple problem, simple solution...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Farallon_nuclear_was...

Not a fan. But it could be worse: there are places in the Sea of Okhotsk, or the Barents and Kara Seas, or around Novaya Zemla, when the Russian navy used to dump the used fuel rods from their submarine reactors. Not in containers, mind you- they just dumped them right out the bottom of the extraction tool directly into the sea, naked. There are other dumping zones where they routinely disposed of the entire reactor sections of decommissioned submarines- just chop the boat apart, scrap everything else, put the whole hot section onto a barge, and roll it over the side... Finally they tired of that game,and just started scuttling the whole boat.

https://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Soviet-nucle...

Man's inhumanity to the sea would appear to be boundless.

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@enhydra lutris

It was originally Montrose Chemical, which was et up by Monsanto, after the PV DDT dumping.

the DDT off of he Palos Verdes Peninsula, my old stomping ground, is just in 55 gal. steel drums, that are 50+ years old and starting to rust. Some already leaking. Most in the San Pedro Channel between the PVP and Catalina. Don't eat the bottom fish in the area. CA quit stocking fish in Harbor Pk. my old park and local patch, in the 70's due to the ddt levels. It was straight downstream from the old Montrose site up by Torrance.

And like you say, gawd knows how much of what is out there... An H-bomb for one lucky finder!

Take care!

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@usefewersyllables

results, as opposed to everybody's projections. Probability, now than San Onofre is shut down, says that the next one will be in the SE US, so beyond the offshore-onshore cycle, where does the normal prevailing wind take it?

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posting some observations with my data. The vast majority are really straightforward: the sky isn’t falling at this moment, any more than it always has. Observation of X-class solar flares are easy, and Homunculus Sapsucker has had the same things raining down upon they/them/it/us from the skies every 11 years- since before the first primordial slime mold developed a system of city and county government, and joined parties. It clearly all went to shit after that. But I digress… (;-)

More interesting, in some sense, is to compare what we have done unto ourselves to what the cosmos has intended for us. So there will be some observations of very little, by comparisons to the disasters: the things that are truly part of the normal ebb and flow of cosmic business. We don’t have a current emergent disaster, yet. But knowing what has always been there, and seeing it in higher resolution than was possible only a decade ago, gives me some semblance of peace.

Then, when we as a species do something really astoundingly brain-dead (as we are apparently wont to do), we can compare and contrast. For a moment, anyway. (;-)

For my part, I can now easily see the difference between a solar flare and a Radon rainout. And knowing in detail what is truly normal is key, when looking for that which might prove to be abnormal.

But your mileage will, of course, vary.

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la da da, la da da,

Hi all, Hey EL

Hope its good all over out there!

1952 - Douglas Adams, GALACTIC hitchhiker Smile

to get your tool jones on... click a 'family group', then scroll down the page and see all the hammers and mallets, or whatever, etc. https://periodictableoftools.com/index.html

best evah Chest Fever (3 dog) live with Jimmy Greenspoon 2 min. organ intro

Oops, sorry you'll have to click the link to youtub

There is a similar good version on the Live at the Forum album, also about 1970 or so. When Three Dog went psychedelic. One of the first dozen albums I owned, via Colombia Record Club. It came as an alternate choice as they were OUT of (or didn't want to send) American Beauty!

On another subject, admittedly not an intelligent one, about this AI crapola. My Berkeley buddy sends me these 'biospoilers', to share the brain hernias, which leave us alternately shaking our heads, pounding fists, and yelking at screen or sky...

I missed the U.S. Nat. Pk. with these though... Which US Nat. Pk. is this, all jungly with Tigers?
AI-screenshot-USNatPk-tiger.jpg

Apparently I have been doing winter bird attracting all wrong, as I've never got a Penguin to come in. though do suppose if I lived on an Antarctic ice shelf with a ready supply of smelt my odds would be higher?
AI-winter-bird-attracting.jpg

Here we will learn all about flowers for hummers in Mississippi, by showing an artificial feeder, and a western hummingbird species not found in MS escept as an extraordinary accidental.
AI-plants4hummers-in-MISS.jpg

There is nothing to worry about. We're going to be so much smarter with AI! /s

Thanks for the OT! Hope yer dryin' out! Love watching that snow stack up in the Sierras. The morning after everyone was stuck on Donner Pass, ms dys asked if I saw what happened, I said they were eating each other already. Wink

be well all!

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@dystopian
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with the organ solo, builds into something stronger

your perspectives make me chuckle Smile

thanks!

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@QMS love that tune ! Play the acoustic part sorta ok, can do the rhythm parts of the rest but have to cheeze my way thrugh the leads.... of course...

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@dystopian

I really love those AI posters. Great "periodic table", fwiw, my hammer collection would surprise you.

There are a couple of folks who had never heard but were sure they wouldn't like the Dead who really loved American Beauty, heh, "first one's free".

I always wanted to open a rib joint up on Donner Pass because, seriously, who could pass that up.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris GREAT idea EL!

There was a place here but it went out of biz... next valley over from us. Don't know why all the tourists didn't stop what with all the locals there.

It was called Todd's Roadkill Cafe. I regret not getting a pic of the sign.

With a name like that, you'd have thought it would have taken off... Wink

I'll be at yer rib joint soon as it opens...

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@Cassiodorus
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to just hang hang back
history is not always forgiving

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...The Express version of the story is to try to link this nuclear weapons development to NATO v. Russia developments.

