As if we needed another tell: Obama endorses DWS in primary

Link: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/house-races/274443-obama-endorses-wa...

Knock me over with a feather! President Obama has endorsed Debbie Wasserman-Schultz in her primary race over Bernie Sanders-supporter Tim Canova.

LOL:

The president announced his support in a statement released through the lawmaker's campaign on Monday morning that applauds Wasserman Schultz’s progressive chops — an implicit pushback at criticism from the man challenging her in the primary from the left.

“Debbie has been a strong, progressive leader in Congress and a hardworking, committed Chair of our national Party since I proudly nominated her to the role in 2011,” Obama said.

“She always stands up and fights for what is right for her district while passionately supporting middle class families.”

I bet Obama reaaaallllly likes the number DWS has put on Bernie.

Good work, Debbie! (pats head)

VOTE BERNIE SANDERS, BECAUSE FUCK THIS SHIT.

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We've been bitching about his lies and manipulations since 20 minutes after he was elected in 2008. He and his campaign always reminded me of the character Elmer Gantry. The way he courted the youth and avoided their parents' generation reminded me of a guy in windowless panel truck trying to give candy to children. Obama sucks as much as the Clintons. Another candidate the KosKops demanded loyalty to or else.

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for his first inauguration, i knew we were fucked.

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Rick Effing Warren, really???? And it just went straight downhill after that.

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and they kept piling up, Rahm, Tim Geithner, She-who-can-not-be-named as SOS.

Here's a game for us: I call it the Or Else game. Anyone can play:
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/274470-clinton-ai...

Or Else....

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i was still coming to grips with how bad a president Clinton was, even though I'd written about it several times at TOP. but after 8 years of Bush, I thought it's got to get better.

in 2012, totally awake and anti political party including brand Dem, I wrote an essay "Withholding My Vote" and they went nuts... all the finger wagging moralists who now stand proudly on Obama's continuation of BushCo's death and destruction, call him one of the most successful presidents evah and they are exactly the people who want Hillary.

it must mean these people want death and destruction of others. to control, tightly control their own small world by destroying the bigger world outside of themselves.

man. do we ever need a revolution that is evolutionary.

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Also write that he has ended two wars and hasn't started any new ones. One person who wrote that statement is a FPer and I thought WTF?
I guess she hadn't heard that the war in Afghanistan is still happening, that there are troops back in Iraq? Or that he is using drones in 7 countries, dropped more bombs from drones in his first 3 months then Bush did during his entire presidency.
I guess that person also slept thru Libya and Syria and that he has JSOC troops in countries all over Africa.
I could go on about how income inequality is the worst it has been since 1928, but when people say that he is the best president evah, then they are wearing blinders.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

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but it will take me a bit. My bookmarks desperately need to be sorted.

At the end of Bush's term, there were 80 countries in which the US had special troops. Currently under Obama, these special troops are now in 134 countries.

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Except from his new book: Listen, Liberalat Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/bill_clintons_odious_presidency_thomas_f...
Don't want to take up band width here, so this is link to YouTube Rank interview with Thom H.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHXhr0MWoo

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are self serving and disgusting people. They have no sense of shame at all.

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Thanks for bringing it here to c99, Caerus.

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Obama stood by and let the reichwingnuts control the religious narrative for his administration - which should not even BE part of any of the political decisions or ceremonies for any president; period - all contrary to the US Constitution, as he should have known if he were a good constitutional scholar.

Letting Warren carry the day was one of the first mistakes of the Obama administration's first term since it came only five months after Obama voted for FISA '08 (breaking one of his campaign promises before he was even elected, but after he had the nomination sewn up), and three days after the FISA fiasco Obama said he'd not only expand Dumbya's 'office of faith-based initiatives,' but increase the funding for it, another illegal and unconstitutional piece of chicanery which desperately needs to be disbanded on the grounds of unconstitutionality since it's a toe in the door to instituting a national religion by government mandate, and morons like Canadian-born Ted Cruz with his religious fanaticism would be quick to take advantage of. Since it was created with an executive order, I think the 'office of faith-based initiatives' could be disbanded and struck off the federal payroll with a countermanding executive order.

US Constitution Article VI, paragraph 3
... no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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in the primary here in Oregon. The day after Senator Obama voted for FISA I quit. I already had reservations as the OFA had sent their goons squads to his Portland campaign headquarters. They came from DC and had a big meeting where they told us all not to talk about 'issues' just tell your story of how you came to Jesus. We were also told not to bad mouth or rile up Hillary supporters.

I still feel guilty about all the people I hornswoggled and often think I should go back and apologize to the new Democratic voters I registered and the disenfranchised young and old people I convinced that this was change they could believe in. One guy whose wife was on my list was out working in his yard and said as I walked up to their door. "I really do not trust him and I think both you and my wife are going to regret believing in this fraud'.

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water is wet....

Sorry... I think we ALL could see this coming from miles away...eh?

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I did not see this coming, no. I expected her to find herself on her own, given up as a sacrificial, uh, you know. In the service of The Party. Sacrificed election-wise, that is, but guaranteed to have some sort of well-paid job in the administration, if Clinton manages to defy odds.

But... endorsed by anyone who wants to keep his elected position?

No way.

But what was I thinking? Our current president does not fall in that category.

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To tell the Democrats that the deal is OFF.

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but if he just misses out on their nomination, I'm also pulling for him to go indie in the general. This shit is ridiculous...

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If DWS wins re-election, nobody will get rid of her as chair. She's already lost so many seats, that it's obvious they don't care about that criteria.

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I want a Pony!

like Micheal Moore was right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9CH3HuJVls (right click open in new window. the owner denied embedded access)

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When he received the Peace Prize, before he had ever really done ANYTHING to promote peace... Right there was when I started to wonder..... And now, after 8 years...he cannot be called a peaceful president.

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I think he'll be excoriated for pushing the TPP in every way he could and for what will be more widely seen as the sell-out to the insurance industry of the Affordable Care Act. And for his harsh record on whistleblowers, on the continuing wars (minimized for PR value), Gitmo, his failure to prosecute Wall St. fraud and allow those who created the risk to bear the consequences of their gambling. He continued the policy of socializing risk and privatizing profit in the finance sector. I think that history, looking back, will find the good stuff outweighed by the bad stuff, akin to Bill Clinton. He and his family will be found to be more personable and personally liked, but his legacy will be seen as more tarnish than shine, signaled by appointments of Emanuel, Geithner, Summers, and the foreign policy disaster of Clinton's State Dept.

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"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521

I agree with every sentiment in these comments, and yet, I still think Obama has been a great President. Not as great as I would have wanted, and not as great as I think Bernie will be if he wins, but still great. And if Clinton wins I think we will miss Obama. I could tell you a few reasons for my "great" rating, but I can sum it up in two points.
1. I only have the other Presidents to compare him to...this job is not done in a vacuum.
2. He has resisted getting involved in the Assad regime change game. He has had to beat back tons of neocon and non-neocon advisors to get us to avoid a sure quagmire. Has he been perfect on the Middle East? Hell no!!! But again, the comparison to other Presidents shows itself.

Moves like this DWS endorsement make me sick. Today, I am sickened by Obama. But in 10 years I know for sure I will miss him. I thought Obama would be a 9, but he is a 7.

But you know, in this case the difference between 7 and 9 is actually a helluva lot.

Anyway, here are my ratings. Obama - 7, Bill Clinton - 5, Carter - 6, GHWB - 2, GWB - 0, Reagan - 2
Please record my Presidential ratings in your archives. It's important!!! Hahaha

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Obama has presided over the continuation of eternal war and by so doing has made it acceptable. W's actions were criminal. It was the responsibility of the next President to fix it, to clean it up, to get rid of the concept that we could invade "just because", that we could bomb places "because there might be enemies there".

Consider what we'd think if China started bombing six or seven countries and acted like they were being patriotic. Imagine if Russia did that. You've seen how people freaked out because of the Ukraine situation. Well the US with Bush was much worse and Obama, instead of reversing it has made it our way of life. For that he gets a zero. For pushing the TPP he gets a zero. For his drones he gets a zero and for joking about his drones he gets a zero....because my scale only goes that low. For double crossing us on the public option he gets a zero.

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Once again, I agree with everything you wrote in your response.
Maybe I just have two opinions that really don't go together.
Maybe I just don't have the courage of my convictions.
Maybe growing up under Reagan - Bush, and then being politically traumatized by Bush II, I am like some kind of disoriented shell with no moral compass.
I actually can sum up the cognitive dissonance like this:
For whatever reason, I seem to be of two minds all the time. If you care to listen I will explain.
On the one hand, I think of how we live as humans and as a nation and I think: This is insane from top to bottom. It is death. The way slavery and genocide set a tone for our country that so few acknowledge or understand, and how it reflects itself in our foreign policy and social policy to this day. How we get our food, how we take so many drugs, how we trash this beautiful planet, how we waste our time on frivolous pursuits that may be a collective passion but usually lacks a spiritual component (sports, entertainment).
It is this mind that gives Obama a straight up 0.0 Animal House style.

My other mind is more cynical and sort of accepts that the "shitty way of things" is just how it will always be, no matter how insane. I know it's crazy, and I know you know it's crazy, but "they" don't really seem to care or notice. Most people just accept that this shitty corporate consumer nation is life as they know it and always will be. In this world, Obama was never going to stop our role of having a huge presence in the Middle East, where we have all of these "strategic interests" that the Serious People are concerned with, damn the humanitarian consequences. In this world, we WILL be in the Middle East. Obama ain't stoppin this WAY by himself, when you have Clintons and Schumers and Manchins in your own party and even more insane warmongers across the aisle. So given that we are locked into an immoral resource based strategy with guaranteed blowback, I think that Drones make some sense. BUT ONLY IF YOU HAVE AN INSANE VIEW OF THIS LIFE AND THIS WORLD AND HOW TO BEHAVE. And we sure do.

So that is my other mind. And look, I know red meat causes global warming and is cruel to animals. But I eat cheeseburgers on the regular. I live in California and I get more Double Doubles than Blake Griffin. That's where the thing about not having the courage of my convictions comes in. I live in this insane world that is not going to change the basic WAY. So I give in and eat cheeseburgers and give Presidents who send Drone death to bad guys and their families alike a big fat 7 rating.

But that side of me that knows it's WRONG, both the cheeseburger and the drones, it just seems to be getting the better of me more and more every day. And this campaign, with the sick power of the corporations and their owned politicians on constant display, just makes me less and less able to abide by this madness.

So I still give Obama a simultaneous 7 and a 0. But you know what? I know deep down and not so deep down that the 7 rating is INSANE. We have to be better than that 7. If we can't be better than that 7 rating as a nation, due to our WAY, then maybe I can be better than that 7 as an individual.

Here is a philosophical question. If I switch my Obama rating to 0, can I still have the cheeseburgers?

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So he gets a much higher rating for me.

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Carter walks on. Not one American soldier died in wars on his watch. He was right on climate change and renewable energy in 1976!!!! When I think that Obama and Kissinger share the Nobel Peace Prize I despair of humanity. Oh wait, I despaired of humanity long before that. I love that man. Teddy Kennedy, the miscreant, robbed him of a 2nd term. To think, the world could have been spared 40 years of America-on-Reagan. I hope Kennedy rots in hell and can't wait to clout him with a 2x4 - burning one - in hell one day. (I'm a bit mental today, as you can see :=) I hope your doing well, mate. Take care, eh.

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Spring break finally over so I have my days back with the kids in school, so that helps.

I admit, I was born only 2 months before Carter was elected, so I don't remember much. I do remember getting away with a lot of stuff as a kid that kids aren't allowed to do anymore though...

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He's been the sort of president after leaving office as he should have been while in office. The difference? He is keeping his own counsel and not listening to the likes of Bert Lance and Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski - who once aspired to be as big a war criminal as Henry Kissinger..

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feeling the effects of the Trilateral Commission (at one time headed by Ziggie), it's fair to say that Carter has devoted his entire post-Presidency in pursuit of achieving peace, and fighting for human rights around the world.

During (some of) our years in Atlanta, he was Governor, and without a doubt, an honorable man.

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n/t

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if Obama emulates Bill Clinton in his post presidency, going around doing some good things but mostly soaking up the big bucks personally.

I have been bitterly disappointed in Obama lately, though. His silence as the DNC overturned the lobbyist money rule right after the New Hampshire primary was ....indefensible. And now this. Supporting someone who is in favor of weakening the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. WTF?

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It was unforgivable what the Liberal Lion did. he set the path for Ronald Reagan, in great part because of his sabotage.

Had Carter had half a chance, I suspect he would have shined and thrived.

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but he certainly is the best human being to have held that job among recent Presidents.

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works so hard ... i think it isto atone for his being part of the system. and i admire him greatly for it.

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believe the disrespect that Americans show the best of American presidents in the 2nd half of the 20th c. G*d bless Jimmy Carter, now and forever. There's gonna be a huge choir waiting for Jimmy at da poily gates one day. Best wishes,

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somebody should tell him.

Actually this is useful. It shows that a certain wing of the party, the Obama/Clinton wing, is screwed up and should be driven out. It's like they're telling us "we're corrupt, what are you going to do about it?". It'll be interesting to see the pretzelations of right of center Dems who were happy to get rid of Debbie and how they deal with this info.

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It doesn't matter if you changed the formula and stuck a NEW on it.
No, not even if it's a Store Brand Taste-alike.
No, not even if you take the brand name off of it and pretend it's an artisan soda.

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Wonder what the FP over on the GOS will have to say about this endorsement?
So far, crickets ...

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if he refused to endorse her.

She makes me want to puke.

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eom

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This shit is bananas.

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I am not surprised.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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As I recall, after his Ides of March Edict, the Owner tried to placate the Berniecrats by calling for the ouster of DWS and Rahm Emanuel. Of course by then it was like spitting on a forest fire in terms of placating Bernie's Brigade. So what will he do now? Rahm is the PBO/HRC pet Rottweiler, and DWS their lap dog Poodle. Since the Berniecrats are long gone from TOS, will the Owner try to walk back his "ouster" essay? Unless someone tells me here on c99p, I will never know.

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An Orange Pekingese. (Note: This breed is dumb and stubborn, and they also tend to think they are in charge.)

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n/t

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The Poodle is a highly respected French hunting dog. They're fur is so thick and tight, it's waterproof.

"A pox on your metaphores, Sir."

[sniff, sniff] AB sits down again in the back row of the peanut gallery.

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A few days after the Ides of March Edict, but prior to 3/15, I seem to recall the Owner writing a diary calling for the removal of DWS as head of the DNC. I believe there was also a call for the Mayor of Chicago to be recalled and/or defeated. Perhaps I am mistaken.

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because I seriously doubt that will ever be mentioned again. (I remember the admonition/sic the REAL bad guy Diary.)

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What possible reason, justification could Obama have for getting involved in this one. He doesn't owe DWS squat. He knows she's a disaster - somebody cut a deal, but for for what?

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There is still a lack of complete funding to establish his LIEbury to hide all of his crimes against the American People. He needs Hillary's donors to cough up enough cash to complete the job. Wouldn't be prudent to not have a LIEbury like all of his Reppublican idols, now would it? Thus, he needs to help coronate Hillary and his final political dream can be realized.

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Follow the money, money, money....

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A thank you:

For making sure that HRC has every thing she needs?
For hampering Sanders at each chance she gets and/or making those opportunities.
For keeping voters in the dark
For voter suppression
For refusing to fight for better election coverage

In recognition of future acts

To further suppress voter turnout
To hire the company who services voting machines in key states.
To bend whatever rules it takes to grant HRC more money
To keep the cameras trained off of Sanders

For these things and so much more, she will also be allowed to carry HRC's train in January.

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surprised, NOT.

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I knew it was over. I expected him to bring in new blood. When the scabbed over blood was installed, I knew we were doomed.

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... particularly the War departments (DoD/Pentagon, etc.), and I don't forget some of the Bushista DoJ people went from appointees to salaried employees, thus ensuring things like lost documents and whatnot to prevent the Bushistas from being tried for lies and war crimes.

Then there was the drone bombings which began before Obama was in office even a week.

I could go on, but I'm tired of repeating myself.

The results were still the same: We the People got the shaft, and the rich got richer (especially the corporations that wrote ACA/Obamacare), Obama kept caving to the Rethugs EVERY time so he could become the great "bipartisan compromiser," which, IMHO, made him a confirmed Rethuglican Lite DINO, an "accomplishment" that continues to this day, and will outlive his eight years in office when the TPP goes into effect - 'cuz you know that disaster waiting to happen will come up for a vote immediately after election day and pass. If TPP does NOT pass, I'll be stunned into shocked silence.

UGH.

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If TPP does NOT pass, I'll be stunned into shocked silence.

Please do not fall silent on us! If TPP doesn't pass on the first attempt, you can bet the fucking farm they'll keep trying until it does pass -- the last thing our country or our Planet needs.

Thank you!

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a bit better in his second term, especially in contrast to the prospect of Clinton II, but endorsing Debbie is just fucking disgusting.

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has pushed down our throats in either term.

IMHO his second term- second verse same as the first.

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it's just the talking points were what we wanted to hear.

but what has actually resulted from all those words??? not too much.

in fact, his DOJ just reinstated this gem:

“Equitable Sharing Program" and, i shit you not, the program with this innocent-sounding name is:

Asset forfeiture is a contentious practice that lets police seize and keep cash and property from people who are never convicted of wrongdoing — and in many cases, never charged. Studies have found that use of the practice has exploded in recent years, prompting concern that, in some cases, police are motivated more by profit and less by justice.

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Trick question. He only PROMISED to filibuster the pending FISA bill, only to vote like a Republican to pass this ex poste facto law - something expressly forbidden by the Constitution a total of FIVE TIMES.

Our Constitutional Scholar President is a huge liar, and I don't ever trust a word he has said since this moment. It completely blew away any hope I had that he'd bring change. There was no bigger tell necessary to know this about the "1985 moderate Reagan Republican" posing as a liberal just to get elected. Barry's as corporatist as someone can come, and he doesn't care who catches on to his lies. He got his.

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At this point, I'm hoping McConnell "stands his ground." If he caves we're highly likely to get a DINO Supreme from the Manchurian President. And that'll be a fuckathon that will last until most us here are dust.

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to not do their job. Hopefully, everyone will quit signing petitions to force a vote.

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

In the words of the republi cant's, I hate to say it but Obummer!

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68. That said IMO he would have destroyed Soc Sec and other programs if repugs hadn't refused to deal with him. And TPP. Etc.

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