09/11 Thru The Ages
~~ Arminius
Arminius was a chieftan of the Germanic Cherusci tribe under whose leadership some allied German tribes utterly destroyed three entire Roman Legions under Publius Quinctilius Varus and locked Rome out of the lands beyond the Rhine for some 400 years. The battle of Teutoburger Wald, the Roman Empire's Greatest ever defeat, ended on September 11, 0009 CE. The Republic of Rome was merely trying to share the benefits of civilization and the Republican form of government with the less civilized peoples to the North, who, for whatever reasons, rebelled at the idea and slaughtered the Roman assistance teams. Then again, the Republic of Rome was the government of the Roman Empire, which, like all imperialist nations, was interested primarily in exploiting the people and resources of the lands it conquered by force, so hat's off to Arminius.
On September 11, 1649, Oliver Cromwell and a bunch of thugs known as Roundheads captured the town of Drogheda, executed its garrison and slaughtered a lot of its civilians as well. This was a conflict between "supporters" of two differing tribes of Christians, one supporting somebody ruling by divine right (and force of arms) and the other supporting a divinely ordained and mandated "parliamentarian" government. Like crabs in a bucket, and neither side with any legitimacy, especially as to ruling the people they were fighting to control.
On September 11, 1697, Eugene of Savoy ambushed Mustafa II's numerically superior Turkish army crossing the Tisza river near Zenta (NW of Belgrade). The Hapsburgs, under Eugene, killed 30,000 of the invading Ottoman troops, including the Grand Vizier, dispersed the rest, including Sultan Mustafa II, captured the Ottoman royal treasury and the Seal of the Ottoman Empire. Eugene was free to raid into Ottoman Bosnia, which he did, and the Ottoman Empire was forced to cede Croatia, Hungary, Transylvania and Slavonia to Austria, This was a clash of empires over who would control Hungary, but it also had other effects such as Poland selling Kiev to Russia for 1.5 million florins, after having already lost what is now western Ukraine to Russia in a war.
On September 11, 1857 at least 120 members of the Baker-Fancher wagon train, including all of the children over 7 years old were murdered by members of the Mormon Nauvoo Legion in a premeditated massacre at Mounain Meadows in Utah.
On September 11, 1919, the US re-invaded Honduras. (We invaded Honduras in in 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924, and 1925 in order to maintain the US fruit companies' control over the country and its affairs, turning it into the original, archetypal Banana Republic)
On September 11, 1944, the RAF bombed Darmstadt. This was an "area bombing" using a combination of high explosives and incendiary bombs intended to create a self sustaining firestorm which would destroy everything. It worked, and the bombs plus the firestorm killed between 11,000 and 12,500 people.
On September 11, 1973, a US instigated and supported coup d'etat overthrew the elected government of Chile and started a reign of terror. Thousands were tortured and killed and thousands more were disappeared such that nobody will ever know the real toll. In addition, whitewash efforts began almost immediately and still continue, ensuring that untold numbers of survivors will never get closure. Until 2001, this was what 9/11 signified globally.
On September 11, 1982, the international forces assigned to protect Palestinian refugees after Israel's invasion of Lebanon left, facilitating the subsequent massacre of thousands of captive refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps by Phalangists
On September 11, 2001, some Saudi ex-pats living in Germany killed 2,956 people by using airliners as missiles against the World Trade Center, Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania. This, in turn gave a greenlight to US neocons to pass legislation like the patriot act and to start "The Great War on Terror", essentially an open-ended perpetual declaration of war against any target the US chooses, be it a nation state like Iraq or a wedding party or a couple of children of a vocal critic of US policies.
But hey! The century is young and there are still hordes of hatemongers and warmongers out there, so stay tuned ...
I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.
~~ Henry Kissinger
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On this day in history:
9 – The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest ended. The Roman Empire suffered the greatest defeat of its history, losing 3 legions and access beyond the Rhine.
1541 -- Indigenous warriors led by Michimalonco destroyed Santiago, Chile
1609 -- Henry Hudson discovered the people living on Manhattan Island as well as their island home
1649 -- Cromwell's army of thugs took the town of Drogheda and executed its garrison and a lot of its civilian populace as well.
1697 – Battle of Zenta: a major engagement in the Great Turkish War (1683–1699) and one of the most decisive defeats in Ottoman history.
1709 -- Allied forces under Wellington won a Pyrrhic victory over France at Malplaquet.
1826 -- Captain William Morgan was arrested in Batavia, New York and eventually vanished
1857 -- Mormons of the Nauvoo Legion massacred 120 California bound pioneers at Mountain Meadows, Utah.
1922 -- The Treaty of Kars was (maybe) ratified in Yerevan, Armenia.
1939 -- Canada declared war on Germany
1944 -- The RAF bombed Darmstadt killing 11,500 people
1950 -- Truman approved military operations north of the 38th parallel in Korea
1972 -- BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) system began operations
1973 -- A US backed & instigated coup by Pinochet overthrew Chile's democratically elected president, Allende
1982 -- International forces left Beirut, enabling the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp massacres.
1997 -- NASA's Mars Global Surveyor reached Mars.
2001 -- Terrorists crashed aircraft into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania
2007 -- Russia tested the Father of All Bombs.
Some people who were born on this day:
People always make war when they say they love peace.
~~ D.H. Lawrence
1522 -- Ulisse Aldrovandi, ornithologist and botanist
1611 -- Henri de la Tour d'Auvergne, Vicomte de Turenne, general, Marshal General
1816 -- Carl Zeiss, scientific instrument maker
1829 -- Thomas Hill, painter
1847 -- Mary Watson Whitney, astronomer, head of Vassar observatory
1862 -- O. Henry, writer and candy bar
1885 -- D. H. Lawrence, novelist, poet and critic
1893 -- Emilienne Delacroix, painter
1899 -- Jimmie Davis, singer, songwriter and politician.
1911 -- Bola de Nieve, singer, songwriter and pianist
1917 -- Jessica Mitford, journalist and author
1943 -- Jack Ely, singer and guitarist
1946 -- Dennis Tufano, singer
1948 -- John Martyn, guitarist, singer, and songwriter
1953 -- Renee Geyer, singer and songwriterv
1953 -- Tommy Shaw, guitarist, singer, and songwriter
1957 -- Jon Moss, drummer
1965 -- Bashar al-Assad, foreign leader we don't control and haven't been able to overthrow though we've been trying since at least 2011
Some people who died on this day:
Only an organized and conscious people can bring about a different kind of society.
~~ Salvador Allende
1843 -- Joseph Nicollet, astronomer, cartographer, mathematician, mapped Upper Missippi River basin.
1950 -- Jan Smuts, politician
1957 -- Mary Proctor, astronomer, astronomy book author
1971 -- Nikita Khrushchev, big Disney fan
1972 -- Max Fleischer, cartoonist
1973 -- Salvador Allende, Chile's elected leftist president who the US had deposed and killed because leftist president
1987 -- Peter Tosh, singer, songwriter and guitarist
2001 -- Casualties of the 9/11 attacks
2014 -- Bob Crewe, singer, songwriter and producer
2016 -- Alexis Arquette, actress, activist, musician and cabaret performer
2020 – Toots Hibbert, singer and songwriter
Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:
Emergency Number Day (USA)
National Day of Service and Remembrance (USA)
Today's Tunes
Eleven (in 11/8 time,fwiw)
Henry Hudson
BART
Kissinger's gofer, el asesino Augusto Pinochet
Mars Global Surveyor
Ulisse Aldrovandi
Jimmie Davis; Governor of Louisiana
Bola de Nieve
Jack Ely
Dennis Tufano
John Martyn
Renee Geyer
Tommy Shaw
Jon Moss
Salvadore Allende
Peter Tosh
Bob Crewe
Toots Hibbert
911 Bonus:
Ok, it's an open thread, so it's up to you folks now. So what's on your mind?
Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com
Comments
Good morning...
Got the first rain of the month last evening...about 0.5".
Well 9/11 has been an eventful war generating date it seems. Too bad humans are driven toward conflict and away from cooperation.
Thanks for all the music and the OT. Have a good day everyone!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good morning LO, thanks for reading. Sounds like a reasonable
amount of rain, sure could use it here, but we'll likely get plenty soon enough.
Cooperation involves sharing, which seems to be repugnant to some.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, EL!
What a bloody mess this day has been. Maybe peace and tranquility might break out today. If it did, it would not be remembered or celebrated. Armistice Day isn't on the calendar anymore.
Take care, and I hope your health improves by the day.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Good morning otc. Today seems particularly bloody, and
perhaps it is, a lot of the wars and killings were of a large scale, but if you pick nearly any day at random and get a sufficiently detailed chronology you'll find a great number of wars, assassinations, and other killings.
Thanks for the good wishes, I'm working on it.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
If we can alter the thinking about 911
It may be a (mentally) health improvement.
My big question all along this lone and distant hi way
is how the 'patriot act' came into being in such a short
time frame after the planes hitting the towers?
reminds me of my biking days ..
thanks for the OT on another Monday!
question everything
Good morning QMS. My first reaction to our 9/11 was
"Reichstag Fire?". Sure as shit, the oligarchs and elites wasted no time in using it to ram through such a clawback of our rights a they could muster and invent new powers and authorities for themselves. Then they declared open-ended war on anybody and everybody to give them grounds to impose even further tyrranies. Those people, that class, are always looking for any opportunity to do so.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
yeah, we basically got screwed by the patriot act
any reason to diminish the former rights of a democratic nation is fair
game for the ruling class. Wasn't is bush junior that said the constitution
is just a piece of paper? When the rulers use that 'piece of paper' to wipe
their collect asses, it seems to lose its validity. Just saying.
question everything
The Act was pre-written ready to go through the legislative
process prior to 9/11. Interesting fact from an The Intercept article, April 27, 2021 1996: Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act
Briefly mentioned in today's interview
9/11 Remembered - What We've Never Been Told w/Ray McGovern (23:51)
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Yeah, that is what I thought
Hadn't seen any documented evidence of it before, but it plays out that this was a
pre-planned venture. Like Covid is now. Building vaxx'es before the next release.
People with a modicum of reasoning can see it happening in real time.
The pretext to the global war on terrorism had plans to make boo coop of monies.
It worked, for what it is worth.
question everything
A documentary about 9/11
and an article from April about new evidence recently uncovered:
https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/peace-war-and-911-a-great-new-d...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Monday Monday
Hi all, Hey EL! Hope all is well on the western resistance front.
Zeiss was the man. There went a glass grindin' genius. One of their high-end binocs is in the top 3 or 4 types chosen by the best of the best birders. Was top 3 for a long time. I have a 1955 Telemegor 400mm lens from Germany, they were the cat's meow, Zeiss glass.
Thanks for all the great history! Not mention the OT and great music.
This might be the last regular 45 I ever bought, besides a couple picture disks.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
you must be younger than me
the last 45 I got was Petula Clark
but I grew up (sorta) in the country
tanks
question everything
great tune
That is a great song, always loved it. Actually I quit buying them long before, for the most part in the earliest 70's. It was a one-off, but Jagger was on it so I wanted a copy. I'm a '55 model.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
just an old 55' model my own bad self
always like this tune for that reason
somehow, the cars (and people) were classier then
the 55' ford and chevy being examples
question everything
Tell me. Ages ago I was looking to upgrade/replace my
binos and couldn't find any I really liked that much. A large sporting goods store was going out of business so I dropped in, they had one pair of Zeiss left in the store, 8x40 B T* p*, used for demo. I looked thru them and I think I uttered an audible wow and, of course, bought them. Many years later my wife was going thru the same process and just didn't want to spend that much bread so she was trying huge numbers of the next tier down when I told her that since she knew she wouldn't buy them anyway, to just look thru a pair of 10 X 42 at a store out in the next county. She did and just couldn't put them down and definitely couldn't go back to any of those other ones. Definitely fine glass.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
be careful
you could fall through those bins!
That was the line I heard a few times about them, and the B & L Elites I use. Dang glass is sooo good if you are not careful you could fall through them! 
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein