New Hampshire Results Coming In--Sanders Declared Winner!
Submitted by apenultimate on Tue, 02/11/2020 - 7:26pm
Sanders declared the winner in New Hampshire, with 90% of results in.
Right now (1:24 AM NH time), 97% precincts reporting:
Sanders: 25.9%
Buttigieg: 24.4%
Klobuchar: 19.8%
Warren: 9.3%
Biden: 8.4%
Steyer: 3.6%
Gabbard: 3.3%
Yang: 2.8%
Things are wrapping up. Maybe one or two more updates coming--then it is off to sleep!
Gabbard's run here is very disappointing, although I still favor her. She spent 98 days in the state, and around $2 million here, and managed to convince less than 10 thousand people to support her. Not looking good overall for her presidential bid.
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Guardian Link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/feb/11/new-hamps...
Scroll down about one page. Dynamically updates.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Guardian is now running way behind too n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Yup
I switched over to CNN.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Klobuchar
is the new Warrengieg du jour.
A strong third.......
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Media bounce
I figure she’ll place ok tonight. Might be her best night. Taking a swipes around Mayo Rat the other night helped her.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Something like this ... ?
[video:https://youtu.be/BKezUd_xw20]
I absolutely loved that, Janis
and sent the link to a friend who has been having difficulties with her very competitive pianist sister. She'll get a good laugh out of it, too. Thanks!
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Cheers, laurel
It is very entertaining! I hope your friend's sister can recognise the humour in it ;).
I enjoyed that a lot more than I anticipated.
Thanks for the share!
A
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I can understand that, Alphalop.
When I initially started watching it I wondered whether it was going to be a silly, over-the-top farce, but it really worked. Glad you enjoyed it.
I think I love you, Bollox Relief
You always "get it"!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Bennett drops out
according to HillTV
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Bennet and Yang
In the same night.
And apparently Patrick is still in it
Who knew?
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Who?
I woke up this morning determined to drink less, eat right, and exercise.
But that was four hours ago when I was younger and full of hope.
Patrick
Was supposed to make a splash in NH with super pac bucks because his campaign coffers are empty. Now "they" will probably keep him in (and drop lots of money) as "their" SC insurance move. More necessary than ever as at best, Biden can only limp down there. (Technically, Biden is probably broke, but he's been relying on super pacs all along and they may not yet abandon him.
Well --
wrong call from me on this. Joe got the go ahead for SC where he appeared Tuesday night instead of hanging around to console his NH supporters. Patrick dropping out Wednesday should get more public attention than when he dropped in.
Patrick
Reportedly will announce his departure on Wednesday. He'll command more attention that way.
My thoughts on Bennet after looking him up
What? He dropped out? Really?
Who was he?
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
He's my Senator
from here in Colorado, at least for now...
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Warren did herself in with that "you called me a liar"
because people looked at her history and said "yep".
Sometimes it's a mistake to try to tar your opponent with what you're guilty of, or, in Hillary's case, what your husband's guilty of.
She has been making little digs at Bernie all day
Hey Liz when you lie to people to make yourself look good you aren't. All it does is show how really shallow you are. I sure hope that we don't have to listen to her for the next 3 years complaining about how mean the Bernie bros were to her. Sheesh she is turning into Hillary.
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and that was a weird comment about Klobuchar
trying to piggyback on Klobuchar's 3rd place finish because....they're both women! I mean it didn't come across as sincere congratulations to Klobuchar, it felt more like trying to elbow in on the "glory".
Always wrong
Hmm I wonder why he didn't mention Warren? What will she cost us, kos? Maybe Bernie.
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F#ck Moulitas and
wtf why are Buttigieg and Klubochar even getting any votes?, both so terrible and ineffective.
Well Klobuchar is probably getting votes
for having trolled Buttigieg in a debate. Why Buttigieg is getting anything more than the billionaire vote is beyond me. Is there a "proving PT Barnum right" constituency?
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
Yes,
, there is. Many of them are Republicans, of course.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
True that.
And the rest are probably Clintonites.
