We must have a new party.

Unsurprisingly, the Democratic Party have cheated us again. They have been doing it ever since they foisted Truman off on us instead of nominating Henry Wallace in 1944:

I think the Greens are a lost cause. They don’t appear to be serious about winning. I’m very tired of well-meaning losers. The other small parties are pretty much the same in that they push one idea and leave everything else out. I don't hear much about the Democratic Socialists of America or the Peace and Freedom Party. If we don’t want to die off, we had better get serious about changing the corruption and corporate capture of our political system. Starting a new party with an extensive and inclusive program is what we need.
We have no good candidate to vote for, but there is a third party looking to form: The People’s Party. I have looked at some of the people behind it and have found some basis for hope. Here is the link

Does anyone here know more about them? We must do something and forming a third party seems to be what it will take.

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We need a third party.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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I'd vote for Minnesota to join Canada for universal health care and a semblance of sanity.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref I'm so glad we have Walz as governor. I can't imagine how bad off we'd be with Pawlenty or some other republican asshole as governor. Other states should look to us and see what we're doing because it's fucking working.

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This shit is bananas.

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@Daenerys

And that nutjob Gazelka thinks that prayer is the answer...

Good grief.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

Than the rest of ‘murica. Maybe we can join them.

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is an established party, having been in the United States since 1990. There was an initial split in national organization between the GPUSA and the ASGP, two competing national organizations, which was "resolved" at a convention in Carbondale Illinois with the formation of the GPUS in 2001. There was a splinter group from the GPUSA, based in St. Louis, that refused the decision of the Carbondale convention -- they no longer have any credible claim to party status with the FEC.

The Green Party took a big hit when the group that ran the national convention in Milwaukee in 2004 refused to put Ralph Nader on the national ballot, choosing instead to put David Cobb on the ballot out of a wish to avoid disturbing John Kerry's Presidential bid. Cobb was a lawyer from Texas who became a lawyer from Humboldt County, California. He later became Jill Stein's campaign manager. This 2004 decision cost the Green Party ballot status in a fair number of states.

The Green Party's main problem as a party, these days, is that it has streamlined itself as an eternally minor party. None of its Presidential primaries are binding; they're all beauty contests, with the final decision resting in the hands of whomever shows up at the national convention, as manipulated by the party organizers. In other words, said decision rests in the hands of whomever has money to burn to go to wherever the convention is, in order to pick someone who is basically there to preserve the Party's ballot-status claims. This year it's July in Detroit.

The criticisms of the Green Party that it needs to stop running Presidential candidates are unfounded, though. The Green Party needs to run Presidential candidates each cycle to maintain ballot status in a number of states. The Green Party is only strong in California; ballot status in the other states is continually up for grabs.

The Green Party recently endorsed ecosocialism. This is a good thing. We need a national conversation about what ecosocialism might be. I may be a Green again, if I have nowhere else to go.

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

@Cassiodorus in 2016. The fraudulent election results showed them at 1% despite us having a massive influx of voters after demexit.

A third party will only work if you are willing to destroy the voting machines in their warehouses.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain we can refer to?

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

@Cassiodorus they've pretty much gotten rid of exit polls remember? Green Party went from polling at 4% on a permabasis, to polling at 8% on the MSM polls and polling at 22% on the non MSM polls, just before the election. Election day, however, they got 1%.

You can believe that if you want.

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in an essay entitled:

Presenting the new "Peoples Party" platform for 2016

I always envisioned the "People's Party" as the ultimate name for what a party should represent.

However, I would throw in with any party made up of members of the Authentic Left.

I'm sure Progressives meant well, but they are tainted by the Democratic Party, in my view.

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The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato

DSA seems to be focused on capturing the (D) Party. IMHO, it will be the other way around.
If a brand new party was started I prefer "Progressive Party" and choose the Bull Moose as symbol, resurrecting TR's independent bid. It has a good fqace to the general public. "People's Party" frankly sounds too Communist. I know there are people here who like Communism, but it is overwhelmingly rejected by the American people. "American Party" might be good too, evoking the rebuilding of American industry and infrastructure.
Frankly, a lot of the bad-mouthing of the USA here will not go down well with the public.
I, myself, have chosen to view it as slipshod referral to the Washington elite, particular Neoliberal/Neocon policies, and/or Imperialism.
That was a good point upstream about needing a Presidential candidate to have ballot access, but although a POTUS candidate is needed, the emphasis should be on Congress. Even a good sized minority is a bloc that must be negotiated with. Compromise instead of purity. Be a "big tent". Just not so big that principles get lost.

Most US Third Parties were focused on single issues. That only wins the votes of purists. You neeed to be practical and widen the appeal.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@The Voice In the Wilderness @The Voice In the Wilderness "Sadly", because I think it's the perfect name.

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@tle

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness
is that socialism is married to communism.

"People's Party" frankly sounds too Communist. I know there are people here who like Communism, but it is overwhelmingly rejected by the American people.

The two parties we currently have made sure of that.
People working together is socialism. People Party.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

Preamble

America has a fun way of expressing outright the tendencies that other countries consider too frightful to state in public. So, for instance, in that most American of documents, the Confederate Constitution:

3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

There it is, folks, "negro slavery," an expedient in the age before mechanized cotton harvesting, written into a founding document as an Eternal Principle. It was eternal enough for the South to sacrifice 490,000-plus lives and a few decades of economic prosperity just so they could boast about it for a couple of years with a Constitution of their own.

Here in America we like our principles eternal, thank you very much. "The economy," for instance, is something we're supposed to die for. So when we get those hundred-thousand-plus deaths because we couldn't create a decent COVID-19 policy, we can console ourselves that at least it was a sacred cause. And with tears in our eyes, we can proclaim solemnly that "at least she/ he died so the ruling elites could look good as they crushed our civil liberties and left us destitute."

Proposal

I'd like to see a political party in opposition to all that. Let's call it the George Carlin party. It can take its inspiration from this routine:

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@Cassiodorus
Fuck yeah. GC! Totally.

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@Cassiodorus The new party could be referred to (formally or not) as "The Big Club". Irony and all allows the opposite, and I think we should all feel good about belonging to something called The Big Club. "That's right, I don't belong to any country club, and I don't frequent any night club, BUT, I AM a member of the Big Club. Aren't You?"

Hell, you can even draft Teddy to the cause. Wasn't he the one that said something about walking on your tippy-toes wasn't effeminate if you were carrying a Big Club?

/s

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@peachcreek Irony is lost on people these days. Remember that part of our platform is that testing is anathema to education and that everyone should be capable of critical thinking.

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

@Cassiodorus The George Carlin Party.

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What about this election? I doubt a new party can be built and appear on ballots in time. So, I think that, right now, all those who want a new party should, for the short term, switch to the Green Party. En masse. It'd be a lot easier to take over the Green Party than the Democratic Party. The Green Party also typically already has a much better platform than the Dems.

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The People’s Party looks a bit like a Democratic Party cutout.

Attract stellar independents and pull progressive organizations and influencers out of the Democratic Party into a party that truly supports them.

A true and viable people’s party needs to draw from D’s, I’s and R’s. We need a third party that is neither Left or Right, but simply one that serves the essential basic needs of actual people rather than billionaires and corporate “virtual people”. Joining the disaffected and neglected, both left and right adds up to a win-win for both. Otherwise we’ll simply have Pedigreed Sheepdoogs for the next hundred years.

All we need to start with is counteracting decades of identity politics divisive issues and building on our common interests.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

@ovals49
NO corporate donations and no massive private donations. If Bernie Sanders has done nothing else, he has proven that a credible campaign can be run through small(er) donations. But a campaign based on Madison Avenue lipstick on a pig needs the big bucks.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

@ovals49 @ovals49
who said "Libertarians are republicans who want to smoke dope and get layed."
Maybe there's even a place for them in an increasingly racist and religious Republican Party.

EDIT: "not even"

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

Who said “That’s Libertarians for you: anarchists who want police protection from their slaves.”

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- Greta Thunberg

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@ovals49 The problem with such a formulation is that the Right currently in power, in fact in power for the past forty years, does not really give two hoots about the "essential basic needs of actual people." Ruling doctrine today dictates that ordinary people are to be sacrificed upon the altar of the "free market," and the Right has claimed that ground since Nixon and Kissinger destroyed democracy in Chile and since Reagan and Abrams destroyed the Nicaraguan economy.

Perhaps the "Left" today does not care about the "essential basic needs of actual people," either, but that's another issue.

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@Cassiodorus
spout this laissez-faire nonsense. If they have a little side job they think they are Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk and vote hard Right.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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I am a "lurker" at this site nearly everyday. I'm a 2X disappointed Bernie supporter. I just can't give up on the idea that we the people can do something about the dreadful situation in this country, I am commenting because I saw an opportunity to be involved in being part of a new party at another site. If you would like to check it out...go to #DemExit.us
Maybe the People's Party & #DemExit.us will join together to represent the 99% in the near future. Those of us that can't move ourselves to walk away from it all can only hope!

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AMERICAN ends in I CAN!

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@Flowergirl58

Thanks for letting us know that this is in the works.

DemExit: Time for a People's Party

>Dear DNC: This is our Declaration of Independence from your Corporate Party

We, the people, stand together to declare our independence from corporate politics and a two-party system funded by the very businesses and billionaires that exploit us — the working class, the poor, and our planet. We understand that both the Democrats and Republicans (private corporations themselves) are incapable of reform, and have made it abundantly clear that they will ALWAYS choose profits over people.

Now we find ourselves in a moment where it’s far too late to talk reform. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has rigged two presidential primary elections against Bernie Sanders and millions of voters. A global pandemic and unprecedented economic meltdown have lifted the veil, revealing the greed, rot, and corporate beholdenness that has driven another giant transfer of wealth to Wall Street — just like the Great Recession — while the many suffering are thrown a few scraps to keep us from revolting.

We believe that it’s time for a party that fights alongside our movements for economic, racial, social and environmental justice instead of fighting against them. We are ready to build a dynamic movement-party — a party that centers direct action and mutual aid with electoral politics — a party that understands that civil disobedience is critical in this moment if we are to wrest our power from these craven, insatiable elites. A people-powered party that doesn’t take a dime from corporations and billionaires.

I think if congress doesn't up the amount of scraps thrown to us we will be revolting.

Stick around and let us know how this is going.

OMG let's here from Pelosi the hypocrite.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMaGjqOnrQ&list=TLPQMTAwNDIwMjAT9gIbt9N...

Hey Nance, do you have anything to say about the Kennedy Center that you got a $25 million bailout and then they laid off their employees anyway? Just who did that money go to?

And it's so laughable that you are calling out the GOP for loading the bill with pork when you did just that.

Small business loans are going to large businesses because they are sending their lobbyists to get their hands on the money and small businesses can't get loans if they are not currently with the banks.

And this should get the revolution started:

Critics Decry 'Massive Step in Wrong Direction' as Big Banks Move to Buy Up Fracking Industry Assets With Coronavirus Bailout Funds

"Taxpayers shouldn't be required to backstop oil and gas companies that were already in trouble prior to the pandemic."

Unbelievable!

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

I've been doing much reading on a Progressive Party from http://ProgressiveParty.US and think it has great merit. I especially appreciate how the material implicates both the Democrats and Republicans for corruption and general lack of leadership on our important issues.

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If you look at all the better known alternate Parties mentioned here in the comment section they are on the same page for the bulk of each one's 'Platform' and with each presenting their case for being the one to join.
As long as there is an alphabet soup of unaffiliated choices spread across the Country at locations unknown to all the other ones, every single one will remain a dim light in the wilderness of political reality. Together they can do a lot to brighten up the world if they can coalesce around what they have in common, joining forces and collectively voting for one platform for one alternate Party formed from many, or at least as many chose to join.

I don't think many people know how many different Parties have existed in the US, it is a long list and all of them were an attempt to form a viable opposition to the duopoly of the system.

Check out the list on the wikipedia link below,look at how many of them existed at the same time and are now lost to memory, many were one-issue Parties and a lot of them agreed with one another but that was where it ended so the potential collective power was lost.

This is not a new idea, and quite possibly it should have to be done online which would mean there will be no travel or hotel costs and more groups could be part of the discussion,just have a chosen representative for each participating Party.

This is just a suggestion and there area lot of details to hammer out, the moderator being the first concern which could be resolved by doing multiple events and rotating the moderators from Party to Party.

All that aside I'm open to any and all ideas to get everyone out from under the grip of the Duopoly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_St...

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@aliasalias
I have no power and no connections plus I'm too old and techno-illiterate to do this. But it is exactly what needs to happen. If anyone has any connections to influential people who could get this ball rolling, I hope they will make use of them. It is, not to understate it, a matter of life and death.

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-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962