Maybe we really do have the candidates we deserve

After giving it some thought I've come to the conclusion that the presidential debate kind of does represent our political establishment. Sure, the American people deserve better than this, but this isn't about the American people. This is about our political system and our political system is hopelessly broken.
So watching a geriatric lifetime politician debate a professional conman felon is an accurate reflection of our political system.

I found this report on post-debate polling to be enlightening.

Sixty-four percent want Biden replaced on the ballot, 63% want Trump replaced....
Trump’s support, meanwhile, barely budged, perhaps a reflection of the fact that, while Biden performed poorly on Thursday night, voters weren’t especially impressed with Trump’s performance either. The share of likely voters who said they were considering voting for Trump after the debate climbed from 43.5 percent to just 43.9 percent. Despite not participating in the debate, third-party candidates actually gained more ground than Trump: Independent Robert F. Kennedy Jr. gained 1.1 points in potential support, Green Party candidate Jill Stein went from 3.1 percent to 4.2 percent and Libertarian Chase Oliver went from 2.7 percent to 3.9 percent.

Despite having the worst debate performance in modern history, Biden's support barely budged. While Trump, being given a green light to mop the floor, is so hated that his support barely moved either.
After canceling the primaries, the Democrats are now debating simply going back to selecting their candidate with no input from the public. Yet they will still voter shame anyone on the left who votes Green, as if they own your vote.
On the GOP side, they are rationalizing why their convicted felon candidate needs absolute immunity, something no other president in history has felt the need to request. This includes arguments like the SCOTUS just acknowledged what was "unwritten". So instead of pointing out that we need to strengthen democracy and that no one is above the law and Obama should have been prosecuted for war crimes, they are now going with "let's give president a pass on war crimes because everyone does it. In fact, let's expand it."

And then there is the MSM, which feels their job is to run interference for the establishment, thus becoming a part of the political system.

I'm about ready to give up on this country.

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QMS's picture

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His latest "Dark Futura" essay somewhat spoke to your point.

The Hoi Polloi Are Sick

https://darkfutura.substack.com/p/the-hoi-polloi-are-sick?utm_source=pos...

The basic premise is changing the political system won't matter much until society
has changed and it will take at least a generation or two to become effective.

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@QMS and I will read it, I've got to say that the political system and MSM has left the voting public behind for so long that I'm skeptical.

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"We need to organize with the Democrats. The Green Party will never have a mass appeal."

And anyone who was in organizing believed that. So, to all of those organizers who thought the Democratic Party was the path to salvation, I can say this: We tried it your way. You failed. You were co-opted into making excuses for a President whose foreign policy is James Buchanan-level bad, who is at best a pretend liberal (while having a legislative record that would make Republicans blush), and who now suffers from dementia. And that's where you stand now. You've been doing this for so long that it doesn't appear as if you stand for anything.

Care to try a different approach?

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

they didn’t give anyone a ‘pass’

what they Did do is lay out a
Legal path To prosecute presidunces
for illegal acts in office

how supposedly smart people get
this basic Fact wrong is truly
Wondrous

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

@Tall Bald and Ugly I'm just curious.

Anyway, here's what the Brennan Center had to say.

The Court’s 6–3 opinion — authored by Chief Justice John Roberts and joined by Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett — attempts to set out rules to govern prosecutions of any and all future occupants of the Oval Office. Presidents, the Court rules, “may not be prosecuted for exercising [their] core constitutional powers, and [are] entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for [their] official acts.” The Court notes that presidents “enjoy[] no immunity for [their] unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official.” But the latter assertion rings hollow in the context of the opinion that surrounds it. The Court has created an elaborate system of ambiguous rules that will not only ratchet up the complexity of the case against Trump but also erode the checks on presidential illegality. It is both a roadblock to prosecution and an encouragement to more insurrection.
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The Court has held for the first time that presidents stand above the criminal law, a radical rejection of a bedrock part of the American legal and political tradition. The idea that lawbreaking presidents could be prosecuted was common sense to the Constitution’s framers, critical to the ratification of the Constitution in the late 18th century, and a background principle against which all presidents have done their jobs in the centuries since then. (Fifteen leading historians represented by the Brennan Center and our co-counsel at the law firm Friedman Kaplan made precisely this case in a friend-of-the-court brief this spring.) The Court has discarded all of this, fashioning a new constitutional rule from nothing.

The procedures the Court has crafted to go with it are pitched in Trump’s favor. Whenever the case returns to Judge Tanya Chutkan’s trial court, Trump will be presumed immune by default; the burden will be on the prosecution to establish that he isn’t. The Court’s definition of “official acts” cuts extremely broadly, stretching to “the outer perimeter of [Trump’s] official responsibility.” (The Court refused to say exactly where that perimeter ends.) The prosecution must show that prosecuting Trump for those official acts “would pose no dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions” of the presidency (emphasis added). The prosecution won’t be able to claim an official act was “unofficial” because of the president’s motives for doing it. And Trump can seek another round of appellate review if the trial court doesn’t rule him immune. Should the government clear these hurdles, it won’t be able to use the “testimony or private records of [Trump] or his advisors” about official acts to prove his guilt.

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@gjohnsit an actual @gjohnsit lawyer in florida

What was the rule before the Supreme Court issued its decision? Well, before Trump, no president was ever prosecuted for a crime. Not for droning an Iraqi wedding. Not for illegal wars. Not even for jaywalking or running lawn sprinklers on a Tuesday.

Presidential prosecutions never ever happened.

Don’t miss this: before Trump, presidents obviously enjoyed de facto total immunity. The unspoken rule that everyone followed was that nobody can prosecute the President, or even a former President.

During the period the de facto total immunity rule reigned, the Supreme Court never had to address Presidential immunity. There were no cases; that’s how absolute the immunity was. But now that the Court has crafted a de jure (legal) rubric, Presidents who do illegal things can be prosecuted. They can now be prosecuted much more easily, in fact. Just not for nuisance claims, like the creative, trumped-up claims brought against President Trump, such as for notating his check stubs wrong.

He dislikes democrats so I left
off a lot of his rhetoric but looking at
it simply he makes a lot of sense

Look out Barry

edit; the guys name is Jeff Childers
he runs a sub stack called coffee&covid

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

@Tall Bald and Ugly
#1 This ruling created a "presumed immunity" that didn't exist before. Not presumed innocence, but presumed immunity. How can this lead to more and easier prosecutions?

#2 Your defense of this ruling is that presidential lawbreaking has always been the rule and this just makes it official. Do you have any idea how pathetic this sounds?

#3 Assuming that there will be more elections, you know that a Democrat will one day become president. So when he commits crimes with immunity, will you still defend the ruling?

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since No Presidunce @gjohnsit EVER
has been charged with a crime/felony
nod to Grant wm
means it’s been de facto Blanket Immunity

Now, at least there’s a procedure in place
whether anyone takes advantage of it
is another story

Your number deuce makes me LOL
yes Matilda have thats how it’s Always been

Your number three is a future hypothetical
that will literally take the passage of
time to verify if correct-and No
I’m not okay with Any crime committed by
Any Presidunce.
To assume I would be is gaslighting
Flick my Bic, baby

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

@Tall Bald and Ugly
So since a certain class of people have always gotten away with committing crimes let's codify it into law? Instead of reforming this, instead of changing this, let's just accept this.
in fact, let's laugh at anyone who thinks otherwise.

Nah, I can't do that. This is the kind of thinking that said "Britain has always ruled America, so why fight it? The monarchs have always been above the law. Why change now? Blacks have been slaves for hundreds of years. They can never be free."

Now, at least there’s a procedure in place
whether anyone takes advantage of it
is another story

Except that there isn't. In fact, you haven't even addressed my questions, much less my points.

Your number three is a future hypothetical
that will literally take the passage of
time to verify if correct-and No
I’m not okay with Any crime committed by
Any Presidunce.
To assume I would be is gaslighting

Really? You don't see your own obvious contradictions? You are telling me that presidents have always broken the law, yet you say that future preisdents breaking the law is gaslighting?

As for no president has ever been indicted for breaking the law, Nixon was nearly impeached for using the CIA to interfere with an FBI investigation. This supreme court ruling would now make that legal. Trump was indicted for refusing to comply with legal subpoenas for classified documents and knowingly lying about it.

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@Tall Bald and Ugly forget President U. S. Grant being arrested for speeding in his horse-n-buggy along a DC street. Paid fine, released. True story.

Nixon most likely would have been criminally charged -- conspiracy, obstruction of justice, etc -- per a Grand Jury looking into events surrounding Watergate. But of course he resigned and then soon thereafter Jerry Ford pardoned him.

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@wokkamile that was a set up @wokkamile to
ensure the CIC doesn’t get prosecuted

edit; nixon/ford

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

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I was listening to Len Osanic this a.m., and he had Jim DiEugenio on. DiEugenio said, talking with Lisa Pease, that she found out that Biden has been senile at least since 2016.

It also doesn't say much about the integrity of the Democratic Party to run him again. It's as if Trump has been ordained to be elected and bring fascism to the US.

I'm voting for the guy with the worm in his brain.

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