They sure seem to love an empty suit, be it pants or regular.
I wish the "Centrists" would go join the Republican party where they belong.
They are all to the right of Regan.
I seriously think all the moderate Republicans migrated to the Dems rather than take their party back from the Teapublicans
That or we really need a third party ASAP.
If the DNC screws Bernie again I'm voting for Trump as nothing more than a giant FU to the cheating bastards.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
In the movie “The Thirteenth Floor” a man discovers the world is
fake — a computer simulation — when he sees the result of doing something unexpected — driving to a place in the desert no one would normally have a reason to go to, taking a road that is supposed to be blocked off. What he finds is that when he exceeds certain limits, the simulation he is living in stops bothering to render nuance and detail. What appear to be solid mountains in the distance are exposed as merely a wire-frame computer model.
In a like vein, years ago there was a video for people writing computer software showing two guys at an industry conference relaxing in a pleasantly decorated refreshment area, enjoying a cup of coffee. One of them absent-mindedly does something unexpected — picks up a packet of salt instead of sugar and pours it into his coffee. Suddenly they find themselves in the basement, surrounded by grimy pipes and thundering equipment. A sign appears out of nowhere saying: “An unanticipated condition occurred: salt in coffee. System error -1117.” The moral for computer people is that even when users do something unusual or surprising, the system should be able to handle it and continue to behave reasonably rather than crash.
The other day I realized that this is what a lot of people are doing when they vote for Brexit, or Trump, or in Germany the right-wing AfD. They are testing the system.
Doing or saying something supposedly off-limits or taboo is a way of testing if democracy is real. Establishment freak-out and hysteria — the system ceasing to bother rendering nuance and detail — exposes the democracy of the system as being simulated rather than real.
your comment is beyond my paygrade, but
it appears to me that they are not testing the system, they use their basic rights of freedom of speech and freedom of vote (being counted correctly) in a democraycy to enable fascism.
Alice Weidel (AFD princess) is the poor victim (that emjoys it tremendously) of our 'undemocratic, fascist constitution'. Period.
Well, beyond my paygrade, I know I belong to the lower tier of the 99 percenters. Not paid enough.
Whatever ... But your last sentence is true.
(edit spelling and added sentence at the end of the comment added apostrophes)
All I know is, I backed the Greens for 30–35 years and thought
I was being anti-fascist. And then one day I took a look at myself and the Green party and realized that the Greens of today were not at all like the Greens of yesteryear.
I realized that, through actual actions and policies of the Greens in power, I was co-enabling NATO (wars, military expansionism), the Saudis and other Gulf rulers (absolute monarchy, fossil fuels, weaponized extremist Sunni Islam), Israel (nuclear arms, occupation, creeping annexation), the U.S. deep state (treatment of Snowden, Assange, and other whistleblowers; NSA surveillance of everyone in Germany right up to and including Chancellor Merkel), and an economically neoliberal E.U. (globalization, corporatism, FED-style central banking, disempowerment of the regional and local).
Enough people here have told me that out of disappointment and frustration after reunification, they gave up voting entirely for many years, but now vote far left or far right, deliberately screwing around and voting “irresponsibly” to see if anything they do even registers. It’s like shaking or slamming the political vending machine when it doesn’t give you what you chose and paid for. Or like the protagonist in the movie The Truman Show, who starts acting unpredictable and out of control as an experiment, after events give him reason to suspect that reality is not what it seems.
Brilliant insight
There's a reason that The Matrix back en vogue - but of course, that's just soft-core solipsism.
Meanwhile, surprisingly little of this:
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Drive out into the desert, color outside the approved lines,
express an opinion that could be interpreted as politically incorrect or too leftish or too rightish, and suddenly your user experience deterioriates and other people’s displays start rendering you as wire-frame Hitler.
Or in the case of Bernie as viewed by Chris Matthews, wire-frame Stalin or Pol Pot.
What disturbs the hell out of me...
