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I will not add any comment to this email I got today concerning the election tomorrow;

Hi David,

Just days after savaging Paul Pelosi with rightwing lies, Elon Musk endorsed every Republican Traitor for Congress.

These Traitors voted against certifying the landslide victory of Joe Biden right after MAGA's violent assault on the Capitol on January 6. They willingly joined a GOP coup d'etat to keep Trump in power.

Musk supports Traitors because he's the world's richest man - worth $254 billion - and these Traitors will cut his taxes. Musk now owns Twitter and has 115 million followers who may help him elect Traitors - who will pay for Musk's tax cuts by cutting jobs, health care, education, Social Security, environmental protection - and everything else we urgently need.

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My home phone, burner phone and email all have blockers installed.
I haven't received a single political add in years.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick this piece of bullshit. very illuminating

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

Control-C did not pick up the embedded copy of Musk's actual words:

Shared power curbs the worst excesses of both parties, therfore, I recommend voting for a Republican Congress, given that the President is Democratic.

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@fire with fire
voting strait ticket repugs just to fuck over those who control the mindless
asshat called "our president".
Nah. I'm only going to vote tomorrow to support michigan prop 3 which legalizes abortion. I don't have to vote demonrat to codify shit.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Think of the poor Texas D voters who can't vote for a pro-choice Dem, because the Dem establishment boosted Cisneros and stomped on the somewhat progressive pro-choice candidate.

What's that saying? "When they show you who they are, believe them?"

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@MichaelSF

Excellent point. I'ma going to tweet that every chance I get. Another boneheaded move by democrats is that they have been bitching about election deniers and far right candidates and then they funded campaigns for many of them because democrats think they will be easier to beat. Immm…Hillary ran that play on Trump and had the media focus only on his candidacy and we all know how that turned out.

But I think democrats won’t mind losing one of the houses because then they can really tell the base that they don’t have the votes. Neither party can get their agendas through without help from the other one. Except it’s weird how when republicans don’t have control there is always just enough democrats to help them. Kabuki bull crap.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg Also wonder how they re-enter private life multi millionaires by doing the "peoples" business. Maybe they all should make their tax returns public, not just Trumps.

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way to get the Uniparty drones off my back: I simply tell hem that I will not vote for anyone who uses negative/attack ads or campaign rhetoric. Tell me what you're going to do in some positive way, not self-serving gobbletygook about why the other guy/party/whatever sucks.

Oh, some unpaid intern said that on your behalf to give you plausible deniability, or some dark money PAC was speaking for you "without your knowledge"? Right. Sure. Too bad, Sunshine: you lose.

That neatly leaves *all* of the mainstream candidates out of consideration, and lets me not vote for any of them with a clear conscience. At this point, if a candidate has enough money to buy ads, I can pretty much forget 'em.

The drones will still call/text/write emails, and that'll never stop since I gave them money in the past. But it sure as hell stops them in their tracks, even more effectively that telling them to suck my turnip...

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So the Democrats want me to give them access to my digital address book?

But, they promise not to divulge my identity, etc. and etc.

I trust the Democrats about as much as I trust the Republicans -- which is to say, not at all.

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I like the county judge, despise the person running as an independent against him.
About the only other races I am interested in involve appellate court judges. Ds make better appellate judges, as a rule. That Cisneros can kiss my ass. I know nothing of the R opponent. I will decide whether to punish Cisneros tomorrow.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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@on the cusp

very careful to conceal any trace of the party affiliations of all the "non-partisan" offices, like judges, school board, dogcatcher, yadda yadda- in other words, any places where grassroots change might occur. God forbid that we should know which cult the candidates belong to.

Luckily, I have to drive by an ultrarepublican neighbor on one of those 5-acre plots that flies a Gadsden flag, and has a little barn and a wagon that they completely wallpaper with ads for all the republicans running for *anything*. So I just have to take a picture of their place so that I know who to vote against, in the odd case that I might vote in a race. I consider them to be doing a public service of a sort, even though it takes them about 6 months to clean up all the ads after each election...

It's gotten a lot easier since I don't vote for dems anymore either. That reduces the stress of possibly letting one slip though.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

For all positions.

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@MrWebster
Why knott?

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Everyone makes fun of Florida for voting for all these evil Republicans. But the Democrats don't run anyone worth voting for. Even my Rep. Matt Gaetz (FL-1) is against funding Ukraine. That makes him more anti-war than the squad.

DeSantis has made it harder for people to vote absentee so tomorrow I have to stand in line. Making people apply for absentee ballots is mostly going to hurt the elderly and the disabled. Voting against a tax increase tomorrow. My county wants a one cent sales tax for the next 30 years. Not happening.

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@Enchantress  
If I were Floridian, due to the D party’s long and deep history of DWS-style shenanigans I would be hard pressed to bring myself to vote for D’s.

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@lotlizard

that manages to embody all the worst of the Democratic Party it would have to be DWS...

That Canova guy that ran against her several times would have been a huge improvement.

Well, from January Dems will at least be relieved of having to pretend to be actually doing something besides bitch about those Republican traitors.

Going to be one scary lame duck session, though...

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I got the Dems swipe blue message years ago...

swipe blue - like Buttgig did in Iowa 2020.
swipe blue - like the CA 2016 primaries
swipe blue - like DummyWasserman did in FL
swipe blue - like the NV 2016 primaries

Just remember the blue asswipes...
I hope they get their asses swiped...

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein

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I received a text ten days ago from the campaign for Randy Sparacino, who is running for State Senate in my district in Oregon after having been the Mayor of Medford. Here is part of his text:

"We can't afford more of Kate Brown and Tina Kotek's far-left policies."

Sorry, but anyone who thinks that ANY Democrat is "far-left" is either playing me for a fool, or has actually drunk the cult Kool-Aid himself. The Democrats could actually shrink the Republican cult if they wanted to -- but to do so they would have to govern as if the people mattered, and they are too hung up on donor support to do that. So instead they govern as if the Republicans were a cudgel to be used against the rest of us: "you better support our pointless wars, or we'll let the Republicans win another one." And indeed they will let the Republicans win another one, pretty soon now.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

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@Cassiodorus

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@Cassiodorus and a refreshing take for this thread. I would quibble about which party is a cult, as only one seems clearly devoted, by a large majority of the R rank and file and their leaders, to slavish loyalty to one person. The other party has no remotely similar glassy-eyed feeling towards a single person, not Biden, Pelosi, Chuck or anyone carrying the D banner. The D leaders are merely spineless on principles and inept in campaigning, not to mention getting a bit long in the tooth.

As for constant D bashing while ignoring far worse R horrors, which attitude I see a lot online and with nearly all of my favorite indy bloggers of a leftish persuasion, it tends to make me a bit defensive and with at least one foot still inside the big tent, countering increasingly strong feelings of disaffection. No question however that these days, after 4 yrs of bogus Russiagate conspiracies, covid vaccine mandates, and dangerous neocon FP, I am far less enthusiastic about my usual party.

This Election Day, as the cult party appears to have the upper hand, I am going to cast a positive vote for only 2 people, my friend and neighbor the local mayor and a similar liberal-minded city council candidate. Gov Newsom will not be getting my vote (see AB 2098) but it's a safe non-vote as he will easily win re-election. Haven't decided yet about voting for my US House rep, Ted Lieu.

A depressing election, esp as I consider that a low-life, low-intelligence and hypocritical ex-jock of no distinction like Herschel Walker (backed by the RW former Dem Tulsi Gabbard) could be so close to winning against Raphael Warnock. A similar depressing situation for gov in AZ, though the D there has run a completely incompetent race, basically losing the race when she refused to debate. Where indeed do Ds get some of their candidates.

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@wokkamile If we don't see this, it is perhaps because we ourselves need deprogramming. It's perhaps easiest to see this, for instance, in the two-party non-solution to abrupt climate change. The Republicans pretend it isn't happening, even as it ravages their neighborhoods, and the Democrats pretend the problem can be solved with a little bit of everything that makes money. I can offer more examples if you want.

The movie "Don't Look Up" offers a graphic depiction of the commonly-accepted cult behavior. A big rock is going to crash into Earth and wipe out a large portion of the human race, but established power is unwilling to stop it because there's too much money to be made.

That having been said, the Republicans are more obviously a cult. But their obvious cultishness also displays what's wrong with our perspective.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

@Cassiodorus back in the 70s who tried to achieve major campaign finance legislation, only to have a substantial part of it thrown out by Scotus in Buckley, then once more with the double-whammy blow with the Citizens United case. And Ds would still seem to be the only party where there is any hope of achieving major reform in this area. Good luck trying to move many Rs, who are firmly committed to distorted notions of capitalism, and corporations as people, and twisted ideas about $ = free speech, similar to their crazy ideas about More Guns = Safer Communities.

Meanwhile, the Ds just play as the rules are laid out, often fearing not to accept dubious and corrupting contributions as an unacceptable risk to keeping their jobs. They aren't eagerly inviting such bribes, like I perceive many in the other party do, but are merely cowardly in being unwilling to say no. Rs see Big $$ in politics as the way things should naturally work.

No major political voices in either party, and esp in the DP, calling for major lege to get big $$ out of politics. But if it is both parties acting cultishly wrt money in politics, I also don't see any non-affiliated groups making any major noise about correcting the problem.

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@wokkamile Up to the 1960s the Right had a pact with the Democratic Party to keep the apartheid system in place in the South and to cement political power in the states in question in the hands of the Ku Klux Klan. But, beginning in '64, galvanized by Goldwater's candidacy and by Johnson's efforts to push the 1964 Civil Rights Act through Congress, this same constituency shifted over to the Republican Party. Later the Republican Party became the party of Nixon and of Reagan. But, had Nixon and not Johnson ended apartheid in the South, the Democratic Party would still be the party of the Klan and the liberals would either be divided between the parties (as they were before '64) or concentrated in the Republican Party.

To the present day the Democratic Party tolerates "liberals" as long as they don't interfere with the consensus at the top, which is about neoliberalism and reducing your power to near zero through the universal obligation to participate in "markets." The unified goal of the duopoly, today, is to shut you out of politics. They, you see, think they know better than you.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

@Cassiodorus groups should do a better job of promoting stronger, more courageous types for office, as the softies currently there tend to fold at the slightest sign of pressure. Bernie Sanders for instance -- not even a poor man's version of Jeremy Corbin. The Squad. Actually I can't think of a single lib/prog member in congress who has consistently and fearlessly stood on principle and moral right. There weren't many in the past of course, at least not initially, but at least they were there to form the beginnings of a later larger movement. The VN War, the environment, civil rights.

Just weakness, cowardice and selloutness today.

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@wokkamile

people with a functioning moral compass will back away from the corrupt
cabal of 'money for votes' concept. It's the shyster types who see this as
an opportunity to make a buck on the backs of the hopefuls. They climb up
that particular tree of pathological success without the slightest remorse.
Like the TV evangelical zillionaires riding the faithful.

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@QMS that those who gain office have to accept special interest bribes and become puppets of the rich and powerful. Call me old fashioned or naive, but I still see a place in gov't for people who have a positive vision to help people and who won't be bought off or deterred. It can start with just one person being bold enough to speak openly of the problem in the halls of gov't.

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@wokkamile

the under-funded candidates do not even get out of the primaries
let alone the general. Who is to say the influence of money in
politics is preventing better leaders? Bought pols are sympathetic
to their donors.

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@wokkamile As far as I can tell, the reason why -- in 2020 -- the bureaucrats running for President in the Dem primary all dropped out to endorse Biden was that Biden was a known deal-maker capable of getting bills passed with the cooperation of the Right. Never mind, of course, that the bills Biden got passed were bad ones -- the 2005 Bankruptcy Act comes immediately to mind. But the Democrats crave "success" only if they don't have to discuss in public what the substance of their "success" is.

As of the time of the writing of this post, it is unclear whether or not the Dems will control either or both houses of Congress. If the Reps control even just one of them, one can expect gridlock for the next two years -- except of course that they all love to pass extravagant bills to fund for-profit wars. So those will go through.

I am in favor of broad-based solutions. In his book "Never Let a Serious Crisis Go to Waste," economic historian Philip Mirowski shows how absurd the neoliberal consensus in government and academia is, and also how thoroughly dominant said consensus is. When Mirowski showed up for a book discussion on the old Firedoglake site, he re-emphasized that neoliberalism is so dominant that there is no counter-establishment there to take the place of the neoliberal one should the neoliberals in power screw up exceptionally badly.

Let's, for instance, start a university.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

@Cassiodorus always been that deal-maker Biden was privately offering each of those candidates a deal whereby he would give them very serious consideration for VP, a cabinet position, or head of a fed agency, if they dropped out now.

