During the FDA meeting: The Risks Far Outweigh The Benefits

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On vaccine hesitancy

Biden/Harris drove vaccine hesitancy…small clip from full video ggersh posted.

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of actually going to my Twitter account for the first time in 3 years.
Good stuff, very informative.

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I’m seeing an increase in mono…

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In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg In case you aren't aware, Dr. Cole posted a video back in April with this claim and it...has problems. I don't know the truth, but I don't think we will be any closer to realizing what is going on by listening to folks like him.

Also, I can't make out the audio in the FDA videos you posted without straining a lot, but I think that most think the VAERS database is so contaminated with anecdotal crap as to be virtually useless.
Hope you and the dawg are doing well. It looks like rain in the PNW is finally on its way. First time in months!

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@peachcreek hi and thanks a lot for saying those two things together in a sentence out loud:
"I think that most think"
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"the VAERS database is so contaminated with anecdotal crap as to be virtually useless"
because it inspired me to try and discover why the CDC would create a database of anecdotal crap. Why? shrug. Here's a quote from your factcheck linky describing the CDC's VAERS database:

One key vaccine safety surveillance program is the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, which is an early warning system run by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and FDA. As its website explains, VAERS “is not designed to detect if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it can identify unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems requiring a closer look.”

Anyone can submit a report to VAERS for any health problem that occurs after an immunization. There is no screening or vetting of the report and no attempt to determine if the vaccine was responsible for the problem. The information is still valuable because it’s a way of being quickly alerted to a potential safety issue with a vaccine, which can then be followed-up by government scientists.

Another monitoring system is the CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink, which uses electronic health data from nine health care organizations in the U.S. to identify adverse events related to vaccination in near real time.

and the very next paragraph is link-free, just a plain statement with no links to the actual RCTs. meh

In the case of the COVID-19 vaccines, randomized controlled trials involving tens of thousands of people, which were reviewed by multiple groups of experts, revealed no serious safety issues and showed that the benefits outweigh the risks.

So the actual CDC vaccine safety database is called the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), but there is nothing there (yet) about COVID-19 or the mRNA vaccines.

The VSD conducts vaccine safety studies based on questions or concerns raised from the medical literature and reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When there are new vaccines that have been recommended for use in the United States or if there are changes in how a vaccine is recommended, the VSD will monitor the safety of these vaccines.

WAT
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I didn't listen to Idaho Doctor man, nor snoopydawg's posted vid yet. I have that Sting earworm again already...
too much information running through my brain
too much information driving me insane
--The Police

SHOP!

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@eyo @eyo @eyo

so much information running through my brain
too much information driving me insane

oh yeah, internetless life, those were the days, I could still think and read, long, long ago, and how little it was.

I hope you are well.

So, what do you think, is nuclear fission and radiation worse or less worse than the internet and its radiation?.

The question is what is it good for to be sane in an insane world? Imo, it is nothing good for, just causeng problems. So, I luckily die insane, right?

Have a good one, as the Americans say. What is the 'one' one has supposedly? A good day?

So, good day, for now.

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@mimi hi and thanks a lot for understanding. For sure I think internet radiation is the worst, absolutely! 100%! (yells at cloud, shakes fist at sky)

But wait, there's more! I mean, how would we talk without this blog and the sekret PMs and such? I can't even read your hand writing from the cards you sent last year, my vision is so shot. Thanks you and Lookout I still have all of the c99 savings account, but also the broken molar plus gum disease and my mental health is in the toilet all the time. Whoosh, keep flushing!

There is so much money pouring in to California right now... millions upon millions for the homeless crisis so say the headlines. And yet I see the same people living along the river without services, filling it with garbage to go with the toxic blue algae water. PU. Newsom's Project RoomKey or HomeKey or whatever that phony temporary shit is titled, I call it Project BoulderDrop because that is all they did for the encampments nearby. Scraped up the trash, removed the portable toilets, and blocked access with tons and tons of huge boulders. Homeless PLONK! Tax dollars at work.

My nephew is now an egg head at UCLA, I would never know if not for researchgate thanks to our radioactive internets, la la la: Study of instabilities in a quasi-2D MHD duct flow with an inflectional velocity profile

Intelligence clearly skips a generation here. I can't even grok wtf the Abstract says. Yay future!

The mechanisms responsible for instabilities and a transition to turbulence in liquid metal duct flows of a fusion blanket are not understood very well, which limits predictive capabilities for heat and material transport in a blanket. In order to elucidate such mechanisms in quasi-two-dimensional (Q2D) magnetohydrodynamic flows with inflection points, an experimental and computational effort is underway to electromagnetically induce a Q2D turbulent flow through the injection of current at the Hartmann walls. In such a flow, inflectional instabilities arise at the two locations where current is supplied. In the experiments, Hartmann wall inductive velocimetry is employed as the main flow diagnostics. The electric potential field is measured using an array of small probes embedded in the wall material, and the fluctuating velocity field is reconstructed from the potential data using Ohm's law. First experimental data have been taken, which are in qualitative agreement with the pre-experimental analysis, where the flows are numerically simulated using a Q2D flow model.

I just looked at my printed "Manga Guide to Electricity" for an Ohm's Law refresher. ha ha! Wow, "fluctuating velocity field is reconstructed from the potential data" sounds a bit Flux Capacitor to me. Whee!

Peace and Love

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@eyo

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Seems the FDA and CDC are playing semantic games to prove their pet theories.
Boulders don't seem effective in solving homelessness tho.

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@eyo @eyo
you talk about and I am too sad about it and much more.I have given up. I can't stand myself for giving up, but it is what it is.

I know we can't talk without the internet, but I hate the internet for how it forces us to converse with each other

I don't believe humans are made to talk to anonymous nick name personas by nature.

I will wait and see.

So at least my mental health is in the toiled too, may be if we flush together, we will make it and kick our mental health in the ass. Wink

Be well and peace and love always to you and all.

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Source: Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Through the Vaccine Safety Datalink, September 3, 2021

People in the US have received more than 342 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines, with the vast majority being mRNA vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna. In the study by Klein et al, the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were safe for the population overall (ie, there was no difference for any of the serious outcomes assessed), but an excess risk of myocarditis/pericarditis was identified for vaccinees aged 12 to 39 years. Anaphylaxis after mRNA vaccination was rare.

In this issue of JAMA, Klein et al5 apply RCA to assess the safety of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (BNT162b2 by Pfizer-BioNTech and mRNA-1273 by Moderna) from December 2020 through June 2021. The exposure of interest was receipt of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine, from 1 to 21 days after dose 1 or dose 2, of vaccine-eligible members of 8 US health plans that participated in the VSD. The expected number of events was determined by a concurrent comparison control group, primarily members who were vaccinated 22 to 42 days after their recent dose, but a secondary comparison control group also included unvaccinated members. Comparators were in the same age, sex, race and ethnicity, and site stratum as the vaccinated cases. Twenty-three serious outcomes were considered, selected based on data from the phase 3 clinical trial results for the mRNA vaccines (eg, Bell palsy, appendicitis), COVID-19 disease concerns (eg, acute myocardial infarction, acute respiratory distress syndrome), and other historical vaccine safety concerns (eg, Guillain-Barré syndrome, anaphylaxis).

...See linked article for full text...

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@edg thanks anyway.

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For example, this bit:

“If there’s a treatment for a disease, the federal government cannot approve a vaccine by law, by rule,” Cole falsely claimed, suggesting that federal agencies were withholding access to a treatment for COVID-19 so that they could instead profit from vaccines.

There are several problems with this statement.

First, there is no law barring vaccines if treatments are available for a given disease, said Jorge Contreras, a professor in the College of Law at the University of Utah who specializes in intellectual property and genetics and the law. He asked, “Why would there be such a law?”

Clearly there isn’t, Contreras pointed out, since the Food and Drug Administration authorizes a flu vaccine every year while Tamiflu, an antiviral drug used to treat the flu, has been available since the FDA approved it in 1999.

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The 'fact check' in this instance is technically correct, yet highly misleading - because at the time of Ryan's statement, and until quite recently, the 'vaccines' being used in the US did not have full approval but were under EUA's - Emergency Use Authorizations - which, *by law* are only allowed to be granted if there are *no* alternative treatments available.

But, of course, there ARE effective treatments and prophylaxes, even though the government continues claim otherwise (and hospitals to deny patients access to them).

Similarly, the supposed fact check claims to debunk Cole's claim about the vaccines resulting in cancer by citing a scientist claiming the vaccines themselves are unlikely to be carcinogenic. That may be true, but is irrelevant to what Cole is suggesting.

What Cole says in the Twitter video is that he is seeing weakened adaptive immunity in people post-vax, *in particular* lowered CD-8 or Cytotoxic T-cells which are responsible for countering viruses and cancer. Which is not the same as the vax itself being directly carcinogenic but, if confirmed, a potentially devastating indirect effect of the vaccines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytotoxic_T_cell

"I don't think we will be any closer to realizing what is going on by listening to folks like him."

Well, to me he seems like *exactly* the sort of person we should be listening to...

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@Blue Republic
The functionality of CD8 cells are quite closely watched with any vaccine. Published studies show the opposite effect of the claim above:
https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(21)00308-3

Another thought about a dramatic rise in cancer testing by Dr Cole: For the majority of 2020, people avoided going to the doctor (or were explicitly told to stay away from in-person visits!) for fear of contracting COVID. They skipped screening checkups that would detect new cancers. This was recognized by oncologists:
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2021/cancer-scre...
Once vaccinated, people were comfortable to return to normal screening and the cancers that were undiagnosed over the past year now could look like a boom in new diagnosis.

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@innatimm

did show an increase in CD-8 among those unexposed to Covid - though none among the cohort who had had it and recovered.

The population studied was small and follow-up was limited (as far as I could tell) to 2nd vax + 7 days so pretty limited. It could be that the effect that Dr. Cole is describing is something certain people are at greater risk for and/or something is happening further out in the timeline post-vaccination.

I'd be interested to see whether/how the adaptive immunity issues were dealt with in evaluating the mRNA treatments.

Totally agree about how the deferred screening will show up in higher rates for cancer and a whole host of other issues - fallout from misguided lockdown policies.

BTW - you might want to fix that link - I had to copy and paste to get it to work...

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@Blue Republic
Look at figure 3 in the paper below. The CEF control is for common pathogen immune epitopes (CMV, EBV, FLu) presented to CD8 t cells via MHC Class I (Direct from viral infected cells to CD8 cells) and the CEFT control is for common pathogen epitopes (CMV, EBV, FLu, Tetanus) presented via MHC Class II (via CD4 T cells and dendritic cells) You will notice the increase in spike protein specific (RBD) response after vaccination but no change in either control for both CD8 and CD4 t cells.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7#Sec5

I assure you that this a a very closely monitored parameter and if Dr Cole's assertions are correct I would think that we should have seen this in the data already. If he has more current data, he should present it with his talk. Sorry about the links and having to cut/paste. I'm not that good with computers Smile

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Krause and Gruber, joined a letter in the Lancet this week strongly warning against vaccine boosters (third jabs).

How significant is it that the two top FDA officials responsible for vaccine research resigned last week and this week signed a letter in The Lancet that strongly warns against vaccine boosters? This is a remarkable sign that the project of government-managed virus mitigation is in the final stages before falling apart.

The booster has already been promoted by top lockdown advocates Neil Ferguson of Imperial College and Anthony Fauci of NIH, even in the face of rising public incredulity toward their “expert” advice. For these two FDA officials to go on record with grave doubts – and their perspective is certainly backed by the unimpressive booster experience in Israel – introduces a major break in the narrative that the experts in charge deserve our trust and deference.

Link to quote source.

Link to Lancet.

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@peachcreek

It is rare (lol) for me to post an essay without commentary, but I did here and my tag is 'for what it is worth' so others can make up their minds on the post . Yes the quality of that video is poor, but I thought it was just my old crappy computer so sorry. Yes VAERS is an open website that anyone can post to, but it is only meant as a warning system of possible problem, but since the CDC doesn't follow up on the cases it is open for interpretation.

I haven't seen the cancer claim anywhere before either, but I have the increase in auto immune diseases and it is one of the contraindications that Pfizer posted on its website. I will look for that one later.

I did find this on auto immune again FWIW, but I have found some good info on the site.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589909020300186

FYI
I am seeing more states saying that they are going to have to triage patients even tho the number of people in hospitals are WAY DOWN from last year. So what happened? Hospitals closed and laid off staff because their profits weren't high enough. And remember

I would like to remind everyone that the United States has a for profit healthcare system. We have the fewest beds per capita than any industrialized country. We work on the margin squeezing out every dollar of profit. Patients are merely a commodity.

Government has placed Wall Street over We the People and it shows. We have the highest number of deaths and 'cases' in the world and every person in gov should hang their heads in shame. They won't tho.

Yes the dawg and I are doing well and getting ready to go camping again next week. Hopefully. I took the trailer in for a few upgrades and minor fixes and they kept calling with "Did you know this is broken, expired, needs replaced?" Hopefully it won't become a money pit. But it is a cherry trailer for a 2009 since they don't make that quality anymore. Sam gets my socks for me each morning and the last one is quite soggy since she likes to play with it first. She does just bring me my shoes.

Yay for the rain in your area. YeeGads what a long summer with the heat and the smoke for the west. There are indications of a La Nina this year and the jet stream is supposed to go north of us. I hope your area gets some good rain or snow. I am hoping for a very wet winter here cuz we need it. I posted pics of Echo dam a few months ago. Here is the current picture. That area USED to be under water.

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Take care.

edit wording. Mornings...I am sure I am allergic to them.

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So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
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@snoopydawg

Was intending to post the Dr. Cole clip myself.

I was wondering where the full interview might be found? I went to the
healthfreedomidaho.org site but couldn't find it there.

If the current 'vaccinations' are, in fact, impairing people's adaptive immune systems, as Dr. Cole suggests may be happening, and especially if they are lowering the count of Cytotoxic T-cells (or "CD-8" cells) which are a primary defense against viruses and cancer... then the results could be horrific.

I've heard the odd anecdotal report of highly aggressive cancers seemingly popping up out of nowhere - we just lost a member here in such a scenario. Obviously, it's something that should be researched further, but to assume from the get-go that such cases are extremely rare anomalies and unrelated to the vaccines could end up being very costly.

Just another 'anecdote', but you have to wonder how many are out there... and whether anyone in authority is interested in finding out whether such rare and isolated cases really *are*?

https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2021/08/21/cancer-after-covid-19-vaccine/

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and it was melanoma, but they were hopeful that they got it all since I came in so early after I saw it. They did a larger excision a week ago and said that they got it all, but also sent in a deeper sample to pathology and called yesterday saying it was negative. So thankfully I am 'cancer free' but will need to be closely watched for while. I try not to think of the many who weren't able to have theirs checked during the shutdowns. Why weren't doctors considered ESSENTIAL workers too? How many people who were in chemo and other treatments are now over the line for treatments? Who made that boneheaded decision in the first place because if you are trying to save lives you save ALL lives, not just those who are infected with the current disease. This happened all over the world. Hard not to think that there was a nefarious reason behind that. Diabetics needing kidney dialysis? Were they told to wait?

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@Blue Republic
Here:

That is where it used to be. More censoring, I guess.
Try this link

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@ovals49
make sense of the following graph:

covid-vaccinations-vs-covid-death-rate(1).png

Bangladesh and India have fewer vaccination rates but use ivermectin as a prophylaxis to help protect from serious and possibly fatal infection.

The US and Israel offer no other remedies other than A VACCINE THAT DOES NOT VACCINATE. If someone contracts COVID-19 they have to remain isolated at home until they get better or sick enough to be admitted to hospital. There's is no other remedy. All the drugs authorized can only be given legally in a hospital setting. This policy is fucking nuts! Is it any wonder why the death rate is climbing?

The only thing going for the US and Israeli plan it is a fantastic money maker for the hospitals.

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One thing I’ve read is that one’s immunity goes down after being injected and that could be why so many people are experiencing infections and other diseases. Without long term studies we can’t know what is true or not. Many normal test subjects were excluded from the trials and then there are the trial subjects that were given the vaccines before the trials ended. I’d like to see an explanation for why they did that.

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CDC Endorses Use of Ivermectin … for Afghan Refugees!

“I have long been convinced that Nature has all the solutions we need to solve our past … that will be the primary source of the treasures and solutions that we seek.”
~ Professor Satashi Omura, Nobel co-laureate for the discovery of ivermectin

Looking at 2019 CDC guidance, one has to wonder if one of the reasons why there is such a run on ivermectin is because our own government is using it. And no, not for horses, but for refugees. Yet these same government agencies are running a blood libel-style smear campaign against the drug and its users by misleading people into conflating it with a veterinarian version of the drug, leading many people to think it’s some sort of poison for humans. In the process, they are leaving thousands of COVID patients without any other options for treatment.
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The CDC advises the International Organization for Migration (IOM) physicians who screen the refugees for departure, and U.S. doctors who treat them upon arrival, to prescribe “all Middle Eastern, Asian, North African, Latin American, and Caribbean refugees” with ivermectin and albendazole.
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As for the drug’s exact mechanism of action against COVID, Dr. Ryan Cole, a brilliant Mayo Clinic-trained pathologist, listed eight different mechanisms in an exclusive interview with TheBlaze:

  1. Inhibits binding at ACE2 and TMPRSS2, keeping the virus from entering our cells.
  2. Blocks alpha/beta importin (the virus cell taxi), keeping it from getting to the nucleus.
  3. Blocks the viral replicase zipper (RdRp).
  4. 3-Chimotrypsin protease inhibition (keeps the virus from assembling).
  5. Ivermectin strengthens our natural antiviral cell activity by increasing our natural interferon production (this counters SARSCOV2 activity, which inhibits cellular interferon).
  6. Decreases IL-6 and other inflammatory cytokines through NF Kappa Beta downregulation, taking the patient from a cytokine storm to calm.
  7. Binds NSP14, necessary for viral replication, and blocks it (equals less virus).
  8. Most important mechanism is inhibiting binding to CD147 receptor on red cells, platelets, lung, and blood cell lining. Ivermectin keeps the virus from binding here and decreases deadly clotting.
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Actually can't find the words. So the CDC does know that ivermectin is effective yet the FDA is advising against it and telling us that we aren't horses and stupid if we take it? I hope the shitlibs see that info and start asking questions since they belittle and cheer at anyone's death if they weren't vaxxed. I think their using vaccines only and discouraging ivermectin and other drugs is a huge crime against humanity. Who was it here that said we needed more Nuremberg trials? Absolutely.

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that is reserved for those who say heinous things when someone who they ‘think' was unvaxxed died. They think that anyone who doesn’t get vaccinated deserves to have whatever happens to them without realizing that many democrats and minorities haven’t been. They also don’t want anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated to be refused medical treatment and just so many other crappy things that I never would have believed they would say.

They are now for censorship and taking away our rights, have fallen in love with intelligence agencies and wants only vaxxed people to be able to be in society. Democrats pushing Orange Man bad and Russia Russia Russia broke their minds and now even when credible evidence comes out against the narrative they don’t believe it. John Durham's recent investigation that got an indictment on one of Hillary’s cronies has to be false because Trump/Barr appointed him.

This fits them to a T.

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ivermectin and albendazole are both antiparasitics. Africa has major parasite problems. Those people are being treated for parasites, not Covid.

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@edg , they aren't getting COVID in large numbers.

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@edg
But the FDA and MSM have been hyping it as a dangerous drug and constantly conflates the human with the animal form (flavoured paste) to debase the drug. In fact you personally have denigrated ivermectin as:

unapproved horse dewormer to "treat" Covid. This is a true case of ROTFLMAO.

Ivermectin has been given safely to over 4 billion people worldwide. The fact that the federal government has given blanket approval for ALL refugees of ALL ages to be administered ivermectin should say something about it's safety profile. BTW, they don't normally require refugees to take ivermectin but they're doing so at the height of the pandemic. Plus they're also giving it to people that do not come from nations that have a problem that warrants giving them this drug in the first place. Maybe there is an ulterior motive???

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 64 studies
Covid Analysis, Sep 18, 2021

  • Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 68% [52‑78%] and 86% [75‑92%] improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis, with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis and restriction to peer-reviewed studies or Randomized Controlled Trials.
  • Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, recovery, cases, and viral clearance. 29 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation.
  • Results are very robust — in worst case exclusion sensitivity analysis 53 of 64 studies must be excluded to avoid finding statistically significant efficacy.


Global ivermectin adoption for COVID-19: 36%


Two nations that use ivermectin with fewer vaccinations have less deaths per capita than the two that banned ivermectin and relied on higher vaccinations.
covid-vaccinations-vs-covid-death-rate(1).png

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The correct response to someone who supports going to war if China attacks Taiwan is “Are you enlisted?”

The correct response when they inevitably answer “no” is “Then shut the fuck up.”

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@ggersh

and I also remember that when I got the chickenpox as a wee child I didn't have to get vaxxed for it because I had lifelong immunity to it. I did get a rubella vax in my 20's for added protection, but I don't remember the science behind it. It was recommended for women IIRC.

I got the smallpox one to protect myself and if I was exposed to someone who hadn't I still had protection. Biden is saying that the unvaxxed need to get them to protect the vaxxed from the unvaxxed. Pretty sure they told us that once vaxxed people could ditch their masks because they were protected...but now not so much.

It is all the flip flops that are keeping people from believing what politicians are telling them. Fauxi's firing would go a long way to restoring trust. More people are aware how he refused to suggest Bactrim and other antibiotics during AIDS. As Jimmy stated, how many lives could have been saved if we had universal health care? And not just for the Rona.

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@snoopydawg had the measles( or chickenpox), my mother kept me home with them hoping I'd catch it also, but all I got out of it was a stinking 2 week vacation from school Wink

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The correct response when they inevitably answer “no” is “Then shut the fuck up.”

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That was a thing back before the vaxxes because moms wanted their kids exposed to it so they weren't constantly taking care of sick kids. I vaguely remember how itchy the sores were and being told not to scratch them. BUT they itch!! I also had the measles and remember my fever dreams. One was a reoccurring one later in my life. 2 stick figures running towards each other and when they met they put their foreheads together and just stared angrily at each other. I guess I was one of them since I remember the eyes. Chickenpox for adults is dangerous. I remember a man in ICU with it and it went into his throat and lungs and after a valiant effort and long stay he died.

Did you ever get them or did you get the vax? Maybe you had been exposed, but your immune system fought it off?

Mumps, measles and chickenpox parties were in vogue back then. But how many decades did they work on making efficient vaccines? Years, decades not months.

The info coming out of Israel is a nightmare. We disregard it at our own expense.

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@snoopydawg I must've had the vaccine or natural immunity if it was around back then, late 50's.

I did get the Shingles vaccine earlier this year though and had a little bit of a reaction
just under the top layer of my skin, it was weird.

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The correct response when they inevitably answer “no” is “Then shut the fuck up.”

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@snoopydawg
He knows where and into who's pockets the billions of NIAID government funding has gone since 1984. Fauci is the J Edgar Hoover of the US National Institutes of Health.

He likes to cover his ass:

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@CB RFK Jr's upcoming book on Fauci (unless something bad happens to it before Nov). Looks like a badly needed deep dive into the most powerful public health bureaucrat in the world, always treated with kid gloves by our MSM. According to a listen to a Chris Martenson interview, if I heard correctly RFKJr apparently has Fauci with a CIA background, and taking Pentagon $$ in recent times to help fund gain of function research in places like Wuhan.

Been at NIH since 1968, head of NIAID since 1984, nation's highest paid gov't official, more than El Presidente. I would imagine only 2% of the public is aware of his key, controversial role in the AIDS crisis of the 80s.

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@wokkamile
to direct US gov't largess to his cronies.

TBTB have mounted damage control for Saint Fauci. (Take note of like/dislike)

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That turned my stomach and look at how he made himself seem like the savior during the AIDS epidemic. "I finally put myself in their shoes and that is why I decided to say they could use Bactrim to save their lives after 8 years of dragging my feet on it."

I will stop here....cuz else wise.....

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In a free country civil liberties are not only for certain groups.
So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

@snoopydawg hi, I mean aren't we all in the "long term trials" right here, right now? I got kinda triggered by edg drunk posting or whatever that was, something like an MSNBC OD. over dose So I went back and listened to Jimmy Dore's interview with Dr. Robert Malone. He should clip that down and upload the smaller chunks as a public service if you ask me, but... ya know nobody does.
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Jimmy Dore says he's in an Ivermectin trial now 'cause he got long covid symptoms after his second jab. BOOM! Go Jimmy go! Where was I? Oh yeah, The NIH (if you do not bring them a shrubbery they will say nih to you. Nih!):
Last Updated: July 19, 2021
Table 2c. Ivermectin: Selected Clinical Data
Whole lot of "no difference" "no significant difference" "did not improve" and by golly I think I am improving my skills how to spot a shite study. heh

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I salute all of you who are reading and attempting to understand the science and nonsense that is driving the Covid Vaccine controversy.

I have given up on personally understanding most of this.

What I do know, is that the Booster intends to pump even more of what we already have endured into our systems and on that, I have drawn the line.

It seems that many voices in the community are speaking up now against rushing for boosters until more testing is done and for that I am grateful.

The best outcome is that Booster cheerleaders will never be able to mandate their usage. Could happen. not impossible. fingers crossed.

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on your first two paragraphs.

may i add a bit of a non sequitur? recently there was a disagreement on covid stats in cuba,
and i couldn't find the popular resistance newsletter that had contained this from telesur english, FWIW:

Cuba To Receive 8.7 Million Syringes from Its Residents Abroad, sept. 13, 2021,

Some 8.7 million syringes and medical and hospital supplies will soon reach Cuba thanks to the solidarity of nationals abroad and organizations supporting the island, Cuban media reported Monday.

According to Humberto Pérez, coordinator of the Asociación Martiana de Cubanos Residentes en Panamá, organizer of the shipment, the donation is part of the campaign Rompamos el Bloqueo, in which organizations present in more than 28 Latin American, Caribbean and European countries participate.

In a few days, the first of five containers will arrive from China with the aid collected to support the anti-COVID-19 vaccination, an effort supported by trade union organizations and young graduates of Cuban educational institutions.

i'll also add canadian cory morningstar's pinned tweet:

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@wendy davis @wendy davis
is on UN US sanctions list

Scabies on the Rise and Spreading in Cuba
May 18, 2021
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Permethrin, benzyl benzoate and ivermectin (drugs in the basic list for scabies treatment) are the most highly sought-after in medicine exchange, donation and buying and selling groups. Posts and comments are testament to this. However, the government has said little or nothing about this “plague” that has the country itching all over.
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Cubans cannot even get ivermectin for their horses.

https://cubashorses.org/index.php/portfolio-items/miguel-and-ivermectim-...

With the US embargo tubes of ivermectin is hard to come by. As no deworming products labeled for horses are actually sold in Cuba, one of Cuba’s Horses priorities is to ensure that horses have available to dewormers as well as to develop programs for regular treatment against parasites.

Look at the difference ivermectin has played in the countries that use it compared to those that don't: COVID-19 vaccinations vs. new COVID-19 deaths, Dec 1, 2020 to Sep 17, 2021 IND~CUB~USA~BGD~ISR

Global ivermectin adoption for COVID-19: 36%

Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 64 studies - pdf

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at Peak Prosperity, bringing the best information to the public. Here is a great video to digest.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/medical-imperialism-driven-by-pure-greed-...

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@Raggedy Ann @Raggedy Ann

EDIT: I HAVE TAKEN THE J&J JAB

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The correct response when they inevitably answer “no” is “Then shut the fuck up.”

Caitlin

@ggersh Neverending poison injected into us for other people's benefit.

NO.

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@NYCVG
vaccination requirements for housing and employment. You can bet that "booster" requirements are soon to follow. As the old Salsa commercial said "Get a Rope."

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

that so far, vaccination is not the solution that TPTB and the corporate media have so obnoxiously been pushing. It seems the health system is failing spectacularly and COVID is outpacing our pathetic efforts at every step. Since our efforts to rein this thing in have been laughably pathetic, this development is no surprise.

The Israeli Health Ministry announced Monday that over 10 percent of Israeli children who have been diagnosed with coronavirus are showing signs of post-acute COVID-19 (“long COVID”), meaning they are suffering COVID-19 symptoms for over four weeks after initial infection, according to the Times of Israel.

Israel was one of the first countries to vaccinate their citizens against COVID-19. With one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, with over 61 percent of the population fully vaccinated and the older population receiving a third booster shot, the current average of daily cases has skyrocketed to 7,500. Their growing case rate and infections among children clearly demonstrate that adult vaccination is insufficient at protecting children from infection.

A mitigation strategy based solely on vaccination will not be sufficient to stop the spread of the virus and will inevitably expose millions of children worldwide to the possibility of life-long organ damage.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/18/isra-s18.html

It looks to me, at this point anyway, that the children may pay a very high price for the sloppy and inept handling of this pandemic. We could have done a much better job. We still could work on trying to minimize this potential disaster but I don't see any signs that we will. I cannot understand why we insist on opening schools to full in-person instruction with no option for on-line instruction . Our schools pack the kids In like sardines. It's the most perfect environment to spread contagion of an aerosolized viral particle. The virus could not ask for a better place to grow and replicate. It's as if we are trying to infect the kids and, by extension, the community.

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@randtntx
no lie! People think their kids will get athletic scholarships although only one in a million get them. Here in my district (in Cook County IL) school was abolished but sports continued! By abolished, i mean "on-line learning" that only 37% bothered to log in on but all the kids were advanced to the next grade. Too much knowledge in a slave isn't desirable anyway.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness , are a big scam. How many injuries do these kids rack up? Most kids shouldn't do school sports in a "serious" way. I would concede that there are some who really are good and really love a particular sport and have real potential to make it to the highest level of competition. But most kids should just stick to intramural type activities....where it's just fun and you are less likely to sustain those awful injuries that plague so many of the highly competitive sports.

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According to Haaretz, Israel’s Education Ministry estimated in early August that 5,000 students will be infected daily by the time the school year starts on September 1. Nevertheless, the Israeli government proceeded to reopen schools as planned. Health Ministry Director-General Nachman Ash stated that reopening schools will be advantageous because it will allow “experimentation with all the methods we want to introduce, such as quick tests, quarantining versus not quarantining, and gaining trust in serological tests,” underscoring the absolute criminality of the reopening campaign.

Experimenting to see what works? Good lord. The world already saw that happen on a certain group of people and those who survived said Never Again and yet there they are doing it to their own kids.

Hey maybe try experimenting with ivermectin like one doctor there said has gotten good results. Just a thought. Beyond words here with that type of thinking that he said out loud.

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So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
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Maybe if people’s employer provided insurance is good enough they won’t be on the hook for future medical bills, but many others only have the over priced ACA which still leaves them paying thousands of their bills. I’ve seen some people saying that they will have their employer sign a letter stating that they will pay for any treatments they need, but will that stand up?

I just read a thread on how many people got adverse reactions after getting vaccinated and the stories are heartbreaking. Seeing an increase in car accidents too after getting them. People are scared about the unknowns and rightly so.

Mandating them is one step over the line that no one should be in favor of, because once they can make us inject something into our bodies what’s next? Mandatory bone marrows, organ donations, or whatever it’s a slippery slope that needs to be braked. IMO.

Thanks everyone for a good discussion.

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Biden has declared Covid a health emergency which means that he can legally give us universal health care like Obama did for Libby Montana. But of course he won’t go against his masters. But here is one more way that government sets us up to lose our homes because we can’t afford medical treatment bills.

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even though it had been a well established drug used to treat it since the 70's. He now wants one for ivermectin even though there has been numerous trials for it and he only needs to look at what happened in India when they started using it.

The long road to PCP prophylaxis in AIDS. An early history.

It’s a sad largely neglected history. Many lives were shortened before 1989 when interventions to prevent this type of pneumonia were finally recommended by government officials for people with AIDS.

Because there are a number of immunological disorders that result in a susceptibility to similar opportunistic infections that are characteristic of AIDS, PCP had been well studied before AIDS appeared. When the epidemic began we knew how to diagnose this particular opportunistic infection, we knew how to treat it and we also knew how to prevent it.

As early as 1977 it had been well established that PCP could be prevented by an inexpensive medication, yet official recommendations for the use of this and other interventions as prophylactic agents against PCP in people with AIDS did not appear until 1989.

This long delay is a strange episode in the history of medicine, although it is barely remembered today. But anyone who experienced the first decade of the epidemic in the US will remember the scourge that was PCP.
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To get an idea of the extent of the fatalities this pneumonia caused, Michael Callen asked a CDC statistician in 1989 how many AIDS related PCP deaths had occurred since the beginning of the epidemic. As of February 20th, 1989, 30,534 Americans had died of AIDS-associated PCP. The year is significant as it was then that the CDC finally issued recommendations for the prevention of PCP, using a drug that had been known to prevent this kind of pneumonia since 1977.

The drug in question is Bactrim, also known as Septra, Septrin or co-trimoxazole. It is actually a combination of two drugs, trimethoprim and sulfamethoxyzole. It has been available as an inexpensive generic product for many years.

"It is particularly galling to me that 16,929 of the 30,534 unneccessary PCP deaths occurred since May of 1987, the date on which I and other AIDS activists met with Dr. Anthony Fauci (the closest person we have to an AIDS czar) to ask him - no, to beg him - to issue interim guidelines urging physicians to prophylax those patients deemed at high risk for PCP. He steadfastly refused to issue such guidelines. His reason? No data. As a result many more people died of PCP who didn’t have to".

Dr. Fauci wanted data from a clinical trial of Bactrim for PCP prophylaxis in AIDS before he would recommend its use. But people were dying of PCP at a terrifying rate; I and some other physicians could not wait for these recommendations. I was routinely prescribing Bactrim, or another drug, dapsone to patients I deemed to be at risk for PCP.

Worth a full read. How many deaths does Fauxi have on his conscience? Maybe the money he’s made can buy him out of his rightful place in hell. IMO.

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@snoopydawg

How many deaths does Fauxi have on his conscience?

that could tell us definitively whether he *has* one?

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first few minutes gets the idea...

And please note the FLCCC has been forced to move to odysee because of censorship.
https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c
you will have to copy and paste the link to get to their weekly updates and commentaries. these clips are pretty powerful ... testimony from patients, doctors , and nurses.

WTF no discussion allowed about science from practitioners. Shows the depth to which we have fallen, and greed to which we've succumbed.
https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/FLCCC-WEBINAR-091521_Pharmagedon:7

Good luck and good night!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout I would like to get their weekly updates and input.

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that the same people gnashing their teeth over highly effective Covid vaccines are vapidly eager to use unapproved horse dewormer to "treat" Covid. This is a true case of ROTFLMAO.

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@edg

to those talking about ivermectin here or you would know that ivermectin comes in pills designed for humans. Or that after towns in India started using it the numbers have fallen to almost zero. But ivermectin is not what this essay is about.

Interesting that your only comments in this essay are derisive and you have nothing to say about what we’ve been discussing or about the dangers of the vaccines. And they are NOT highly affective as you say as comments here and in the tweets have shown. Care to do it now? BTW why do you care what people use if you are vaccinated? Aren’t you safe from those who are not?

This site has one rule. DBAD. Remember?

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@edg

Anything to say about this?

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@edg
It doesn't appear to be that highly effective now. It looks like you'll have to get a 'booster' shot every 6 months.

Hours before the F.D.A. vote, the C.D.C. released a study showing waning protection of the Pfizer vaccine.
Sept. 17, 2021

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released data on Friday indicating that the level of protection against Covid hospitalizations afforded by the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine dropped significantly in the four months after full inoculation.

When your "highly effective Covid vaccines" does not come up to standards maybe you can just redefine what you mean by "effective" and even your very definition of "vaccines". Apparently these 'vaccines' don't even confer immunity anymore.

CDC redefines ‘vaccine’ in wake of mRNA jab’s plunging efficacy
Wed Sep 15, 2021

WASHINGTON (LifeSiteNews) — The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) quietly updated its definition of “vaccine” and “vaccination” on September 1 from providing “immunity” to merely providing “protection.”

Between 2015 and August 2021, the CDC had defined a vaccine as “[a] product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”

But following increasing skepticism over the term “vaccine” being applied to the newly developed mRNA jabs against COVID-19 from experts in medicine, the CDC adjusted the definition at the beginning of September, now describing a vaccine as “[a] preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

Similarly, the word “vaccinating” is now, according to the CDC’s definition, less specific about the level of resistance a subject should receive from the medication.

Between 2015 and August 2021, the definition of vaccination provided by the CDC was “[t]he act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been dropped in favor of the less precise term “protection” to define vaccination as “[t]he act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.”

Current US deaths/million 2,075 64% vaccinated w/o prophylaxis
Current India deaths/million 319 42% vaccinated w/ ivermectin

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Easy look at the changing definitions here’s what the CDC changed on what vaccines are such to do for us.

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They also changed how we get to herd immunity. From being exposed to the virus and vaccines to just vaccines only. They also changed how long natural immunity lasts. From life time to just a few months. But sure Biden is following the science just as much as Trump did. Gah no wonder more people are finding it hard to trust the government.

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So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause.
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@snoopydawg "Follow the money."

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@on the cusp
It is supposed to be out in a month or so. You take one twice per day as an adjunct to the vaccine. It helps to keep you out of the hospital - a bargain at $9.99/pill.

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@CB more like $500 for 20 pills. Minimum being 20 pills.
We are so screwed.

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@ggersh @on the cusp

for three weeks now, according to the FLCCC prevention protocol:

lvermectin
Chronic Prevention
0.2 mg/kg per dose (take with or after a meal) — twice a week for as long as disease risk is elevated in your community.

No problems so far, for me or my SO.

Cost, incl. shipping to Japan from India, about $90-95 for 48 12mg tablets, so about 8 bucks a week for me, half that for a smaller person.

YMMV, of course.

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@Blue Republic
against a future, symptomatic, infection. When I have been out and about, shopping or socializing, I use a 1% Povidone Iodine nasal spray 3x/day and gargle 3x/day with mouthwash containing Cetylpyridinium Chloride. Both are available over-the-counter and have demonstrated significant antiviral properties. The virus replicates primarily in the nasal-pharyngeal areas. Early prophylaxis is smart, waiting until you can’t breathe or putting complete trust in the protection afforded by imperfect vaccines is not.

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@ovals49

Yes, if you only have a small amount, probably better to save it to use should you become symptomatic. Hadn't thought of the nasal spray and have been inconsistent with the gargling.
Getting better with that, though - in Japan most people do it as a matter of course, they teach and encourage it in elementary schools.

It sounds like if Covid doesn't make it past the nose/sinus/mouth/throat that the chances of it becoming serious are fairly small...

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@Blue Republic @Blue Republic I've ordered some and the shipment is on the way. $100 for 10 strips of 10 12mg pills

EDIT: I'm also getting it from India, once I receive them I'll be more than happy to put out the website link from where I got them.

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The correct response when they inevitably answer “no” is “Then shut the fuck up.”

Caitlin

@ggersh

I started out with 12mg (Half dose for me) and moved up to 24mg twice a week the last two weeks.

That may be more than necessary but, barring problems, will stick with that for a while as it is possible that that will deal with underlying virus or fungi issues I'm not aware of and the safety profile appears to give a big margin before you would get into overdose territory.

A popular Japanese site here recommends the two doses spread out over three days initially and then a single dose once a week (for prophylaxis) others say every two weeks is enough. It's prescribed for dogs and cats around here for heart worm prevention, pretty sure that is just once a month.

Hope your shipment comes through OK - that sound like an appropriate price - going through Japanese sites we got dinged for a bit more. Distressing to hear that many people were having problems trying to get it through FLCCC. Hard to know if there is some sort of scam involved or they are just overwhelmed and under-organized.

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@Blue Republic

but they do provide contact info for Dr.s that will prescribe it and online pharmacies that will fill prescriptions. Their only “product” is information gleaned from their professional experience, and that information is free to all who care to read it. Their contribution button is for contributions, which provide no additional ‘perks’ to those who contribute.

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Vax or IVM and treatments. The correct thought is we need both. Are we so divided that everything devolves to red pill, blue pill? All black and white but no gray?

I continue to hear from expert after expert that we will all catch this disease. Most vaxed folks will have no or mild symptoms (yet spread it as effectively as a non-vaxed individual). However some vaxed people will get ill, be hospitalized and some even die.

If these vax only, but NO treatment, people were in that boat...sick and going to the hospital...my bet is they would change their tune just as the hospitalized non-vaxed are asking for a vax now...obviously not understanding that it takes weeks after being vaxed to develop even weak immunity.

The speed of change (future shock) has broken our brains. So has the suppression of information about not only treatments but the number and severity of adverse vax reactions. Present the data and trust people to make the best decision for their particular situation.

As Jimmy said of TDS russiagaters, "they are using the lizard part of their brain."
Those in an either or camp are as well IMO.

I'm glad we can discuss what info we can find. The power of the MSM is strong and some among us are ensnared. Don't be mad at them. They too are victims. As Dr Kory said a few weeks ago..."I'm through arguing about IVM. It is a proven effective treatment for COVID". I'm following suit. Why has this become such an inflammatory topic? Kinda crazy, big pharma's control of group think.

Edit to add:
This makes it plain TPTB are trying to keep people scared. (8 min)

Some hospitals get up to $50,000 per COVID patient.

“Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome”.

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@Lookout as well as covid cases? It sure looks like the vaccine was worthless except for big pharma. Might the vaccine actually make you more suspectible to catching Covid?

Some people call it interesting times, I call it insane times, for the response to Covid has been nothing short of total failure by tptb against ordinary people.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/israel

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@ggersh

...at least we have that.

John talked about when to contract COVID. He plans to wait till after his 3rd jab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUoWSfN3xo8 (15 min)
from the notes under the clip...

We also anticipate booster shots will likely be needed for people who received the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) vaccine.

Pandemic Institute, Liverpool

Seem like I remember you got the J&J. Personally I'm not worrying with a third jab. However, EVERYONE needs to make their own decision. There is not universal answer...do what makes sense to you!

I think getting COVID while you have vaccine immunity would be wise. In fact if I was able I would be looking at low dose viral exposure for people. We know symptoms are dependent on initial viral load, so a low load infections seems likely to be non symptomatic....but no real money in that so I doubt it is an avenue of investigation.

All the best!

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@Lookout on this one. My approach is and will remain to do all I can, within reason, to avoid getting Covid, period. One thought from a non-scientist: We just don't know enough about this unusual beast to say for certain whether once inside the body it doesn't remain dormant for a long time before emerging again perhaps years from now to do considerable harm.

So I'd rather take my chances continuing to stay safe, building my innate immune system, taking the IVM prophylactically, etc. I'll make it very hard for this virus to get inside, recognizing however that nothing is 100%. If I get unlucky, then I 'll deal with it per FLCCC guidelines, and figure I should be okay.

No Covid vaccines for me either. I know enough now with how they were given rushed EUA, no long-term studies, and the troubling VAERS numbers, to make vaccines a dangerously High Risk proposition for me.

Clean slate on Covid so far, and always a clean slate against taking these dubious vaccines.

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@wokkamile

now is that true? It is what most but not all experts are suggesting.

“Given Delta’s contagiousness & the fitness of future mutations in order to beat it, this means SARS-CoV-2 will be contagious enough that everyone will get the virus,” Slavitt wrote as part of the thread. “The aim is simply that more people get it be vaccinated when they do so fewer get COVID.”

But not everyone agreed with Slavitt’s take on the subject. Dr. Ellie Murray, an epidemiology professor at the Boston University School of Public Health, said in a tweet Slavitt’s commentary was “such a dangerous take.”

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/will-everyone-get-covid-at-some-p...

So there is disagreement.

Hey it's not like I'm trying to get COVID...I may have already had an asymptomatic case. That's kinda the dilemma. I know I'm through being overly cautious like I was at the beginning of the pandemic. And we are not attending large gatherings and events, but I intend to this spring if the situations goes as I suspect. So I'm still at a wait and see. None the less I found John's point of view of interest.

Stay well...sounds like you will.

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@Lookout

since it is so prevalent and causes other diseases. I have seen some talk about that, but a study would be interesting if they could. It might be why some people only get a mild case of of it too, while others immune systems get overwhelmed. There is so much that they still don't know about this disease. It would help immensely if they quit lying to us about this and that and the other things. The vaccine only approach will look back on with a WTF?

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@snoopydawg

to determine numbers of prior infections. Antibodies fade so that wouldn't be a good measure, however T-cell immunity is longer term, and might be a testing parameter.

Measuring COVID T Cell immunity
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210902124937.htm

Sadly I think all we want to solve is how to maximize big pharma profits, not to understand this disease and its progression.

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He plans to wait till after his 3rd jab.

Malone has stated that with vaccinations “more is better” is not always the case. I believe he called it “High Zone Tolerance” ; where too much vaccine, or too frequent vaccinations can actually reduce a persons immune response. I do not recall his explanation of the exact mechanism, but it is apparently a well known potential problem. He pointed to some of the recent Israel data suggesting it may already be happening. Time will tell.

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“If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking” - Gen. George S. Patton

“Without a diversity of opinions, the discovery of truth is impossible.” - Alexander von Humboldt

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to getting this virus. Accepting that we will get it is also difficult.

This is an interesting take...6 min

This is similar to my current view.

EDIT to add....
I'll be glad when we can get a T-cell test in order to determine if I've already had an infection.

Well there is a test available...
https://www.t-detect.com/

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout argument, certainly wrt relaxing rules at universities and not freaking out when cases occur. Too many uni admins are going way overboard in their futile attempts at achieving zero-Covid.

And pols, including Biden and Newsom, appear to be listening only to the usual Fauci-type of narrow band of alleged health experts, and so we get vaccine mandates. Ineffective to stop the virus, as vaccines are likely only to exacerbate the problem, and politically unwise as the mandates tick off too many workers who would normally be in the D camp.

Even as I agree Sars-2 will become endemic, just the same I prefer not to just throw in the towel and accept the inevitable. My feisty nature I suppose.

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