Jimmy Dore interviews Boogaloo Boi Magnus Panvidya

And what an epic Twitter Bomb it generated:

Pro-LGBTQ anti-war activists, or right-wing extremists? Internet goes ballistic after Jimmy Dore interviews ‘Boogaloo’ member', RT.com, 25 Jan, 2021

"Panvidya described himself as an anarchist who had a long history of environmental activism, rejecting the claim that the Boogaloo Bois were white supremacists or right-wing extremists.

He described the movement as a “libertarian/Green Party militia,” arguing that it has been regularly mischaracterized by inaccurate media reports. Known for their Hawaiian shirts, the Boogaloo Bois have been spotted at demonstrations across the United States following the killing of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis Police in May. The group has called for a revolution in the United States, peaceful or otherwise."
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"Unsurprisingly, the discussion split social media, with some insisting that the Bois have been unfairly slandered by the media, while others took the polar opposite view and accused Dore of giving favorable news coverage to “white supremacists.”

However, judging by the responses to Dore’s tweet, the interview was generally not well received. The left-wing commentator was bombarded with mocking memes painting him as naive and gullible.

Some went a step further, accusing Dore of collaborating with “white supremacists” and “Nazis.”

I admit I'm not a fan of Dore's, but I commend him for giving Panvidya a chance to make his case for finding common ground. What else is left in such a divided nation but to listen to one another?

A side note: I tried to listen not watch; still unmanageable, so I advanced the interview until I could see and hear 'Hippie Commune raised Panvidya himself for a few minutes. Panvidya: 'All Wisdoms'?

The floor is yours.

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And I reccomned anyone who claims to be open minded to watch this.
I had conclude one of two things:
One- Panvidya is playing an elaborate ruse on Jimmy and his viewers by grossly misrepresenting the views and positions of the Boogaloo crowd, or
Two- our MSM has lied to us about who the BB crowd is to stoke divisions, and the BB crowd actually stands for a bunch of things that I stand for as well.
Dore and Panvidya surely have policy disagreements in certain areas, but like Jimmy I was floored by the progressive, anti war and anti fascism positions that he held.
After my experiences being a supporter of Obama (hangs his head in shame) and Sanders I have learned to back positions and policies rather than people. If Panvidya is a charlatan, well I appreciate him coming forward and advocating for policies that I agree with.

There is an interesting bit in this video about censorship as well. In the purge going on on social media platforms the Boogaloos have lost their ability to communicate with the public. In this time as they are silenced they can not effectively communicate to the public that they are not who they are accused of being. As a person who has aligned with movements that get attacked by MSM this problem touches close to me.

Dore is brave to have done this.

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@wouldsman

and thanks for adding a few of the Cliffs notes for me. re: Twitter deplatforming, O, what a bird brain I yam! I'd meant to add this...news, but i couldn't find it on RT.com again.

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@wendy davis

received the Iron Cross 2nd class for informing on her father.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

whoosh-worthy & excellent riposte. bless your heart.

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@wendy davis

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@wendy davis  
before.

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@lotlizard

it would be superb if you'd expand on this.

but i'm reminded of mike pomeo's versioon of the waPo's PropOrNot:

"Send me your tales of oppression and degradation by your Fascist Diktator rulers in Iran, VZ, cuba, china, and Russia". (one at a time, of course.)

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On one hand, I largely reject the whole "deplatforming" idea.
OTOH, if this guy really does reject racism, homophobia, etc., it does NOT mean that the Boogaloo Boys aren't exactly what their reputation is.

Basically I'm saying that Dore didn't do his homework before interviewing this guy, and that's poor journalism. He accepted what this guy said at face value. Dore didn't ask any tough questions from information he discovered upon doing research.

On an unrelated note, I hope no one missed me. Work + health issues can grab up all of your time.

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@gjohnsit

you're doing better now.

a Q: how do you know dore hadn't done any research on him?

another: this was from the piece at RT.com:

The group has called for a revolution in the United States, peaceful or otherwise.

was that in the interview, or was RT just...painting w/ a MSM brush?

i will say i have a great objection to deplatforming. from rob urie at counterpunch:

"One of the revelations that emerged from the Church Committee hearings in 1975 was that the CIA had spied on and infiltrated anti-war groups to undermine them politically. It was thereafter precluded from acting against U.S. citizens domestically. But a loophole was left open that it could contract with private corporations to perform the domestic political functions it had formerly carried out itself. In 2001, within weeks of 9/11, the Patriot Act codified the CIA’s ability to work with ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and ‘platforms’ like Facebook and Twitter to collect and use nominally private information for internally defined purposes.

From the ACLU:

"One of the revelations that emerged from the Church Committee hearings in 1975 was that the CIA had spied on and infiltrated anti-war groups to undermine them politically. It was thereafter precluded from acting against U.S. citizens domestically. But a loophole was left open that it could contract with private corporations to perform the domestic political functions it had formerly carried out itself. In 2001, within weeks of 9/11, the Patriot Act codified the CIA’s ability to work with ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and ‘platforms’ like Facebook and Twitter to collect and use nominally private information for internally defined purposes.

The Patriot Act, which President-elect Joe Biden claims to have written, both codifies the corporate-state form and gives it an explicitly political character. Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg testified publicly that the company uses data-mining techniques to create political profiles of both its users and people who have never had a relationship with the company. To be clear, Facebook is profiling everyone. Through supplying this information to the American government— the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc., to be used towards political ends, the entire technology industry was made a de facto branch of the Federal government."

nominally private companies, but not really...as they're tools of the Capitalist government the government.

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Q: how do you know dore hadn't done any research on him?

...and Jimmy didn't ask any tough questions.
Basically when someone presents themselves as something contrary to what their group is known for you should be skeptical (as a journalist). That doesn't mean you shouldn't give them a chance.
But it does mean that you should put them into a position to prove that they are 1) telling the truth, and 2) represent more than just themselves.
To do that you must do research ahead of time.
I studied journalism in college a lifetime ago. If you had done your research then you will have tough questions. Or you suck as a journalist.

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@aliasalias

#KillMeNow. Cliffs Notes?

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@gjohnsit

another Q: how would he have researched him (if the group's been deplatformed)?

inquiring minds and all that rot.

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@gjohnsit

but may i submit that dore is billed as a 'comedian', not a 'journalist'? i'll offer that i don't find him a bit funny, but that seems to be a minority opinion here. ; )

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@wendy davis

the Patriot Act codified the CIA’s ability to work with ISPs (Internet Service Providers) and ‘platforms’ like Facebook and Twitter to collect and use nominally private information for internally defined purposes.

Oh wait......

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It is not until the tide goes out that you discover who has been swimming naked.

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@snoopydawg

the Atlantic Council (NATO think tank) 'advises' social media as to 'the Truthiness' of post?

Alpabetic, Inc. parent company of Google suppresses whole nonconformist websites that they like, and also owns: youtube, which can and does remove any channels and videos that argue against the current acceptable beliefs. (i've noticed it most in relation to rebuttal on covid-19 statistics and facts.)

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@wendy davis

The intelligence agencies have been connected to social media since creation. Hell it’s how most of them got their seed money.

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@snoopydawg

pieces today with quotes from Putin at the WEF in singapore, close to: pfffft to allowing social media companies to control the conversation. yeah.

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@gjohnsit

Glad you're busy if that is good for you and hope you feel better. I still have a roving stomach bug that bothers me in the am, sour stomach, and when I eat certain food. Yuck it and done and then I feel better. Going on a month.

Here that rents are diving in SF. Is that true?

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@snoopydawg
I think that mostly effects commercial rents and the upper-end of residential rents.

I personally live in a rent-controlled apartment, that's been locked into a lease since 1992. Otherwise I could never have lived in this city.

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conspicuous by your absence.

Welcome back.

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If somebody says they're not racist, believe them, FFS. The fact that they're being called "liars" is almost a dead-giveaway of what's going on here; these Twits need to read George Lakoff. It is intuitive to believe our political enemies are liars, because they must be because otherwise what they're saying makes no sense - but no, most among them are as sincere as we are.

Today's white supremacists are substantively different from yesterday's, because they have to be. Racism's not cool anymore, yet the real McCoys are open about it. It takes courage and character to go against overwhelming consensus, even when your view is wrong.

The greater danger - the one that enabled the atrocities of the Third Reich/19th-Century imperialists/Salem Witch-Hunters/Conquistadors/Aztecs/Romans/etc etc - still resides within the majority of the populace: Cowardice, conformity, and the idea that the group should override the individual conscience. Evil (at least for most people, I can't speak for guys like Bush or Biden), does not come from the belief that one is somehow entitled to do wrong, but from the belief that one can do no wrong - especially so long as one is acting in the service of some greater authority. It's the Nuremberg Defense, writ large.

As long as we allow majority rule to dictate morality, we are saying that might makes right, because that's all an appeal to numbers can ever be: An appeal not to Ethos, nor to Logos, but to Kratos.

That is the lesson we must learn in our time, not repetitions or do-overs of yesterday's lessons; we clearly still haven't learned it, and we're not out of the woods until we do.

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
- Adolf Hitler

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

To paraphrase Jodie Foster: Human is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from.

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@The Liberal Moonbat

"The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it."
- Adolf Hitler

I didn't know he was that honest about what a dick he was.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Say what you will about white-supremacists, most of them are pretty forthright about their ideology (the irony in this case, of course, being that being dishonest about racism back then meant hiding the extent to which you weren't - e.g. the infamous Fritz Lang story).

I think a better quote for understanding Hitler himself is actually this one:

"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man."
― Thomas Paine

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

To paraphrase Jodie Foster: Human is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from.

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@The Liberal Moonbat

I think of Hitler as being *in* the PR business, not outside it.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I tend to think of him as a Johann Sex-Stein who got lucky - the tiny, funny-looking head of a Hobbesian Leviathan who, in another lifetime, would've spent his life shouting at the TV in his undershirt. Had his syphilis not progressed to the "Cursed With Awesome" stage in almost exactly the time window it had, nobody would know his name (except in Ohio!: https://allthatsinteresting.com/pickaway-ohio-hitlers).

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

To paraphrase Jodie Foster: Human is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from.

@The Liberal Moonbat

and relevant comment Moonbat.

As long as we allow majority rule to dictate morality, we are saying that might makes right, because that's all an appeal to numbers can ever be: An appeal not to Ethos, nor to Logos, but to Kratos.

Sounds kind of like an argument for a constitutional republic of limited powers. As opposed to the 'tw