As for cong'l gridlock, it's about where we are now anyway, but for sure, if Elon Musk gets his wish, the Rs will make gridlock the law of the land if they win one or both houses. Also there will be the investigations into Joe and Hunter Biden, with impeachment hearings to follow. That is about as certain as anything.

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@wokkamile Politics is like an armed robbery happening right now. The Republicans are the cleverer pack of thieves.

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"the Democratic Party is not 'left'." -- Sabrina Salvati

but at least I'm in the blast radius for San Francisco and my building has a first floor garage so it's pretty sure to pancake. It's been nice knowing you folks.

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On to Biden since 1973

Pick your overseer! Pick which flunky you prefer to have their boot on your neck. Pick which kind of pain you wish to endure, which war to fight, which crumbs they'll be taking back. Swipe blue, swipe red, it's all good, it's Uniparty!

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1. I have nothing but contempt for Elon Musk, but his quoted tweet is reasonable. Voting to prevent both parties from total control of the two active branches of government assumes that the blue and red teams are really at odds with each other in significant ways. Based on their respective palaver, this seems to be true, but I don't buy that take, and I will not follow his advice and will instead avoid voting.

The tweet is clearly not an endorsement of the Republicans, and voting blue will not "stop" Musk from doing anything. This is pure bullshit.

2. Biden did not win by a a "landslide". More bullshit clearly fishing for true believers of Blue Team dementia. It was the second cliffhanger election in a row, with razor thin margins in four states providing the Electoral College victory

3."Traitors" -- bandying this term around is worse than bullshit. This carries on the absurd tradition of accusing the opposing party of fundamental illegitimacy. The average citizen has heard both parties push this bullshit line against each other non stop for the last six years, seriously undermining respect for "our democracy." I don't believe we can maintain civilization while our leadership keeps trying to put each other in jail while claiming that the prosecutions are in the offing. The sine qua non of democracy is accepting defeat at the polls and both parties claim that we are a banana republic. They are both right.

4. "Coup d'etat." Biden was inaugurated on schedule and the prosecutions of those accused of breaking the law are moving forward, albeit slowly. At best/worst, you could call the riot an attempted coup. That asserts that there was a meeting of the "minds" among somebodies who really thought that occupying the Capitol would somehow keep Trump in office. If such people exist, they are too stupid to fear. Personally, I have lost all patience with the voices who up-play the event into a serious attempt to overthrow the government. This email is fishing for that group of hard core fantasts.

5. Of course the Red Team is no better. I am old enough to remember the Goldwater movement. One of the books in its world view was called "None Dare Call it Treason." I was only 11 years old, but I joined in the general belly laugh at such lunacy. Now the Democrats have embraced the same rhetorical strategy, bumping the boobs with it to get out the vote.

6. I don't vote.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

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@fire with fire

from the rooftops.

3."Traitors" -- bandying this term around is worse than bullshit. This carries on the absurd tradition of accusing the opposing party of fundamental illegitimacy. The average citizen has heard both parties push this bullshit line against each other non stop for the last six years, seriously undermining respect for "our democracy."

Disgusting. Spot on.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@fire with fire seems to have an idealized and distorted picture of so-called "independents". Actually they are relatively few in number. Most independents regularly vote for one party or the other.

On Biden's "landslide", only in the popular vote (a 7m vote margin, usually the stuff of landslides) which, in every other democracy in the world, is what counts. But not in our stupid antidemocratic system. Btw, I expect plenty more Electoral College mischief come 2024, as R state legislators might decide to tweak their state laws on allocating EC votes, regardless of how the voters vote, and also as newly-elected Trumpeter Secretaries of State here and there in swing states will have their hands directly on the election machinery as votes are cast, and can be expected to take and follow through on desperate Trump phone calls if necessary. If it does indeed play out as I fear, that will just about spell Finis to what's left of our experiment in democracy.

Re the attempted coup d'etat, it seems consistent with the way strongman mafia boss Trump is used to operating -- with fear and intimidation and even violence when necessary to enable him to once again get his way. What matters is whether the coup plotters thought it was rational, or perhaps the only card left to be played, all other attempts in the courts and with backroom phone calls having failed. And who's to say, with a tweak here and there in personnel in the right places, or with a corrupt SS getting Pence out of the way to an undisclosed location for his own protection of course, that it might have succeeded. At the very least, I'd say the violent mob that day did enough damage and came close enough to thwarting a peaceful transfer of power that it was a major relief when it was ultimately turned back.

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Leaving aside the perennial argument about the wisdom of indirect voting such as employed by the US and the United Kingdom, looking at the reported popular vote in 2020, Biden received 51.3% to Trump's 46.8 a margin of 4.5%. In somebody's wishful thinking, that is a landslide. I won't call that cultish, just wishful.

I can relate to the idea that, as bad as the current Democrats are, the Republican are even worse. If one wants to make that point, one should make the point clearly and avoid defending obvious bullshit like the ridiculous outreach email at the top of this thread.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

@fire with fire Biden's popular vote MOV should more correctly be called a "near-landslide" -- as this is seen in the context of the highly partisan, sharply divided, nearly 50-50 political landscape of recent times with a diminished population of swing voters. And it seems like you are trying to diminish Biden's, shall we call it "sizable", 7m margin of victory in the popular. Yes, the PV is not the decisive factor, but it's also not irrelevant in evaluating the nature of the victory.

Re the campaign email, it's ridiculous but all too typical of campaign season emails sent by both sides -- the distorted assertions and overripe rhetoric and overdone urgency is baked into the emotional appeal, and should be taken with a grain of salt and maybe a shot of spiritus frumenti.

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@wokkamile

She lost. But her supporters won’t let anyone forget that she got more votes which means squat.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg mean "squat" how the people voted. At least in a democracy. And it should never mean "squat" when a candidate wins by 3m yet is not elected. That should always be brought up -- but not in terms of any stolen election or foreign influence, as she and her supporters alleged, but wrt calling out our ridiculous EC system of deciding who gets to take office regardless of how the people voted, and with a view towards eliminating that system or doing an end around or however.

That should have been the discussion coming out of 2016. But HRC and her backers had other plans, and most Ds went along, while the non-D left and her other opponents were happy enough with the outcome, so they said nothing about the absurd result of someone winning by 3m yet losing.

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@wokkamile

isn’t declared the winner. And it doesn’t matter if the EC makes it wrong or bad or whatever because it’s how elections have been run here forever. Everyone knows the rules before they enter the race. There have been lots of people who got more votes and never became president.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg diminishing the importance of how people actually voted for president in this country normalizes our terrible EC system. Makes the PV look just like a trivial sideshow, which it should not be.

I hope we don't fall into the complacency of thinking that tends to regard the EC system as just one of the rules which we must play by. With that attitude, we will never raise an eyebrow when the PV winner loses, and we'll never get the groundswell to achieve reform in this area.

I don't see any good arguments for keeping the EC, don't think the question is even close. But I prefer to think we'd be farther along in seriously reforming it if only HRC and her backers had taken up the reform banner after 2016 instead of the toxic Russiagate banner they did pick up.

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@wokkamile the proper nomenclature for election margins.

Near landslide? That is not what the voice of the Democratic Party called it. It's ok with me if you don't think objective reality should be observed in electioneering. It certainly isn't.

But that is far beside the point I am making with this thread that this silly quibble is deflecting. In context, the claim was connected to the supposed stubborn refusal to respect democracy on the part of Trump partisans who supposedly ignore objective reality by challenging the legitimacy of the vote tally. As a former Sanders partisan, I am sensitive about that kind of denigration of people who believe they got cheated. In this junk email's effort to paint the Trumpers as treasonous lunatics, the spurious claim of a "landslide" is employed mendaciously.

Changing the subject to the Electoral College is not going to persuade me that the claim was not willful mendacity. The relevant state tallies were extremely close, and nothing like a near landslide.

I agree that the Constitution should be amended to, among many other changes, abolish the Electoral College.

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I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

@fire with fire to disagree that a 7m PV margin can reasonably be called a near landslide as that side of the equation is considered. NO question for me that it's not far off the mark. Overall of course, it's a half-truth.

Mendacious is probably a stretch, and again we were commenting on a partisan political missive sent during the waning moments of the election period. Exaggeration, half-truths and even considerable stretchers are going to be par for the course in order to whip up the masses to go vote as they wish. That's the objective, not to withstand strict fact-checking scrutiny and meet lofty standards of truthfulness set by those who probably are not unbiased.

Both parties do it. Been happening since the beginning of this once-promising country. Nothing to get worked up about. Little to be gained from parsing the words in such campaign pablum.

At least we agree on the Electoral College.

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