Open Thread WE 28 SEP 22
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Sun Tzu
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Bertrand Russell
The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one.
Albert Einstein
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers.
Francois Fenelon
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living.
Omar N. Bradley
If it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how?
Joan Baez
There is nothing that war has ever achieved that we could not better achieve without it.
Havelock Ellis
You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake.
Jeannette Rankin
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A Meditation In Time Of War
by William Butler Yeats
For one throb of the artery,
While on that old grey stone I Sat
Under the old wind-broken tree,
I knew that One is animate,
Mankind inanimate phantasy.
Which politician suggested a cabinet position for the Department of Peace?
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Make love, not war...
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix
Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding.
Albert Einstein
You can’t shake hands with a clenched fist.
Indira Gandhi
An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind.
Mahatma Gandhi
Peace is the only battle worth waging.
Albert Camus
Wishing all our FL friends well as Ian rages across the state. Take care!
Thanks for the good quotes and OT, QMS!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Lots of water and wind in Ian
155 mph is pretty severe
Thanks for posting your quotes too!
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
The more we change the more we stay the same
We used to kill with sticks and stones. Now we kill with guns and drones.
Me
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
Like your ditty
on stones and drones!
per wiki ..
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
whodunnit
An interesting series of posts on the culpability of various actors in the Nordstream pipelines'
sabotage is to be found on the MoA site. A few facts ...
- NATO had declared the Baltic Sea was secure with their BALTOPS 22 operation in June
https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/3066830/baltops-2...
- Off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, is where the pipelines were hit. Just days ago the USS Kearsarge was in that area.
- In early September 3 Sikorsky MH-60S helicopters from the Kearsarge flew operations around
the area of the damaged pipelines.
- Poland and Denmark have build a new sub sea pipeline which connects it to the pipeline that brings Norwegian gas to the Netherlands and Europe.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/whodunnit-facts-related-to-the-sab...
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
To answer your question
is Dennis Kucinich. also in that career:
In 2000 (?) some unremembered university devised a different poll. It asked 30 policy questions, then matched the answers to the candidates. From among 17 Democrats and 11 Republicans the winner - with over 50% of the "vote" - was Kucinich.
He also cast the deciding vote for the ACA in the House. He then immediately begged our forgiveness. (sorry, but no)
He admitted to having witnessed a UFO (years before the Pentagon admitted trying to reverse engineer UFO technology)
He was then redistricted out of his seat.
On to Biden since 1973
Yes, I remember Kucinich and Nader were lightening rods
during their attempts at higher office. Early populists of a sort. Couldn't seem to get out of the
blocks.
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
public option was all Kucinich's fault?
Im pretty sure your forgiveness would not change much.
We should help the Floridians.
It looks like they will need monetary assistance immediately. That chunk of money...the $12 Billion on the way overseas to some corrupt bunch of folks who skim two thirds off the top before wasting the rest as intended, needs to be re-routed post haste to Florida. The people are going to need it here.
Thanks for the OT QMS. Yup, peace and harmony...or else.
Florida and Georgia governors have declared
a state of emergency so that should free up monies from the fed.
FL called up the national guard, so that may help some. If recent
storms are any indication, FEMA will attempt some weak response.
But you are right. Our treasury needs to refocus away from the empire
wars and support domestic needs for sure.
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
Let's hope
Going down the drain of Ukraine
This is peacetime production???
https://www.rt.com/news/563666-weapons-ukraine-production-capacity/
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
Peace. Funny word. Everybody wants it, but nobody
behaves as if they do. Psycho-social unobtanium. Historically, our religious leaders have largely been those most prone to call for wars and persecution, conquest, and all the rest. But always, there is necessity "now we got weapons of chemical dust, if fire them we're forced to, then fire them we must.". Yah, sure.
Seriously, though, but one people, one nation, of them all has clean hands. The narrative history of the USofA is one of constant depredation, by others, upon it. The original colonists fled religious persecution (in truth, they but wanted to be the ones doing the persecution), and we have been under attack and/or threatened with attack relatively continuously since, from England and the Barbary Pirates and the Spanish and Mexicans, those dastardly Injuns, native Hawaiians, Filipinos and Moros, the Chinese, every nation in our South American "back yard" and more. Forced to defend ourselves continuously, if only "Preventively" (a Bushism, but true in that we have never been in a position to claim to be conducting a pre-emptive operation of any kind). Perhaps it is something in the water, and we should just abandon the place before its toxins take us out completely. In the meantime, to the perpetual victim belong the spoils, so let's get cracking:
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
In the battle of sensibilities
since the US justifies its aggression on other evil doers
is it any wonder we are the downtrodden? It requires mucho
resources to protect the world from evil. Not sure becoming
a developing banana republic is worth it tho. Perhaps the
reason we never win any wars is the enemy within?
Thanks for posting!
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
There is always more to steal, something else
to exploit, hell, how many times has "tiny backward Somalia" attacked us? 3, 4, more? Lost track.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Someone wrote a song called “God bless you, Cindy Sheehan”
Remember her? Cindy Sheehan lost her son to the Iraq war.
She was anti-war before it was cool.
https://music.apple.com/de/album/god-bless-you-cindy-sheehan/168817324?i...
She blamed Bush the Younger and sparked the first serious protests against him and his administration.
https://www.villagevoice.com/2005/09/13/nypd-unplugs-cindy-sheehan/
That was way back when, before the Dem-voting half of the country decided Bush’s having given Michelle O. a cough drop and becoming her BFF wiped away any responsibility for torture, wars, and lies.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McTqs_ZKjmA]
Gold Star Families for Peace
The BS by pinning a gold star on families with lost ones in another senseless war.
Proud to produce more cannon fodder for the empire? Tied right into the
yellow ribbons madness. Now we have Ukie flags to show our support.
Yeah, Cindy Sheehan showed some spine.
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
Once again it shows that politicians live in an alternate
reality, where up is down and black is white.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3664781-coons-nord-stream-pipel...
https://thehill.com/policy/international/3665062-harris-recent-behavior-...
Dementia Joe strikes once again.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3665136-biden-asks-if-lawmak...
These empty suits are an embarrassment
Once these climbers get far enough up the ladder, they seem to lose self awareness.
Like a flock of flightless birds trying to achieve escape velocity. Scripted screwballs.
truth is considered foreign influence, world peace is a threat to national security
Russia has total power over the pipelines.
American Idiot Stupid.
Green Days ditty lives in my head these days.[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_uujKuJMI]
NYCVG
LOL
On second thoughts there is likely no limits as to what the war mongers might do to keep the conflict ongoing.![](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/scratch_one-s_head.gif)
One of the few EU politicians with a grip on reality.
Hell, we can't organize a society that doesn't erupt
in street violence, barroom brawls.
The idea our country, with outdated weapons, can when a war with anybody, much less Russia and China AT THE SAME TIME is the promotion of war profiteers who will not survive radiation fallout. All those obscene profits, but no real gain. Billionaires are not immune. I previously wrote that I do not represent vets in intense family law cases, where emotions run high.
This one vet I had to run off my law office property when he literally went nuts, had told me that his reason for joining the Army was that he wanted money, and would earn it if killing people paid. He actually told the recruiter, "I will kill for pay". And they recruited him immediately! Is it any wonder he went nuts after his tour and injury causing PTSD? Just a high school drop out from a small city in Texas, no jobs, a wife and child to support. I was, initially, sorry for his poverty, wanted to help. I soon realized, I was not the help he needed.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Notice how Jeannette Rankin
was noticeably absent from the lists of candidates put forward for a woman to replace A. Jackson on the twenty dollar bill?
I'd have just stuck with Old Hickory but for Rankin - first woman elected to Congress - not to even be *mentioned* seemed seriously misguided...
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/62348/15-women-who-could-replace-and...
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