Why are we throwing Greenpeace under the bus?
[Cross-posted from Daily Kos]
By now, most of you have seen this video:
[video:https://youtu.be/sO-sgjJ36eo]
First off, I wonder why Bill hasn’t told Hillary you never point at people. You use a closed fist with the thumb out. He pioneered the gesture.
Eva Resnick-Day, the activist who confronted Hillary has written a post recounting her experience and what she was trying to do:
I care deeply about tackling climate change and I’m deeply concerned about the state of our democracy. I work for Greenpeace USA as a democracy organizer. I do not work for and am in no way affiliated with the Sanders campaign, as Clinton seemed to suggest in her response.
Greenpeace USA, along with 20 other organizations, launched the pledge to #FixDemocracy, asking all presidential candidates to reject future fossil fuel contributions, champion campaign finance reform, and defend the right to vote for all.
When we launched the campaign, Sanders signed the pledge immediately. Hillary’s campaign responded, but did not sign. Unsurprisingly, the Republican presidential candidates who won’t even admit that climate change is real — while real communities on the frontlines are already impacted — did not respond to our request.
Eva was following up on that pledge.
Now, probably for the first time, Greenpeace activists are being panned on this site. We loved Greenpeace when they helped uncover information that forced David Koch off the board of the Museum of Natural History. We cheered them when they uncovered how Charles Koch’s lobbyists were infiltrating higher ed. We took our hats off to the bold Greenpeace activists who dangled off a bridge to prevent a Shell ice-breaker to leave port and help drill in the Arctic.
But now that they are trying to make Hillary Clinton a BetterDemocratTM, they are suddenly persona non-grata.
And what exactly was the “smear” from Greenpeace ? Hillary has indeed taken over well over 1 million from lobbyists for oil and gas companies:
Number of oil, gas and coal industry lobbyists that have made direct contributions to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign: 58
58 registered oil, coal and gas lobbyists have personally given $138,400 to the Clinton campaign.
Of those 58, 11 are bundlers.
11 lobbyists have bundled $1,327,210 in contributions to the Clinton campaign.
43 lobbyists have contributed the maximum allowed ($2,700).
This includes:Lobbyists who have reported lobbying for the oil and gas industry – both in-house company lobbyists and hired lobbyists from “K-Street firms.”
No one is contesting this, though the Hillary campaign keeps trying to conflate the lobbyist contributions with those from people working at Oil and Gas companies (that counts for another, quite separate $309,107).
Why do we suddenly believe that funds from lobbyists should be unmentionable or shouldn’t count? Or that Greenpeace is somehow smearing Hillary when they say (correctly) that she did not sign the pledge which Bernie did?
But of course, these are rhetorical questions. I know why Greenpeace is suddenly unwelcome.
It’s Standard Operating Procedure to isolate and diminish the left when there’s a challenge to a centrist candidate. It happens all the time.
Whenever someone has the temerity to say that a candidate might not inspire the left, they are instantly pounced on. You'll be handing the election to Trump! Don’t you remember Nader!!!
Questioning Hillary's electability because the left might stay at home is verboten. But if you say Bernie’s unelectable because “people” might stay home rather than vote for a “socialist”. Well, you’ll be mobbed by a virtual chorus of nodding sages. They are mirror-image arguments about turning off voters at different ends of the ideological spectrum. Yet one is acceptable, the other not. Besides, like I’ve argued before, the one dimensional left/center/right model is quite flawed.
There are two possible lessons from the 2000 election for Democrats:
We have to make sure those stupid voters on the left are scared out of their wits enough that they don’t vote for a third-party candidate.
We have to appeal to the left so that they don’t feel the need for a third party candidate.
You can guess which one people invariably reach. The third possible lesson, that Gore might have been a bad candidate because he lost his home state and would carry the baggage of the Lewinski scandal is similarly unmentionable.
Btw, that is what happened to Mcgovern too. The establishment abandoned him before and after the Eagleton fiasco. So he's now held up as an example of unelectability.
Okay, you can now return to phonebanking for Bernie!
Comments
I'm assuming
...this was crossposted. C99 certainly isn't throwing Greenpeace under any bus.
Yeah, my first thought, who is "We"?
Yeah, seriously confused.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpsEdM74maA]
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Probably ought to be edited to reflect
it's posting here, vs. somewhere else.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Assuming this is a Cross post?
Because I don't think we at C99 have said anything about Greenpeace other than supportive statements.
Far as Hillary's campaign goes, they have thrown the left under a line of buses that was then crushed by GRAVEDIGGER!!!!!! On SUNDAY, SUNDAY, SUNDAY!!!!! You'll pay for the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Subir is indeed from TOP...
I believe you'll be in for a treat on Polling Analysis & Predictions being posted here...
I'm pretty sure what you are reading is indeed a Cross Post in need of some editing...
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Have enjoyed most of your
Cross posts. This one does miss the mark. The Hillarybots are throwing Green Peace under the bus because they can't flag and ban them for pissing off Hillary.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The Hillbots...
They were not happy with me in that thread. And not a single flag. Fuck them! I have a lifetimes experience how to play "by the rules" to maximum effect.
It was like arguing with right-wingers, exactly like, which I also have a lifetimes worth of experience doing.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
I took the "we" as personal, too
until I realized that, as Democrats, we may be guilty by association with She-whom-we-must-vote-for-in-the-general-election-or- evil-will-stalk-the-land. Certainly, everyone who votes for her will be part of the "we". For me, it started working okay in a rhetorical sense about half way through.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire
I did too.
c99 "we" might have one Hillary supporter here. I no longer associate myself with the larger "we" you spoke to.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Who is a Democrat?
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I am now a Democrat
Only for tactical purposes, so that I could vote for Bernie in a closed primary.
I will become NOT a Democrat again as soon as legally possible. It's disgusting what the party is doing
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I did the same thing, but that doesn't mean we became
Democrats, it means we're using one of the few available tactics to steer the race to Sanders, a reasonable compromise IMO.
And the second the Pennsylvania primary is over, like you I will return to non-affiliated status. And take a long, hot shower.
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
It is a cross post...
It is a cross post... Currently st the top of the wreck list of DailyFucktard. (Yes, I still go and look, but about 1/10 as much, and only to rec things like opols last diary)
America has elected a democratic socialist before. Many times.
Hey Subir!
Welcome!
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500+ recs
500+ comments at TOP. Imagine the feeding frenzy. Not my cuppa tea these days. Those people are off their rockers. Now they're pissed because someone said HRC became unhinged. Uh, yes, she did and that's not sexist to say, dumbass!
Rant over.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
"Never argue with a fool...
... they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
To which I always respond, "Yes, but I leave them exhausted and dispirited."
I think I accomplished that.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Love your closing line.
I'll be doing that tomorrow. Again!
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Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
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Now you know. . .
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Bernie took money too! $24
Ends up he got a $24 donation from a fuel industry rep. Read about it over at the intercept.
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/01/bernie-sanders-took-money-from-the-f...
I appreciate your numbers work Subir. Glad to see you at c99. I understood you were addressing TOP.
I'm proud of Greenpeace for the question.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Thank subir
Now I can recommend your post,
with no fear of The Kos-sequences.
The Greenpeace hypocrisy of the Hill-people,
is outrageous indeed.
Who else will they be willing to throw under the Bus next?
Seniors on SS ?
Students racking up mountains of Debt ?
The Occupy movement ?
Even Sanders supporters ?
Just give them time ...
All of the above, jamess.
They'll get to all of them, eventually.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
At least we got to witness an authentic Clinton moment
How often does that happen?
“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”
I suspect we're going to witness
it more often now that Bernie's on track to win all of the next states. Putting that out to you, universe. We need this.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Meet the Environmental Activist Who Called Out Hillary Clinton
Published on Apr 1, 2016 TYT reporter Jordan Chariton caught up with Eva Resnick-Day who questioned presidential candidate Hillary Clinton about there relationship with the fossil fuel industry. Clinton's testy response, captured on video, has made the rounds on YouTube as well as on the cable news programs. Jordan and Eva talked about the substance behind the hype.
Sorry, it was cross-posted...
Should've edit it...
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