...is that it's (at least some) of the "wokies" who (and I can't believe I'm saying this) remind me of the Khmer Rouge with their political religion, cliocidal rampaging, bizarre obsession with controlling the arts, Procrustean anti-intellectualism, and above all their absolute Bush Doctrine mentality...but aren't THEY MSNBC's base (and if not them, then who?)???
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Yes - testing the system
to see if good friends or parents or governments exist.
About the best
comment I've seen here LL.
I ended up voting for Trump last time on sort of a
train wreck theory - that, despite the risks of a Trump
presidency and the unlikelihood of a lot of his campaign promises being fulfilled...
That it was about the only thing that might create an opening to rid ourselves of the waking nightmare of an
endless cycle of Bush/Clinton/Obama globalist Deep State enablers that were destroying the country.
And boy, has the reaction to an un-PTB-vetted candidate winning been spectacular. Revealing - as you point out - just how far removed from an authentic constitutional democratic republic we have gone (been led) astray.
"Is there a "proving PT Barnum right" constituency?"
I'm sure of it. Buttigieg looks fresh, young, smart, and now, thanks to the Iowa grab, he's got a winner's bounce. If you haven't been paying close attention and if you automatically assume all Dems are ideologically equivalent, then Pete can look sweet. This is probably a good argument for negative advertising - as well as balanced, in-depth reporting.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
aargh...
Can't listen to Buttigieg any more without this chilling deja vu of Obama all over again: PTB puppet-in-waiting elevated from obscurity to contender to inevitable.
He even *sounds* like a white version of Obama.
Yuck. Enough to put me off my feed...
Pete is Obama 2.0 without anything that Obama had
Lots of people are saying that he is the next Obama, but people who don't support him see right through his spiel. After Obama failed to deliver on anything for us I have gone back and listened to his speeches again. They were just a bunch of Rorschach's words that people made into what they wanted from them. This is exactly what Pettigrew is doing. I can see how empty his words are.
Pettigrew is just a white, Gay Obama in my eyes.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Did he really say this ?
Caitlin Johnstone quotes Pete as follows:
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Wow what does that even mean?
Rorschach's words from Pete. He says them and you decide what they mean? This is Bush fatigue all over again. People think Trump is so bad and they want someone, anyone to replace him and are just not listening to what they are not saying when they say lots of words that sound like they are saying something definitive. Sheesh.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Well here's the thing.
That sentence is so fucking ridiculous that I can't tell if it's a real quote or if she's being satirical. Link - Big Buttigieg Bloviations
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
It's like
word salad for educated and literate people. Trump and Palin plus 20 IQ points.
It's actually no uncommon among "intellectuals" who cover their lack of substance, facts, and logic, and high level of magical thinking by stringing together a bunch of ten dollar words. Those who speak or write like this are always trying to put one over with their audience.
This is not a good result for Warren
Warren and Biden were expected to get a couple delegates each. But, with each below 10%, they'll both get zero.
Only Sanders, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar will score delegates tonight, unless something changes.
Biden is toast.
Buittgieg (sp?) will get more than Bernie
Delegates, that is, like Iowa. I've said that 2016 was Bernie's year. Sadly, I'm more convinced than ever. 4:10PM WBBM announced that Butti-whatever was in the lead.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I did some research,
, into the Maltese language. Apparently, the "g" is almost silent, more like a soft "h", unless it appears at the end of a word...then it is pronounced as a "d".
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Butthead? REALLY? :-D
I've already started calling him that.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
It's an unfortunate name for a gay guy
in my opinion. I can imagine how much ribbing he took growing up. Plus it's hard to know how to pronounce it.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
oh, what a poor man, so much discrimination
but being the first gay whatever candidate sells well, doesn't it?
Mayo Pete
Expect the GOP peanut gallery to use "boy" instead of "head." They must be delighted with these results.
Really Nate?
You don't understand why everyone is focusing on #2-3? I do. To keep from focusing on how much Bernie is winning.
Is this rocket science now for him?
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yeah, it was clear that it would go like this
Bernie? oh, no big deal. Ooh...Pete! ooh...Amy!
Perception management is the goal.
In that sense, it's all about us -- what we think, what we feel.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
Steyer drops out ...
With 27% of New Hampshire precincts reporting, Steyer was only registering at 3.1%, a disappointing result that comes after he finished at 0.3% in Iowa.
While Steyer was not strong in Iowa or New Hampshire, he has polled in the double digits in Nevada and South Carolina, so his withdrawal will have serious ramifications on the next voting states. the Guardian
Oops, Guardian had it wrong: Tom Steyer
Tom Steyer just released a statement to make clear that he is definitely not dropping out of the race, despite a previous false report to the contrary:
Can Nancy be anymore tone deaf?
She first talks about McConnell's blocking election integrity and from foreign interference (LMAO) and then goes on to say how Bloomberg spending money is a positive. Well she said that after a lot of word salad and getting help from Chuck.
Umm Nancy have you been paying attention to the Iowa debacle? The upcoming debacle in Nevada? But Russia my butt.
I sure hope that guy running against her trounces her in the election. She is incoherent most of the time and she just needs to quit being a road block and retire.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Nancy, go join Hillary in the nursing home
Try not to dribble on your TV remote.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Shahid Buttar
Don't expect Pelosi to debate Buttar:
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/07/nancy-pelosi-shahid-buttar-primary-challenge
He's so articulate that few would relish such an appearance. (There are a few youtube videos of him. Very impressive)
She's not a road block
She's a dead donkey carcass blocking the road.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Chuck Todd, salivating over how close it is
"we could come out of here 8-8-8" meaning 8 delegates for Bernie, 8 for Mayo, 8 for Klob, "but it will probably be 9-8-7 and that's a tie".
it is? Well then Mayo didn't win Iowa, did he?
Are you watching Todd live?
If so thanks for taking one for us. Next time we meet beers on me.
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only because their numbers seem more current than others
I was watching the Hill but they're like 10% behind in reporting
the Hill coverage is way behind
showing Bernie with 25,000+ votes while CNN has him at 40,000+
Wow this is huge
The front runner Biden and the other front runner Warren get no delegates?
This is not surprising when democrats last centrist lost to the game show host.
Another tweet said both top winners will split the delegates equally.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Well you said he was Bye-Done - and it was!
So Bernie won right? Right?
Not according to Rachel.
You doofus twit. But earlier tonight she was rehashing Russia Russia...
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Yes, that IS how it works.
Votes don't matter, delegates do. Arguing that Bernie got more votes is like arguing that Hillary got more popular votes, just not electoral votes.
Delegates are the equivalent of electoral votes. Bernie won last time (sans cheating) this time he's losing. Super delegates will run some empty suit, maybe the boy wonder and Trump will beat the shit out of him. Maybe the (R)'s will take the House again. Nancy the zombie hasn't helped there.
Radio (probably TV too, but I avoid it) keeps harping that Bernie is nearly 80 and has a bad heart.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Warren is attacking Bernie and his supporters
Low class, Liz!
Bernie would never do that to you. Or anyone. The odds on her not supporting him just went way up. We see you, Liz. Hopefully voters in her state are seeing her too.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
From the replies:
I really think so. I don’t think she was going to ever endorse Bernie, like people are expecting. She tipped that hand in 2016 and frankly, she’s more comfortable with the right wing Dems than Bernie.
Warren’s campaign is so odd. She has crap political instincts. It’s like it hasn’t occurred to her until the last few months that she doesn’t have a lane to run in and she’s just been flailing. She tried the progressive thing but when pushed, she folded. Now she can’t go too far right or she loses the people who still think she’s a progressive. But the establishment doesn’t want her either.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I agree with you that she never planned on endorsing him
It's funny how she used to be a republican, but then decided she was a democrat after the Clintons became Reagan democrats. And that Bloomberg used to be a republican, but now he has decided he's going to be a democrat. And Trump used to be a democrat, but then he became a republican.
I'm seeing lots of people getting behind Bloomberg, but he was totally behind the republicans agendas for years or decades. He gave speeches at the republican convention, endorsed lots of republicans for congress. He endorsed some person who beat a democrat that would have given the senate to democrats. This is the ads Trump will run with if Bloomberg gets the nod.
I got dizzy following this line of thought. But this years election is really f'cked up isn't it? Actually what it shows me is that it's really what party people say they are, it's that it shows how fluid they are and they change directions to whatever they think will work best for them and not us.
This election should be called the one between the upper and lower classes. Not dem or GOP.
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crap political instincts
Nah -- she has none. She has no natural political talent and is too much of a political novice to have developed any. She's been relying in HRC retreads to guide her. Hence the attack on Bernie when she (and the others) should have focused on Buttercup (who Trump will make mincemeat of just as he did Rubio). She could also have made an excellent case against Biden and his bankruptcy and scooped up much of his soft support when he had such a thing. Suspect that she held off on that for a later date when she and Biden were supposed to be the last two standing.
I found her interesting back in 2006-7 when she began popping up in response the Biden's bankruptcy bill. When Obama passed on her for the CFPB (and milquetoast version of New Deal regulations)l, I thought she'd be a good additional voice in the Senate. However, with each passing year, I've thought less and less highly of her until now when I pretty much loathe her.
When people think of Warren what pops up first?
For me it's her talks against the banks. It's only her connection to the CFPB that gave her the progressive credentials. Other than that she has voted with democrats on just about everything. Real progressives are against war and the huge military budgets.
But it was her not getting behind Bernie during the primary that made me see through her mask.
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"In her bones" she accepted the Biden-inevitability framing
Thus was always angling for a cabinet or VP position, willing to sow dissent in his service and lacking a core of non-negotiable beliefs.
Desperation
loosens tongues and masks slip.
Her campaign didn't release any fundraising numbers for January; so, easy to conclude that they weren't good. Suspect that after IA her campaign team advised her to throw everything she had at NH. Liz, being financially conservative, wouldn't have been inclined to do that (unlke HRC), but with Klob rising, she may have.
Most recent NV poll is from January 11. (RCP averages) Biden 21%, Sanders 17.5%, Warren 11.5%, Steyer 10%.
SC (from 1/26--2/2) Biden 31%, Steyer 18,5%, Sanders 17%, Warren 9.5%.
(NV and SC must be where Steyer dropped a bunch of that $200 million he's spent.)
If IA and NH are any precedent, Joe and Liz's polls numbers are probably dropping in NV and SC.
Alternate theory:
Liz Warren is doing all this to peel off support from Bernie.
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
538 gave all those states to Bernie the other day.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
In a way I'm glad she's acting so petty...
She's showing her true colors and hopefully removing herself from consideration as a running mate.
More chance for a Sanders/Gabbard ticket (fingers crossed).
She's be a wonderful VP and then president!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
some more news
Loved it,
THANK YOU.
Lurking in the wings is Hillary, like some terrifying bat hanging by her feet in a cavern below the DNC. A bat with theropod instincts. -- Fred Reed https://tinyurl.com/vgvuhcl
He seems familiar but I can't place it.
Regardless, I really enjoyed it and subscribed to his channel.
Thanks for the share!
A
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Twitty thinks we need a centrist to win
Umm wasn't Hillary a huge centrist who lost to the person saying he was more progressive?
Good grief why hasn't he been fired yet?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Well
Bernie was running a 4% lead. Now it's looking more like a 2% lead. And shrinking.
Shitsnacks.
What it means is he's running even with Mayo wherever...
that vote is coming from. The margin is holding steady at 4,000.
Republicans voting for Buttigieg
what else could it be?
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
your sig line ... is disappointing snarky bs ... just saying/nt
It's total word salad
but I'm encountering people who don't recognize that. I think it's hilarious that Pete Buttigieg would say something so obviously indicative of derangement.
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
That algorithm needs a bit of tweaking! /nt
It's funny enough that some observers created this website
http://www.mayopete.io/
Anyway I changed it to a new one.
"The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." -- Rosa Luxemburg
Either work for me! :-) /nt
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