03/11 Open Thread: Fukushima
Pictured above is Shiva. Oppenheimer is famously quoted as saying:
That was, of course, a reference to the Atomic Bomb, still a threat to humanity's survival due to the madness of various human war mongers, but that is not why it is up there.
Nukes are also a threat when used in "perfectly safe" power plants to produce electricity "too cheap to meter" How much cumulative radwaste and radioactive pollution the global system can handle is anybody's guess, but humans do seem determined to find out. An earthquake on this date in 2011 triggered a tsunami which, along with the quake itself, caused the second largest nuclear accident in world history. The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant disaster has still not been fully sorted out.
On this day in history:
1702 – The Daily Courant, England's first national daily newspaper, was first published
1845 – Unhappy with translational differences regarding the Treaty of Waitangi, chiefs Hōne Heke, Kawiti and Māori tribe members chopped down the British flagpole for a fourth time and drove settlers out of Kororāreka, New Zealand.
1851 – The first performance of Rigoletto by Giuseppe Verdi
1872 – Construction of the Seven Sisters Colliery, South Wales, begans
1888 – The Great Blizzard of 1888 began
1917 – Baghdad fell to Anglo-Indian forces. Oil Fields were involved.
1941 – Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Lend-Lease Act into law.
1981 – Hundreds of students protested in the University of Pristina in Kosovo
1985 – Mikhail Gorbachev was elected General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
2003 – The International Criminal Court held its inaugural session in The Hague.
2011 – A 9.0 earthquake hit 130 km (81 mi) east of Sendai, Japan, triggering a tsunami killing thousands of people. This event also triggered the second largest nuclear accident in history, and one of only two events to be classified as a Level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale.
2012 – A U.S. soldier killed 16 civilians in the Panjwayi District of Afghanistan near Kandahar. Why this particular killing of Afghans is noteworthy is a mystery. Perhaps because the soldier was court martialled?
Some people who were born on this day:
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
~~ Ralph Abernathy
1811 – Urbain Le Verrier, mathematician and astronomer, predicted Neptune from the math
1822 – Joseph Louis François Bertrand, mathematician, economist, and academic
1870 – Louis Bachelier, mathematician and theorist
1876 – Carl Ruggles, composer and painter
1885 – Malcolm Campbell, race car driver
1890 – Vannevar Bush, engineer, bureaucrat, and academic
1893 – Wanda Gág, author and illustrator
1897 – Henry Cowell, pianist and composer
1915 – J. C. R. Licklider, computer scientist and psychologist
1920 – Nicolaas Bloembergen, physicist and academic,
1921 – Astor Piazzolla, tango composer and bandoneon player
1925 – Margaret Oakley Dayhoff, biochemist and academic
1926 – Ralph Abernathy, minister and activist
1927 – Freda Meissner-Blau, activist and politician
1927 – Josep Maria Subirachs, sculptor and painter
1932 – Leroy Jenkins, violinist and composer
1934 – Sam Donaldson, journalist
1945 – Dock Ellis, baseball player and coach
1945 – Harvey Mandel, guitarist
1950 – Bobby McFerrin, singer, songwriter, producer, and conductor
1952 - Douglas Adams, hitchhiker
1953 – Jimmy Iovine, record producer and businessman
1953 – Bernie LaBarge, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1955 – Nina Hagen, singer, songwriter
1957 – Qasem Soleimani, Iranian commander murdered by the US military
1968 – Lisa Loeb, singer and songwriter
1969 – Soraya, singer, songwriter, guitarist, and producer
1981 – LeToya Luckett, singer, songwriter and actress
Some people who died on this day:
... and if any conclusion was reached, it was that there are no simple lessons in history, that it is human nature that repeats itself, not history.”
