Columbus Day
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On our frequent trips up to the farm, we pass the Jefferson Davis ad hoc private memorial along side the I-5 freeway in Battleground, Washington.
It has seen it's share of controversy, along with the town of Battleground itself, which never saw a battle.
In recent years, a movement tried to take hold of destroying controversial Civil War monuments or moving them off of public property to soothe certain butthurt sensibilities. It came to a halt, I believe, because many if not most were removed to private collections and the revelations that Columbus didn't actually discover the Americas and instead brought disease that killed off the massive native population.
Faced with the prospect of canceling Columbus Day, removing statues, changing the names of countless towns, cities, and hamlets, and reissuing millions of schoolbooks, a compromise was reached.
Columbus was just some guy that sailed here in 1492, and we are to just leave it at that.
Except that was largely the point that most Americans think our history began, five hundred years ago.
According to Vladimir Putin's recent history lesson, Russia proper goes back another seven hundred years to the eighth century and civilizational Europe (the Old World) goes back thousands of years before that.
Lost in this mix of incomplete history is the fact that Native Americans had their own civilizations too, going back thousands of years themselves.
So before we decide to start rewriting the history books and destroying any more Bhutta carvings or middle eastern libraries, we should stop to consider that these icons are not always to remind us of our greatness, but sometimes of our stupidity.
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I am not
particularly enamored with Jefferson Davis as a great leader or war hero. But his stance on states rights is coming back to either haunt us or guide us.
I do believe a civil war is brewing right here in America, and states rights is in the center of it.
Whether it is border security, abortion, transgender athletes, or AI, individual states are aligning up on one side or another.
Although I personally probably will not be around to see it, I would not want my grandchildren to have to look upon a statue of Bill Gates or Mitch McConnell.
Just sayin'.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
The issue of state's right to secede
I do not believe history should be erased, but it should be examined, and once admired heroes should not continue to be in that glorified category once the truth comes to light.
We should stop celebrating Columbus Day.
His glory days are long gone.
Interesting that Battleground never was one!
Thanks for the OT.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The Battleground saga
is how we should all wage wars, everyone is too lazy the lug themselves to the battleground and goes back to sleep.
And then just call it good.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Hey there
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Changing the meaning of symbols is a sub-specialty of the brain wash goons.
Naming bridges and roads after politicians, then changing the names is pretty
weak. Disposable culture I suppose.
Thanks for the OT!
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
Yeah, I've noticed
that the much touted NASA effort to land a craft on the south pole of the moon was being played as a private corporate failure now that it has fallen over.
NASA furiously trying to distance itself from the debacle.
Someone forgot to turn a laser navigation switch on before blastoff.
Supposedly, we put 12 men on the moon and brought them back to earth, but 50 years later multiple countries are unable to drop a package there.
Humm......?
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Part of the problem --
-- was that the monuments were not just "Civil War monuments" but rather monuments to the power of the slaveholding elites, all of them erected at the height of the Jim Crow regime in the South, to reinforce the impression among the Black populations of that time that they were powerless. And, indeed, they were powerless, as the various massacres and lynchings of that time fully demonstrated.
"If genocide is not a deal-breaker for you, there is something wrong with you." - Nick Cruse
Agreed
Kinda like today. Their need to reinforce their dominance over us and our helplessness to change anything.
Hence the remark about Gates and/or McConnell.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Jake Bequette, candidate for US Senate
from Arkansas, has said military recruitment is down due to bad education. Kids see our American heroes as racists who did bad things to disadvantaged people. It makes them hesitant to put their lives on the line for the country.
It's hard to make this shit up.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Seems to me
lack of proper education drives recruitment for lack of better options.
Mr. Baquette is simply clouding the issue with crappy rhetoric devoid of intelligent thought.
Himself a product of subpar education.
You're right about the shit.
Thanks for the post.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Is it 2016 again?
Will the voters respond to Genocide Joe like they did to The Kill Crazy Lovecraftian Horror or will they simply give up and stay home?
On to Biden since 1973
I don't think
voting even matters anymore. Especially in Federal elections. I'm trying to avoid voting for the worst evil, but it's impossible to tell the difference.
Maybe school boards.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
The only thing I am sure of is
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Duh! I guess that is what happens when you live in the
DC bubble.
Whoa,
a senior campaign manager popped his head out of the bubble and took a look around and remarked: "This ain't Disneyland!"
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
@humphrey Not a follower of X.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I am not exactly sure but overall he was quite informative,
Or it might have been something like this.![](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/secret.gif)
Thanks.
Coming to America soon!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Wow! This just happened to one of my favorite accounts that
I follow.
I was led to believe that supposedly Elon Musk was in favor of free speech?
"Free Speech" for those who can pony up the membership fee
that is to say, Billionaires Only. The rest of us can be muzzled at the Owners' will.
(The older I get, the more cynical I become.)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
"(The older I get, the more cynical I become.)"
Might one call that enlightenment ?
Abel Tasman, who ‘discovered’ NZ and its Maori tribe
is not immortalised by a national holiday, but there is a lookout that I visited last week with a memorial to him. He named it Murders Bay in 1642. More recently it's known as the Golden Bay, an exceptionally beautiful part of NZ.
Here is a photo from the lookout ...
Thanks for that bit o' history
I'm left wondering if the Maori remember it the same way? Did they have a written language or was it all oral handed down through generations?
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
All oral
I'll look for any aural memories that might be available.
Regarding the Maori oral recollection
I am not satisfied by what I have found so far. But I did enjoy reading this ...
"After this encounter, the Maori people lived peacefully for 127 years with no contact from the outside world."
To be fair
From the history that I've read or am aware of, the Maori people lived peacefully for 127 years with no contact from the outside world, but had hostile conflicts between tribes, not unlike Native American Indian tribes.