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Open Thread - Thurs 24 July 2025 - Bernie Finally Admits It!

Bernie Finally Admits It!!

Lee Camp has been on a vacation break recently, but is still posting once in a while. He'll be back tomorrow to his usual schedule. But anyway, recently he posted this short clip from one of his UnRedacted shows which, I think, is pretty darn important. Bernie finally admits that the election system is rigged!

Of course, we all knew this already. I guess when you are a 'rebel' in the government, you can't admit that it's all fake. Maybe local elections are not, maybe most of them are not, but I think the higher up the ladder the election, the more likely it's manipulated by whoever is in charge - with some exceptions. Some times the voters actually make a statement. Wonder how long Mamdani will be a radical (warning, it's a long interview with Hedges and Kshama Sawant) before he's taken over?

And, what's happened with the progressive indy media? The podcasts, the shows, the personalities? Lee Camp has a few words about that too.

As he says, 'Truth is meaningless, if it doesn't make money...' On the other hand, I wonder if I could get a discount on the grifter-101 class he talks about? Wink

Here's the open thread! What's up, whatcha doing? Reading? Thinking? Remember, everything is interesting if you dive deep enough, so tell us about where you're diving!

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Sima's picture

I hope it's a good day for everyone!

I haven't been able to stop by C99% much last week and so I just read OTC's post about Snoopydawg and Sam. I have to admit, I started crying, hard. Sam, live long! Live Long for Tracy! And now, I'm crying again.

Well, that's the some of the sad bits. In good stuff, it's nice here, garlic is being harvested, tomatoes are ripening, peppers are turning red, roses are still blooming, and we've got a moonflower (datura) growing on the compost heap that is gorgeous and dang, the lovely smell. Yes, it's poisonous, but we aren't eating it Smile

What's up with you all? How you doing? Whatcha reading and learning?

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

QMS's picture

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Further on up the road

Thanks for keeping it alive with your OT Sima

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Sima's picture

@QMS
two of my absolute favorites. Such a good song, makes me think of so much... dang, I miss my Dad. Thank you!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

QMS's picture

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don't know about y'all
but the crazies crank-up
whenever there is a "new" moon
So far it is living-up to expectations.

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@QMS

come out for full and new moons. Had relatives who were professional journalists and had professional journalists for friends back when we really had such things. All of them, in addition to looking into whatever stuff they looked into also routinely checked out all of the competing news sources and, at different stages of their careers were assigned for a while to the beat that includes the police blotters. They all agreed that if the reports to and in the cop shop and the items reported in the press can be taken as evidence, then the crazies do indeed come out at such times in much more than normal numbers.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris
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the concept of normal numbers
when I worked as a bartender
could always tell the phase of the moon
by the behavior of the patrons
regardless of cloud cover

BWANAGO

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@enhydra lutris
I bet it happens like this around new moons in the Puget Sound area...

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

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@QMS
I always responded to the full moon more, myself. But then, I like to howl Smile Smile

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

in 2016. He was doing exactly what I had been advocating for a couple of decades or so -- presenting the ideology of the New Deal to the electorate. It turned out that the electorate does not have anything to say about what the government does. Bummer.

I did not and still do not have antipathy for Bernie Sanders. I cannot get my nose out of joint because somebody doesn't slay the dragon that murdered Jack Kennedy.

The lesson is there for us all to learn. As some people like to phrase it -- the emptiness of our politics is "on us." Sanders demonstrated the absurdity of our democracy. I am grateful.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

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@fire with fire

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the bern seared any hope I had in electoral politics
on a federal level. Selling out to Hillary was the last straw.
Can not the politico's see how they are perceived by the
electorate? Guess it doesn't matter (to them).

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@QMS

I have no more antipathy for Sanders than I do for any other 21st century major party politician. Less than for most of the fraudsters pretending to be public servants.

Damned few of them could possibly disappoint me for the obvious reason that I expect aggressive evilness from most of them.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

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@fire with fire

So True!!!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

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@fire with fire

...where intellectually honest political statements were not well tolerated by the thought police. For an entire decade — from the time of Hillary's Presidential bid to the current year — the spoken truth about political events, past and present, was deliberately ignored, shouted down, or dismissed as a conspiracy theory. The media black-out of truth and logic became especially noticeable after 9/11. It went hand-in-hand with neoliberalism, the failed economic trend that showed up in the 1980s, along with the mentally-defective Ronald Reagan and the Neocon psychopaths that attended him.

We're on our third (or fourth) mentally-defective President in recent history — all of them succumbing to Neocon handling, disasterous diplomacy, catastrophic tax cuts, disastrous military spending, poverty growth, and public stupidity. The Presidents who weren't brain-addled, studiously ignored the corrupt activities around them. (The Kennedy legacy.)

The year 2025, however, coincides with the global ascendancy of China across every spectrum of human achievement — diplomacy, space exploration, science, technology, civilization, transportation, economic success, human happiness, alternate energy technology, environmental restoration, and education and literacy. China has also maintained regional peace through strategic weapons superiority — hovering exactly one scientific step above Western military capability, at all times. Almost every week this year, China announces scientific breakthroughs, technology advances, medical cures, and important discoveries. (I should copy them here, since they are ignored by Western media.)

At the same time, people are making truthful statements again, many about the lies and gaslighting abuses in the past. The US public, which has long been engaged in reality denial, seems to have regained an appetite for more truth. Even the economy is being reported with less deception. And the US war effort reports contain some verifiable truth, finally. Reports about the results of last retaliation-attack by Iran on Israel have become truthful (after the initial lies). The Western powers have learned a lot about those missiles that US technology cannot defend against. Now, Iran is gaining what it needs to achieve air superiority in the Middle East.

Historically speaking, first Germany, and then Israel, have driven home an important lesson about aggressive warfare.: When a nation elects an irrational monster as a leader, it has set up the conditions for its own destruction, by unleashing the power of Global Rejection. The US has yet to come to terms with this reality, but then a huge percentage of the US population is either in denial, or is suffering from mental illness. I would say that if Neocon Rule persists in the Federal Government, and if AIPAC remains politically dominant in DC, then sane families ought to get together and discuss a managed exodus to a better nation for a better future.

The vintage Constitution and the Supreme Court are far too dated and degraded to protect the human rights and current interests of the people living in the United States.

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@Pluto's Republic
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the only little quibble I have
with your conclusions is that
not all of the people are fooled
basic sensibility still exists
we may not be vocal enough
but there is an understanding
among us.
thanks for expressing

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@fire with fire
'Sanders demonstrated the absurdity of our democracy. I am grateful.' I have to agree, and I'm actually not against Sanders, nor do I dislike him even now. I doubt I'm voting again, because it's so rigged and stupid, and frankly, no one will notice if I don't. So, why bother?

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

orlbucfan's picture

running the DC circus now. It's called Florida the last time I looked. Been a political cynic my whole adult life, but I worked Sanders' 2016 campaign here in ECFL. I had a ball. I was born a natural positive though. I save the cynicism/negative realism for the crap that deserves it. I don't have too many years left, so I just look for, and enjoy simple pleasures. Like being a book and tunes fanatic. Smile Anywho, Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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@orlbucfan
like books and tunes? Great advice. Great advice!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

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@Sima Thanks for the compliment and your OT. Smile

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usefewersyllables's picture

permanently cured this reporter of any further active involvement in politics. No more donations, no more campaigning, no more doorknocking, no more phonebanking, no more votes for anyone associated with the Uniparty. No more interest. No more expectation of any positive change through the electoral process, during the remainder of my lifetime. That ship sailed in 2016.

And since there's zero chance of any non-Unparty candidate showing up in any national-level race, that means no more voting. Gonna save me a lot of time next cycle- doing that stuff wastes time, and interferes with my drinking. Let the younger people spin their wheels.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

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@usefewersyllables
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the results are already baked into the pie.
Whatever we do won't put a ripple in the ocean.
Save your angst for something that matters.
Ya know?

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enhydra lutris's picture

can upset the apple cart, but that doesn't advance any desirable cause. Chaos, in and of itself, is not a good thing and does not, in and of itself, engender progress.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris
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butt anarchy is my friend
it is almost like a laxative

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earthling1's picture

Anywhere, anytime.
Elect new blood every election.
Thanks for the OT.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

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@earthling1
When voting, vote for the new one!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

Bernie. He sure had me fooled.
I subscribe to Camp's substack, appreciate what he offers.
As long as private corporations control elections, we are screwed. The DNC and RNC should be illegal. PACS should be illegal. Lobbies should be illegal.
Thanks for the OT, chica!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

corporations. Ordinarily, corporations are prohibited from making direct political contributions to either party or to political campaigns. Now, if the DNC, a corporation, gives a donatin so a specific candidate, like Pelosi, how is that legal?

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris Well done!

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@on the cusp
Spot on. PACS, Lobbies, Repukes and Democraps. Exactly, all should be illegal.

Bernie had me fooled too. I mean, if Cuomo loses and says he's gonna go independent, and the Democraps follow along, why couldn't Bernie do that? He was supposedly independent to start with!

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so