~~ John Toland
1602 – Emilio de' Cavalieri, organist and composer
1722 – John Toland, philosopher and theorist
1955 – Alexander Fleming, biologist, pharmacologist, and botanist
1957 – Richard E. Byrd, admiral and explorer
1959 – Lester Dent, author (Doc Savage)
1960 – Roy Chapman Andrews, paleontologist and explorer
1971 – Philo Farnsworth, inventor
1971 – Whitney Young, activist
1986 – Sonny Terry, singer and harmonica player
2015 – Jimmy Greenspoon, singer, songwriter and keyboard player
2016 – Doreen Massey, geographer and political activist
2021 – Ray Campi, rockabilly singer and musician
Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:
World Day of Muslim Culture, Peace, Dialogue and Film
The start of Ramadan
Worship of Tools Day
National Eat Your Noodles Day
Natonal 311 Day
It is also Debunking Day (since 2006), but that sounds like BS to me. If you only debunk the horrible daily outpouring of lies and misrepresentatons once a year you probably really shouldn't waste your time or anybody else's.
Today's Tunes
Malcolm Campbell
Henry Cowell
Astor Piazzolla
Leroy Jenkins
Doc Ellis No-Hitter
Harvey Mandel
Bobby McFerrin
Douglas Adams
Bernie LaBarge
Nina Hagen
Lisa Loeb
Soraya
LeToya Luckett
Philo Farnsworth
Sonny Terry
Jimmy Greenspoon
Ray Campi
Bonue Harvey Mandel
Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. So what's on your mind?
Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com
open thread, Fukushima, Philo Farnsworth, Sonny Terry, Douglas Adams, Bobby McFerrin, Harvey Mandel, Doc Ellis, Malcolm Campbell
Comments
The current atmosphere of threats against Russia
Well, first off, the "boots on the ground" thing, the one Macron is pushing for in Ukraine, is just another example of neoliberals "threatening" us with something that's already happened.
(As a side note, the ongoing example of this is the standard Democratic Party mythology of the horrors of a second Trump term. Everyone remembers the first Trump term. Trump was and is super-lazy, hiding his incompetence behind bravado; given the shadow government's hatred of Trump, a second Trump term would likely give us more attempts to destroy Trump. Oh and the Supreme Court is likely to continue on its path of denying us rights.)
As I was saying, if we are being "threatened" with boots on the ground, that means there are already boots on the ground. Will this reality lead to a new one? Simplicius thinks not:
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Good morning Cass. The Ukie shift towards
ever more and more terrorism is a measure of the reality of NATO's threats. It all calls to mind the Rus war room scene from "Billion Dollar Brain".
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Ramadan was to signal the start of a ceasefire...
...but noooo. Instead prevent Palestinians access to their mosque, as the genocide continues. What a sad state of affairs.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good morning Lookout. The idea of a ceasefire is the
proverbial carrot on a stick, sort of reminiscent of the perpetual and perpetually unfulfilled Democratic part promise to make abortion rights the law of the land.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
unfulfilled Democratic announcements
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words back atcha --
the Demo way is not to fulfill
expectations or promises
question everything
I remember doing
the data-crunching to follow the progress of the Fukushima debris plume as it blew across the country on the breeze. I did this by gathering the data from the EPA RadNet monitoring sites, as well as the NOAA for weather data. It was far easier to detect the plume’s presence during a precipitation event, of course.
I have my new monitoring setup going, and I’m following the solar flares as we get going in the current solar max. And I’m always on the lookout for anything else that blows by, just in case the ukronazis decide to blow up the Zaporihzhia NPP. Or something more permanent, should I not be vaporized at the outset…
Here’s a trip through the wayback machine. Sorry for you folks east of the Mississipp: being in Colorado, I ran out of energy after KC… (;-)
https://ibb.co/W5ZM90R
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Your work is important
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good to know
someone is keeping tabs
thanks for keeping us in the loop
question everything
Thanks.
I did all that to win a bet- a person insisted that, if they’d had a Geiger counter, it would have *pegged* as the plume went by. I pointed out that no, it wouldn’t, and so the bet was on. They were none too pleased to have to buy me that drink.
It was detectable, but wasn’t profound- at least not in the continental US. The noble gases like 135Xe, and the gaseous 131I had largely decayed by the time the plume made it across the Pacific. The other stuff was still there, suspended in the air just waiting to be rained-out- but even that was relatively transitory.
I wish that RadNet had been installed and operating for Chernobyl in ‘86, but that event predated it: the first RadNet sites didn’t come fully online until 1988. That was a much, much dirtier event. Anyway, my statistical methods have improved since then, as well as the raw detection capabilities of my rig- so I’ll just keep watching until there’s another beer to be won…
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Enjoy your free beer
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not much up on it
concerned the Fukushima melt
is more effecting the oceans
due to their methods of release
may take longer to record as water is
denser than air
still out there in one way, shape or form
not distilled in our lifetime
question everything
It’s sort of amusing,
because the level of 137Cs in our hay really was higher that year. It was always high, though, because this part of Colorado got thoroughly rained out on during the years of aboveground testing at the Nevada Test Site, and that stuff lasts a long, long time.
The really amusing thing was to measure the 137Cs in nori right after the initial explosions. It took some hours in the spectrometer to see it, but there it was.
They say that “The solution to pollution is dilution”. I beg to differ: the solution is not to pollute to begin with. We humans have really wounded Mother Ocean during our cold-war stupidity.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
We have been dumping toxins in the ocean
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for far too long. It is effecting the life below the surface
Dissolving toxins into a solution protracts them, causing
further damage to the ecosystem in the long term
question everything
Here’s a great graph,
though somewhat sobering (so to speak), courtesy of the French government, tracking the concentration of 137Cs in their wines over the course of the Cold War. Definite food for thought.
https://i.ibb.co/5nJnjQB/image.png
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Great graph. As I generally prefer Bordeaux, the hot
ones all all aged out by now, but some of those long-lived Burgundies might still be around.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
out of sight...
Yeah but out of sight, out of mind. Pretty hard to beat...
We have no clue what we are doing to the seas using them as a disposal site for everything. Rivers too. We treat waterways like sewers.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
Heh, since forever.
be well and have a good one
edit: put blockquote markers around blockquote
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
great little ditty
know the source?
question everything
Monangahela Sal, great little ditty.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
There are mountains of crap we hermetically sealed
and sunk in mother ocean long ago that is just now starting to be realeased by the long term degradation of the containers, no telling what's in store for parts of the pacific nearshore come mañana.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
i remember seeing video
of the Navy dumping bargeloads of waste off the Farallons. They were "sealed" in the regular government-issue 55-gallon yellow or white drums with the radioactive trefoil. And most of them sank right away.
And the ones that didn't sink right away? They simply shot them full of holes until they did sink. Simple problem, simple solution...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Farallon_nuclear_was...
Not a fan. But it could be worse: there are places in the Sea of Okhotsk, or the Barents and Kara Seas, or around Novaya Zemla, when the Russian navy used to dump the used fuel rods from their submarine reactors. Not in containers, mind you- they just dumped them right out the bottom of the extraction tool directly into the sea, naked. There are other dumping zones where they routinely disposed of the entire reactor sections of decommissioned submarines- just chop the boat apart, scrap everything else, put the whole hot section onto a barge, and roll it over the side... Finally they tired of that game,and just started scuttling the whole boat.
https://quotulatiousness.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Soviet-nucle...
Man's inhumanity to the sea would appear to be boundless.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
amen EL!
It was originally Montrose Chemical, which was et up by Monsanto, after the PV DDT dumping.
the DDT off of he Palos Verdes Peninsula, my old stomping ground, is just in 55 gal. steel drums, that are 50+ years old and starting to rust. Some already leaking. Most in the San Pedro Channel between the PVP and Catalina. Don't eat the bottom fish in the area. CA quit stocking fish in Harbor Pk. my old park and local patch, in the 70's due to the ddt levels. It was straight downstream from the old Montrose site up by Torrance.
And like you say, gawd knows how much of what is out there... An H-bomb for one lucky finder!
Take care!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
Good morning UFS. It's nice to see the monitoring
results, as opposed to everybody's projections. Probability, now than San Onofre is shut down, says that the next one will be in the SE US, so beyond the offshore-onshore cycle, where does the normal prevailing wind take it?
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I may start
posting some observations with my data. The vast majority are really straightforward: the sky isn’t falling at this moment, any more than it always has. Observation of X-class solar flares are easy, and Homunculus Sapsucker has had the same things raining down upon they/them/it/us from the skies every 11 years- since before the first primordial slime mold developed a system of city and county government, and joined parties. It clearly all went to shit after that. But I digress… (;-)
More interesting, in some sense, is to compare what we have done unto ourselves to what the cosmos has intended for us. So there will be some observations of very little, by comparisons to the disasters: the things that are truly part of the normal ebb and flow of cosmic business. We don’t have a current emergent disaster, yet. But knowing what has always been there, and seeing it in higher resolution than was possible only a decade ago, gives me some semblance of peace.
Then, when we as a species do something really astoundingly brain-dead (as we are apparently wont to do), we can compare and contrast. For a moment, anyway. (;-)
For my part, I can now easily see the difference between a solar flare and a Radon rainout. And knowing in detail what is truly normal is key, when looking for that which might prove to be abnormal.
But your mileage will, of course, vary.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Monday, Monday
la da da, la da da,
Hi all, Hey EL
Hope its good all over out there!
1952 - Douglas Adams, GALACTIC hitchhiker
to get your tool jones on... click a 'family group', then scroll down the page and see all the hammers and mallets, or whatever, etc. https://periodictableoftools.com/index.html
best evah Chest Fever (3 dog) live with Jimmy Greenspoon 2 min. organ intro
Oops, sorry you'll have to click the link to youtub
There is a similar good version on the Live at the Forum album, also about 1970 or so. When Three Dog went psychedelic. One of the first dozen albums I owned, via Colombia Record Club. It came as an alternate choice as they were OUT of (or didn't want to send) American Beauty!
On another subject, admittedly not an intelligent one, about this AI crapola. My Berkeley buddy sends me these 'biospoilers', to share the brain hernias, which leave us alternately shaking our heads, pounding fists, and yelking at screen or sky...
I missed the U.S. Nat. Pk. with these though... Which US Nat. Pk. is this, all jungly with Tigers?
Apparently I have been doing winter bird attracting all wrong, as I've never got a Penguin to come in. though do suppose if I lived on an Antarctic ice shelf with a ready supply of smelt my odds would be higher?
Here we will learn all about flowers for hummers in Mississippi, by showing an artificial feeder, and a western hummingbird species not found in MS escept as an extraordinary accidental.
There is nothing to worry about. We're going to be so much smarter with AI! /s
Thanks for the OT! Hope yer dryin' out! Love watching that snow stack up in the Sierras. The morning after everyone was stuck on Donner Pass, ms dys asked if I saw what happened, I said they were eating each other already.
be well all!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
great version of the chest fever
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with the organ solo, builds into something stronger
your perspectives make me chuckle
thanks!
question everything
In a similar vein
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question everything
thanks!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
Hola Dysto. Ironically, something ate my original reply.
I really love those AI posters. Great "periodic table", fwiw, my hammer collection would surprise you.
There are a couple of folks who had never heard but were sure they wouldn't like the Dead who really loved American Beauty, heh, "first one's free".
I always wanted to open a rib joint up on Donner Pass because, seriously, who could pass that up.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
ROFL!
There was a place here but it went out of biz... next valley over from us. Don't know why all the tourists didn't stop what with all the locals there.
It was called Todd's Roadkill Cafe. I regret not getting a pic of the sign.
With a name like that, you'd have thought it would have taken off...
I'll be at yer rib joint soon as it opens...
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
I had to see this headline in big print
Bernie Sanders reaffirms support for “Genocide Joe” after Biden declares “no red lines” in Israeli assault on Gaza
after I saw it in an RBN session.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Great headline, what can one say. n/t
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
would seem Bernie has rescined his previous positions
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to just hang hang back
history is not always forgiving
question everything
It is quite apparent that you can't teach an old sheepdog new
tricks.
F-35A and B61-12
...The Express version of the story is to try to link this nuclear weapons development to NATO v. Russia developments.
NATO fighter jets get green light to carry nukes as tension with Russia soars
This appears to be the original source in Breaking Defense linked below. Yippee, new nuclear weapons!
AIR WARFARE, GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE: F-35A officially certified to carry nuclear bomb
The B-61-12 weapon is different from other gravity nukes because is a deep earth/bunker penetrating weapon. The implication is that the F-35A can fly stealthily and at supersonic speeds enroute to deliver a nuke.
F-35A weapon bays with 2 B61 nuclear bombs and 2 AIM-120 AMRAAM
The effective use of this weapon one time, could provoke a response resulting in the end of life on earth as we know it. What possible advantage could one hope to achieve with this new "innovation?" I originally entertained the notion that this was a decapitation weapon designed for North Korea with a "limited" capacity to retaliate. But they would retaliate. There exists the possibility such a retaliation by a relatively "weak" nuclear power like North Korea, might not result in world destruction, only destruction of the region. Use of "tactical" nuclear weapons against Russia in the Ukraine region or elsewhere, is extremely unlikely to be contained. So called "extended deterrence" is a psychological prop or tool, to reassure allies that we would use nuclear weapons to defend them. It is regarded as more important in this aspect, because of US allies perceiving a weakening US conventional deterrence.
Nuclear power policy to be major focus in parliament after Ishikawa quake
The whole article is better than this excerpt above. Same for this Mari Yamuguchi article below.
13 years after meltdown, the head of Japan’s nuclear cleanup is probing mysteries inside reactors
Thought this was revealing. This twitter "expert" who spreads a lot of bs about China, can't distinguish Chinese from Hangul (Korean). He has over a million followers:
For a while, I tried to keep up with Fukushima, radiation issues, and the like but I don't know enough. It doesn't get enough attention.
Thanks for the OT enhydra lutris.
p.s.
語必忠信 行必正直
This is in reference to the Tim Shorrock tweet.
The US military and the MIC are everywhere spreading their propaganda.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4524332-bands-pull-out-sxsw-us-arm...
Also too there is this:
Good for those musicians
語必忠信 行必正直
Good afternoon Soryang. Thanks for reading and
for all the information you provided
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good afternoon Soryang. Thanks for reading and
for all the information.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Nuclear "joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea"
I have a cousin in Dayton, TX, who operates a huge crawfish farm. Bet he is making out like a bandit, post Fukushima. Some friends of mine no longer eat anything from Gulf waters. They get in their seafood fix with farm raised fish and crawfish.
Take care, el. I hope you are done or almost done with pt!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Good afternoon otc. One wonders about anything wild caught
in terms of toxins and contaminants, how much mercury, how much lead, how much plastic, forever chemicals, petroleum products and radwaste. OTOH, farm products are maybe no better, Cheerios anybody? When I was a kid the mantra was "Don't eat anything caught in the Harbor or even the bay; now? Who knows?
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I live near a large lake
For years, the warning is something like, Don't eat fish from the lake more than once a week, due to toxins. One meal of toxins is ok?
No Cheerios for us!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
if made to make a choice
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between cheerios and imported fish
think would go with none of the above
bacon and eggs with a side of muffins
dripping with butter and home made
strawberry jam
thanks
question everything
Heh, we routinely import fresh, wild-caught pacific salmon
from Half Moon Bay, some 46 miles to the west. I'm perfectly happy to grill and eat it.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --