New Roolz for Philly
“The experience of the Nevada Convention demands that action be taken,” said Ray Buckley, the New Hampshire party chairman, who also serves as president of the Association of State Democratic Party Chairs.
He said every state party was “stunned and saddened” by what happened in Nevada, but that state was not alone in seeing “bad behavior” at party events.
Buckley called on the Sanders campaign, along with the Clinton’s campaign and the DNC, to agree to eight new guidelines to ensure peace at upcoming state conventions.
The guidelines called for cost sharing for extra security... He also called on all parties to agree that conventions should proceed “without interruption or interference of any manner,” including “auditory or visual distractions."
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/democrats-consider-new-rules-avoid-convention...
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Roolz > Walk Outs
Steamroller rules = Walkout.
From the Light House.
Well, I think that's what they want.
Though it might be the best answer, anyway.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
It's absolutely what they want & we cannot do that
or we allow them to run over us as they did in NV.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
They will have guns.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Four dead in Ohio.
Never forgotten.
MLK
and others faced men with guns too. On a much larger scale. Fighting for a democracy has never been a pretty business. Probably never will be.
See 1948 Democratic Convention
Mississippi and Alabama delegates led a walkout (not that it did them much good). While they made the news, they achieved nothing.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
The perfect response
would be for Bernie to walk away.
Fuck it. The Democratic Party isn't worth leading.
"The real power is in the hands of small groups of people and I don't think they have titles. -- Bob Dylan"
No! That's EXACTLY what they want!
I'm not convinced this is best. I still think Bernie's got a shot at the nom - I'm not giving up on that until we've given it every effort.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
He should stay in until the convention
And then walk away. But every sign he's given shows he's not willing to do that.
It would be helpful if someone else well known in the movement would do it if he remains unwilling.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Until the convention
But if the disgusting corruption of the DNC and the media shows itself, then Bernie has no reason not to hook up with the Green Party, unless he's thinking about his remaining Senate term. But that won't matter because Bernie will be President along with Vice-President Stein and we'll be working on getting a new Senate anyway.
Beware the bullshit factories.
♫ Just walk away, Bernié ♫
Cue the song by a group called, very appropriately, Left Banke.
I like that ...
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Hard to know
Are the party loyalists all a bunch of shits who deserve whatever they might get as defenders of antidemocratic efforts, or are they just unprofessional brainless hacks flowing the orders of powerful masters? Regardless, threats to them are the work of morons. But let's not be fooled with efforts to protect the sanctity of a coronation.
We've seen no evidence of actual threats
I believe they are manufactured.
To answer your question, yes, I believe they are antidemocratic. I hate that the party name is merely ironic this season.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Are they?
Same thing.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
“auditory or visual distractions"
English Translation: no objections and especially no noisy protesting by the hoi polloi!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I find this particularly ominous and chilling. n/t
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
They planning to gag us like Bobby Seale at the Chicago 7 trial?
Judge Julius Hoffman didn’t like auditory or visual distractions either.
It sounds a lot like Markos, doesn't it?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
So far only counterpunch has reported
On Ralston spreading lies about what happened in Nevada. The article states that Rachel showed a clip of the chairs being thrown,but it was from a wrestling match not the Nevada convention.
I just looked on her msnbc site for the video. I found it but it won't play.
Hmmm, why not Rachel? I lost all respect for her after Obama was elected and started doing the same things that Bush did regarding the wars in the Middle East especially his use of the drones. She was amazingly silent about that.
Has any other website written anything about Ralston making that shit up?
It's very obvious to me that the Nevada debacle was a setup for Philadelphia's new rules.
I would like to see a few things happen.
1- Bernie boycotts it because the whole damned election has been rigged
in Hillary's favor.
2- Bernie's supporters boycott it for the same reason.
