January 22 is Roe v Wade Day

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 5:00am

~~ Roe_v_Wade

On January 22, 1973, the US Supreme Court Issued its decision in the case of Roe v Wade. In that case, the court took some limited cognizance of the idea that women should have a right to own and control their own persons and bodies including making health, medical, and reproductive decisions, but also held that that right needed to be balanced against the overriding interests of dominionists, theocrats and other religionists in owning and regulating women and their lives and behaviors. They accordingly granted women a limited right to choose to have an abortion but also held that these others had the right to forbid and prohibit such a course after the second trimester of pregnancy. This case became a political football with pro and anti factions using their support or opposition to solicit votes.

It is a sad commentary on the status of women in this country that the court had to step in and grant women the right to own and control their persons and bodies, and sadder yet that it was empowered to do so. Worse yet, it was also empowered to restrict and limit that right and, yet worse, it chose to do so. Lastly, a subsequent iteration of that same court saw fit, on June 24,2022 to overturn Roe, extinguishing even that limited right of self ownership which was, to an extent, taken for granted since the earliest days of the settler colonization of this continent. Deeply religious countries like Spain, home of "Their Most Catholic Majesties", Ferdinand and Isabella, and their famous inquisition(s) have no difficulty according women this fundamental right, but the U.S. for all of its braggadocio and posturing with respect to human rights and democracy, will not. While not completely chattels, at least, not in many cases, women are still vastly less than equal to their male counterparts, owned and controlled in their persons and bodies by courts, legislators and governors in conjunction with their parents during their early lives and their husbands later on. USA, The land of the Not Quite Free yet.

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On this day in history:

1879 – The Zulu defeated the British at the Battle of Isandlwana

1879 – The British defeated the Zulu at the Battle of Rorke's Drift

1890 – The United Mine Workers of America was founded

1944 – Allied forces attacked Anzio and Nettuno

1946 – Central Intelligence Group (to become the CIA)was created

1947 – KTLA, the first commercial TV station west of the Mississippi, began operation.

1968 – Apollo 5 took off with the first Lunar module

1970 – The Boeing 747's maiden commercial flight

1971 – The Singapore Declaration, one of the two most important documents to the uncodified constitution of the Commonwealth of Nations, was issued.

1973 – Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton granted women limited control over their bodies for the first six months of pregnancy (only)

1987 – Philippine security forces opened fire on a crowd of 10,000–15,000
demonstrators at Malacañang Palace, Manila, killing 13.

1998 – Space shuttle Endeavour launches to dock with the Russian space station Mir

2006 – Evo Morales became the first indigenous President of Boliva

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Some people who were born on this day:

“Money is a great servant but a bad master.”

~~ Francis Bacon

1552 – Walter Raleigh, imperialist ne'er-do-well who popularized tobacco
1561 – Francis Bacon, philisopher, scientist, empiricist, author and politician
1573 – John Donne, poet
1592 – Pierre Gassendi, mathematician, astronomer, and philosopher
1645 – William Kidd, businessman
1729 – Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, philosopher
1733 – Philip Carteret, admiral and explorer, discovered Pitcairn Island
1788 – Lord Byron, poet
1796 – Karl Ernst Claus, chemist, botanist, and academic, discovered ruthenium
1849 – August Strindberg, novelist, poet, painter, and playwright
1858 – Beatrice Webb, sociologist, economist, socialist and reformer
1865 – Wilbur Scoville, chemist and pharmacist, inventor of the scoville unit and scoville scale
1879 – Francis Picabia, painter and poet
1887 – Helen Hoyt, poet and author
1891 – Antonio Gramsci, philosopher and politician, founding member of the CPI
1897 – Dilipkumar Roy, musician, musicologist, novelist, poet and essayist.
1898 – Sergei Eisenstein, screenwriter and director
1904 – George Balanchine, dancer and choreographer
1906 – Robert E. Howard, author, created conan the barbarian
1908 – Lev Landau, physicist and academic,
1922 – Howard Moss, poet, playwright and critic
1924 – J. J. Johnson, trombonist and composer
1931 – Sam Cooke, singer and songwriter
1936 – Alan J. Heeger, physicist and chemist,
1946 – Malcolm McLaren, singer, songwriter and manager
1949 – Steve Perry, singer, songwriter, and producer
1956 – Steve Riley, drummer
1960 – Michael Hutchence, singer and songwriter
1962 – Jimmy Herring, guitarist
1965 – Steven Adler, drummer
1968 – Heath, singer, songwriter and bass player
1977 – Mario Domm, singer, songwriter, pianist, and producer

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Some people who died on this day:

There are no problems we cannot solve together, and very few that we can solve by ourselves.

~~ Lyndon B Johnson

1170 – Wang Chongyang, Daoist and co-founder of the Quanzhen School
1599 – Cristofano Malvezzi, organist and composer
1840 – Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, physician, physiologist, and anthropologist
1900 – David Edward Hughes, physicist, co-invented the microphone
1901 – Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom
1922 – Camille Jordan, mathematician and academic
1925 – Fanny Bullock Workman, geographer, cartographer, and mountain climber
1930 – Stephen Mather, businessman and conservationist,
1945 – Else Lasker-Schüler, poet and playwright
1973 – Lyndon B. Johnson, the last Johnson Democrat
1993 – Kōbō Abe, playwright, novelist, and photographer
2004 – Billy May, trumpet player and composer
2005 – Consuelo Velázquez, Mexican pianist and songwriter
2018 – Ursula K. Le Guin, sci-fi and fantasy novelist

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Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:

International Sweatpants Day
National Hot Sauce Day
Roe vs. Wade Day

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Today's Tunes

Central Intelligence (HEH) Group

KTLA TV

Walter Raleigh

William Kidd

Wilbur Scoville

Antonio Gramsci

Dilipkumar Roy

J. J. Johnson

Sam Cooke

Steve Perry

Michael Hutchence

Jimmy Herring

Steven Adler

Heath

Queen Victoria

Billy May

Consuelo Velázquez

Bonus Sam Cooke

I won't be around much - it's an infusion day and we're getting ready to leave town tomorrow for a while

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Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. So what's on your mind?

Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com

Open Thread, Roe v Wade, UMW, CIA, KTLA, Bacon, Donne, Gassendi, Gramsci, Sam Cooke, Scoville, Steven Adler, Heath, Consuelo Velázquez

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Comments

Submitted by Lookout on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 7:13am

Good morning...

Human/women's rights are not high on our list of priorities. We're more inclined to domination, control, and oppression. As we watch the Gaza genocide, let's not forget this nation was founded in the blood of the first nations peoples.

A sad day when the CIA was created. We've suffered the effects ever since...not to mention the people in all the countries where they committed coups, insurrections, and wars.

Thanks for all the music and OT!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 10:17am

Good morning LO. Yes, to all of that, and much more.

@Lookout

We were founded, we must always remember as a Patriarchy and an Oligarchcy; or a patriarchal oligarchy. We were also a type of sekret theocracy, regardless of the first amendment, which is why we've been plagued since inception with countless blue laws, including laws against abortion. When nearly all of the founders and electors share certain religious preconceptions, dogmas and assumptions, then express theocracy is not necessary, because is is by and large built in. Culturally and otherwise, the Puritans have worlds of horrors to answer for.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by wokkamile on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 9:17am

Re Roe,

back then there was a small minority of liberal legal experts who criticized it not for the outcome but bc the Court ruling stopped dead in its tracks the building momentum occurring at the time in state legislatures to legalize it or greatly expand the exceptions permitting abortion. On a difficult issue, the state lege route at least had the virtue of putting the decision in the hands of elected representatives, answerable to the people, versus the unelected route of a handful of unaccountable judges deciding what rights we have.

And of course with Dobbs in 2022 the inevitable happened, a far different group of unelected elites gets judicial power, a small group less willing to give deference to court precedent and highly ideological in the other direction, who decide they don't like Roe. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 10:37am

Good morning wokka. While I agree that Roe froze things

@wokkamile

I do differ to some degree. We have always been a Puritan Patriarchy is I noted in my reply to Lookout, above. Thus I think that:

the Court ruling stopped dead in its tracks the building momentum occurring at the time in state legislatures to legalize it or greatly expand the exceptions permitting abortion.

largely represents wishful thinking. Some states may have seen some liberalization.Here we re over half of a century later and upon the rendering of Dobbs many states rushed to outlaw abortion of reactive or reassert old laws initially voided by Roe, and, in the interim, many states have passed innumerable laws trying to make it as difficult and burdensome as possible to get abortions or even sound medical advice, and Concress forever re-energizes the Hyde Amendment.

Part of the problem lies here:

the Court ruling stopped dead in its tracks the building momentum occurring at the time in state legislatures to legalize it or greatly expand the exceptions permitting abortion.

part of the american myth. Representatives do not represent the people or even their so-called constituency, but their donors and owners and the ideology of their branch of the uniparty. Sure, an nagry populace can, after the fact, vote them out, but their replacement is almost certain to be no different whatsoever.

Meanwhile Roe was a restriction and progress stopped there such that right wing religionists like Hilary can say "i support Roe, it is the law of the land" when they really oppose it in principle, would clandestinely work to overturn it, and would certainly never work to expand or enlarge it.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by randtntx on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 9:24am

You note above

that Ursula K. Le Guin passed away in 2018. She was a good one.
(I like that Neil Gaiman gave the intro and award...just an added delight for me.)
Thanks for the OT E.L.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 10:52am

Good morning rand. Yeah, Ms. LeGuin was quite

@randtntx

an author, starting with her serialization in mags like If, Analog, and Galaxy.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by QMS on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 11:11am

Reminds me of a local friend

@randtntx

thanks for sharing

Submitted by randtntx on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 1:17pm

Thanks for that clip

@QMS , I enjoyed it....hadn't seen that one before.

Submitted by QMS on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 1:47pm

You are welcome

@randtntx

Ursula inspired me to write in a different voice.
Gathering the pieces ..

Submitted by randtntx on Tue, 01/23/2024 - 8:08am

Gathering the pieces ..

@QMS
Using the tools of the trade to best effect. Building with words and sentences. Another form of craftsmanship, which I gather, from reading some of your posts, is one of your talents.

Submitted by on the cusp on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 11:07am

Politicians have gotten so much

mileage ($) out of the abortion right, they have zero ($) interest in addressing the issue beyond election speeches and $ raisers.
Women are not equal, have never been equal, and never will be equal.
Because Jeebus.
We drive through Houston in heavy rains, head to Galveston for 2 nights, with heavy thunderstorms there the entire stay. I booked a beach hotel we have not stayed in before. Balcony view of the Gulf, although the balcony will be drenched the entire time. There is a bar and restaurant inside, so we will not have to drive anywhere to eat. I figure the prices on the menu will indicate convenience and Gulf view, as opposed to quality food.
At least Wyndham doesn't require my extremely personal info to book a room, so there's that.
Thanks for the OT, friend!

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 1:53pm

G'mornin' ot. Best of luck on your trip and soujurn.

@on the cusp

Sorry about the weather. Maybe you'll get lucky and the weathermen will have erred. Country was founded by well to do white males and the culture came from the Puritans and Calvinists, sorry ladies.

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by CB on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 2:17pm

Greetings

OOPS! Wrong date.

It's been a long time since I've posted.

Unfortunately, I've lost a lot of verbal fluency since my stroke in '22. Even writing this post is difficult. I have difficulty "finding my words" though my mind "knows" (sort of) what I want to say.

I've always been handy - repaired/rebuilt cars, did odd jobs when I was a teen. In the late 60's, I ended up as Manager of Product Development for a large materials handling equipment manufacturer (400 employees) and got them involved in CNC fabrication (steel cutting, forming, welding, machining). I also wrote software to automatically produce the G-code. CAD/CAM software was just being developed in the early 70's so there wasn't much available back then.

I ended up quitting in the mid-nineties after basically being responsible for destroying well over 100 skilled jobs at the company. Due to the union, I had to offer the skilled machinists/fabricators/welders a job in the programming department I managed. Very few wanted this type of work or were capable. They were 'hands on' people. I saw 55 year old tradesmen cry when I interviewed them for a job in the programming department and they knew they couldn't do. It's a completely different skill set. The company had to lay them off.

The original owner, that had personally hired me, retired in the late 80's. His two sons and daughter took over and proceeded to financialize the company. These assholes never went on the shop floor when they visited the plant - too dirty and noisy. The might get their $1,500 suits soiled.

I quit that soul destroying job in the early 90's and started doing home renovations. (To stop my mind from constantly concentrating on the computer programming and other job related tasks I had bought an old house and renovated it.) I still use my CAD skills to produce drawings.

My neighbours (previous customers) still ask me to do work for them. Last summer I renovated a 12x20 covered deck and 8x20 addition. I took me 3-4 months with the help of the neighbour lady (her husband was a total klutz). I've still got more jobs if I want but it's getting more difficult to bend over. I'm financially secure so it's not for the money.

My speech is permanently affected. I sound like a 'special needs' or drunk person. It is slurred and halting as I have to search for the proper words.

One of the interesting things I found during therapy is I couldn't come up with synonyms in the exercises that I had to do. But, strangely, I had no trouble with antonyms. So I just do an antonym of an antonym. But this only works when I write them out and it takes time to confirm if it's the meaning I intend. The brain is a strange and weird organ!!

This post has taken me over an hour to write. I kept getting sidetracked in my brain hehehe...

So, to make a long story short (or is this a short story long?), I'm still alive and physically active. But my verbal communication is difficult so that's why I haven't posted much.

One of the best videos that describes the historical background vis-à-vis the current situation in Ukraine and Gaza is this one by Nima and Larry Johnson at Dialogue works (this is first of recent two):

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 2:02pm

Good to see you CB and I'm so sorry to hear of your

@CB

struggles. I had a stroke in '23 myself, but it doesn't seem to have messed with my fluency much, at least not so I and my wife notice. I sometimes have to really dig for the right word, but I think that is just age. My balance, however, is totally fucked. I have tons of activities and exercises aimed at retraining and compensating and they are helping some, so hang in there and do whatever you can. Maybe start doing some of those ancient vocab builder drills and shit like that. Does it effect your reading, or just writing/composing/speaking?

Still, great to see you're still around, and thanks for the clip.

good luck, good progress and have a good one

OOPS! Wrong date.

It's been a long time since I've posted.

Unfortunately, I've lost a lot of verbal fluency since my stroke in '22. Even writing this post is difficult. I have difficulty "finding my words" though my mind "knows" (sort of) what I want to say.

I've always been handy - repaired/rebuilt cars, did odd jobs when I was a teen. In the late 60's, I ended up as Manager of Product Development for a large materials handling equipment manufacturer (400 employees) and got them involved in CNC fabrication (steel cutting, forming, welding, machining). I also wrote software to automatically produce the G-code. CAD/CAM software was just being developed in the early 70's so there wasn't much available back then.

I ended up quitting in the mid-nineties after basically being responsible for destroying well over 100 skilled jobs at the company. Due to the union, I had to offer the skilled machinists/fabricators/welders a job in the programming department I managed. Very few wanted this type of work or were capable. They were 'hands on' people. I saw 55 year old tradesmen cry when I interviewed them for a job in the programming department and they knew they couldn't do. It's a completely different skill set. The company had to lay them off.

The original owner, that had personally hired me, retired in the late 80's. His two sons and daughter took over and proceeded to financialize the company. These assholes never went on the shop floor when they visited the plant - too dirty and noisy. The might get their $1,500 suits soiled.

I quit that soul destroying job in the early 90's and started doing home renovations. (To stop my mind from constantly concentrating on the computer programming and other job related tasks I had bought an old house and renovated it.) I still use my CAD skills to produce drawings.

My neighbours (previous customers) still ask me to do work for them. Last summer I renovated a 12x20 covered deck and 8x20 addition. I took me 3-4 months with the help of the neighbour lady (her husband was a total klutz). I've still got more jobs if I want but it's getting more difficult to bend over. I'm financially secure so it's not for the money.

My speech is permanently affected. I sound like a 'special needs' or drunk person. It is slurred and halting as I have to search for the proper words.

One of the interesting things I found during therapy is I couldn't come up with synonyms in the exercises that I had to do. But, strangely, I had no trouble with antonyms. So I just do an antonym of an antonym. But this only works when I write them out and it takes time to confirm if it's the meaning I intend. The brain is a strange and weird organ!!

This post has taken me over an hour to write. I kept getting sidetracked in my brain hehehe...

So, to make a long story short (or is this a short story long?), I'm still alive and physically active. But my verbal communication is difficult so that's why I haven't posted much.

One of the best videos that describes the historical background vis-à-vis the current situation in Ukraine and Gaza is this one by Nima and Larry Johnson at Dialogue works (this is first of recent two):

—

That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by CB on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 3:39pm

The stroke hasn't affected my reading

@enhydra lutris
or comprehension skills but it has taken a severe toll my speech. I can think of what I want to say but when I actually start speaking I lose my 'words'. My tongue still does not work very good. If I get upset my speech goes completely to hell. Some times if I am having a complicated conversation with a salesperson I will tell them that I had a stroke and it will take time to explain things.

Submitted by QMS on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 4:34pm

My spouse is trained in that malady

@CB

If you think it may help, PM me and I will give you some info.
Good luck.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 6:45pm

I’m SO glad to see you!

@CB

I have greatly missed you and your commentary. Very sorry to hear about your speaking problems and I wish you good luck with it.
Thanks for stopping by and letting us know you still inhabit the world!
One person I can stop worrying about…well a little less.

OOPS! Wrong date.

It's been a long time since I've posted.

Unfortunately, I've lost a lot of verbal fluency since my stroke in '22. Even writing this post is difficult. I have difficulty "finding my words" though my mind "knows" (sort of) what I want to say.

I've always been handy - repaired/rebuilt cars, did odd jobs when I was a teen. In the late 60's, I ended up as Manager of Product Development for a large materials handling equipment manufacturer (400 employees) and got them involved in CNC fabrication (steel cutting, forming, welding, machining). I also wrote software to automatically produce the G-code. CAD/CAM software was just being developed in the early 70's so there wasn't much available back then.

I ended up quitting in the mid-nineties after basically being responsible for destroying well over 100 skilled jobs at the company. Due to the union, I had to offer the skilled machinists/fabricators/welders a job in the programming department I managed. Very few wanted this type of work or were capable. They were 'hands on' people. I saw 55 year old tradesmen cry when I interviewed them for a job in the programming department and they knew they couldn't do. It's a completely different skill set. The company had to lay them off.

The original owner, that had personally hired me, retired in the late 80's. His two sons and daughter took over and proceeded to financialize the company. These assholes never went on the shop floor when they visited the plant - too dirty and noisy. The might get their $1,500 suits soiled.

I quit that soul destroying job in the early 90's and started doing home renovations. (To stop my mind from constantly concentrating on the computer programming and other job related tasks I had bought an old house and renovated it.) I still use my CAD skills to produce drawings.

My neighbours (previous customers) still ask me to do work for them. Last summer I renovated a 12x20 covered deck and 8x20 addition. I took me 3-4 months with the help of the neighbour lady (her husband was a total klutz). I've still got more jobs if I want but it's getting more difficult to bend over. I'm financially secure so it's not for the money.

My speech is permanently affected. I sound like a 'special needs' or drunk person. It is slurred and halting as I have to search for the proper words.

One of the interesting things I found during therapy is I couldn't come up with synonyms in the exercises that I had to do. But, strangely, I had no trouble with antonyms. So I just do an antonym of an antonym. But this only works when I write them out and it takes time to confirm if it's the meaning I intend. The brain is a strange and weird organ!!

This post has taken me over an hour to write. I kept getting sidetracked in my brain hehehe...

So, to make a long story short (or is this a short story long?), I'm still alive and physically active. But my verbal communication is difficult so that's why I haven't posted much.

One of the best videos that describes the historical background vis-à-vis the current situation in Ukraine and Gaza is this one by Nima and Larry Johnson at Dialogue works (this is first of recent two):

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

Submitted by randtntx on Tue, 01/23/2024 - 8:12am

It's very nice to see you

@CB . I share the general sentiment here that your progress continues and that you are O.K..

OOPS! Wrong date.

It's been a long time since I've posted.

Unfortunately, I've lost a lot of verbal fluency since my stroke in '22. Even writing this post is difficult. I have difficulty "finding my words" though my mind "knows" (sort of) what I want to say.

I've always been handy - repaired/rebuilt cars, did odd jobs when I was a teen. In the late 60's, I ended up as Manager of Product Development for a large materials handling equipment manufacturer (400 employees) and got them involved in CNC fabrication (steel cutting, forming, welding, machining). I also wrote software to automatically produce the G-code. CAD/CAM software was just being developed in the early 70's so there wasn't much available back then.

I ended up quitting in the mid-nineties after basically being responsible for destroying well over 100 skilled jobs at the company. Due to the union, I had to offer the skilled machinists/fabricators/welders a job in the programming department I managed. Very few wanted this type of work or were capable. They were 'hands on' people. I saw 55 year old tradesmen cry when I interviewed them for a job in the programming department and they knew they couldn't do. It's a completely different skill set. The company had to lay them off.

The original owner, that had personally hired me, retired in the late 80's. His two sons and daughter took over and proceeded to financialize the company. These assholes never went on the shop floor when they visited the plant - too dirty and noisy. The might get their $1,500 suits soiled.

I quit that soul destroying job in the early 90's and started doing home renovations. (To stop my mind from constantly concentrating on the computer programming and other job related tasks I had bought an old house and renovated it.) I still use my CAD skills to produce drawings.

My neighbours (previous customers) still ask me to do work for them. Last summer I renovated a 12x20 covered deck and 8x20 addition. I took me 3-4 months with the help of the neighbour lady (her husband was a total klutz). I've still got more jobs if I want but it's getting more difficult to bend over. I'm financially secure so it's not for the money.

My speech is permanently affected. I sound like a 'special needs' or drunk person. It is slurred and halting as I have to search for the proper words.

One of the interesting things I found during therapy is I couldn't come up with synonyms in the exercises that I had to do. But, strangely, I had no trouble with antonyms. So I just do an antonym of an antonym. But this only works when I write them out and it takes time to confirm if it's the meaning I intend. The brain is a strange and weird organ!!

This post has taken me over an hour to write. I kept getting sidetracked in my brain hehehe...

So, to make a long story short (or is this a short story long?), I'm still alive and physically active. But my verbal communication is difficult so that's why I haven't posted much.

One of the best videos that describes the historical background vis-à-vis the current situation in Ukraine and Gaza is this one by Nima and Larry Johnson at Dialogue works (this is first of recent two):

Submitted by dystopian on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 6:24pm

Monday Monday

Hi all, Hey EL!

So EL, are you headed for the Mexi Rivi now? Watch for Yellow-winged Cacique at any well treed area, urban doesn't matter. Awesome bird. Bunch of great birding down there. Remember when you go from the Bay Area south of the border, the meaning of GIGO changes to guisada in, guisada out. Western Mexican food is better than eastern and northeastern for my pesos. It is the best. Have a great trip!

We have been spending an inordinate number of days in the 30's here, we did a 7 of 8 day stretch as such. Too cold.

Be well all!

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 01/22/2024 - 9:37pm

Good evening Dysto. Will definitely keep an eye our for

@dystopian

the Caciques. Have seen them before in Mexico, as well as their yellow billed cousin in Belize. I think previous sighting was in serious stand of trees in port area of Puerto Vallarta, though I could be wrong. Noisy ass Icterids.

be well and have a good one

—

That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by randtntx on Tue, 01/23/2024 - 8:17am

True about the cold weather

@dystopian , but we did get 3.4 inches of rain Sunday night....the most rain we've had at one time in ages. I hope it helps the trees and I hope you received some of that as well. I noticed a while back you mentioned the trees were dropping like flies in the Hill Country. I hope sometime when you have an extra minute or two you could elaborate. I'm curious and concerned.