Open Thread - Thurs 12 Jan 2023 - Shaking My Head
Just Shaking My Head:
Sometimes all I can do is shake my head when reading analyses of the 'news' which is pumped out to us daily.
Recently there was a great feel good story about the police in Indianapolis finding a little kid who was kidnapped and left for a couple of days in an abandoned stolen car outside a pizza joint. Lots of news outlets reported on the story, here's a report from a local station: WishTV. Basically, there were two twin boys in the back seat of a car stolen several days earlier in Columbus, Ohio. One of the twins was found fairly quickly, after having been left in a parking lot at the Dayton airport. The second twin was missing for days until found by, according to the original news stories, the police outside the pizza joint in the original stolen, and now abandoned, car. This story was published in several news outlets, such as CNN (original story here, updated story after they added in information about the two women rescuers a few days after the original publication).
But a deeper dive, such as done by Luke O'Neil writing on his substack called 'Welcome to Hellworld' reveals a much different story. It wasn't the police who found the child, it was two women who couldn't even get the police to help them who found both the kidnapper AND the baby boy because of their dogged determination. Many of the news outlets got this wrong (see O'Neil's piece for some examples) but some news outlets got this right. For example: here's a piece from the IndyStar which talks about the two women heroes (how the IndyStar got the piece).
Pic of the baby and an the officer with one of the rescuing hero women in the background (Shyann Delmar). Her cousin, Mecka Curry, took the photo which was used by all the news outlets
I suggest reading O'Neil's substack story on this, if you haven't already (link above). He goes into several other examples of the news turning things in favor of the police. It all makes me livid, but I have to shrug and shake my head in disbelief because there's not much else I can do.
Have you been seeing any nonsense like this (it doesn't have to be about the police, although it often is) in the news? Have any antidotes for the way the news throws us biased reporting? I try to read different news outlets, both right and left, to get an overall picture, but, obviously, the stories are still slanted in a way approved by TPTB. I also read work by marginalized journalists like Mate, Greenwald, Tiabbi, and O'Neil, etc, to get a better understanding of what is happening. I would love to read about any examples of the slanting, and antidotes to that slanting, you have in the comments!
A Fun Goat Pic:
Here's our young goat, Peaches, with one of our young roosters, Tiny, on her back. This was from 2014. We went through a stage where we had chicks that were bred and then hatched on the farm. Those chicks turned into chickens which really liked the goats, and the goats seemed to like them in return. The chickens would jump on the goat, ride around the pasture, and pick bugs off the goats as they rode. Tiny did his job as a roo', defending his hens, and passed away when he was about 5. Peaches is still with us!
So, thanks for reading and here's the open thread - and remember, everything is interesting if you dive deep enough, so tell us about where you're diving!
Comments
Hello!
How's the winter rains treating ya? It's wet here, some flooding, but nothing like those in CA are getting... yikes. Our goats haven't been out in the field for a week, too wet. Goats don't like wet. They like snow! Kinda.
Let us know what's up, and how you are doing, and all that! Looking forward to reading your comments! And have a great weekend!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Good morning
Cute goat and rooster image. Just riding along, singing my song ..
Sometimes Naked Capitalism will post two stories side by side to show
how issues can be slanted one way and another. They generally come to
conclusions which are quite different. The diabolical nature of the MSM
spin machine is a homogenized bombardment of only one viewpoint,
apparently dictated by the spinmeisters in charge. Personally don't listen
to the feeds, but get indications from commentary at various independent
sites.
thanks for posting!
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Love the goat pics!
And the link to the pictures site. Your comment is spot on, thanks. I too don't listen to the feeds much, it's just too soul numbing. After not watching TV for 20+ years, the slants are really visible.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Good morning...
Anytime I've been involved in a event covered by the media, they get it wrong. The MSM creates more news than it reports. The spin machine is on high.
I find the reporters you mention to be real journalists. I also like Alex Christoforou and The Duran. Plus I usually read the Scheerpost.com, Moon of Alabama, Caity Johnstone, Automaticearth, and antiwar.com (among others).
We're due a storm today with high winds. Already had 3.3" this month so far. So battening the hatches and laying low.
Thanks for the OT!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Thanks for your comment and..
adding in other good sources I forgot to mention. I read them all quite often. Hope your day rocked!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
new development on the Rus / Uke conflict
The RFA has launched a major naval fleet into the Black Sea.
Subs and battleships with support vessels. This could get ugly.
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Good morning
Black Sea movement above in your post, QMS. A good time to note that the Black Sea joins up to the Mediterranean in the Bosporus Straits. Yes, Turkey. An enigmatic ally and a NATO member.
Now we see the Russian Navy moving into the English Channel and then into the Atlantic Ocean.
Last week we discussed how the Admiral Gorshkov carried Zircons which are hypersonic missiles.
Only China and Russia have these low flying very fast weapons. The US talks and dreams about having them someday.
Hypersonic missiles eliminate the need for nuclear because they can destroy limited objectives, not entire species and the planet.
I think that the Russians are sending a clear message as they move their ships into the Black Sea and the Atlantic.
The Bear is saying "Back off now, NATO, We've got this covered." Time for Poking the Bear has run out.
NYCVG
releasing their naval weapons is advertised
agree with your assessment
this can be seen as an effort to scatter their fleet for defensive strategies or
an offensive maneuver to counter NATO, Polish and Ukie movements off shore.
Many moving parts.
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I just hope that
there's no rabid imbecilic warhawk on the Joint Chiefs who will think "Hey, the whole Black Sea fleet is now offshore in international waters, so we can sink 'em all at once without having to actually torch one of their bases on their soil while they are alongside...".
Hope springs eternal, anyway. However, I'm hanging my dress clothing by the back door again, and making sure than I have my Manhattan makings close at hand. My wife has learned to tolerate this reitual.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Playing a stronger hand
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No rabid Imbecilic Warhawk
on the joint chiefs of staff? Maybe there's a possibility. I dunno, I'm doubtful, I think they are all rabid warhawks from time to time, sadly.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
America ain’t going to back off
I hope Russia left some ships in the area to protect Crimea.
The West Signals Support for Ethnic Cleansing in Crimea
Reminds me of what Putin said to Obama after Crimea voted to stay with Russia.
Obama: Hey we wanted to take over the port at Sebastopol!
Putin: Crimea river it’s ours.
But seriously is Clark that deluded or is he just making crap up so that his masters in defense industries can make more money from blood and death? I’m sick of our money going to kill people who are no threat to us. Wish I knew how we could stop this bloody cycle.
Wesley Clark
is a media puppet general.
He speaks for the continued profitability of the Military Industrial Complex.
No need to pay attention to what he says or writes.
All propaganda for which he is richly rewarded.
NYCVG
Wesley Clark quote...
Made me gag. Usually does when I read stuff he said. He's such a puppet. But then, aren't they all? As for ethnic cleansing, no western country, not one, has the right to say another will do it, or what it will be. They've all engaged in it at one time or another.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
I agree too
This is a clear message. I don't pay attention to the Ukraine stuff much, I have to admit. It's because I don't have time to sort through it, so I had no idea they had ship(s) go through the English Channel. What a signal!!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Maybe the possible ugly
will make the US and allies back off. Maybe we can stay the hell out of Ukraine. I doubt it though, so it gets scarier and scarier without any real reason.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
More Goats
Never knew this existed.
"Goat Simulator Free is the latest in goat simulation technology, bringing next-gen goat simulation to YOU. You no longer have to fantasize about being a goat, your dreams have finally come true!
Goat Simulator Free is all about causing as much destruction as you possibly can as a goat. It has been compared to an old-school skating game, except instead of being a skater, you're a goat, and instead of doing tricks, you wreck stuff. When it comes to goats, not even the sky is the limit, as you can probably just bug through it and crash the game."
My dream has never been to be a goat. I would just like to get a couple more for pets, but I have some medical issues right now. I caught a cold/sinus infection at the hospital 6 weeks ago and have not been able to get rid of it. It gets better than flairs up again. I think the weather has something to do with it. When it goes down to the 30's at night and then 70 or more in the day, it's like my sinuses can't keep up.
sorry to hear of the sinus issues
we use saline spray and steam
The game you name is weird. Goats are more than just destructive. My version, if you wanna
be a goat) is to climb rocks, ride horses, to leap and speak. A better game?
good luck
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Also use saline spray..
It works! It was a bit of a struggle when I first moved to using only saline spray 15 or 20 years ago. I was addicted to spray decongestant. My mother and sister still use that constantly. But I got myself off it and now I don't snore, don't have too many problems even when I have a cold.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
@Enchantress Not a doctor or a
Not a doctor or a thespian but- I fought a recurring sinus infection for monthes before it subsided, occasionally short term flare ups.
But after Covid was a thing, it turned up and I must have had to see a doctor to justify my sick leave. At that point I was handed antibiotics and steroids to address the problem (because they cant be sure which will work) and it was a great moment.
Highly recommend going to someone who will offer you this treatment.
Im certain it is ubiquitous.
The discomforting pain is outrageous.
I dont believe I have dealt with it since.
A secretary of mine
ignored her sinus infection, figured it was pollen related. Then, the infection go into an ear.
Hope you can get whatever treatment will work, and to add to other suggestions here, I use a Netti bowl if my sinuses get really clogged. Never had to do that, but COVID has changed things.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The goat simulator thing rocks...
Our goats have never been that destructive, but... boy, do they like to bash heads with one another and so on. Instead, our goats are smart, as in, watch how the human manipulates the locks to open the barn doors and then imitate that manipulation with their mouths and that's it, they are out in the blackberry brambles up the driveway!
Hope the sinus problems go away quickly. I've noticed as I've gotten older that more and more things that either didn't affect me, or took only a day or two to resolve, now take weeks, or months, or even years. It Sucks! But then, doesn't a lot of getting old suck? I'll be posting more pics of goats on and off again just to cheer us all up
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Good morning.
Adam Johnson uses the term "Copaganda" - dont know if he coined it. Cops post cute pics of themselves coddling kids, pets etc.
There was a viral image of this frightened Black kid hugging a white police officer few years ago (during some BlackLivesMatter protest IIRC). Ta Nehisi Coates mentions in his memoir how lamestream media dimwits were rubbing that in his face asking why he doesn't clap louder because of this one white police officer.
Police not only NOT help children but actually harm them & their families. It is as old as the hills. From 1928
More details here
Good Grief,
the story of Cristin Collins and her son is insane. And she won a judgement against the cop, and he never paid? Gads. Just gads. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Adding it to the 'don't trust the police' list.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Locally, activists are raising hell over the police
department having access to public school kids for promoting policing as a career. There are huge concerns about sexual abuse.
And...
Pigs gonna
pig.
One last fire department thing, and then I'll shut up about it. In the '70's, there was a move afoot to create the "public safety officer", which was an effort to save municipalities money by crosstraining their cops as firefighters. These hybrid *things* would keep their turnout gear in the back of their squad cars, and when there was a fire call, they'd roll up with sirens hooting and lights flashing, and instantly change roles into firefighters. Or so it was thought.
Well, what ended up actually happening in the big cities that tried it was that they'd roll up, not change into their turnouts, and spend their time busting people or planting weed and *then* busting people, while the actual firefighters fought the fire. As a result, people stopped calling the fire department for the aforementioned reasons: they didn't want the pigs sifting through their belongings while "fighting the fire". As I recall, it didn't last very long. There is no love lost between the two roles.
Needless to say, my dislike for the cops is bred into me, and goes way back. When I call the fire department, I want people who are actually firefighters to show up. And firefighters *always* show up. The cops may take a few days, and frankly may cause more harm than good. Not a fan.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
the trend here lately is combining police, EMT and fire
into one complex. (small town) They all seem to respond whether needed or not. If an
ambulance shows up, sure to be a cop there too. Same with fire trucks. Oh well.
I remember when we had an all volunteer fire department and two cops. Things changed.
Millions in federal monies built us a new complex: more cops, more cars, more gear.
Their budgets exploded, unions took over and now we have a NATO brigade.
This is an extremely low crime area. Most cop logs are tickets for speeding or dogs.
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As my dear departed
gray-haired mammy used to say, "Gag a maggot on a shitwagon!". I thought that fad had passed. I wouldn't stay in a municipality that merged those roles: that alone is literally reason enough for me to pack my bags.
If the local 911 thing is to roll a cop along with the bus or a truck, then that's one thing- let 'em do traffic control. But expecting the cop to also be one of the good guys is right out.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
A cop in Missouri City,
which is at the southern outskirts of Houston, was arrested for continuous assault of her bf. A felony. She beat him with her baton, even tasered him. And failed to report that she used it.
Oh, she is a mayoral candidate. Or, maybe not, since her arrest.
Texas executed an ex-cop for hiring 2 guys to murder her during their divorce. Happened Tuesday. I am anti-death penalty. But just this once, I didn't feel much sympathy.
I have literally hundreds of crooked cop stories.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I bet you do have tons of crooked cop stories!
Comes with the territory, I'd think. I admire you for sticking to it, I'd most likely have given up in frustrated disgust. I read about that recent execution of the crooked cop in Texas. I too, am anti death-penalty, and I too couldn't bring myself to care all that much.
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Sexual Abuse?
I could see that happening. Does having cops in schools even work? I dunno, surely there'd be more stories about it working to stop kids being hurt, if it did work?
O'Neil talks a bit about that story from Philly and the cute picture of the cop holding the son they kidnapped from the innocent lady. It's crazy@
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Good morning Sima. Great hybrid fowl picture.
pro cop, feeb, cia, etc propaganda is all over the media, both the news and entertainment, I can't really allow myself to get upset about it anymore, life is too short to ruin your health flipping out over that shit.
You mentioned the rain(s) so I thought I'd formally note that it isn't, at this exact moment, raining in this specific part of the East Bay, though we've been promised more rain and storms in the offing. In fact, one source states that the current dry period will last 6 more hours, then ...
We've had enough rain and accumulated enough snow pack that at least one source has declared the drought to be over. Heh. CAUTION - 1) there is a backlog, and the reservoirs still need filling, as do the aquifers and the water table in most areas. Many places have seen seen surface subsidence due to withdrawals from the water table/aquifers that need to be restored 2) Drought is a technical term, and so is Desert. Much of the state is technically desert, hence the end of the drought does not mean ample water is available in a great many places.
Freedom of the seas and navigational freedom needs to cut two ways, the Rus are possibly just demonstrating that without running around shouting Look, we're doing freedom of the seas, hooray us. Heh
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good point about freedom of the seas..
and I think I need to stop paying too much attention to the bad cops stuff, as you said. What's the point? I can't do anything about it really.
As for the rains, I hope they let up a bit down there. Can't we all have nice, what was once called 'Seattle' style rains where there's a gentle rain a few hours every day but nothing much torrential? Those don't even happen in Seattle anymore, unfortunately.
I have been following the flooding in Felton and Felton Grove down by Santa Cruz. I grew up near there. It's mind boggling how much water there is in that area right now!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
In other news
as an example of free speech ..
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https://www.rt.com/news/569747-university-department-bans-word-field/
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the pro fields group are planning demonstrations out in the fields
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"Field"? Really? First of all, can anybody at SC even
define it, I mean they are the butt of a vast number of jokes about their academic credibility.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
But but but...
football fields?
Poppy fields?
Killing fields?
Let's just create a new language, scrap this non-inclusive English bull shit.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
fields of dreams
hey, I'm all for creating a new language
but we gotta have fields in it! And goats.
Mares eat oats and lambs eat oats and little lambs eat ivy
a kid would eat ivy too, wouldn't you? In the fields.
[video:https://youtu.be/gkGhg4Q77hk]
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How can the word 'field' be racist?
Why is replacing it with a hoity toity Latin word any better? Isn't that classist and racist too?
Boy, people are weird! Thanks for this little tidbit, it's nuts but it made me laugh in disbelief. And I'm officially an anthropologist/archaeologist!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
What immediately popped into my head
was the association to 'cotton fields'?
That may be it, I dunno...
You could be right. Cotton fields don't seem racist to me but what do I know. I get the linkage. It doesn't seem the same usage to me as 'What academic field are you studying?' But once again, what do I know...
I wonder if we'll have to rename 'cotton' soon?
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Yup.
Political correctness, driven by "woke" guilt.
Faugh.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
why stop in the field?
perhaps we can extract more honky guilt with
dropping coal, elevator, shoe shine and watermelon
clean the slate, so to speak
[video:https://youtu.be/3Pu-SPjtk68]
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I draw the line
at whereever it is that I have to stop ordering fried chicken. That's a bridge too far.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
HA, funny
drawing a line across a bridge to a chicken is pretty zappy!
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Damn.
thank you for that.
If one starts with the claim that it is racist, one can
get there, but even "working in the fields" and arguably also "cotton fields" is more classist than racist. One of the many things that came to my mind was:
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Yeah,
but in that context it is related to an individual person.
Does anyone here believe
the "official" story about Mr. Pelosi's assault? Nothing the cops have announced comports with what witnesses and the initial 911 call, or the cop on the scene described.
Oh, as Biden's classified documents are being discovered, how did you react to the tragic news that our First Lady has to have a skin cancer removed? Did it take your eyes off the ball, as meant? And is it more tragic than, say, the 4 or 5 I had removed from my skin? Those basal cells can be scary.
Official news has to be timed with precision as well as packed full of lies.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
No, I don't believe the official news
about Pelosi's assault at all.
My Mom's had those skin cancer nubs removed too. So I didn't even pay much attention to the news about Jill. I did pay a lot of attention to the news about Joe's classified papers. I can see how the skin cancer thing was a distraction, it just didn't work on me!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Starbucks Union
Biden gives a spontaneous (lol) response to his repeated
pilfering of classified documents.
hey man, I just left some papers by my corvette
no big deal, I lock my corvette
my corvette is locked in a garage
secret files are safe by my
corvette, my lawyers have
washed my corvette
and are working with DOJ
to fix my corvette into the
minds of the brain-washed
scattered papers =corvette
any other questions?
the leader of the bonzo world goin down
[video:https://youtu.be/Zmzv5xJ4wE4]
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i wanna buy your corvette, have found too many papers
which prove how many crooks I have in my family. I really need to protect them all so nobody finds out.
I close my safe to be safe.
Phewt...
https://www.euronews.com/live
trade you Brandons corvette
for your secret papers
for a small fee
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LOL
But is Biden’s garage always locked?
Good gravy the dude cannot even read a statement made up for him. I want to know if anyone in his administration is silently wondering about the 25th amendment? If you recall the media covered Biden’s mentality before Obama cleared the field and made Biden the candidate. And lots of times when he was let out of the basement he couldn’t keep a lid on his anger. WHY, WHY, WHY!!! And stabbing his finger in people’s chest.
Had to listen to it twice...
which made my brain hurt. I still don't know exactly what he said, but I think Prince was there with a little red corvette?
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KpfrJE4zw]
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Breaking News!
you heard it here first!
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The governors of several states have signed an agreement with
VP Harris to transfer up to 15,000 untrained immigrants to Ukraine in an
exchange for federal dollars to assist their education efforts.
Z will be excited. Rollin and Tumblin
[video:https://youtu.be/uuXcGHjBeac]
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Remember
Walking in the sand
[video:https://youtu.be/FF5mtyPo-Wk]
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That video
made my jaw drop in admiration. Jeff Beck and Imelda May? Gods. Thanks for introducing me to the video. Now I will binge watch over and over again!
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Fantastic
Thanks QMS!
Good Night, you all, stay safe, stay dry, stay healthy and sane
we all need it and hold together and keep with our feet grounded even if the most awful storm knocks out your houses and dreams. I have nothing else or more to say.
Every thing has an end (and my sister would add to that that only sausages have two ends. I think she is smart)
https://www.euronews.com/live
Stay safe, dry, healthy and sane as well!
I'm trying to think of what else has two ends besides a sausage...
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
Hi Sima
I found the juxtaposition of the two photos in your essay interesting. When looking at them within no specific context they are both reflective of ‘carrying’, or mutual support. There's something precious in both photos, while one is not a true reflection of the reality. It's somewhat heartbreaking to think that such a traumatic event for a purely innocent baby is used to promote a heartfelt response to the police.