3- Bernie speaks out about how it's been rigged and refuses to either
concede the election or tells them that he won't campaign for Hillary.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
'If you harm an American, we will respond"
~ Joe Biden
Their readiness to OPENLY SH!T ON CONVENTIONEERS
as well as their readiness to consider Sanders a NONcandidate is why it's time to surround the center and take the convention over.
Body armor, teargas masks COMMUNICATION SYSTEM, per person and per groups of 10 THAT ****works**** and cannot be jammed 0r disrupted
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
You may be right.
Walkie-talkies will likely be confiscated, cell phones made to not work (legal? who cares?). There may need to be visual clues, blue? if electronic communication is shut down. I have no plans to be there, and no background in protest. I wish Sanders attendees---good training, hold the line.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
If everyone thinks we are violent...
I think you hit the nail on the head. That whole Nevada anti-Bernie was stinking of diarreah frosting for the masses.
From the Light House.
Of course is reeks. TheDNC is no longer flushing
Snopes tells us this:
http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-demo...
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Muerte al fascismo. Muerte a la tiranía. colapso total de los que promueven tampoco. A la pared con el unico porciento%
Go ahead push Bernie supporters away even more...
All of the "violence" propaganda will not make Bernie supporters more inclined to support the Democrat Party. It will push them ever more into Jill Stein or Trump territory. Debbie Wasserman Shultz's performance on CNN was horrid, to say the least and Barbara Boxer's "Can I haz violence now?" by taunting Bernie supporters was laughable at face value... I'm so done, I'm so done - Green Party looking better and better.
Shultz - doing her best "I'm so angry" skit -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0YT03p6qqQ
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Peace
FN
"Democracy is technique and the ability of power not to be understood as oppressor. Capitalism is the boss and democracy is its spokesperson." Peace - FN
Making It Up As They Go
In order to ensure that Her Royal High-And-Mightiness Hillary the First is coronated, a devotee of Calvinball is in charge of the rules. The only consistent rule states that Calvinball may never be played with the same rules twice.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Roolz?
Those roolz are written by Foolz who are scared to death of the real people they pretend to represent. Those roolz are written by the entrenched ruling class, in guilt and greed, tenacious in holding power. Yet, they still want the holographic illusion of democratic process. Oh the Kabuki!
So the antidote? July 25, 2016 March on Philly Join the fray if you can or provide support from afar
Occupy Philly!
Bookmarking for the link, Cosmic.
Many thanks.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I'm confused by those who suggest we/Bernie walk away.
If we walk away, we'll lose all the support we've gained up until now. The PTB may not appreciate our activism, but there's a shitload of people who agree with Bernie's solutions for so many of the ills that exist in this country. The selfish bastards, including Hillary Clinton and all the superdelegates who support her, don't want us to have nice things, like food and shelter. For some reason, our asking for a bit of equality somehow diminishes their power.
So, no, now is not the time to walk away. Now is the time to push harder and louder and in larger numbers. The longer this goes on, the further Hillary falls. Her failure, and I really don't see her winning the GE, may be the beginning of the end (if not the end of the end) of the DLC bullshit. I WANT MY DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK!!!
Bernie's not done using the Democratic Party yet.
And neither are we.
What they're good for is visibility. They're trying to poison that apple by spreading the idea that we're violent. They're also spreading the idea that we're violent to justify violence against us. However, our message is working better than theirs so far, even with the advantage they have in the MSM.
We are going to go to every state and rally people and grow the movement, while exposing the corruption, violence, and general bile of the party. After that, we should leave the party, I think, unless creating a left-wing tea party works better--but if we do that we are likely to alienate lots of allies who despise the Democratic party, as well as some who may not be on the left.
The important thing here is to build a persistent movement against corruption.
The more immediate question is: should we leave before the convention, or go to the convention and leave afterwards? Bernie's plan appears to be to go to the convention. I'm unsure.
Philly is a trap, obviously, but I'm not sure it's a trap we can avoid simply by not going. By not going, we could lapse back into invisibility. Also, they wouldn't be threatening violence (and to those with ears that hear, they clearly are) if they weren't protecting something.
I think probably it's better to go to Philly, but with widespread training of people to defuse provocateur violence. I have some ideas about that--goofy, but they just might work.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It really matters, how people act. Re: Philly.
I am seeing lots of expressions of 'we need to do this or that.' I am not seeing, 'we need to act right.'
I will never vote for that woman. Ever. I will contribute to a fund for her orange jumpsuit and handcuffs. I plan to vote for Bernie or write in Bernie. But if I cannot vote for Bernie, do I vote for Trump? I cannot imagine it. I have not imagined it. But if she goes to Philly and engages in even more criminal behavior, and I believe she will, I will imagine it. I might do it. She deserves a Trump vote from a Democrat of four plus decades.
I have seen the calls for
peaceful protest all over the place. The ptb tried to take it away from us, but we are still proud of the way we did everything. People like us can't abide violence.
'Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years, Doctor, and I’m happy to state I finally won out over it." Elwood P. Dowd "
I think that
we all owe the Democratic Party a convention that they will never forget - by any nonviolent means possible.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
They will bring the violence.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Of that
I have no doubt whatsoever.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Smiley-face fascism
Violent police riots, armed security guards, cutting communications, rigged rules, corporate commentators, cherry-picking, dog-whistling are a few common tricks of modern smiley-face fascism.
From the Light House.
Not just dog whistling.
Dogs.
Police dogs. Guard dogs. Attack dogs. All in the name of security.
How sad Fascists turn man's best friends into weapons.
I concur! Do NOT walk away! n/t
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
The response is a third party
Trump will get elected with a second version Democratic party. Either they keep the big tent or it shrinks and they lose. Play fair or die.
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
Lil' Debbie's Gag Rule 64(b)(1)(a)(iii):
Any delegate shouting: "The whole world is watching" shall be summarily stripped of credentials, arrested, waterboarded, and sent to Guantanamo Bay.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
A few bits of history may be germane to our plight
"On the first day, the Roosevelt forces lost a test vote on the temporary chairman. Taft's man, Elihu Root, prevailed. Roosevelt's supporters tried to have 72 of their delegates substituted for Taft partisans on the list of those officially allowed to take part in the convention. When that initiative failed, Roosevelt knew that he could not win, and had earlier rejected the idea of a compromise third candidate. "I'll name the compromise candidate. He'll be me. I'll name the compromise platform. It will be our platform." With that, he bolted from the party and instructed his delegates not to take part in the voting; Taft easily won on the first ballot. Roosevelt, meanwhile, said he was going "to nominate for the presidency a Progressive on a Progressive platform."
Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/1912-republican-convention-855607/...
And:
"Back in the 1950s and 1960s, King was repeatedly derided by his opponents for inciting violence. The FBI even investigated him, fearing his potential impact on US society. The White House, meanwhile, seriously feared that the March on Washington would lead to riots and violence — something that seems completely absurd today."
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/18/10777146/mlk-day-martin-luther-king
The revolution must be televised
I just put this in another thread, but it is important.
The Nevada convention suffered from a lack of documentation. What there was was clearly on our side, but it was too little and too easily manipulated. Everyone, everywhere in Philly must be ready to film and upload at a moment's notice. Don't freeze, don't wonder if someone else is doing it, just do it. We are not going to run out of digital storage any time soon.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Our turn now to stand in Tahrir Square, and at Pearl Roundabout.
Tahrir Square
Pearl Roundabout
It's my understanding that
Philly has granted permits for Sanders
supporters to gather in at least four
different sites, the largest being FDR
Park a few blocks away from the Wells
Fargo Convention Center where the
Dem Party will doing its thing.
The four-day rally at FDR Park is
tentatively expected to have some
30,000 participants, although organizers
and the city both expect a much larger
turnout.
The other three venues are much farther
away from the convention site and
are expected to have 2-3,000 participants
each.
No cites for this info, just what I've read
online, mostly at billmon's Twitter account.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster