@randtntx after the election, muzzle Trump.

in Texas. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/11/02/elec-n02.html over the weekend.

It seems like people are getting caught up in dumb arguments. Tensions are high, we all know it, so why provoke dumb people to do dumb things. I wish we could all stay calm until all this nonsense is over.

@snoopydawg

Only two weeks before, headlines had soothed — “Flu has missed Salt Lake as yet.” The problems appeared to be far away in other states. Even the Telegram’s weather forecast recorded the same phrase for seven days — “not much change.”

But the first 10 cases were discovered in the capital city on Oct. 3, and as the sky gave way to rain, the case count rose, reaching 350 by the board meeting six days later. Thirty patients at the University of Utah had already been moved to the Fort Douglas pest house, the building set aside to isolate the sick. Ogden was reporting almost 200 cases. In two more days there would be 1,200 statewide.

The Salt Lake Herald-Republican ran “Utah bans all meetings” at the bottom of the front page. Adjacent was the newspaper’s own ill-informed opinion — “Epidemic is not serious” — an editorial, equally matched in headline size and shape so as to be the news article’s perfect companion piece.

“It may have been wisdom to close the churches and theatres, although we doubt it,” the Herald-Republican said. “There should be no more forecasts of mortality which serve only to make well people quite sure they are sick.”

There it was — almost as swift as the shutdown itself — the counterblast. No policy was beyond the reach of grievance.

The Ogden Daily Standard supported the shutdown but called out state officials, saying they should have taken action earlier, and accusing them of waiting until after the general conference of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which had been held Oct. 4-6.

“Was the state board of health more concerned over the dollars which were to flow into the capital than the possibility of a spread of the epidemic?” the Standard’s editor wrote.

A century has passed, but it seems people's beliefs have remained the same.

Finally, the day came for the first phase of reopening, Dec. 8. The weather was “unsettled and colder,” and so was the public atmosphere.

The Herald-Republican praised the move. The Standard raised suspicion the state was pressured by business interests.

Interesting story of way back when. Seems like there have been plenty of epidemics that this government could have looked at to decide how to play it. Or did they look and decide to do whatever anyway?

Doomed to repeat: October marked 102nd anniversary of first Utah shutdown, mask orders

Reports from Utah newspapers a century ago sound familiar: Maskers and anti-maskers, public health believers and deniers, exhausted care workers, house parties, shutdowns, skeptics. How humans respond to a novel virus apparently hasn’t changed.

“Masks are the vogue from this day forward,” the Ogden Daily Standard announced on Oct. 17, 1918. “If their effect on your handsome countenance is to make you homely, then homely be the word and homely be the deed. To look homely under the present circumstances is the demand of patriotism.”

Sigh: "The government cannot tell me what to do."

Thousands attend Halloween party in Utah County until police arrive

The Utah County Sheriff's Office said deputies responded to a large party on the west side of Utah Lake, south of Saratoga Springs near the Knolls about 10 p.m. Sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon said "several thousand" people were in attendance, with the estimates from those who were there ranging from 2,000 to 10,000 people. The party included a stage, a professional sound system and lights, and DJs.

Cellphone videos of the event posted on social media show people, who appear to be high school or college age, packed together in a large group with no social distancing and very little mask wearing.

There were also several crashes as the crowd tried to leave the area, he said. One social media post appears to show a car ending up on the top of another vehicle.

Another party had been planned, but they cancelled it. They were not happy about it though:

But on Oct. 26, after their event had gained public attention, the groups announced that the party had been canceled and refunds would be given. In announcing the cancellation, Utah Tonight blamed those "in positions of power and authority, including the media, (who) have done nothing but intimidate, harass, and seek to build consensus to shut this event down.

"We find it both disheartening and concerning that some within our society have allowed fear to supplant basic rights of assembly, giving individuals within the media and some public servants the ability to control what we consider to be a 'pursuit of happiness,'" the group said in their prepared statement.

Also Saturday, Lehi police say they responded to a warehouse near 400 South and 850 East in their city and found an estimated 1,500 people attending a party.

Some comments:
- let's not show rioters and protestors for 5 solid months to run amok, then all of a sudden arrest and ticket young people for dancing, they are struggling mentally, they need to be normal.
- What happened to the right to peace able gather? Sorry, no laws or emergencies Trump our constitutional rights.
BINGO
- Why would we ask teens and college students not to plan and participate in mass gatherings when the president is doing exactly what they are doing? Teens and young adults are not renowned for their wisdom and self discipline.They see the leader of the free world and his followers disregarding public health. Should we expect more of teens than we do of the president?
- So, college kids getting together is really, really bad? But not during the week when they're going to college?
UMM?
- Hold on. I agree that the actions were irresponsible, but how does this affect the duration of the pandemic in any way?

Moar Sighing:

At least 31 states set their one-day coronavirus case records in October

Once upon a time Gov. Herbert said that he would only open the state when the daily numbers were below 300. That was sooo long ago. We have been over 1,000 a day with deaths around 5-10 and again 30% or more are happening in long term care centers. I just read that another state will be moving COVID patients from hospitals into nursing homes to free up some beds. How the hell can this still be happening after what we have seen in NYC or CA and elsewhere unless this is a deliberate order given by someone? Way back in March the state Guvs got together to decide how to respond to the pandemic. I think culling the herd-herd immunity was decided then. Talk me down. Another lock down won't work at this stage unless congress gets serious about getting people $$$$, but they can at least close the border to state travel. If possible. It used to be like that.

Meanwhile the asshole president is spreading disease and deaths wherever he goes as well as encouraging his supporters to be as big a brats as they can be. Can you imagine if BLM closed down highways with their cars like what the Trump dudes did? Yeah that's where I see the hypocrisy. You?

I want one of these.

@snoopydawg in the reaction over the highway incident. We already know that would be the reaction, there is no surprise, so why give them the opportunity and the encouragement to increase bully behavior. People just play into this game. The media and TPTB have carefully and consistently cultivated this dumb argument of red versus blue and people accept the premise of the argument, they accept the roles that they have been given without question and behave like puppets in a kid's puppet show.

We all know that neither of these candidates care about any of us, so why do we encourage foolish behavior which is ostensibly a pledge of support for one or the other candidate. It's just an accident waiting to happen.

Doomed to repeat: October marked 102nd anniversary of first Utah shutdown, mask orders

Reports from Utah newspapers a century ago sound familiar: Maskers and anti-maskers, public health believers and deniers, exhausted care workers, house parties, shutdowns, skeptics. How humans respond to a novel virus apparently hasn’t changed.

“Masks are the vogue from this day forward,” the Ogden Daily Standard announced on Oct. 17, 1918. “If their effect on your handsome countenance is to make you homely, then homely be the word and homely be the deed. To look homely under the present circumstances is the demand of patriotism.”

Sigh: "The government cannot tell me what to do."

Thousands attend Halloween party in Utah County until police arrive

The Utah County Sheriff's Office said deputies responded to a large party on the west side of Utah Lake, south of Saratoga Springs near the Knolls about 10 p.m. Sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon said "several thousand" people were in attendance, with the estimates from those who were there ranging from 2,000 to 10,000 people. The party included a stage, a professional sound system and lights, and DJs.

Cellphone videos of the event posted on social media show people, who appear to be high school or college age, packed together in a large group with no social distancing and very little mask wearing.

There were also several crashes as the crowd tried to leave the area, he said. One social media post appears to show a car ending up on the top of another vehicle.

Another party had been planned, but they cancelled it. They were not happy about it though:

But on Oct. 26, after their event had gained public attention, the groups announced that the party had been canceled and refunds would be given. In announcing the cancellation, Utah Tonight blamed those "in positions of power and authority, including the media, (who) have done nothing but intimidate, harass, and seek to build consensus to shut this event down.

"We find it both disheartening and concerning that some within our society have allowed fear to supplant basic rights of assembly, giving individuals within the media and some public servants the ability to control what we consider to be a 'pursuit of happiness,'" the group said in their prepared statement.

Also Saturday, Lehi police say they responded to a warehouse near 400 South and 850 East in their city and found an estimated 1,500 people attending a party.

Some comments:
- let's not show rioters and protestors for 5 solid months to run amok, then all of a sudden arrest and ticket young people for dancing, they are struggling mentally, they need to be normal.
- What happened to the right to peace able gather? Sorry, no laws or emergencies Trump our constitutional rights.
BINGO
- Why would we ask teens and college students not to plan and participate in mass gatherings when the president is doing exactly what they are doing? Teens and young adults are not renowned for their wisdom and self discipline.They see the leader of the free world and his followers disregarding public health. Should we expect more of teens than we do of the president?
- So, college kids getting together is really, really bad? But not during the week when they're going to college?
UMM?
- Hold on. I agree that the actions were irresponsible, but how does this affect the duration of the pandemic in any way?

Moar Sighing:

At least 31 states set their one-day coronavirus case records in October

Once upon a time Gov. Herbert said that he would only open the state when the daily numbers were below 300. That was sooo long ago. We have been over 1,000 a day with deaths around 5-10 and again 30% or more are happening in long term care centers. I just read that another state will be moving COVID patients from hospitals into nursing homes to free up some beds. How the hell can this still be happening after what we have seen in NYC or CA and elsewhere unless this is a deliberate order given by someone? Way back in March the state Guvs got together to decide how to respond to the pandemic. I think culling the herd-herd immunity was decided then. Talk me down. Another lock down won't work at this stage unless congress gets serious about getting people $$$$, but they can at least close the border to state travel. If possible. It used to be like that.

Meanwhile the asshole president is spreading disease and deaths wherever he goes as well as encouraging his supporters to be as big a brats as they can be. Can you imagine if BLM closed down highways with their cars like what the Trump dudes did? Yeah that's where I see the hypocrisy. You?

I want one of these.