Morning folks - Conversation today may be totally up to you.
My internet service has been out for the last 10 hours and intermittent the past 2. If the internet connection stays active I will edit this evening (Thursday) and add some thoughts I was going to post for the OT.
I have a question which you or someone else might know. Do you have to have symptoms to spread the coronavirus, or can you spread it when you are unaware of your infection?
@Lookout
Asymptomatic cases are those who carry the virus but display no symptoms of illness such as fever. There were no immediate further details about the 12 cruise ship cases from the WHO.
WHO epidemiologist Maria van Kerkhove said on Thursday the organization did not believe transmission of the disease by asymptomatic people was a major factor fuelLing its spread.
I'm paying special attention to this due to upcoming travel to Egypt.
I have a question which you or someone else might know. Do you have to have symptoms to spread the coronavirus, or can you spread it when you are unaware of your infection?
so it seems folks without symptoms can spread it, but not as effectively as those with the symptoms.
Good luck with your trip. As summer comes on the virus should decrease.
#1 Asymptomatic cases are those who carry the virus but display no symptoms of illness such as fever. There were no immediate further details about the 12 cruise ship cases from the WHO.
WHO epidemiologist Maria van Kerkhove said on Thursday the organization did not believe transmission of the disease by asymptomatic people was a major factor fuelLing its spread.
@Lookout
they don't know. The only thing they've nailed down so far is the structure of the virus (the tech aspect) and that it has disproportionately killed older men and those with compromised immune systems. That is different from annual influenza that also disproportionately impacts very young children, and may not differ for elderly men and women.
What is yet to be determined:
incubation period
contagious period
at what stage the test can identify infection
progression of the illness
So far, the only agreed upon early symptom is a fever. But this isn't being used in public health announcements that would include what to do if one has a fever. In the 2014-15 Ebola epidemic, Liberia became Ebola free before Guinea and Sierra Leone, with an army of "barefoot doctors." Not actually barefoot and not doctors, but minimally trained workers that went into the hotspot communities and checked and recorded the temperatures of the residents every three days. Those that developed a fever were then moved to a quarantine site, given plenty of fluids, and monitored. (Ebola is only contagious after other symptoms develop and it isn't airborne.) And contact tracing was performed to heighten the monitoring of those people.
The panic over CoVid-19 is a direct result of the pathetic public health and medical community communications to the public. (Not helped by the ignorant and stupid statements from the WH.) The simple stuff that everyone can do is overlooked in favor of "we'll test everybody." Except test kits don't exist and can't be rapidly produced for more than a few thousand, a high percentage of Americans can't afford to get tested (thanks to the non-existence of UHC in the US), and the reliability and sensitivity of the test is unknown.
The simple and most effective steps that everyone can take aren't being done. Frequent hand washing and don't touch your face aren't wrong but they are insufficient. Donning masks and slathering oneself with hand sanitizer is stupid as is the panic buying of food staples. Typical American stupidity.
I have a question which you or someone else might know. Do you have to have symptoms to spread the coronavirus, or can you spread it when you are unaware of your infection?
#1
they don't know. The only thing they've nailed down so far is the structure of the virus (the tech aspect) and that it has disproportionately killed older men and those with compromised immune systems. That is different from annual influenza that also disproportionately impacts very young children, and may not differ for elderly men and women.
What is yet to be determined:
incubation period
contagious period
at what stage the test can identify infection
progression of the illness
So far, the only agreed upon early symptom is a fever. But this isn't being used in public health announcements that would include what to do if one has a fever. In the 2014-15 Ebola epidemic, Liberia became Ebola free before Guinea and Sierra Leone, with an army of "barefoot doctors." Not actually barefoot and not doctors, but minimally trained workers that went into the hotspot communities and checked and recorded the temperatures of the residents every three days. Those that developed a fever were then moved to a quarantine site, given plenty of fluids, and monitored. (Ebola is only contagious after other symptoms develop and it isn't airborne.) And contact tracing was performed to heighten the monitoring of those people.
The panic over CoVid-19 is a direct result of the pathetic public health and medical community communications to the public. (Not helped by the ignorant and stupid statements from the WH.) The simple stuff that everyone can do is overlooked in favor of "we'll test everybody." Except test kits don't exist and can't be rapidly produced for more than a few thousand, a high percentage of Americans can't afford to get tested (thanks to the non-existence of UHC in the US), and the reliability and sensitivity of the test is unknown.
