Open Thread for April 25, 2016; Happy Title 25

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 7:00am

So we're looking at 25 this Monday
25 is 5 squared, and it has no other divisors. It is odd, like the square of every prime other than 2.

25 is the smallest square that is the sum of two smaller squares (9 & 16). Carpenters and others make fact of this property to draw large right angles, since this is a pythagorean triangle, with sides of 3, 4 and 5

25 is manganese
25 is the minimum age to get elected to the House of Representatives
I-25 connects Wyoming and New Mexico, but nobody is sure why

25, in Hindi, is Pachisi, the national board game of India. Ours in the US must be Monopoly, I guess.

TITLE 25 of the U.S. Code is INDIANS

25 BCE was Year of the Consulship of Augustus and Silanus. This was the 9th consulship for Caesar Augustus
The temple to Neptune was built on the Circus Flaminius. There was no temple to Uranus.
Rome surpassed Chang'an, China as the largest city in the world.

25 CE was the Year of the Consulship of Lentulus and Agrippa
Liu Xiu restored the Han dynasty in China, becoming Emperor Guangwu of Han. But, was he flying solo?
On this date in
1792 -- "La Marseillaise" was composed by Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle.
1829 -- Charles Fremantle arrived off the coast of modern-day Western Australia.
1846 -- Open conflict began over the disputed border of Texas, triggering the Mexican--American War.
1859 -- British and French engineers broke ground for the Suez Canal.
1898 -- The United States declared war on Spain.
1915 -- The Battle of Gallipoli began with The invasion of Turkey at Anzac Cove and Cape Helles.
1916 -- Anzac Day was commemorated for the first time on the first anniversary of the landing at Anzac Cove.
1920 -- At the San Remo conference, the principal Allied Powers of World War divvied up the spoils.
1944 -- The United Negro College Fund was incorporated.
1945 -- The Nazi occupation army surrendered and left Northern Italy after a general insurrection by the Italian resistance movement; the puppet fascist regime fell and Benito Mussolini was captured after trying to escape.
1945 -- The United Nations Conference on International Organization began in San Francisco
1953 -- Francis Crick and James D. Watson wrote about the double helix structure of DNA.
1954 -- The first practical solar cell was demonstrated by Bell Labs.
1959 -- The Saint Lawrence Seaway officially opened to shipping.
1961 -- Robert Noyce was granted a patent for an integrated circuit.
1974 -- A leftist military coup in Portugal overthrew the fascist Estado Novo regime and established a democratic government.
1990 -- Violeta Chamorro became the first woman President of Nicaragua.
2015 -- Riots broke out in Baltimore following the death of Freddie Gray in police custody.

Born this day in
1287 -- Roger Mortimer, The 1st Earl of March.
1599 -- Oliver Cromwell, an English general and politician. Also a genocidal fascist.
1849 -- Felix Klein, a mathematician and academic. Famous for his bottle.
1874 -- Guglielmo Marconi, an inventor who developed Marconi's law. Nobel winner.
1900 -- Wolfgang Pauli, a physicist and academic, Nobel winner.
1906 -- William J. Brennan, Jr., a jurist.
1908 -- Edward R. Murrow, a journalist
1912 -- Earl Bostic, a saxophonist
1917 -- Ella Fitzgerald, a singer-songwriter and actress
1920 -- Robert Q. Lewis, a game show host and actor
1928 -- Vassar Clements, a fiddler (Old and in the Way)
1933 -- Jerry Leiber, A songwriter and producer. Half of Lieber & Stoller
1945 -- Stu Cook, A bass player, songwriter, and producer (Creedence Clearwater Revival and Southern Pacific)
1945 -- Björn Ulvaeus, a singer-songwriter and producer (ABBA and Hootenanny Singers)

Died this day in
1744 -- Anders Celsius, an astronomer, physicist, and mathematician
1800 -- William Cowper, a poet and hymnodist
1919 -- Augustus D. Juilliard, a businessman and philanthropist
1944 -- George Herriman, a cartoonist with a krazy kat.
1988 -- Clifford D. Simak, a journalist and author
1990 -- Dexter Gordon, a saxophonist, composer, and actor
1995 -- Ginger Rogers, an actress, singer, and dancer. Friend of Fred.
1999 -- Roger Troutman, American singer-songwriter and producer (Zapp and Parliament-Funkadelic)

Earl Bostic
Ella Fitzgerald
Vassar Clements
Jerry Leiber
Stu Cook
Björn Ulvaeus
Dexter Gordon
Roger Troutman

Earl Bostic

Ella Fitzgerald

Vassar Clements

Jerry Leiber (& mike stoller)

Jerry Lieber & Phil Spector

Stu Cook

Björn Ulvaeus

Dexter Gordon

Roger Troutman

It's an open thread, So you should all know the drill by now - what's on your mind?

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Submitted by Gerrit on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 8:49am

Morning enhydra and all. Hope you're hving a fine day. Sunny

days here in southern Ontario - and we'll take it!

"La Marseillaise"...very powerful. Try singing it, yikes :=) I think it would help if I tried to sing it after vast quantities of red wine.

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Submitted by riverlover on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:14am

Wine yes

and Southern French, which I was exposed to that recognizes silent letters (s, e, t --that silent syllable in many more northern French accents. Nice to weave it into poetry. And much like US southern pronunciation, which I was also exposed to. It, to my ear, is actually more lilty.

Marseille (city) has 3 syllables, the way I was taught by a Marsellaise. Two syllables by a Lyonnaise.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:31am

Thanks for explaining that. Being only familiar with

more northern French, the words sung didn't seem to match the subtitles, but were obviously correct.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:29am

Powerful indeed. and the revolutionary origins

are pretty clear. Aux armes Citoyens - take to the streets, folks.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 7:35pm

Ironically, de Lisle was a Royalist,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Joseph_Rouget_de_Lisle

but the Revolutionary forces co-opted his song. It has been out of favor when revolutionary fervor wasn't wanted, but it has always come back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Marseillaise

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Submitted by Dr. FSKopus on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:02am

Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening!

Some troubling news on the European front after this weekend... Austria had the first of their elections yesterday, and much to a lot of people's surprise, the ultra-right party ended up taking a majority of the vote--not enough to clinch the entire election, mind, but enough that it happened to catch plenty of people off-guard.

https://news.vice.com/article/austria-sliding-to-far-right-amid-anti-immigration-sentiment

I hope this does not turn out to be a sign of things to come in Europe, but there is some resentment for the influx of refugees that have come from the US meddling too much in the Middle East. The only good news is that there will be another election at the end of May between Norbert Hofer (the FPOe candidate) and an Independent candidate mostly associated with the Greens, Alexander van der Bellen. For the first time since WWII, the two "mainstream" parties, The Socialist Party of Austria (SPOe) and the People's Party of Austria (OeVP), are not going to be represented in the final election. Strange times, indeed...

Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:04am

The idea of Trump or Cruz becoming president

is also having a toxic influence in Europe. The comment from my friends abroad is almost always, "You you guys nuts?"

Sadly, I have to admit that most of the country it.

Submitted by Dr. FSKopus on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:16am

My students don't know much about Cruz

except that he's creepy, ultra-religious, and he wants to try and bomb the crap out of the Middle East. (This is only because they ask me about this stuff and I give them what information I'm able to stomach.) They seem far more intrigued by Trump's "Popufascism" than anything--mostly because they can't believe how gullible his supporters are. This is their impression of America--other than myself talking to them and trying to brush away as much of the bullshit as possible for them.

Also, Marie Le Pen tweeted her congratulations to Austria for giving Hofer 36% of the vote yesterday. Don't know much about French politics, but I do know enough that Le Pen is not the type of person you want to be congratulated by.

Submitted by mimi on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:41am

if only the Americans understood what kind of

a mess they have caused to develop in Europe.

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Submitted by mimi on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:41am

if only the Americans understood what kind of

a mess they have caused to develop in Europe.

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Submitted by mimi on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:42am

sorry, don't know why this double post happened /nt

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:38am

I saw some headlines about that but never got back

to them (it was a busy and distracting day). I'm figuring that it does not bode well and hoping that it doesn't get too bad. There does seem to be a widespread regurgence of the right, whether openly, such as in that case, or in disguise as it is here.

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Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:02am

Do open threads result in snags or knotty issues?

And why do they call it a Finnish line, when those nordic sorts hardly ever enter a race?

Submitted by Dr. FSKopus on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:03am

It's a consolation prize...

...as there's Norway to assure a Swede victory.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:46am

I figure that, being part of the web, there must

be knots, though the tangled web we weave implies that, unlike the classic fisherman's net, they have a warp and a woof, and where there is a warp there are twists, and woofs would seem to attract lolcats, though I have seen few here.

As to the Finnish line, look into Paavo Nurmi, "the Flying Finn". He owned long distance running back in the day.

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Submitted by riverlover on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:02am

I have decided that 7 is my heart number.

I play with multiplication tables in my head and then the +7 series I that I feel special about make numbers fun. My birth date is one multiple of 7. Five is a comfort number, easy to remember for most of us though at least 12X.

As I get older and worry about cognitive deficit creeping in, times tables are a good exercise, until about X 13. Did we have to learn X14 or do long multiplication then?

La Marseillaise is a good warlike anthem of resistance. I think in the vid fis is wrong and it is fils. Was that the only gender reference there?

Canada has ungendered "Oh, Canada" I think. And the National Anthem speaks only of flags and weapons.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:59am

I can't recall what I learned when, but I can say

that classic darts does wonders for getting speedy on multiples up through 20. Seven is a fun number, as are the various integer fractions with 7 in the denominator.

I can't help with La Marseillaise, however, I have no idea.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 2:03pm

I thought perhaps I wasn't so sharp on 13s

but I just ran through them up to 169 so I guess I've got 'em. I think 17 is about where I have to really think about the multiples. 14s are easy for me because of the rigorous training I got as a child, learning 7s (and thus 14s) from football scores. 15s all end in 5 or 0, 16s are like 4s or 8s but 17...a prime number.

Hey, here's a trick! I know that 17x17 is 289. So what's 18x18? (one asks) Well, if you take the 289, add 17 and then add 18 you get 324, which is sort of interesting. Try that with 19x19. Start with 324, add 18, add 19 more. That's 361. We can all do 20x20 in our heads but 21x21? Take that 20x20 (400), add 20, add 21 for 441. I like stuff like that.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 4:07pm

Application of the distributive law. One can

also subtract stuff: 19 x 19 = 20 x 20 - 20 - 19 = 361 (or 20x20-40+1)

19 x 19 = (18+1)x(18+1) = (18 x 18) + (2 x 18) +1 = (18 x 18) + 18 + 19

19 x 19 = (20-1)x(20-1) = (20x20) - (2X20) + 1 = 400 - 20 - 19

and you can expand on it, like 13 x 19 = (20 x 19) - (7 x 19) = 380-133 = 247; generally start with an easy multiplier (ending in 5 or zero) and then add or subtract the appropriate difference.

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Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 5:46pm

here's how I do 13x19

the midpoint is 16 and 16x16=256. 3 off in either direction so we'll go 3x3 (9) and thus 13x19 is 256-9, or 247.

Submitted by riverlover on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 5:53pm

I almost had to do that one

on paper, but now I get your thinking method. --Have you ever tried teaching a personal shortcut to someone else? I have, there is much side-eye and head shaking and then, sometimes, eureka!

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Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 6:17pm

that particular trick is a visual of this thing

(a+b)x(a-b)=a2-b2

aw, too bad. I was hoping the formatting would remain. That a2-b2 is "a squared minus b squared".

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 6:47pm

hmmm, I'll haveta work on that one as far as

generalizing it. Thanks.

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Submitted by Thursday Next on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 7:05pm

i would do

13x20 = 260 and subtract 10 and 3 to get 247

Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 7:24pm

that's probably easier for that problem

I enjoy the fact that there are so many different ways of getting to a specific answer.

Submitted by mimi on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:35am

Good Morning, c99p-ers,

Just wanted to point out to today's BNR over at TOP and be thankful for some good comments. I always appreciate Don Midwest's links. Also, I found MB's pundit round-up very interesting today, as well as his Webb-Jackson-Genocide essay, one, which is to me so much defining or revealing of MB's cloth himself.

I am out canvassing today, as I did yesterday. And whatever it teaches me, the main thing I got out of it is that nothing is more "educational" than to talk and walk and see your neighborhoods on the ground. in real life. No online discussions can replace it. For me it was essential to "grasp" the view points of the elderly Afro-Americans in comparison to the younger Afro-Americans. The ironic thing is that those people, who made me understand it, were officially the ones we were not supposed to get into conversations with during the canvassing process. In a way I am constantly puzzled of the irrationality and inconsistency of ways how people here have to "do their campaign work". But then, it's because I come from somewhere else.

I am an outsider to this country (and the older I get the more I understand that part of my life), but I was always engaged in racial, social and ideological issues from outside of the US hemisphere in a quiet, but persistent way my whole life. I realize I have to take care of myself, because what I see and observe is just tearing me apart and causes me to lose faith in everything. And somehow I can't allow that to happen to myself. So I force myself to go on. Like all of you probably will have to force yourself to go on in however ways might be available to you.

Have a good day all. Be good humans. And yeah, go Bernie !

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:43am

Good Morning EL and 99%'ers!

Ella Fitzgerald is my all time favorite female vocalist.

We entertained out of town company again this weekend. Today, I am recovering and cleaning up.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 11:33am

I have hard time coming up with an

all time fave, but she is high on my list, and gets a lot of air time when I'm playing stuff myself.

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Submitted by Jazzenterprises on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 9:43am

Morning everyone

Charles Koch endorsed Hillary, the Progressive Who Gets Things Done!. I suppose that now makes Koch at least a "liberal"...

I would laugh if it wasn't all so sickening and pathetic...

Have a great day everyone!

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 11:38am

If a Bircher calls you a progressive, does it

mean anything at all?

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Submitted by Writerinres on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 1:26pm

If a Bircher

Yes. It means you're an astroturf progressive, i.e. a faux progressive, like Faux News. Very fitting and Hill-arious.

Submitted by dancingrabbit on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 12:50pm

What happened to the right column menu (JtC)?

I haven't seen it on my cell phone for some
12 hours now. Bit of a shame, too, as I've
taken to using it to avoid the clutter and
infinite scrolling of the main page.

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 1:16pm

yes.. it's more of a hassle now

the only time I can see the Recent Essays list I is when I'm in an essay or in My Account where before I always saw the Recent Essays if logged in.

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Submitted by Gerrit on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 2:41pm

Yeah, I miss it too. Maybe JtC is working on it? I hope he puts

it back; I use it all the time.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 4:16pm

Could it be beyond the screen?

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Submitted by dancingrabbit on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 4:38pm

Nope. It's a blank pale blue space

on the Community Content page, but does
appear properly when I'm on an Essay
page.

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Submitted by Writerinres on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 1:24pm

Right Column Menu

Yes. I thought this site was hacked by Hill & Bill, the DNC, or Kos. Old diaries appear on the main page and no new diaries listed on the right. Was this a purposeful change or a hack?

Submitted by Lady Libertine on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 1:39pm

Im inclined to agree with Gauis

Gaius Publius new piece today LINK HERE

As I've been writing almost from the start of doing this work, the whole game since the 1980s was to deprive the nation's workers of good jobs; load the country with debt — to imitate the "lifestyles of the rich and famous" with credit cards and mortgage-backed loans instead of real income — then make the government make sure no debt is forgiven.

That's the whole game in a nutshell. A debt strike is an assault on that game, just as the Sanders candidacy is an assault on it. Neither assault can be allowed by the money-serving Establishment, but one form of assault is infinitely preferable to the other. Most sensible people do and will prefer electoral solutions.

My point again — if Sanders is not nominated, there will be no electoral solution (unless Clinton reverses a lifetime of pro-money policies), and the conflict will move into the next, non-electoral arena.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 4:11pm

Good luck with Hillary, iirc she was a factor in

the so-called "bankruptcy Reform" act.

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Submitted by dancingrabbit on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 2:03pm

LL, you didn't emphasize

the most powerful sentence in Gaius' quote, imo.

A debt strike is an assault on that game, just as the Sanders candidacy is an assault on it.

Now a debt strike is a fascinating idea. I wonder how many of us, especially the #BernieorBust advocates, really have the nerve for that. Gives powerful meaning to the "orBust" part of that slogan. Who's going to be the first not to pay their mortgage?

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Submitted by Lady Libertine on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 4:53pm

yeah b.cuz I took it out of context

Ill have to go read it again, I think he was specifically talking about student loan debt there.

But basically he's saying that IF we don't get Bernie elected (best option) then ... well basically we're dead in the water in terms of going the inside route (electoral politics). So we go back outside (where we're used to being anyway, lol) but we'll need to kick it up a notch or 3.

Really, read the whole thing, its very good.

Submitted by Lady Libertine on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 4:54pm

just before my blockquote

he said:

Consider, for example, a national student debt strike as a non-violent, anti-Establishment rebellion. At some point, people who see themselves as having "no economic future" and "zero hope of working in my profession" (as one early-30s woman, in tears, described herself to me at Netroots Nation) will rise up and just refuse to pay. This is a direct assault on the bankers who hold her debt and who have paid Congress to make sure her debt is not dischargeable in a bankruptcy.

Refusing to pay is an act of rebellion. Refusing to pay en masse is rebellion with teeth, just like the Bernie rebellion, except outside the electoral process. It will force a response, likely an angry state-sponsored one.

Submitted by dancingrabbit on Mon, 04/25/2016 - 5:21pm

I'll go read Gaius' whole post, but

before I do, let me ask: Why leave the kids
out to dry alone? Debtors prison is a real
thing in today's USA, and I am sure the
courts will be more than happy to
accommodate banks and debt collectors
dragging young people before various
courts in various venues to try to defend
themselves for collectively *refusing* to
pay regardless of ability.

If we're all in this together, then I think we
should be - all in it together. Otherwise,
TPTB will just pick us off one by one (as
they are doing now) and play off groups
against each other, Millennials v. Boomers,
Haves v. Have-Nots.

Consider it a thought-experiment, for now.

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