Howard Dean: The Truth Is Clinton Took Money From Fossil Fuel Lobbyists

Submitted by TomP on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:36pm

Howard Dean has been a Clinton endorser, surrogate and supporter. Yet he won’t go down the denial road. Here he admits that Hillary took fossil fuels lobbyist money.

Update I: This issue is popping her inevitability. This happened in 2007. Edwards did it in a debate where Hillary took four separate positions on drivers licenses for the undocumented. It hit mainstream radio, etc. We Edwards supporters thought it would help him, but it helped Obama. Clinton lost her lead and then Obama won Iowa a few months later.

There's panic in her camp now. Barney Frank is calling Bernie "McCarthyistic." Really. DeBlosio is chastising Bernie.

Panic in Hillaryland. Everyone has seen her yelling and pointing at the Greenpeace volunteer.
Her media mouthpieces are trying to ignore lobbyists and spin about individual donations from employees.

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Submitted by Pricknick on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:42pm

Thanks Tom

Can't wait to watch heads explode at TOP.

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Submitted by seamusk on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 7:04pm

That which hath already

That which hath already exploded shall neigh explode again?

Submitted by Pricknick on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:45pm

Thanks Tom

Can't wait to watch heads explode at TOP.

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Submitted by TomP on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:53pm

I put in Subir's post about Greenpeace.

May do a separate post like this later.

This issue is popping her inevitability. This happened in 2007. Edwards did it in a debate where Hillary took four separate positions on drivers licenses for the undocumented. It hit mainstream radio, etc. We Edwards supporters thought it would help him, but it helped Obama. Clinton lost her lead and then Obama won Iowa a few months later.

There's panic in her camp now. Barney Frank is calling Bernie "McCarthyistic." Really. DeBlosio is chastising Bernie.

I'm going to add this thought as an update.

Submitted by thrownstone on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:19pm

"McCarthyistic" !!

They finally get a socialist dead to rights and who do they compare him to? Yup, the ol' redbaiter hisself. You GOTTA love it.

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Submitted by lizzyh7 on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:51pm

Lame, "he's a politician"

remark. Yes, Bernie IS a politician, but he does not lie and does not need to lie. The not needing to lie would be the most crucial part, Howard. They just always have to spin it, don't they?

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Submitted by WindDancer13 on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:30pm

Yes, he is a politician who

doesn't lie, but we need to remember that the word "politician" itself has very bad connotations. One of which is liar. Dean made sure to repeat it a couple of times to make sure it sank in. Words do affect people in ways that go well beyond their usage, and I think that was quite deliberate. Subtle, but it will work for some.

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Submitted by shaharazade on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:59pm

He's big pharma lobbyist

I don't want to hear anything the weasel has to say. I say this as a former Deaniac and member member of my county Dem. Party who went to many local Dem. party functions he spoke at as DNC head . Ask Shah to tell you about how Dean tazered him with his eyeballs when Shah asked him why vote in more Dems. when they refuse to fight the R's. lol. It was awesome lazer daggers came out of his eyes. Another good reason to be an Indie.

Submitted by mouselander on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:25pm

Another sleazy shill for Hill

Not only a paid big pharma lobbyist, but also a lobbyist for the right-wing Iranian terrorist organization Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK), which was finally taken off the State Department's foreign terrorist organization list in 2012, no doubt in part due to the embarrassing fact that so many well-connected Washington insiders (John Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, Ed Rendell, Wesley Clark) were on its payroll. Clark, of course, is another Clinton mouthpiece. Birds of a feather, etc.

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Submitted by on the cusp on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 4:59pm

I have read some of the comments

and I do not know what the hell has taken possession of some formerly well-functioning brains.

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Submitted by TomP on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:32pm

Hillary.

She causes this in supporters.

Submitted by shaharazade on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 9:32pm

nah she doesn't cause this

her supporters always were teh stupid. They lauded to the high heavens the bait and switch of Obama, obstructionism that's what stopped him. Yeah right like 60 =a majority or victories for compromise = reform. Oh and about any objections you have to policy or agenda they are 'white privileged'. Yeah right. She causes nothing her supporters are responsible for their support of what she represents. Nobody has lost their mind because of Hillary they never had one that believed in democracy or common good to begin with.

Pols don't cause shit if people actually care or listen to issues and get out of the mindset the pols of mass deception create or stop believing that this is reality.They play on misinformation, fear and loathing and jerk people around with their absolutely surreal Orwellian version of reality. She is not the cause of her supporters delusions. She's just another manifestation of the dark side. The same darkside that Bush introduced and Obama normalized. Why support this? Fear or maybe these supporters actually believe antidemocratic anti human shit her campaign spouts.

Submitted by shaharazade on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 7:56pm

Well I disgree

about the formerly well-functioning brains as kos and the nasty lefty haters have pretty well cleared the room of anyone with a functioning brain. All that's left are the pooh throwing RW'ers who think war is grand and fracking wall street and Vichy Democrat's are the cats meow.

I left not just because of the edict but because who wants to spend hours arguing about what the definition of is, is. The circular logic gets boring as some corrupt, bent Dem. pol once said it's like talking to a dining room table leg.

The authoritarian, war loving, Richie Rich fawning, Tories own it outright at this point. These are some of the nastiest people on the internet including Red States inhabitants. Fat chance kos is going to get the new 'demographic' he lusts after. Why would poc, young people or anyone who is not part of the successful 'winners' go there to laud the very people who oppress them and call it 'reform'.

Get your daily abuse and bs. talking points from the likes of DEO, Turkana, MacJoan, Hunter, Trix and all kos's other propagandist abusive mouth pieces. Perhaps masochism is the draw or an addiction to contention. Stockholm Syndrome?

These people who rule the roost have run off all the well functioning brains that ever posted there. They are not are worth giving the time of day. At this point it's obvious and I am not surprised one bit by the level of 'debate'. All engaging with these viscous idiots on their terms of engagement gets you is a tainted view of humanity and drags you down to their mud wallowing inhumane level. It's boring and it hurts my head.

teh stupid as they used to say is nothing you want to mess with as there is no convincing a binary wired, twisty brain that could careless or even recognize a real issue or policy and agenda discussion if it bit them. It has finally bit them and now let them stew in there own juices.

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:05pm

They have a political Role Model...

In the Hillary camp.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcxGFmYyPs]

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:22pm

Sargeant Schultz, Debbie Wasserman

/snark

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Submitted by rmwarnick on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:08pm

Kudos to Greenpeace

It's not coming from the Bernie campaign, as far as I know, or even encouraged by Bernie. When Hillary tries to claim it's a "lie" and blame her opponent it falls flat. She does owe an apology, in fact.

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Submitted by Writerinres on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:11pm

Corruption thy name is Clinton

Every former hero of mine has allowed their brain to be taken over by Clinton mania. Why? Why is it that almost everything the Clintons touch gets corrupted? Howard Dean is the biggest disappointment of all.

Submitted by flowerfarmer on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 8:35pm

I believe, unless i have been

I believe, unless i have been hallucinating, that DFA, run by Dean's brother, is backing Bernie.

Both Charlie Rose and some stand-in talking head double teamed him on the CBS Morning show with the lie that Hillary was innocent of taking lobbyists $$$$ from the oil and gas industry.
Bernie was obviously pissed and told Charlie that he was WRONG.
The entire MSM stinks.

Submitted by thrownstone on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:16pm

"He's a politician just like everybody else"

Welcome to the world where it's okay because everyone is doing it. Forget what you tell your kids when they say that. "He is a politician just like everybody else": the message is he takes money from lobbyists, he votes for war, he violates security protocols, he assassinates character, he supports fracking...just like everybody else. It's just the way it is, there's nothing to be done about it....get over it. Howard, Howard...what has become o'ye?

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Submitted by angstall on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:22pm

This is what happens when you have a shitty candidate

with indefensible positions.

Dean: "A lot of that money is going to the Democratic Party."

NO thank you.

(So happy to see you here, along with many others, TomP).

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Submitted by on the cusp on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:23pm

I am still not over

Gloria Steinem going swimming in the sewer for her. When I was a teen in college, it was Gloria who helped our generation to recognize women were more than housewives and secretaries for powerful male bosses. She showed us how to insist that we be thought of as something besides a sex object. And it was the use of young, impliedly horny, girls going to Sanders' rallies, reducing them to sex objects, that broke my heart. She could have talked about experience, electability, any of the tropes trotted out by Clinton supporters. Instead, she broke the rule she spent her life making and protecting. She destroyed herself for Clinton.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 6:42pm

Remember Geraldine Ferraro?

Decided to play "Only Reason Obama is being picked is he's black", for Hillary.

Course she changed her tune slightly later, but how much you want to bet if she was still around and kicking she'd be jumping on the "Vote Hillary because she's a woman" train again?

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Submitted by WindDancer13 on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:34pm

Interesting piece early this morning on CNN

They had an interview with Jeff Weaver and were asking about the fossil fuel donors. The point the interviewer kept coming back to is that Sanders also received money from people who work in the industry. She ignored the difference and Weaver did not really make it clear that there is a difference between people who work in the industry and lobbyists for the industry. He mostly discussed bundlers and for most people that would not clear up the difference. *sigh*

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Submitted by pfiore8 on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 5:53pm

Tom, I'm not sure the headline lives up to the expectation

it creates . . . that Dean's statement makes Bernie's point. I just didn't hear it that way.

however, i think there is a real story in the essay:

Barney Frank is calling Bernie "McCarthyistic." Really. DeBlosio is chastising Bernie

LINKS please.

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Submitted by TomP on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 7:53pm

Yes, he says it, but then calls

Bernie a politician. You have a point.

Submitted by FreakFlagFly on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 6:38pm

Hillary refuses: 'We will not apologize'

Clinton campaign response to Sanders' call for an apology: 'We will not apologize' - Full from @jmpalmieri:

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/716039850210762752

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 6:44pm

In other words, their defense boils down to:

Fuck you. Because you're a mean poopy head.

And you're also a liar, poopy head!

And watch your tone.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 6:48pm

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by Bollox Ref on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 6:58pm

Well sure...

...their own donations from individuals who work for oil and gas companies....

But Joe down the street, who works as a cashier at the local Mobil station and donated $30 to Bernie, isn't quite the same as a lobbyist donating thousands.

More lawyerliness from She Who Must Be Obeyed.

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Submitted by TomP on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 7:54pm

This is weakness by them.

Just draws more attention to issue.

Submitted by geebeebee on Fri, 04/01/2016 - 6:45pm

Bernie is on a roll

“Secretary Clinton, you owe our campaign an apology. We were telling the truth.” -- Bernie Sanders in Sheboygan, Wis.

— John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner) April 1, 2016