Open Thread - Thurs 07 Nov 2024 - Napalm Sticks
Napalm Sticks
I paid almost no attention to the recent elections in the USA. Both 'major' candidates make me ill, and I will do my best to pay NO attention to Trump, just as I did in the past, ohh, 30 years. As for the Dems, and Kamala, they'll get no real support from me, just a shrug of 'eh' about whatever they do. Yes, they might do some 'good' things, I guess. It'll be by accident, or as a way to manipulate people or give their donors something they wanted that the populace likes too. With the Dem leadership as it stands now, they surely won't do anything good for the working class. Sounds kinda like they were before FDR took over and read the writing on the wall.
A couple of weeks or so ago I read this poem, called McGenocide, by Caitlin Johnstone (Snoppydawg also posted the poem here, on this site). It really hit me hard, maybe because of reading the book, Bringing Mulligan Home, about the man trying to find out why his father (who fought on Okinawa in WWII) was like he was.
Something good: A rose from our garden. Yes, it's flowering NOW, the pic was taken a few days ago. Admittedly, we haven't gotten below freezing this fall, yet. And usually we do that in mid September. A couple nights ago we hit 33 as the low, but... that ain't below freezing yet!
Anyway, here's the start of the poem:
CNN says an IDF soldier has suffered trauma
because he had to run over too many Palestinians
with his D9 armored bulldozer.
Says he can’t eat meat anymore
because he had to drive over so much human meat
(he actually called it “meat”)
and it reminds him of all the blood and guts
and bones and tissue that would come squirting out
when he ran over them.
The poem continues and is really good, visceral and true. So it made me think and suddenly this song sprang to mind:
Country Joe McDonald and the Fish - 'I Feel Like I'm Fixing to Die':
Now, I was only a kid when the first Woodstock happened, so maybe I can be forgiven for not knowing all the protest songs, but listening to Country Joe I suddenly found this other song, Napalm Sticks to Kids by the First of the Ninth Chorus, one I'd never heard before. I was too young to be listening to protest and anti-war songs when the song was written and sung in 1970 and it is definitely a song that would not have been on the radio, right? Or maybe it would have been on the radio, but not where a 5 to 10 year old kid would be listening?
Napalm Sticks to Kids is much like Caitlin's poem, in that it's very, very graphic about war and what it does to the innocent and the 'other side'. It's from the point of view of the soldiers/airmen/marines/sailors doing the killing in Vietnam, and supposedly each verse was written by a different soldier or airman. And it really hit me hard. The song eventually became a marching song for the military and that is so weird, and yet, understandable. Gotta make sure the soldiers know what they are going to be doing and are desensitized to it, right?And actually that is desensitizing might be a good thing in some ways, because military personnel should be able to eat McDonald's, i.e. live a normal life, when they come home.
Here's the first couple verses, and no it doesn't get easier to listen to or read (full lyrics are here or in the video below) :
We shoot the sick, the young, the lame
We do our best to kill and maim
Because the kills all count the same
Napalm sticks to kidsFlyin' low across the trees
Pilots doing what they please
Droppin’ frags on refugees
Napalm sticks to kidsIt made us feel so good inside
When the strong men wept and the women cried
But what we really like is the children fried
Napalm sticks to kids
Here's a video with the song, the video just has still photos with the music so it's not super disturbing visually:
Thanks for reading. Keep on keeping on, we've survived the election after all. Here's the open thread - remember, everything is interesting if you dive deep enough, so tell us about where you're diving!
Comments
Happy Thursday!
Hope the day is going well for everyone, even if there is depression over the election. I'm sorry for the lack of replies to my last Open Thread, I read all the comments, but I went AWOL for my birthday before I had time to respond. I will not be AWOL today!
We may have our first freeze tonight, but I dunno, it's midnight and 36. So it might not get low enough. Been doing a lot of raking and pruning. Fun stuff. So what's up with you? How's everything? Whatcha learning and doing?
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Naplm sticks to kids
I think that was in response to the photo of 9yr old Phan Thi Kim Phuc.
I think the dems are over. The same old tone deaf excuses are in the forefront of "reasons" the election went the way it did. Bernie bros, traitor dems, white men racist women haters. No way is it dem policies and ignoring the working class. Half of me wants to break out the popcorn and watch the show. The other half has nothing but contempt and revulsion for that pack of losers. Not to mention kicking myself for all those years of hoping things would get better. Stupid me.
Optimism is healthy
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falling into despair flirts with the darker side
which is perhaps where the rulers would prefer
to herd us. Resistance still matters.
This is so true:
'Falling into despair flirts with the darker side...' I think that's why I've ignored a lot of the election stuff this year. And yes, TPTB want us there, so much easier to control when everyone despairs and every tiny little 'advance' looks good.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Comments about the Dems...
Spot on! I remember back when Clinton was running and I told myself, 'Well, he's a dem, it'll be ok' but I knew better, way back then. And nothing has changed. My mom wanted Kamala to win because she's a woman and 'black'. And I'm like, why does that matter? Her experience (none), policies (mostly bleh), and all of that matter. Not her color or her sex. And I'm a woman! Just any token female won't do. It was like in England when Thatcher was elected and re-elected. 'But she's a woman, it's historical!' No, her policies matter and she sucks!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Ps
Thanks for the OT.
Hey now
Nam was a blight on the national spirit.
We are still experiencing the ramifications.
Patriotism and poverty got all mixed up.
Some kind of sane policy would help.
Still reeling from the election madness.
Kamala may have had a psychotic break if her
handlers had her convinced she could win?
Quien sabe
onward
thanks for the OT Sima
Sane policy really would help...
And making service so that all classes have to be in the military, not just the poor. Or, making it so that there is little need for the military... A pipe dream, I know!
As for the election, why did Kamala think she could win? Why did the Dems think that? She was forced upon them with no primary when Biden 'stepped back', she never won anything when she actually tried to be president and quit after the first debate in the primary, she's not got that great a record in California... If the Dems had put forward anyone with like... a good history of work and so on, they'd have won. So that's probably why they didn't, eh?
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
In addition to the things Biden didn’t do to help working class
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which I posted yesterday here’s what he did to screw them
And remember Kamala said that she couldn’t think of a thing she would change from what Biden was doing. Not a single thing.
It wasn’t just Biden canceling the programs that Trump gave us, but the he allowed that really crushed people. Homelessness is up over 12% on his watch. Did Kamala even mention that or anything that was hurting us?
And he started his presidency by deliberately screwing us out of $600 for no reason after giving the parasite class billions…possibly trillions.
Signed…yours truly…
Snoppy
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Schadenfreude
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Protest Songs
I don't remember that song either. Grew up in a suburb outside of Detroit. There was what was called an underground radio station. I'm sure they played it. But I also was younger than the average listener, a preteen around 12 or 13 when I found them. They also may have played it during the nighttime hours, when they would play even harder and more obscure rock music.
I feel so much empathy for all the people of Gaza. I almost feel guilty because I have a pantry full of groceries. I can't do much for them, but I can try to help others. I try to drop off food at the Free Little Pantry in the park at least once or twice a month. And I don't care if some "underserving" person gets it. I figure if you're having to go to a free pantry to get food, you probably need it.
Biden was just on TV with his cotton mouth. Can't hardly listen to him. He looks like he's well into his 90's. Then only thing I heard him say was something about "the soul of America." Whenever he brings up that tired old trope, my brain seems to turn off.
would that have been WABX?
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a great 'underground' station, remember it well
would listen to Firesign Theater before school
set the mood for the day
This is brutal!
I’m relieved.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Dark days in America
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I’ve been reading what IM Doc on naked capitalism has been seeing in his practice with the dem voters who have been driven batshit insane by the dem leaders and their mouthpiece media who have been pushing that Trump is a threat to them.
Yesterday the doc dealt with patients who had severe anxiety and depression over T's win. More today with severe anxiety symptoms and one person who was placed on a suicide hold. He’s very upset and worried about his patients and he says that they are upper middle class so it’s not economics. It’s just unwarranted fear. Trump was supposed to do all those things last time, but never did. Hell it’s Biden who has brought us to the brink of nuclear war!
Reading the shitlibs this morning many are cutting out family and friends who voted for Trump. No invites to the holidays nor helping them with anything they need.
Just read one guy saying that he will probably be committing suicide soon and describe how he will do it. Why? Because Trump is going to cut all social programs and dismantle social security.
Weird how they didn’t freak out about the many times democrats tried cutting social security. Clinton tried, but Monica Lewinsky saved us.
Obama tried, but McConnell saved us from the grand bargain.
Biden has talked about and threatened to cut social security his entire career, but shitlibs scoffed at the many videos of him saying that.
It’s despicable what dems have done to the base. As shown above it was Biden who cut social programs for the poor. Why? Republicans and blue dawg democrats wanted him to. Snip/snap! All gone.
Bernie says that it’s not surprising that the working class deserted dems after they deserted the working class. It’s not rocket science. But shitlibs are still insisting that the economy is great. I’m paying much more for groceries and gas. It’s been over $3 during Biden’s presidency. Oil has fallen and it’s still $3.49 here.
Biden decided not to crack down on the oligarchs who have been raising prices right and left. He left Powell in place after he admitted that he was raising interest rates to keep wages low. Powell destroyed the housing market.
But sure…fear what Trump might do.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Bits and Pieces
IIRC they have a large plant in Tennesee
I was, at the time, in the thick of it and never heard that song either
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --