Open Thread - 10-25-24 - Campaigns of Fear

Wow! Can you believe the fear that's being ginned up in this election? Sure, fear is a big factor in every election but this one is over the top. Who, that are old enough to have lived through it, can forget the nuclear blast ad from the 1964 election. That visual may not be aired this election cycle, but it sure is implied.

Fear is the tool of the powerful, and those that covet power.

It resides in the amygdala, also known as the lizard brain. As a primal emotion its function is fight or flight, or to put it another way, a preservation device.

Fear has been used by the powerful probably since the advent of social cohesion, the main advantage of humans living in groups is safety, the prime motivation after food and water.

The fear today is palpable. From all political sides of the power spectrum. Civil war, nuclear war, violent riots, financial ruin, martial law, cancel culture, prison for misinformation, on and on. We are inundated with that which tickles the lizard brain. Have you noticed that folks are being lead around by their noses?

There are some powerful hands that stand to lose and other hands that stand to gain from their loss.

Fear has always been used by politicians, but this election, 2024, is like a steroid injection coursing through the veins of the American polity.

Who benefits from fear? Those that wish to rule over you. It's the same old playbook since the dawn of man.

There are military campaigns and there are political campaigns, sometimes they overlap and become indistinguishable. There is a war afoot, it's a war for your mind.

Why all the fear? It's about division. It's about dividing We The People, and it's working. Both parties seem unwilling to accept the results of the election. There are threats from both sides. People are losing their minds over this stuff. It's crazy.

We The People are being manipulated.

Oh, and don't forget this is the most important election in our lifetimes!

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the fear may be palpable now but post election it may be far worse. Fear may be what's driving it, but greed and power is the cause, in my humble opinion.

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QMS's picture

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the divisive use of digital disinformation
shutting down minds left and right
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thanks for the OT!

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@QMS
Election Detachment Syndrome. I don't think it really matters much who gets elected, the downward trajectory is unstoppable at this point. This election is about which political tool decides who or what is to blame for the fall. As we all know, the finger wont be pointed at the real culprits, the greedheads.

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Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard,
It seems to me most strange that men should fear,
Seeing that death, a necessary end,
Will come when it will come.

William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar

And from Dune:
"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

Fear is one method of control. TPTB have been hyping TDS for years now, and it has been an effective technique. Many people continue to be misinformed about Russiagate and still think Russia hacked our election...and may do so again....especially if Trump wins.

I hate these predictions of violence and chaos after the election. That narrative might be a set up for a false flag...much like the Jan 6 psyop. Meanwhile we've got WWIII brewing in the ME which TPTB should fear.

My Friday helper called in sick today, so I better get on with my chores.

Take care and thanks for the OT!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout
that if Trump is selected he'll call for unity and kumbaya as all hell is unleashed in the Mideast. The Israel Firsters lining up behind him is a tell.

I also think that if Harris is selected she'll call for unity and kumbaya as all hell will be unleashed in Ukraine. The neocons lining up behind her is a tell.

It's a win-win for the MMC (military monied class), and a lose-lose for We The People.

Same as it ever was.

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@JtC
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....are Intelligence assets for the agencies. That's how our Overlords have always rolled.

That's what I would set up if I were calling the shots. And those two are the very assets I would choose. Overflowing with the right stuff.

Our Overlords have won every presidential election since I've been paying attention, so I'm not so sure why people are wasting their fears on a Presidential election.

It's already happened. The Uniparty always wins. If the President doesn't obey, they take him out. There is no way to change this system now. We're all in.

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....by Agency assets. I once posted at Daily Kos.

@Pluto's Republic

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@Pluto's Republic
it all seems so scripted, doesn't it? Some of the MSM talking heads leaving the plantation and actually asking Harris some tough questions tells the tale.

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@Pluto's Republic So disappointing. TDS is hard to kick. RFK, Jr. an intelligence asset when he has stated numerous time that the intelligence agencies killed his uncle and father? And Tulsi goes after Kamala and Hilary and is an intelligence asset? Your slumber continues.

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@Bring Back Civics the last person on the globe to be recruited by the agency that person says killed his uncle and dad.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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John Kelly said that 4 years ago or more, but the story is just breaking this week? And when many newspapers run the same headline…..

But you know who else was accused of being Hitler?

Thread reader where you can see tweets without being a member. Bush, McCain, Palin…..

And for gawd’s sake we’ve been stuck in McCarthyism for almost 10 years and it’s getting new legs. Today’s story is Is Elon Musk a Russian agent? Why? Because he talks with Putin…OMG a businessman whose company is in almost every country in the world talks to a foreign leader.

I’m close to figuring out something about the Kam. She often struggles to find an answer, but when she does she will do her cackle and then deliver a word salad.

See it here and maybe help me flesh this idea out.

Remember that if you want lower groceries you should vote for the Kam even though they went through the roof during her tenure….and if you can overlook a blatant, brutal genocide.

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@snoopydawg
is the MSM following a script or just hedging their bets in the advent of a Trump presidency?

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@JtC They have been flipped. Blackmail works both ways, and everybody has everything.

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@JtC

It’s why Bezos isn’t endorsing any candidate this year. I think the fix is in for Trump and this confirms it.

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going to post that "mantra" from Dune, but I see that Lookout beat me to it. It is very good advice. It is easy to say "I won't fear", or "do not be afraid", but fear is, as you note, fear is built in, an evolved survival reflex. The Dune "mantra" deals with that by acknowledging fear and telling us to face it down and get past it.

I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

That is, perhaps, easier said than done, but it is easier in non-emergency situations when one can stand and ponder and analyze - what am I afraid of? What's the worst that can happen? What do I do afterwards if that happens? etc. Though the mind can conjure up many other, more extreme fears working with terrors designed and taught by those with a special interest in so doing, for most of us the default fear is the fear of dying. In The Book of Five Rings the great master, Musashi Miyamoto counsels that "A resolute acceptance of death" is a fundamental key to the way of the Samurai. Many accomplished in the attitudes of Taoism and en would counsel the same. Once one passes that hurdle, it is far easier to dealk with other fears, for, in the end, nobody gets out of here alive. As another great master, the illustrious Robert Zimmerman, once said "he not busy being born is busy dying", so it is simply part of the process of getting on with it.

In the US we have time to think and election dismissal syndrome is the only reasonable answer. There are no good guys. There is no lesser evil. Nobody has our best interests at thear, as individuals, as a class, or as a nation. Both sides claim that the other will do away with our civil rights and both are telling the truth. The ongoing attack on our civil rights is bipartisan and will continue under both side, which are equally fascist, so prepare, but don't fear, which is perhaps the key to any and every threat that our politicians and political system can barf up.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@snoopydawg

They are all pulled by the same chain.

Unless they are an AIPAC insider, they have no idea what's going on in the US. Or in the world.

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@enhydra lutris
we are living through the greatest psychological operation in history, and that's saying a mouthful.

Perhaps tabula rasa isn't just a youthful condition after all.

Fear is a mind killer.

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and we are fear nation now. Aside from politics just about everything has a tinge of fear. Can we afford a place to live if our circumstances change? Can we afford a vehicle and afford to maintain it? Will a medical emergency bankrupt us? Do we have enough money to afford lifesaving treatment? Heck, you downshift the choices in food you buy at the market, and then poof! they stop carrying what you've grown to depend on. Now you fear of missing out. We fear any change, it's rarely for the good. We can't rely on politicians for anything except some degree of neglect and exploitation, and just hope they leave us alone. If they help some of the 99%, it's only by taking away from the other 99%, damn the consequences. It's no skin off them.

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@Snode
and it works. Just ask any authoritarian or dictator down through history.

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OMG! Trump is going to be a dictator on day one and he will throw all his enemies in prison!

Former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) has declared with authority that either you vote for Harris, or this “may well be the last real vote you ever get to cast.” I have long criticized the apocalyptic, democracy-ending predictions of Biden, Harris and others as ignoring the safeguards in our system against authoritarian power. Nevertheless, Harris supporters have ratcheted up the rhetoric to a level of pure hysteria. Recently, Michael Cohen, a convicted felon and Trump’s disbarred former lawyer, told MSNBC that if Trump wins the election, he will “get rid of the judiciary and get rid of the Congress.”

Recently, MSNBC host Al Sharpton and regular Donny Deutsch warned viewers that they will likely be added to an enemies “list” for some type of roundup after a Trump election. MSNBC host Rachel Maddow also joined in the theme of a final stand before the gulag: “For that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he’s planning are only for migrants? So, yes, I’m worried about me — but only as much as I’m worried about all of us.” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) was quick to add her own name to a list that seems to be constantly updated by the media. She told podcast host Kara Swisher, “I mean, it sounds nuts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy threw me in jail.” On ABC’s “The View,” the hosts are becoming indistinguishable from tinfoil-hatted subway prophets. Whoopi Goldberg even explained how Trump is already committed to being a dictator who will “put you people away … take all the journalists … take all the gay folks … move you all around and disappear you.”

Geezus! Remember last time it was Trump will not leave office on January 20, but then he did.

The doc who comments on naked capitalism said he’s seeing so many patients who have depression, can’t sleep or eat and other mental issues because they are so afraid of what Trump will do. All the things that he didn’t do last time he had the chance to do them. Democrats have willfully and happily made their base go batshitinsane and I don’t know how people can recover from it. Hell they got people liking people like Cheney, Bolton and the other war criminals that destroyed the Middle East, killed millions of civilians and caused the migrant crisis that every country is dealing with.

He was going to be Hitler last time too, but he forgot to do it…oops.

Look for another pussy hat brigade and the return of BLM if Trump wins.

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@snoopydawg

It's never too soon.

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@Pluto's Republic

Republicans impeached Clinton for lying about sex that didn’t hurt anyone and yet Pelosi refused to impeach Bush for lying us into 2 wars that killed millions of civilians and for authorizing torture. Yet when Hillary used her private email server and exposed classified information to the world the republicans weren’t interested in going after her even though she was running for president. But Pelosi trumped up 2 silly impeachment cases against Trump, but then republicans weren’t interested in impeaching Biden for his pay to play like Hillary.

But I’m betting that Democrats already have impeachment cases against Trump lined up in case he wins. Good grief can this country become more of a banana republic?

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@snoopydawg
while I go curl up in the fetal position.

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@JtC

Any chance of this happening? I’d loan you Sam, but then I’d be miserable.

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@snoopydawg
but, I've already got a honey badger that'll help me. Biggrin

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@snoopydawg
there is a german author who wrote a book about it.

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QMS's picture

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absolutely painless. Only 5 props on the ballot.
The individual politicians voted for I know personally,
except Stein. Easy peasy. Once again, I asked for a receipt
of my vote. They offered me a "I voted" sticker instead.
Does it count?

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question everything

@QMS I voted for the locals I know and support. On statewide races for judicial positions, I voted D or Libertarian, since they are a bit better on things like permitting higher damages against corporations, and might halt a wrongful execution. I left a couple of blanks.
I doubt any vote other than purely local county races matter at all.
The lines were long, 600 votes had been cast by noon, so by the time this is done, the vote tally will set a record for number of votes.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

@QMS from voting, took about an hour in total. I wanted a tattoo on my butt that said "kick me here for thinking my vote matters", but all I got was a sticker.

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have nothing but FUD to offer.

It has been a long time since a Uniparty politician offered something positive, in exchange for our votes- as opposed to pure tribalism and IDpol. And the last time such a thing was done, the positive items were all lies, in any case.

I now believe that positivity is never again going to happen with the Uniparty. That die is cast. The stage is very much set for third parties to differentiate themselves from the constant, numbing FUD, just in case anyone was watching.

Makes me happy that I voted for Stein. Gotta start somewhere.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@usefewersyllables
I get a kick out of all the promises being made, as if the country isn't already in debt up to our eyeballs.

If there ever was an election where a third party has a chance of making some traction, it's this one. We shall see.

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@JtC

like your tattoo idea…

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@usefewersyllables Has any one of you ever even considered that DJT is not part of the "Uniparty?" Hell, almost all of the Bush neocons are endorsing Kamala!

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is telling Democrats to take up arms against the Trump regime is Harris loses.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

watch for the return of the pussy brigade and BLM protests were the last ones caused billions in damages, saw 35 people killed and thousands of cops injured. Paul Craig Robert’s has an excellent article on this.

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@on the cusp
going to be battle of wits? Will that snakehead be a general? Will he go to war against his wife, Mary Matalin?

Like Smedley said: War is a racket. Carville should know.

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Especially since they are so non threatening as they work. Just amazing talent that they are born with.

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@snoopydawg Very cool, chica!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

I’m so glad that I got to watch them work with cows in person. And they are just the sweetest dawgs when they aren’t working.
I can’t even get Sam to chase a ball. Weirdest Lab I’ve had. Who’s ever heard of a Lab that’s not an idiot about balls and the game of chase?

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@snoopydawg and travels all over Texas to enter sheep herding competitions. Amazing dogs.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

but only twice and then she insists that I put a treat in it. Lil shit has figured it out. I put in the middle and have her take it in the middle, but now she takes it by the end because it’s easier to get the treat to fall out.

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@snoopydawg of the dog pack. It is why they are bunched and moving in response to the two dogs. Each duck is trying to survive and reach safety.

The Border Collie "Eye" is more intense than most of the other herding breeds. They can create the prey response from a farther distance and without sound. Simply an intense stare with the message you are my next target. (think atomic level Mom stare) Quick movements from one pressure point to another and drop as if preparing to pounce.

As the dogs grow in experience they learn to how target the group leaders and trouble makers to control the group. Loosing control of the group usually happens for three of reasons. First - no respect, the dog is considered weak and can be ignored or taken out. Sheep and ducks have very little ability to protect themselves and will generally move with little to no physical aggression. Cattle are more likely to require training to not challenge the dog. Once obtained they will move similar to sheep. Second - too much pressure by the dog creating fear up to panic. The dog needs to learn to watch the most frightened animal and back off pressure (Eye or physical) before they panic. Intense fear will spread to most of the group creating chaos with multiple types of responses happening at the same time. Third - the target animals are not naturally inclined to group and will fight or flee as individuals or small groups, family or close friends. Why we seldom see videos of large flocks of chickens being moved around by dogs.

Recent addition of a young Border Collie to the household is in early training. She is a quieter assistant than most of the Australian Shepards who had been my helpers since a teenager.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

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@snoopydawg
That was great to watch. Now, something to work on with Nikko. Doubt he'll ever be able to do that, but who knows?? Smile

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

The rest of the tweet:

Lula did this after begging BRICS nations in South Africa to admit Argentina to the group last year, despite the fact it was clear Milei, a slave of Western bankers, was coming to power in Buenos Aires.

Lula is either incompetent or more controlled by Washington than we realize. Let’s not forget the State Department backed his victory.

Venezuela's response.

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@humphrey

Brazil is dead to me. Glad they showed their hand so early in the process.

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@humphrey What we are doing to Venezuela is the reason BRICS is trying to come up with an alternative to the dollar so they won't be the next Venezuela!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

Absolutely asinine because that’s exactly why they created BRICS. RT has a story about just that with Putin explaining why it was created. Millie is a US puppet. Kee…riste!

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Related. All in for the ongoing Genocide.

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/10/us-f-16s-arrive-middle-east...

WASHINGTON — US Central Command announced on Friday that F-16 fighter jets have arrived in the Middle East from Germany ahead of an impending Israeli strike on Iran.

“US Air Force F-16s from the 480th Fighter Squadron based at Spangdahlem Air Base, Germany arrive in the US Central Command area of responsibility,” CENTCOM wrote on X Friday.

CENTCOM did not specify the exact Middle East base or bases the F-16s had reached. The nearest base to Israel is the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base in Jordan's Azraq that has served as a main hub for US air force operations in the region.

Earlier this month, a squadron of US F-15s arrived at an undisclosed base, joining F-16s, advanced stealth F-22 Raptors and a number of US Navy ships already in the region.

The reinforcements have arrived as Israel prepares for its promised retaliatory attack in response to Iran’s Oct. 1 ballistic missile attack on Israel, which came after the Israeli military's killing of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps commander Abbas Nilforoushan.

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@humphrey react when Iran blows them to smithereens? WTF are they doing?!

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@on the cusp

Hopefully Joe posts it. If not I will. If Israel does hit Iran we’ll be in another world war. And Netanyahu will do it before the election because either candidate will inherit a war.

Israel isn’t wagging the dawg. America has been fully behind the greater Israel plan from the start. Even before WW2 and the Holocaust the Zionists were planning on taking all of Palestine and other countries in the region. Back in 1930.

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@humphrey

Iran's hypersonic missiles took out Israel's fleet of US jets. No wonder they've been dragging their feet.

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be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris
my youth is fading before my eyes.

"What do you want me to do
To do for you to see you through?
It's all a dream we dreamed
One afternoon long ago"

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@JtC

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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'Oh, and don't forget this is the most important election in our lifetimes!' Such a true statement, right?? Smile Smile

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so