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Neutering the Second state by state

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Good morning everyone.
Another mass shooting in Rhode Island kills two and injures three. A transgender person goes berserk at hockey game his/her own son was participating in.
Kinda makes one go hmm.
In other news, Oregon is floating the idea of banning hunting and fishing in the entire state.
Aside of the devastation to the hunting and fishing industry, whether it be the guides and charters, the mom and pop sporting goods stores lakeside, or the big box sporting goods stores, the hit on people who survive on fish and game animals will be appalling.
Or is this an end run to eventually ban all firearms? After all, why would the public need firearms if hunting were banned? We have the police to (cough) protect us.
They need something like 117k signatures to get it on the ballot in November. Supposedly, they have 100k already. I'm going to do some digging this morning and see if I can determine who is behind this.
I mean, we already know it's not the NRA.
This is going to be interesting.
Otherwise, gloomy morning here with a dusting of snow to come later today. And two or three days of snow for the rest of the week, which we can certainly use on the snowpack.
I'm reading that in some of the back country of California they are expecting up to eight feet of the white stuff. Maybe end their years long persistent drought.
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QMS's picture

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to slow down tyranny is being armed.
It is not a stretch to imagine the PTB
want to remove that obstacle. Do not
see that working on the entrenched resistance.

Yes, here in RI there are crazies shooting mostly
innocent civilians. First it was Brown, now Pawtucket.
The reasons for the vendetta are both mental illness
and personal revenge for some perceived slight.

A sad reflection on our social condition.

Thanks for the OT.

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@QMS
is how many tragedies like this have to happen before it starts to look badly on the LGBT+ community?
Asking for a friend.
Thanks for stopping by, Q. We in the west are sending another storm your way, should be there in a couple (?) of days. A mild one though.

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@earthling1 @earthling1
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with the present regime quashing fed DEI initiatives
many will feel more isolated. More docs are refusing to
perform sex change operations on youngsters and those
procedures are being restricted by insurance companies.
Research is proving hormone drugs trigger abnormal
behavior. I suspect deeper psychological issues are involved.

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@QMS Considering some of the behavior I've been running into, it's...surprisingly unsurprising.

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In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.

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@TheOtherMaven
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with peoples' sexual identity.
Was specifically asked about
research involved with the effects
of hormones on behavior. That's all.

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@TheOtherMaven be subject to medical cocktail experimentation. Over time other fragile populations have become subject to federal and state regulations requiring periodic medication use review. The intent ideally to prevent the individual harm from medical prescibers. Drugs effecting mental conditions have a wide range of harmful effects.

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@TheOtherMaven I think you're operating on old tapes (and I use that last word consciously).

They've been behaving SO obnoxiously that they've thoroughly alienated me - and I should have far more sympathy than most. We're a long, long way from the days when even Trump-voters could acknowledge them as "gentle souls" (per a 2016 article in The Atlantic, of all places, which, oh gee, I can no longer seem to find the original of).

"Trans-trenders" aren't the lost souls who seeking sanctuary at the Stonewall Inn. They're not a logical extension of the gay-marriage movement. They are disastrously-misdiagnosed victims of a devolutionary, greedy, Kafkaesque, epidermisless, HUMORLESS cult born from an unholy union of COINTELPRO, Big Pharma profiteers, possibly Old-World globalitarians who think of this as simply a new means of gelding unruly cattle, and (H/T George Will) Lumpenintelligentsia who haven't left their ivory-tower publishing-circles in decades, and so assturbate up ideas and arguments for the sake of their own choirs with neither capacity for nor interest in genuinely new ideas or real-world consequences (I know the latter are real, I have taken some of their classes).

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@The Liberal Moonbat

They have been around, under various names and cultural identifications, for all of known history and longer. (I know, or know of, at least four personally, none of whom have ever shown any indication of going violently off the rails.)

The current question appears to be whether medically prescribed hormones are, in certain cases, doing more harm than good, or social pressures are affecting behavior, or
a combination of both. It IS certain that hostility to trans people (and other gender-nonconforming people) is on the rise, probably for nefarious political reasons.

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@TheOtherMaven Admittedly it's been a while, but the current President has gone on record as saying "Caitlin Jenner should be able to pee where she[!] wants". Fine with me, who needs sex-segregated restrooms to begin with? The alternative is nothing new either.

The nefarious politics I see are presently coming from the opposite direction, and while of course you're going to have C-list politicians saying dolt-y things to stir the pot, there is at present very little need for anyone else to defame Trans-Trenders when they are doing such a good job themselves. I would never say these things if I had not seen it with my own eyes.

As for the longer history and what that really implies, I don't have time right this minute but I'd be happy to get back to you (in fact, I welcome you to prompt me if I don't do so soon enough).

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@QMS The titles all sound super-broad (just "hormones affect behavior"); I was hoping for something SPECIFICALLY scrutinizing the kind of hormones prescribed in HRT, which is what your previous post made it sound like you'd seen.

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@The Liberal Moonbat
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I used a wide toothed rake. Requires a background in
neuro-science to put the pieces together in regards to
specific behavior patterns among any given population.
Which I do not posses. Wish I could find the study from
which I made the observation. Basically, in order to force
the body into mimicking a different gender requires an
assortment of hormone therapies.

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@QMS

...the nunneries and monasteries and two millennia of cathedral sanctuary and retreat. Not to mention the much longer prehistoric era of shamanism and paganism that held nomadic civilizations together until evolution and embedded linguistics could work their magic. Still not sentient nor collectively conscious. Not ready for the unified field.

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@QMS

that hormone replacement therapy has been prescribed for perimenopausal/post-menopausal cis women for decades now. The benefits and risks for this particular application have been thoroughly studied and are well understood by now.

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@TheOtherMaven over the years. Currently general consensus consider them safe, but there are pockets of dissent. The long-term safety studies which resulted in products in products removed from the market are currently described as poorly designed, not relevant and ignore the results. New products have been introduced to the market. However there are no recent longterm studies looking at the same questions.

Replacement therapy is not the same as transition therapy. Historical use of HRT can not be used to predict short and long term effects of transition therapy. Transition therapy often includes hormone blockers to suppress natural production of hormones with addition of hormone therapy of desired sexual orientation hormones. Complicating expected outcomes is the age transition therapy is started length of time the body used its own production capability producing hormones.

This patient population group also has high use of anti-anxiety, antidepressants, pain and attention deficit disorder therapies. It is a complex issue and deserves serious, thoughtful discussion if aggressive medical therapy is causing more harm than benefit.

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@studentofearth @studentofearth medicine I took for a decade post hysterectomy was determined to cause depression and was linked to cancer. When I stopped taking them, my mood magically uplifted, and I didn't get cancer.

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@on the cusp has primarily come from cardiologists and cancer docs. Mental health issues generally responded to by adding additional drug therapy.

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by placing veterinarians controlled by "best practices" and a new state governing board over all non-plant based proteins used by humans and pets. In a broad interpretation could also restrict common practices to control mice and squirrels. It is similar to failed initiative for lack of signatures from a few years go.

From the Oregon Department of Justice March 6, letter

Criminalizes injuring or killing animals, including killing for food, hunting, fishing; criminalizes breeding practices. Exceptions

Result of “Yes” Vote: “Yes” vote criminalizes injuring or killing animals, including farming, ranching, hunting, fishing, trapping, pest control, research/teaching; criminalizes breeding practices. Exempts some veterinary practices, self-defense. Result of “No” Vote: “No” vote retains current laws allowing farming, ranching for food, hunting, fishing, trapping, pest control, animal research, common animal husbandry practices, and accepted veterinary practices.
Summary: Under current law, activities that do or may kill or injure animals are lawful, including animal husbandry practices such as dehorning, docking, castration, or neutering; slaughtering livestock and poultry; animal breeding practices; fishing, hunting, and trapping; wildlife management practices; rodeos; scientific or agricultural research
and teaching; control of vermin and nuisance animals; reasonable handling, training techniques. Proposed measure would make those practices, and other common practices involving animals, criminal offenses if injury/death occurs. Criminalizes breeding practices for domestic, livestock, and equine animals; exception for “good veterinary practices” and self-defense. Applies to mammals (including vermin), birds, reptiles, amphibians, fish. Eliminating hunting and fishing licenses would remove funding from wildlife management. Creates job training fund for persons who lose livelihood due to initiative’s enactment. Other provisions.

A 21 min video I have not had time to view yet. Controversial Oregon petition to ban hunting and fishing gains momentum

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@studentofearth
Just the info I was starting to search for. You beat me to it big time.
Expanded nationwide it would create a vegetarian culture. And eventually, "You will eat bugs and be happy."
They don't call them "mealworms" for nothing, lol.
Thanks for doing the legwork for me.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
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@earthling1 bugs are animals

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I see it coming...why own a gun in Oregon if you can't hunt?
I never thought of myself as a guns rights person, but as time passes, I am. The 2nd Am. is the one that protects us from government breaking bad, and the government knows it.
Hunt and fish forever, friend!
Given the spate of mentally ill mass shooters, I think the medications given to trans might be a cause.

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@on the cusp
Very much like the body building steroids have been shown the create steroidal rage and other mental imbalances.
Thanks for the post.

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@earthling1 It's like a backlash to the War On Drugs and all the campy (yet in some cases honestly traumatizing) propaganda it foisted on my generation, but SO needlessly binary(!) in its own thinking that it's dead-set on vindicating it...culture-war Gog and Magog, each resurrecting the other with its own deserved implosion, keeping us trapped in what should be an obvious false continuum. No wonder Gnosticism's making a comeback.

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robot. The link included in the video description.

If you want to learn how to program your humanoids like this, join this on-site hands-on training here: https://www.theconstruct.ai/humanoid-...

To find the right model for you - check out Robostore

Unitree demostration during the Chinese New Year Gala is incredible! (4.46 min)

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@studentofearth
A thousand of those robots armed with firearms and dropped from a transport aircraft with orders to clear a military base.
The Russians could easily re-take Western Alaska especially with a little "Shock and Awe" to soften up.
If little ole me can contemplate this scenario, surely our leaders are way out in front of me, Riiight?
Thanks for the video, that was great.
America is sooo far behind!

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@earthling1
With enough money, I could conquer Alaska with these robots.

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@studentofearth ...and the high-end models...the SOLD OUT ones...

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