NATO fighter jets get green light to carry nukes as tension with Russia soars

This appears to be the original source in Breaking Defense linked below. Yippee, new nuclear weapons!

AIR WARFARE, GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE: F-35A officially certified to carry nuclear bomb

The B-61-12 weapon is different from other gravity nukes because is a deep earth/bunker penetrating weapon. The implication is that the F-35A can fly stealthily and at supersonic speeds enroute to deliver a nuke.

F-35A weapon bays with 2 B61 nuclear bombs and 2 AIM-120 AMRAAM

The effective use of this weapon one time, could provoke a response resulting in the end of life on earth as we know it. What possible advantage could one hope to achieve with this new "innovation?" I originally entertained the notion that this was a decapitation weapon designed for North Korea with a "limited" capacity to retaliate. But they would retaliate. There exists the possibility such a retaliation by a relatively "weak" nuclear power like North Korea, might not result in world destruction, only destruction of the region. Use of "tactical" nuclear weapons against Russia in the Ukraine region or elsewhere, is extremely unlikely to be contained. So called "extended deterrence" is a psychological prop or tool, to reassure allies that we would use nuclear weapons to defend them. It is regarded as more important in this aspect, because of US allies perceiving a weakening US conventional deterrence.

Nuclear power policy to be major focus in parliament after Ishikawa quake

The controversial restart of nuclear power reactors is set to return to the spotlight in parliament, with opposition parties likely to step up their criticisms of the current evacuation plans in the event of a nuclear disaster.

"Not only roads but also houses, schools and other facilities were damaged by the (Noto Peninsula) earthquake. The evacuation plans force residents to do what is impossible," Yamazoe said.

In the quake, active faults moved jointly in an area spanning some 150 kilometers, wider than estimated by Hokuriku Electric, Yamazoe noted. "This shows the limits of nuclear plant safety inspections. Plans to restart idled nuclear reactors should be scrapped," he said.

After the earthquake, data from at least 18 monitoring posts to measure radiation levels around the Shika nuclear plant became unavailable.

The whole article is better than this excerpt above. Same for this Mari Yamuguchi article below.

13 years after meltdown, the head of Japan’s nuclear cleanup is probing mysteries inside reactors

Last month, the plant made its first drone flight into the worst-hit reactor, No. 1 reactor, to investigate the melted debris, but had to cancel a second day of exploration after a secondary robot that helped with data transmission failed.

“We are new to these things and sometimes encounter unanticipated mishaps on the ground. But they are all valuable lessons learned for our next steps,” Ono said.

Critics say the 30- to 40-year cleanup target set by the government and TEPCO is overly optimistic.

The lack of data, technology and plans on what to do with the fatally radioactive melted fuel and other nuclear waste at the end makes it difficult to have a clear view of how the plant complex and its surroundings may end up when the cleanup ends.

Thought this was revealing. This twitter "expert" who spreads a lot of bs about China, can't distinguish Chinese from Hangul (Korean). He has over a million followers:

For a while, I tried to keep up with Fukushima, radiation issues, and the like but I don't know enough. It doesn't get enough attention.

Thanks for the OT enhydra lutris.

p.s.

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@soryang

The US military and the MIC are everywhere spreading their propaganda.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4524332-bands-pull-out-sxsw-us-arm...

Multiple bands and musicians scheduled to perform at the South by Southwest (SXSW) festival are pulling out because of the U.S. Army’s “super sponsorship” of the event, and America’s ongoing support of Israel’s war on Hamas.

The Belfast, Ireland-based rap trio Kneecap — the most recent departure — called the relationship “depraved” in light of the war in Gaza.

“We cannot in good conscience attend an arts festival that has the U.S. Army as a ‘super sponsor’ and is platforming RTX (formerly Raytheon), Collins Aerospace and BAE Systems, the very companies selling the weapons that have murdered 31,000 Palestinians, over 21,000 of them women and children,” the group said in a statement on X, formerly known as Twitter.

Also too there is this:

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@humphrey We had the USAF Thunderbirds overhead a few weeks back for the Daytona 500 or whatever it was. Any mass audience is "targeted" so to speak for support. There are still Ukie flags up in the neighborhood. I feel as if I'm surrounded by war fever. "It's patriotic don't you know." An old right wing friend used to say this to me.

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@humphrey

for all the information you provided

be well and have a good one

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for all the information.

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I have a cousin in Dayton, TX, who operates a huge crawfish farm. Bet he is making out like a bandit, post Fukushima. Some friends of mine no longer eat anything from Gulf waters. They get in their seafood fix with farm raised fish and crawfish.
Take care, el. I hope you are done or almost done with pt!

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@on the cusp

in terms of toxins and contaminants, how much mercury, how much lead, how much plastic, forever chemicals, petroleum products and radwaste. OTOH, farm products are maybe no better, Cheerios anybody? When I was a kid the mantra was "Don't eat anything caught in the Harbor or even the bay; now? Who knows?

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@enhydra lutris that is famous for its' fishing throughout the bass fishing world.
For years, the warning is something like, Don't eat fish from the lake more than once a week, due to toxins. One meal of toxins is ok?
No Cheerios for us!

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between cheerios and imported fish
think would go with none of the above
bacon and eggs with a side of muffins
dripping with butter and home made
strawberry jam
thanks

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@QMS
from Half Moon Bay, some 46 miles to the west. I'm perfectly happy to grill and eat it.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --