The usefulness of the Guillotine in political discourse

Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 6:48pm

I'm not talking about real fully functional guillotines of course. Not yet anyway.

However, I do believe that non-functioning guillotine mockups may prove very useful in getting our message across to the world financial elite.
Pitchforks and torches are fine and all, but it takes a guillotine to really get their attention. The elites have an inborn fear of such things you know. Rightly so.
I think we should be making guillotines. Little ones, big ones, all sizes of guillotines. They certainly are an optic that can not be confused for something else. And they accurately reflect the mood of the people.
If you are an activist for social and economic justice, I urge you to consider producing some guillotines.
Not real ones of course. Not yet.
If we have experience making non-functioning guillotines then when real ones become necessary we'll be ahead in the game so to speak.

what say you?

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Submitted by BrutallyHonest on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:02pm

We have encouraged sociopathic behavior/ morals

I always felt that our true enemies are the many sociopaths that walk among us not scared about the rest of us with empathy. The inuits had a great way to deal with them.

in a 1976 study anthropologist Jane M. Murphy, then at Harvard University, found that an isolated group of Yupik-speaking Inuits near the Bering Strait had a term (kunlangeta) they used to describe “a man who … repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and … takes sexual advantage of many women—someone who does not pay attention to reprimands and who is always being brought to the elders for punishment.” When Murphy asked an Inuit what the group would typically do with a kunlangeta, he replied, “Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking.”

Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:25pm

That's a good reminder that these issues are ages old.

While the Kunlangeta are a certainty throughout the history of human societies, though by other name, I can't help but wonder if the Yupik-speaking people have a word for kings and queens and the elites of the world that we now have. A word as encompassing as Kunlageta.
Their solution however is an ages old solution for those that do more harm than help.

To be clear I do NOT advocate for mass outbreaks of beheadings in a violent overthrow of the powers that be.
I think one or two ought to get the message across enough to avoid the violent revolution. Should it ever come to that of course.

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In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by GreyWolf on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:29pm

oh man, you're killing me

"I do NOT advocate for mass outbreaks of beheadings ... I think one or two ought to get the message across"

Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:39pm

Would it be violent rebellion

instead of revolution as it devolves from peaceful because the establishment's teeth are woven into the fabric?

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 3:31pm

Let's hope it doesn't come to that

though a rebellion appears more and more likely to me, in a future not all that far from now.

I wish not for violence.
I offer an optic for potential use.
It is my wish that we have a non-violent transition to a better world for all.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:58pm

Me, too, dennis1958.

It's why I'm so committed to Bernie.

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:07pm

Bernie or bust

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by Ellen North on Sat, 02/04/2017 - 4:51pm

@dennis1958

@dennis1958

The Greeds are Kunlangeta - we have to quit giving them names that make them sound 'special' when they're nothing but fatally destructive parasites literally destroying the world of life out of pathological greed.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by mjsmeme on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:44pm

I like anthropology.

Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:04pm

We are as we are ...

because of how we were.

Yeah, me too.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by GreyWolf on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:15pm

"it takes a guillotine to really get their attention"

00 LOL.jpg

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 7:40pm

All you have to do to REALLY get their attention...

Is to start getting large amounts of people to sing this. Or at least the attention of the NSA.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcXNXKtu8z4]

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:02pm

Well DMW ...

Honestly friend, tell me, if all the people singing had a small guillotine in each hand, wouldn't that be even more powerful?

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by MinuteMan on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:03pm

Hoover's gone, but ...

More likely it would the FBI since the Red Squad is one of their tasks.

Submitted by Miep on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:13pm

Guillotine emoticons?

Why don't we have those?

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:36pm

Miep, you're brilliant !

The emotion generated from seeing a guillotine is a distinct thing, pretty much world wide. Different emotions for the 99% and the 1% of course to be sure, but emotions none the less.
Wonder how you'd make that happen? Guillotine emoticons.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by Alison Wunderland on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:44pm

Any time you want to use it,

Any time you want to use it, tap the Insert/edit image button

Use Ctrl+F to find "HCN_gillotine.gif"

Then use the Editor check mark to install in your comment.

Enjoy.

Btw, you don't improve the garden by transplanting the weeds to another section of the garden--hopefully before they go to seed--or you have another season of weeds to contend with.

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:59pm

I'll have to email my old ...

mental health counselor. I'm sure he'd get a kick out of seeing I got my guillotine.
That ones a little bloody though, he'll ask me if something has changed in my thinking.

Thanks AB.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by Alison Wunderland on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:12pm

They're supposed to be bloody

That's rather the whole point.

Just tell him a Frenchman sent it to you. He/she will understand.

Madam la Baronne Andre L'ânevert Lafitte, aka Granmammy, used to say "We don't celebrate Bastille Day in THIS house."

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 12:16am

Lafitte

Madam la Baronne Andre L'ânevert Lafitte

Arrrrr! And be Madame any kin to ye great Pirate Captain Jean Lafitte of Nouveau Orleans?

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Submitted by Alison Wunderland on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 12:26am

Absolutely, though in the family

we referred to him as a privateer.

[anecdote]

When my mom worked as a travel agent and clients asked her if she much about the Caribbean cruises, she would say, "Are you kidding, my family pioneered Caribbean cruises."

And I realized belatedly it should have been "Madame" (feminine)

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Submitted by Miep on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:31pm

I really need to learn

How to dl animated gifs. Why won't my ipad do this like it does images? They are holding out so I will buy another newer one, I expect.

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:02pm

you can't right click, save picture as.. ??

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by Miep on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 12:29am

Not on a tablet. Just grabs an image.

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Submitted by GreyWolf on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 11:23pm

"HCN_gillotine.gif"

That's awesome!!

(I have to make up little rhymes or stories or whatever to remember things - - and my mind immediately leaped to - - HEAD CUT NOW ... so that's how I'll know to find it.)

head cut now

Submitted by Oldest Son Of A... on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:15pm

Here are a few I have...

I like the automated saw version myself...

Feel Free to use them whenever you want...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
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Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,

Submitted by magicsister on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 8:50am

LOL!

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Submitted by slouchingdragon on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:20pm

T-shirt...

A guillotine about to chop the head off of a crying Monopoly guy.

You know, the one from the game?

With the words underneath " No justice, no peace"

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Submitted by Scott Crowder on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 8:32pm

There are all kinds of guillotines

The kind that chop a mans nuts off he fears more than the kind that chops off his head. And let's not forget Frank Herbert's wisdom: He who can destroy a thing controls that thing. The elites have power. Wealth gives them that power.

So just look to see where their nuts are dangling to be chopped off and do so. Then you control their power.

Now, what kind of guillotine would chop off those nuts people?

Submitted by slouchingdragon on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:43pm

Um..

Ex-fiancée was a UK army sniper...
He was trained to aim for the center of mass, the head, or the groin.
The last is because seeing a buddy getting their nuts shot off from a mile away induces extreme terror in the opposition. O.O

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Submitted by Ellen North on Sat, 02/04/2017 - 5:00pm

@slouchingdragon

@slouchingdragon

And that would be why Water Protectors are being hit by rubber bullets in the head or groin... indeed, guillotines of all sorts are urgently required.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by Alison Wunderland on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:11pm

Extrapolate and Improvise...

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Submitted by Oldest Son Of A... on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:02pm

There are 2 schools of theory on Guillotines...

The first is a razor sharp lightweight blade but requires higher amounts of maintenance to maintain sharpness...

The other is a heavier thicker blade that while still sharp has a wider angle and maintains that edge much better but relies more on speed and momentum to cut rather than razor sharpness...

Personally I'd go heavy duty and make it a full size one...
Name it "The End of the Oligarchy" and bring it out to things like Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Labor Day Picnics to slice watermelons...

You could also go high tech and make one that uses fast acting pneumatic cylinders to power blade downward with a slower upstroke, and conveyors to carry away what you cut to load into dump trucks...

That might be more impressive...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,

Submitted by dennis1958 on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 10:31pm

I'm sure I saw that on youtube.

Guillotines and watermelons.
Just to be clear (again) I don't own any guns and I don't own any guillotines.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU

Submitted by Ellen North on Sat, 02/04/2017 - 5:02pm

@dennis1958

@dennis1958

Me, neither, but I hope we're still scaring the pants off the Greeds we outnumber so drastically.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by Alison Wunderland on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 11:33pm

Great idea for a Freedom Float, Oldest Son

Personally, I'd go for dull and heavy.

"Goddamn, that hurt!" as the last thoughts dribbled away while seeing the sky from the bottom of the basket for the last time.

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Submitted by nada lemming on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:36pm

Trebuchets

Would have been good during Occupy.

Submitted by Hawkfish on Tue, 04/05/2016 - 9:42pm

When all you have is a trebuchet...

...every problem looks like a siege.

Which kind of sums up Occupy. Too bad the rats they surrounded had tunnels to escape through...

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Submitted by slouchingdragon on Wed, 04/06/2016 - 12:39am

And what

Might you have had those fling?
*thinks gleefully of bagfuls of used kitty litter*

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Submitted by Ellen North on Sat, 02/04/2017 - 5:12pm

@slouchingdragon

@slouchingdragon @slouchingdragon

Oooooo, we have kitties and a great supply of used litter on a regular basis! It's too bad that I have arm/hand tendon problems and am not the handy sort able to build a trebuchet. (Or spell it correctly without referencing, lol.)

Edit: unfortunate that we don't have sigs here, or I'd fill mine with guillotines... they seem so cheering, somehow...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by dennis1958 on Sun, 02/05/2017 - 5:11am

We DO have sig lines here.

@Ellen North
Go to My Account, then Edit. Down the page a bit is the sig line area.

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With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU