Unlike Many Humans:

Vampire bats socially distance when they feel sick. Article here -
https://www.popsci.com/story/science/bats-social-distancing/?

Speaking of blood sports, hunting doesn't make you macho:

Women were the early big-game hunters of America, research suggests -
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/women-were-early-big-game-hu...?

some real info on covid - Preparing for a winter with the coronavirus
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/preparing-winter-coronavirus?

Some surreal info on Covid - the "second wave" is a "casedemic" caused solely by testing which is mostly (nearly all) false positives. We know because not enough people are dying. This was presented not long ago as justification for going whole hog 100% open with maximum crowding and all that. The Dakotas are putting the lie to that.

be well and have a good one

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If you have a bad apple and use the seed of that bad apple, will the tree, which grows out of that seed, produce only bad apples or not? If the tree produces only bad apples, we should ask the researchers to produce bad apple seeds that will produce good apples if the grow up to a tree. I am sure Monsanto could do that. And I am sure they would make a huge profit with it.

Have a good night sleep. Don't eat bad apples before going to bed... /s

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@mimi
Many good varieties have come from chance seedlings. It's just a roll of the genetic dice. If you start with good varieties it's like rolling loaded dice, but you can still get snake eyes.
Off the top of my head, Hudson's Golden Gem was discovered growing at the side of an Oregon highway. Someone probably threw a core out of a car window. Carter Blue, an unusual apple with bluish leaves and skin was discovered by chance in the 1840's in Alabama. I'm pretty sure Roxbury Russet (MA) and
Chenango Strawberry were seedlings also. The last two are from per-Revolutionary times. IIRC, Roxbury Russet is the oldest American variety, possibly from the 1600's. Chenago Strawberry is from Chenango NY and highly praised by Thomas Jefferson who ordered fourteen(?) trees for Monticello. It actually tastes like apple and strawberry .

Modern apples are bred for easy growing, pest resistance, good traveling and preferably all ripening at once. These are good commercial qualities, but not necessarily good in the wild or backyard. For the home (and the wild) ripening over a period is best. In the wild so that seeds get scattered far and wide and at home so you don't have a one week glut of apples. The old varieties typically ripen over a month and should be picked daily.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

prefereability of an extended ripening season for backyard apple trees. Our's is mostly of the glut type, and it gets to be a PITA trying to deal with them all at once.

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@enhydra lutris A friend adds brandy to the jar. I thought he added a teaspoon or tablespoon, so I e-mailed him recently to check. He adds a half cup! To a quart mason jar! Whoa!

Apples could be washed, cut, cored and frozen. The stone fruits can well. Another friend ferments them into hard cider, but there are cider varieties that work best.

Berries we usually just consume in yard. At least I do. My wife insists on rinsing them and then eating them. To me, they taste best hot from the Sun.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness
to your canned peaches. Adds to the flavor - also , plumbs, cherries, apricots, etc.

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Apples could be washed, cut, cored and frozen.

We do that, but we have a relatively small upright freezer and apples take up at least a quarter, plus a few cases of applesauce, plus all we can consume in cooking and give away to neighbors, and that's from just one tree.

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@enhydra lutris
This year they ate ALL of mine. Hope they got a bellyache eating all those green apples. That ate them about a month early.

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@mimi
good fruit can grow from the seeds of a bad apple, if only because the apple might be bad for non-genetic reasons. I don't, however, believe that the apple falls far from the tree without external agency.

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@mimi

Maybe we can just drop some Soma in the drinking water ; ).

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/nov/17/classics.margaretatwood

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Had I not known ahead of time that we are all fated to die
some of this would make more sense.
Unfortunately, human kind is not so aware.
Some religious belief in the eternal as being an excuse
to forego transformation in this lifetime.

Glad you brought it up.
Nevertheless, hello.

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question everything

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@QMS

the saying goes ...

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but appears to be catching up...
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Let's see schools start, football (in my region) happens, and masks are not cool for the 80% that voted for Trumpolini. Do I need to say more?

As the holiday season progresses plan on COVID progressing much more. Is it our innate intelligence or social conditioning?

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

innate need for social conditioning
will be the downfall
without strict guidance

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@Lookout

Is it our innate intelligence or social conditioning?

Need for validation from the tribe; Go (insert team name!), we're numbah one. We will, we will rock you; we is the champignons of the whirled.

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@Lookout
Most schools closed, but football etc teams still practicing.
Restaurants are closed but casinos, video poker dens and sports betting parlors are open. apparently they are "essential". More people clamoring for bars to open than for restaurants. WTF? The liquor stores are open. Yes, groceries are too, but it's more time consuming work to cook than to open a bottle and pour. True, some mixed drinks are also time-consuming but the people complaining loudest seem to be shot and a beer types rather than banana daiquiri types.
My wife hot on why gambling is "necessary" but eating a fine meal is not. Taxes. big taxes on gambling. Pay the Man and do want you want. As an aside, I welcome the decriminalization of drugs that seems to be surging. When will states like Illinois legalize Nevada style prostitution, cutting out another gang income source and improving public health at the same time. Let the preachers deal with sin, not the state.

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and Christmas parties, football, get togethers...
Well, no. Just don't.
I am going to this place for Thanksgiving:

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We shouldn't have to get around people other than a trip to a grocery store, and maybe a fuel stop.
Just A and B, playing music, watching movies, staying to ourselves, always ready with emails and phone and internet.

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@on the cusp
That pretty much stopped when my Uncle died (my dad's younger brother). So we stay home and cook two Cornish hens (my wife doesn't like turkey) with sweet potatoes and pumpkin pie and that pretty much takes care of leftovers. My wife likes to watch the Macy's parade on television. I'm not a sports guy. I used to barbecue a turkey when my grand-kids lived in Illinois. Now we just call them on the phone or vice-versa.

Had big family gatherings when I was a kid. I'm guessing my cousin still does. The new paradigm of being afraid of your family is something I can't by. Some are even advocating couples be masked inside all the time. Covid can't be passed by intimate contact? Can one really climax while being choked by a mask? What does 24 hour masking do for my asthma? Can one CPAP while wearing a surgical mask?

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@The Voice In the Wilderness but I have had two clients tell me of climaxes while in a body cast from armpits to toes.
Just think it through, keep away from people, wear a mask when buying those cornish hens.
Can't exactly add up the number of times at some religious family occasion some male relative tried to talk me into sex. Like, they were teens, I was 5 to 12.
I hate and do not attend family gatherings for any event.
I think I am satisfied with keeping people away from me a few feet.
This pandemic will pass. I do not want to pass. I want to outlive the fucker.

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@on the cusp

Like, they were teens, I was 5 to 12.

Totally out of bounds even if they weren't relatives.

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@on the cusp

enjoy the hell out of it.

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@enhydra lutris mid-60's to overnight lows mid-40's during the holiday. I hope the place will be fairly deserted.
The 3 hour drive is beautiful and has little traffic. It is as low key and restful as we could think up.
We are already thinking about the groceries we will need to take.

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It's funny.

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

@snoopydawg
I guess it's cruel, but that is a cat to a tee. Hope he wasn't hurt.

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Thanks el, for initiating a thread that reflects in its content and responses many aspects I enjoy about this place. I’m guessing you all know them and appreciate them as I do.

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Let's keep together.

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So there is the article about thed original research and the original research. The linked article tries to paint men and women as equal in hunting seems to want to impose a feminist reading of the research. But here are my questions.

The age of the female hunters of late teens and early twenties is also the age at which women are at their most fertile. So these tribal groups were going to put women in high risk activities rather than having them producing and caring for offspring while engaging in low risk activities such as gathering food stuffs? So like modern women having it all, females nursed their children in the morning and in the afternoon went out hunting large game animals?

Do human females have the upper body strength to pierce the skin and hides of "large game animals"? Offhand, I doubt it. They may have worked in groups with other men and women, in which case the females played support roles and did such activities as dressing the animal they killed.

There is what looks like a supposition that items buried with somebody represented their daily activities. This seems more speculative than established fact. It may be a good supposition, but it still seems a supposition.

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I think it's hard for some people to fathom the way things might have worked a long time ago when they can't see past biases of current, modern day, societal limitations, especially in regards to the "weaker" sex.

When it's necessary to feed yourself and your people, it would be completely stupid to tell an able bodied person they can't do something just because of anatomy. I went looking for the name of a tribe in Iran that I had read about, but can't find it. They didn't care what you had between your legs, you did what was necessary for survival. And the men, with their superior upper body strength actually made and mended clothes when necessary, among a plethora of other things. Again, they did what was necessary, all of them, and they're Muslim.

Who's to say that a small, lean female didn't provide assistance by using her endurance to tire prey or keep tracking injured prey, or maybe even be an expert shot at blinding prey rather than piercing thick hide with her little weak arms? However, arms are only weak if they're never used. I recently watched a video of an off grid couple on their homestead and for several years, she watered their huge garden with buckets because the water pressure on their rainwater system was too weak. Her arms are impressive!

Tanning hide built arm and chest muscles. Carrying buckets of water, babies, recent kills, same thing.

I think we miss a lot of possibilities regarding past peoples when we restrict the possibilities with our own modern day societal limitations regarding gender roles. Plus, we're not talking about soft, salon pampered people. These were hardcore survivors. I'm betting there were a lot of jobs done by everyone, in the name of survival.

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@Deja

strength to "pierce tough animal hides" with sharp instruments, maybe not rhinos and elephants, but easily most of the fauna of north and south america. They've also found burials of many early women warriors. Patriarchal belief systems imposed artificial restrictions and limitations on females throughout "the west" back in the bronze age and those have, in turn, warped our thinking about women and their roles.

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instrumental in our understanding of older cultures, applied uniformly to all ages and sexes and in many cases, the nature and purpose of grave goods is backed by oral histories and traditions.

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some real info on covid - Preparing for a winter with the coronavirus
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/preparing-winter-coronavirus?

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