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A political thought about deontology and consequentialism

To review from this diary:

Deontology: about the extent to which doing a particular thing is a good-in-itself. Wikipedia:

In moral philosophy, deontological ethics or deontology (from Ancient Greek δέον (déon) 'duty, obligation' and -λογία (-logía) 'study of') is the normative ethical theory that the morality of an action should be based on whether that action itself is right or wrong under a series of rules and principles, rather than based on the consequences of the action.

Consequentialism: about the notion that the consequences of one's actions are the only things that matter about action, and so the only good things are results. Wikipedia:

consequentialism is a class of normative, teleological ethical theories that holds that the consequences of one's conduct are the ultimate basis for judgement about the rightness or wrongness of that conduct.

Now, clearly, deontology has the benefit that the deontologist actually believes in something. Sure, the deontologist might believe in the wrong things. I could believe that I am "doing the right thing" when in fact I was doing the wrong thing. But deontologists are generally people who believe in something, which is better than believing in nothing. This is a pretty important character attribute in an era in which there are plenty of people in all walks of life who in fact believe in nothing.

Creatures of money, on the other hand, are generally consequentialists, because they believe that the consequences of what they do is that they will receive more money. Members of Congress are generally creatures of money, because they feel they need so much money to retain their seats. But what if the consequences of having a political class which cares only about money is that we are in the world of hurt we are in right now?

Consequentialists, in other words, could be wrong about consequences. There could be some pretty sh#tty consequences to one's actions, especially if one is in the US political classes, and in fact sh#tty consequentialism has been the reigning philosophy of the US political classes for the past half-century. Perhaps Bernie Sanders and AOC were better consequentialists than the rest of Congress. But they were not that much better.

Deontologists, on the other hand, could be wrong about the rightness of their actions. One might argue, for instance, that there are right and wrong times to be a pacifist. We might not want to be pacifists, for instance, during World War Two. We might also, on the other hand, argue that there are right and wrong times to wage war.

HOWEVER! In debating the rightness or wrongness of pacifism or of warmongering, one is actually debating something, specifically the rightness or wrongness of particular actions, whereas the sh#tty consequentialists might conclude (wrongly, of course) that honest debate would be pointless because they have already made a judgment about the consequences of their actions.

In concluding, I might judge that what our era of history -- and I can observe history every day in this month's news -- needs the most is a big dose of deontology. What are our moral duties? What must we do? However, if I were to judge thusly, I would be doing so on the basis of the observable failure of a half-century of sh#tty consequentialism. We are in sh#itty consequences now.

So there you have it.

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QMS's picture

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I do not believe in either Deontology nor Consequentialism. These are made-up
concepts which have little relation to rational understanding IMO. If one is unable
to think a supposed dilemma thru in real time, what is the worth of such a mental
exercise? We are already being bombarded with way too much superfluous BS.
Sorting out life needs to be simplified to a realm of common acceptance.
Otherwise it is just noise.

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@QMS When the US and Israel chose to go into war with Iran on the last day of February of this year, what was the BASIS for their "rational understanding" of their situation?

did they:

1) consider the consequences of their warlike and destructive actions, rightly or (most likely) wrongly?

or, did they:

2) decide on principle that the Iranian government was an evil to be opposed regardless of any consideration of consequences?

The first version of rational understanding is consequentialist.

The second version of rational understanding is deontological.

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@Cassiodorus
They assumed that they were the "good guys", and that because they were the "good guys", anything they did would be "good" because it was the "good guys" doing it. This is neither deontological nor consequential, but I don't know wtf you'd call it.

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@TheOtherMaven Does "good" mean there's a good outcome?

Or does "good" mean good on principle even though the outcome will be bad?

I presume that the people behind Trump, being consequentialists, decided that Operation Epic Fury was going to be a quick in and out and that the consequences would be wonderful.

The reality, however, is that the consequences are going to suck, and that their notion that they are the "good guys" is based on self-adoration (and the idea that their wealth and power will shield them from the consequences of their actions) rather than on any principle they might claim to have (when it seems convenient to claim a principle at all).

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@Cassiodorus
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If it doesn't make sense it is not worth making
some kind of mental gymnastics out of the
proposal. Is that too simple for you to understand?
I can't think for outside powers. This is my rational
understanding period. Obviously not on the same
page. So what? You are proving something that may
not make sense to others. A strange argument IMO.

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@QMS and here I go back to the definition in Wikipedia that I posted at the top of this diary -- you believe that there are things that you ought to do out of "duty" or "obligation."

You, in short, believe in something, something specifically related to what you must do, and you believe in it more than you believe in any notion (which may be wrong) of how it's all going to turn out.

Does it bother you at all that your representatives in Congress and in the White House appear to believe in nothing?

And does that question make sense to you?

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@Cassiodorus
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Could make sense of your question simply put.
As to the usefulness of congress and their abilities
to address the needs of the population? It is being
proven they only care about $$$ from wealthy donors.
I do not know how that fits into your dichotomy of results
or decision making. Call me slow or simple. I need more
concrete examples to wrestle this one into an applicable form.

Thanks.

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