The simple and most effective steps that everyone can take aren't being done. Frequent hand washing and don't touch your face aren't wrong but they are insufficient. Donning masks and slathering oneself with hand sanitizer is stupid as is the panic buying of food staples. Typical American stupidity.
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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Edited to add that I just saw where AOC was on Seth Meyers Late Night and said we have to unite behind the dimwit nominee to defeat Herr Drumpf. She's been talking to Bernie. So - everyone who tweets, please tweet to AOC that we will not vote blue no matter who - that taking down Herr Drumpf is not the goal - the socialist platform is the goal. Thanks.
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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
The Dumbfuckrat Party Establishment is rigging like mad to drag the brain-dead carcass of Gropey Joe ByeDone over the finish line - and Drumpf will eat him for lunch and still be ravenously hungry.
"Blue No Matter Who" = Four More Years of Trump and Screw You Peons.
Stock market is tanking again today, while gold goes up. Oil is falling too. Maybe that bubble is really popping. Get prepared everyone!
Edited to add that I just saw where AOC was on Seth Meyers Late Night and said we have to unite behind the dimwit nominee to defeat Herr Drumpf. She's been talking to Bernie. So - everyone who tweets, please tweet to AOC that we will not vote blue no matter who - that taking down Herr Drumpf is not the goal - the socialist platform is the goal. Thanks.
when are folks going to wake up to the reality
that the dem party is burnt toast
just watch what they do to Bernie
painful anyone thinks it's anything now
but evil.
The Dumbfuckrat Party Establishment is rigging like mad to drag the brain-dead carcass of Gropey Joe ByeDone over the finish line - and Drumpf will eat him for lunch and still be ravenously hungry.
"Blue No Matter Who" = Four More Years of Trump and Screw You Peons.
@Raggedy Ann
always has very good guests on over important issues that are either ignored or distorted in the msm.
A prime example is recent program about the Julian Assange trial, which is undoubtedly among the most important trials in modern history when it comes down to the issue of the threat to international law, human rights, freedom of speech and freedom of the Press.
Stock market is tanking again today, while gold goes up. Oil is falling too. Maybe that bubble is really popping. Get prepared everyone!
Edited to add that I just saw where AOC was on Seth Meyers Late Night and said we have to unite behind the dimwit nominee to defeat Herr Drumpf. She's been talking to Bernie. So - everyone who tweets, please tweet to AOC that we will not vote blue no matter who - that taking down Herr Drumpf is not the goal - the socialist platform is the goal. Thanks.
@aliasalias
I watched this episode. Crosstalk is a great show!
#2 always has very good guests on over important issues that are either ignored or distorted in the msm.
A prime example is recent program about the Julian Assange trial, which is undoubtedly among the most important trials in modern history when it comes down to the issue of the threat to international law, human rights, freedom of speech and freedom of the Press.
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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I hate it went the internet get's cut off. In my case it's usually cause I can't afford the bill.
The response to virus this has been ignorant, and seems, well, intended that way. So many common sense responses just ignored. Hey, let's let people fly from the cities were the virus is spreading, to the US. Make sure we don't have enough test kits, and make sure they don't work very well. Nice touch don't ya think...
I'm still wondering where the "capitalist innovation" is? Right, I mean come one, what's taking so long? I thought "capitalist" were the gods of the universe?
@RantingRooster
to making money or profits, not with respect to providing goods and services. When the coronavirus hit the news, for example, Jim Bakker was out there on TV flogging a bogus cure almost immediately. A real "cure" or vaccine will take some time, because:
1) there is almost sure to be more money in treatment than prevention
2) it takes actual research scientists doing actual research which requires material
quantities of isolated samples of the pathogen to be obtained/produced in a safe manner
I hate it went the internet get's cut off. In my case it's usually cause I can't afford the bill.
The response to virus this has been ignorant, and seems, well, intended that way. So many common sense responses just ignored. Hey, let's let people fly from the cities were the virus is spreading, to the US. Make sure we don't have enough test kits, and make sure they don't work very well. Nice touch don't ya think...
I'm still wondering where the "capitalist innovation" is? Right, I mean come one, what's taking so long? I thought "capitalist" were the gods of the universe?
— Economic Policy Institute (@EconomicPolicy) March 6, 2020
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they had a drug that would be effective against COVID19. They had a Go Fund Me page to get it into production. Believe It or Not.
Yeah the story was running on the local news a couple weeks ago. I didn’t send them a penny, due to the aroma of BS. My guess is that it was a warmed-over AIDS drug as such drugs were being used in China to try to fight the virus. Either that or an anti-viral developed for flu.
#3
to making money or profits, not with respect to providing goods and services. When the coronavirus hit the news, for example, Jim Bakker was out there on TV flogging a bogus cure almost immediately. A real "cure" or vaccine will take some time, because:
1) there is almost sure to be more money in treatment than prevention
2) it takes actual research scientists doing actual research which requires material
quantities of isolated samples of the pathogen to be obtained/produced in a safe manner
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they had a drug that would be effective against COVID19. They had a Go Fund Me page to get it into production. Believe It or Not.
Yeah the story was running on the local news a couple weeks ago. I didn’t send them a penny, due to the aroma of BS. My guess is that it was a warmed-over AIDS drug as such drugs were being used in China to try to fight the virus. Either that or an anti-viral developed for flu.
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
massively erratic. I don't really miss it when we're camping or out on the road, but hate it when it goes down when we're at home. Horribly frustrating.
have a good one.
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Needed to take a break from everything so I joined some fellow crew members at a local pub here in my neighborhood to celebrate the birthday of one of my managers. By the time I got there everyone was already in their cups, so when I presented my gag gift, the birthday boy burst out laughing. Can you guess why?
I'm only sorry I didn't record the bunny doing his thing when someone put this little guy on the pool table and watched him leaving amendments along the way. It got a big laugh especially since the people playing pool at the time weren't from our party. Don't know if they thought it was as funny as we did, but they were good sports about it.
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because Malaika Jabal's response is more succinct than what I, as a non-AA, felt comfortable enough to put in another thread:
black women deal with this shit all the time. notice how nina let this lady speak without interrupting, but as soon as nina talks, gets interrupted, and tried to defend herself, Cuomo gives the lecture about tone.
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Our rural service is come and go too
I have a question which you or someone else might know. Do you have to have symptoms to spread the coronavirus, or can you spread it when you are unaware of your infection?
Here's Dr Campbell's report from yesterday (19 min)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HpU_x9OgQ4]
A couple of cases reported in GA and another in TN. Here it comes ready or not.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
here is some info from an article on Reuters I read
Asymptomatic cases are those who carry the virus but display no symptoms of illness such as fever. There were no immediate further details about the 12 cruise ship cases from the WHO.
WHO epidemiologist Maria van Kerkhove said on Thursday the organization did not believe transmission of the disease by asymptomatic people was a major factor fuelLing its spread.
article link
I'm paying special attention to this due to upcoming travel to Egypt.
Thanks...
so it seems folks without symptoms can spread it, but not as effectively as those with the symptoms.
Good luck with your trip. As summer comes on the virus should decrease.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
From what I've been able to piece together,
they don't know. The only thing they've nailed down so far is the structure of the virus (the tech aspect) and that it has disproportionately killed older men and those with compromised immune systems. That is different from annual influenza that also disproportionately impacts very young children, and may not differ for elderly men and women.
What is yet to be determined:
incubation period
contagious period
at what stage the test can identify infection
progression of the illness
So far, the only agreed upon early symptom is a fever. But this isn't being used in public health announcements that would include what to do if one has a fever. In the 2014-15 Ebola epidemic, Liberia became Ebola free before Guinea and Sierra Leone, with an army of "barefoot doctors." Not actually barefoot and not doctors, but minimally trained workers that went into the hotspot communities and checked and recorded the temperatures of the residents every three days. Those that developed a fever were then moved to a quarantine site, given plenty of fluids, and monitored. (Ebola is only contagious after other symptoms develop and it isn't airborne.) And contact tracing was performed to heighten the monitoring of those people.
The panic over CoVid-19 is a direct result of the pathetic public health and medical community communications to the public. (Not helped by the ignorant and stupid statements from the WH.) The simple stuff that everyone can do is overlooked in favor of "we'll test everybody." Except test kits don't exist and can't be rapidly produced for more than a few thousand, a high percentage of Americans can't afford to get tested (thanks to the non-existence of UHC in the US), and the reliability and sensitivity of the test is unknown.
The simple and most effective steps that everyone can take aren't being done. Frequent hand washing and don't touch your face aren't wrong but they are insufficient. Donning masks and slathering oneself with hand sanitizer is stupid as is the panic buying of food staples. Typical American stupidity.
Thanks for your info...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good morning, soe ~~
Stock market is tanking again today, while gold goes up. Oil is falling too. Maybe that bubble is really popping. Get prepared everyone!
This crosstalk episode is great - I recommend watching the 25 minutes.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN9RcROvKxY&feature=youtu.be]
Have a beautiful day and weekend, folks!
Edited to add that I just saw where AOC was on Seth Meyers Late Night and said we have to unite behind the dimwit nominee to defeat Herr Drumpf. She's been talking to Bernie. So - everyone who tweets, please tweet to AOC that we will not vote blue no matter who - that taking down Herr Drumpf is not the goal - the socialist platform is the goal. Thanks.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Sorry, AOC, that's EPIC FAIL
The Dumbfuckrat Party Establishment is rigging like mad to drag the brain-dead carcass of Gropey Joe ByeDone over the finish line - and Drumpf will eat him for lunch and still be ravenously hungry.
"Blue No Matter Who" = Four More Years of Trump and Screw You Peons.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
For real
when are folks going to wake up to the reality
that the dem party is burnt toast
just watch what they do to Bernie
painful anyone thinks it's anything now
but evil.
question everything
Kinda OT but I've enjoyed Crosstalk for years & Peter Lavelle
always has very good guests on over important issues that are either ignored or distorted in the msm.
A prime example is recent program about the Julian Assange trial, which is undoubtedly among the most important trials in modern history when it comes down to the issue of the threat to international law, human rights, freedom of speech and freedom of the Press.
Yes, indeed -
I watched this episode. Crosstalk is a great show!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Morning
I hate it went the internet get's cut off. In my case it's usually cause I can't afford the bill.
The response to virus this has been ignorant, and seems, well, intended that way. So many common sense responses just ignored. Hey, let's let people fly from the cities were the virus is spreading, to the US. Make sure we don't have enough test kits, and make sure they don't work very well. Nice touch don't ya think...
I'm still wondering where the "capitalist innovation" is? Right, I mean come one, what's taking so long? I thought "capitalist" were the gods of the universe?
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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote
Capitalism is innovative and ahead of the curve with respect
to making money or profits, not with respect to providing goods and services. When the coronavirus hit the news, for example, Jim Bakker was out there on TV flogging a bogus cure almost immediately. A real "cure" or vaccine will take some time, because:
1) there is almost sure to be more money in treatment than prevention
2) it takes actual research scientists doing actual research which requires material
quantities of isolated samples of the pathogen to be obtained/produced in a safe manner
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
A lab attached to Emory University said
they had a drug that would be effective against COVID19. They had a Go Fund Me page to get it into production. Believe It or Not.
Yeah the story was running on the local news a couple weeks ago. I didn’t send them a penny, due to the aroma of BS. My guess is that it was a warmed-over AIDS drug as such drugs were being used in China to try to fight the virus. Either that or an anti-viral developed for flu.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Somebody in Seattle is looking for volunteers for a clinical
trial of a possible vaccine. It appears that they are somehow in partnership with Kaiser on this.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning soe. Sorry to hear that your internet is being
massively erratic. I don't really miss it when we're camping or out on the road, but hate it when it goes down when we're at home. Horribly frustrating.
have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
New coronavirus protein reveals drug target -- article
https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/new-coronavirus-protein-reve...
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
And now for something very silly
Needed to take a break from everything so I joined some fellow crew members at a local pub here in my neighborhood to celebrate the birthday of one of my managers. By the time I got there everyone was already in their cups, so when I presented my gag gift, the birthday boy burst out laughing. Can you guess why?
[video:https://youtu.be/H2zp8hkvseY]
I'm only sorry I didn't record the bunny doing his thing when someone put this little guy on the pool table and watched him leaving amendments along the way. It got a big laugh especially since the people playing pool at the time weren't from our party. Don't know if they thought it was as funny as we did, but they were good sports about it.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I wanted to bring this forward
because Malaika Jabal's response is more succinct than what I, as a non-AA, felt comfortable enough to put in another thread: